SHIPPING YOUR BOAT ON A SHIP
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Very Interesting to learn the process to ship a yacht , thank you for this video
Thank you for watching. Glad you found it interesting
A very true & detailed account of what actually happens & the unseen costs involved, something the shipping companies I expect are reluctant to divulge. Thank you very much for producing & sharing. Hope you have a great time in the Caribbean & I look forward to more of your future videos, safe happy sailing.
Thanks Mark. I'm in Spain and can't wait to get back to the Caribbean.. I found the shipping a major learning curve and so thought it might help others to see the warts and all
“Yippee “ was my husband’s response to text when I told him you were back on CZcams. Know what he’s watching tonight to relax after work.
Fantastic information given as always .
Best wishes from the crew of Wavedancer westerly fulmar in Ireland
I think that's a very flattering email. Thank you
Im from Auckland,City of sails, NZ. I dont have a boat, never have & i'm sure I never will yet among other interests I'm fascinated by the oceans, the marine life in it & the people that share a fair portion of their lives on & in it. Though I dont spend much time at all on the sea I still found the video interesting, informative & enjoyable, so much so that I've subscribed & look forward to watching your travels & adventures around the various parts of the world. Thank you.
Max hello,
The Sea has a fascination for almost all of us, but messing around in boats is more niche. It was always: far away places with strange sourdine name' that really made me go on voyages. So pleased as à landlubber you found the vidéo interesting and thank you for subscribing.
That is certainly substantial food for thought Michael ... definitely a three single malt scotch decision to ponder - To sail or to ship, that is the question - Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and strops of outrageous shipping companies, or to take the yacht on a journey against a sea of troubles. It's a cruel world.
Brilliant LA... Love your post!
“Why, thou deboshed fish thou, was there ever man a coward that hath drunk so much. ...
@@transmitthis Begone thou wastrel, thou wouldst leech the flavour from the most cordial of ales. It's a cruel world.
I would have gone crazy. I think I'd have gone crazy. Impressed by your patience. I'm sure this will help a lot of people.
Actually Kev I found it very stressful... Living in France and the distance from Southampton then having to get to Gatwick to fly out did not help!
Thank you for the detailed information. It was very informative about the process and the time involved. Another option besides sailing yourself and that would be to hire a skipper to deliver the sailboat .
Lynda hello,
You are right and I should have discussed that option. The problem with a delivery crew is it is an open chequebook situation (if they still exist!) The distance from Boulogne in the English Channel to the jumping off point is over 1600 miles then wait for a weather window to make the 2,500 mile passage across the Atlantic. The costs in just fuel, marian fees, upgrades to the boat, feeding crew and flying them home, as well as paying to get them to the departure point are immense!
This is before you even pay the Delivery skipper who is going to charge a daily rate of 2UK pounds per mile which would be around 8,500.
I think you would expect it to cost around 20,00 but if there was bad weather which caused delays then it could far exceed the other options.
A very useful alternative for shorter distances I think
Great to see you again. As usual a concise and thoughtful explanation of what seems an interesting solution to changing cruising grounds. Look forward to seeing some episodes from your new locale.
Thank you SV - Glad it was of some interest
Really enjoyable and detailed video again. Thanks!
I would need plenty of spare time and flexibility for this. But I guess crossing the Atlantic would require that anyway.
Glad it was helpful! Your right - the time, effort and costs of getting the boat from UK waters to the Canaries area to the Caribbean are as if not more time consuming and costly!
Michael, thanks very much for sharing your experience in such a thoughtful and comprehensive video. It’s very valuable to have your first-hand account of the whole process and will greatly help in our decision - to sail, or to ship?
Matthew a pleasure. So pleased it was useful!
This is a very useful video. A very unequal contract and they have you over a barrel. Once you have the vessels name it might be useful to use Marine Traffic just to keep an eye on it (in the absence of emails).
Norman hi,
Glad you liked the video... Yes they do indeed have and did just add serious charges when there is no choice but to pay them. Not perfect...
Actually they provided the Marine Traffic link which I did follow daily - hourly but what it does not tell you is why the ship is sitting on anchor outside a port... To be fair they did update things frequently but by the nature of shipping - things change
Great info, very detailed 🥰
Glad you liked it Joa
@@SailingGently 🤗
Alway a pleasure when I see you've posted.
Thank you Tim - glad you like the videos
I really enjoy your videos - thanks for sharing your experiences and advice 🙏
Thank you KK, really pleased you liked the video
Hi Michael, thanks for making this video and for answering my email on the same subject. you are a real Gent thank you. Happy sailing.
My Pleasure - thank you David for the kind words
What a phenomenal video!!! Thank you so much! ❤❤❤
So pleased you found it useful. I'm glad I did it sitting here in Martinique
superb information and vlog cheers micheal enjoy cant wait to see the area and sailing sir
Thank you AJW.. glad you liked it... Heading back to the Caribbean soon
This is very informative. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful
Thank you for sharing your experience. A wonderful insight. I did look into it once just to see how much it would cost. Not as straight forward as the adverts make out. Cheers
Your right John it is harder than the ads but a lot of the problem was lack of knowledge and I wish I had seen my video before I started it all... I worried about the wrong things
Thanks for sharing all that great information ! Looking forward to some posts on your adventures in the Caribbean!
Glad you found it interesting Grant. Can't wait to get back out there
Thank you Michael👍🇦🇺
Glad you liked it Peter
That's a really comprehensive and useful guide, thanks. Did you ever consider the third option, of hiring a professional skipper to take her across for you? Don't know if that might have worked out more economical, but it would probably have been more straightforward.
The boat was based in Boulogne France and from there to the Canary Islands is around 2,500 miles. From there to the Caribbean is another 2,300 miles and if you include running costs and marina fees etc plus crew payment it would have been far more expensive. Possibly less hassle but the owner is still responsible for all the costs associated with a delivery - possibly more of a open cheque book than shipping...
A great Update and overview. Not 100% sure yet that .I'll start off heading to the Caribbean next time, as I'm coming around to the idea of a fond farewell cruise to the Eastern Mediterranean, then Transit the Suez Canal Route to the Pacific and visit India for a while. uch depending of course on Global Events. Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️
Sounds like a great plan Bob... re Suez have you seen my video at czcams.com/video/x_GrXSnhawk/video.html ? Mind you I think the risk is much less these days and it is also mainly downwind sailing!
There's nothing more slippery than a yacht transport ship schedule. I have never had a good experience as captain when arranging loading or offloading yachts from these transport companies. They are always late with delays after delays, etc. It's a hurry up and wait for us at your expense type of deal.
It's usually much cheaper to hire a professional delivery captain to make the passage on her own hull. This is what I do...
I agree with all you say about them and it is certainly not a 'service' - I suspect the level of courtesy varies with company but I only have this one experience... The transatlantic starting from the English Channel is a problem. Had I been Med based I might well have just taken her myself...
Makes me wonder what the cost would have been to employ a skipper to deliver it for you? Anyway, thanks for sharing and the many great vidoe/print material you have contributed to the industry. Sail well. N.
Good question! But the boat was based in Boulogne France and from there to the Canary Islands is around 2,500 miles. From there to the Caribbean is another 2,300 miles and if you include running costs and marina fees etc plus crew payment it would have been far more expensive. Possibly less hassle but the owner is still responsible for all the costs associated with a delivery - possibly more of a open cheque book than shipping.
Thanks. Sound like a pain to me. I think buying a boat in the Caribbean might be a viable option.
Yes, I think I'm going to also just buy several boats, one for the Caribbean , one in France, the main one in Indonesia and a small Cat for Australia / New zeland
@@transmitthis Okay if you can afford to, or you buy and sell as needed.
I think it was the costs of buying and selling Bobbie that made me opt for shipping her. But I know several people who have (inexpensive) boats in both the Caribbean and at home in Europe.
Thank you.
You're welcome Mark. Glad you enjoyed it
You covered preparing the yacht for the shipment I was wondering if there was a requirement to have minimal fuel and water onboard. I'm assuming grey/black would be empty.
Did the shipping company ask you to check that the bottle screw would turn, because that could be a complete disaster if you discovered that the screw was seized as you were about to load. In a past life, I used to build jet engines and we would assemble stainless steel parts with Bostik Never Seez to prevent threads from galling (seizing) without it disassembly was a nightmare.
Div hi,
Yes on the original application form there were questions about fuel and water but not about grey/black water... they did not want full tanks but I suspect all that information was really important for big big boats and not small ones. after completing the form nobody questioned fuel/water etc again.
I got the boat a couple of days early to the marina in southampton and just decided to slacken off the backstay bottle screws and remove some of the split pins to make the operation faster if I ended up single handed... it was then I discovered the frozen bottle screw... It was OK a year or so before!!! Thank you for the tip about NeverSeeze. first time I have ever had this problem and I totally re-rigged a previous boat and never had this problem!
Thanks for a very informative video Michael. What’s the book about? Or can’t you say?
Glad you liked the video Graham - the book is an ongoing project which I have been discussing with publishers rather than via my site www.gentlesailing.com currently doing revisions which I hate!
Knowing what you know (thanks to this useful Vid) I'm not sure I'd ship
I'd instead be looking at either
hiring a crew to sail the boat for me, while I took the plane.
Or spending the 16k on an extended holiday.
I'm sure it was the right choice for your circumstances though,
Are you planing on shipping it back once your stay is over? depending on how long you are there it certainly makes it an eyebrow rasing cost.
Thanks again for the great, informative video, and happy sailing or moto-sailing or just sitting there watching the world go by. (whatever floats your boat) ;)
I'm not sure it would have been much cheaper to equip the boat and sail her myself over a period of 6-7 months from Boulogne to Canaries to Caribbean.
My intention is to keep her there 'forever' and just fly out when the mood takes me and with the glorious weather 12 months of the year it's a great option - having a place in the sun!
Thank you for sharing.
I seriously consider buying the boat in the Caribbean rather than here in Spain to avoid all this headache. I think getting a 40ft. CAT on those transport vessels are ridiculous. What do you think?
I think its a budget thing really... There are some excellent boats for sale in the Caribbean but the majority of 2nd hand ones are upwards of 50/60,000 and from 40 ft... if that's in your budget then certainly I would buy out in the Caribbean - there are stacks of Catamarans all quite big 36-40 ft minimum LOA as these are used widely in the Charter trade... Quite big bucks.
shipping a cat is no real problem except perhaps the price... Have a look at 7star who operate a lot out of the Med particularly Palma de Majorca with their semi submersible ships and Bos who have sailings out of Gib & Alicante
Very informative Michael. Did you consider having the boat sailed over?
James I am so pleased you found the video helpful. The boat was based in Boulogne France and from there to the Canary Islands is around 2,500 miles. From there to the Caribbean is another 2,300 miles and if you include running costs and marina fees etc plus crew payment it would have been far more expensive.
All in all there were plenty of changes. And cost additions. I know you priced up sailing to the Caribbean on the boat’s own bottom but would it have been cheaper to have had a professional delivery skipper do the job?
No not really Widley. The boat was based in Boulogne France and from there to the Canary Islands is around 2,500 miles. From there to the Caribbean is another 2,300 miles and if you include running costs and marina fees etc plus crew payment it would have been far more expensive.
Michael quick question , wouldnt it be cheaper to have my boat 456 hunter sailed from the Caribbean to the Mediterranean? Crew , supplies , and misc. My crew just want 100 a day each for there time supplies and return airfare . Am i missing something? Love the info thank you so much
Eric hi,
It's an option depending on how well your boat is already set up for an ocean crossing. Wind self steering gear or generator to power autopilot and nav gear/lights etc. How many crew and how long for total voyage which is dependent on weather.. cost of marina berths on the way etc etc.
I suspect paying a skipper and crew plus the above is going to be pretty expensive with the problem if the boat gets storm bound somewhere you just have to keep on paying... but certainly it's an option
@@SailingGently thank you 🙏
I think I'd have sold my boat and bought another in Antigua...
I looked at that option Nick on the recce I did before deciding to ship her. The problem is the costs of selling - Brokerage fees etc and then buying another out there, with survey and hauling costs, not to mention they tend to be more expensive and bigger than I can easily handle single handed, then bringing the boat up to scratch (because all 2nd hand boats have issues) and making her suitable for my requirements would have ended up being around the same cost. And the boat I have is in pretty good nick for her age
@@SailingGently Thanks for that, Michael, all very good and informative points. As a humble skipper of a tiny 23 footer on the south coast, I get a lot out of your videos - keep them coming! 👍
how many ships could a ship ship ship if a ship ship could ship ships?
Lots.. 20+. Depends on size of ship and size of boats. .. I guess
Love you work but not your lighting 😊. Reminds me of the old Agfa film blue bias.
I hate it too David.... Because I flew in rather than by car I didn't have any car sun screens to use as light reflectors... really sorry it's so awful!
@@SailingGently just as long as you remain well and put out asap 😛
Is it just my screen or is your face looking very blue with two black eyes? A bit ghoulish. It does distract from the great information unfortunately.
Thank you for sharing.
I seriously consider buying the boat in the Caribbean rather than here in Spain to avoid all this headache. I think getting a 40ft. CAT on those transport vessels are ridiculous. What do you think?
I think its a budget thing really... There are some excellent boats for sale in the Caribbean but the majority of 2nd hand ones are upwards of 50/60,000 and from 40 ft... if that's in your budget then certainly I would buy out in the Caribbean - there are stacks of Catamarans all quite big 36-40 ft minimum LOA as these are used widely in the Charter trade... Quite big bucks.
shipping a cat is no real problem except perhaps the price... Have a look at 7star who operate a lot out of the Med particularly Palma de Majorca with their semi submersible ships and Bos who have sailings out of Gib & Alicante
Thank you for sharing.
I seriously consider buying the boat in the Caribbean rather than here in Spain to avoid all this headache. I think getting a 40ft. CAT on those transport vessels are ridiculous. What do you think?
think its a budget thing really... There are some excellent boats for sale in the Caribbean but the majority of 2nd hand ones are upwards of 50/60,000 and from 40 ft... if that's in your budget then certainly I would buy out in the Caribbean - there are stacks of Catamarans all quite big 36-40 ft minimum LOA as these are used widely in the Charter trade... Quite big bucks.
shipping a cat is no real problem except perhaps the price... Have a look at 7star who operate a lot out of the Med particularly Palma de Majorca with their semi submersible ships and Bos who have sailings out of Gib & Alicante