Contact Patch: Hypersport Tire Test Monkey & Procedures Ep 3
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Editor, Dave Williams, is forced into service for the bulk of the road portion of our motorcycle hypersport tire mega test. Dave Moss spends12 hours a day, literally, answering rider emails when he's not out there actually tuning. So, how is this test actually being conducted?
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Not having the mental fortitude to knee-down on the road is a great thing.
A little fear has kept me well away from trouble while learning.
I just want to give a big thanks for using Metric alongside the American measurements. Loved the video!
Me too!
For viewers in the UK it's confusing when guys in the U.S. talk in gallons, as UK Imperial and U.S gallons are different volumes.........talking in litres levels things out, as it's a universal measurement.
Mr. Williams, thanks for doing the work on this series! Can't wait to see the end results. I have a set of Pirelli SC2 slicks that I've run on track and on the street (I know, I know) for a crazy long amount of time and they've held up great. I'd be interested to know how the DOT SC2 holds up compared to the Rosso.
Love how he says about not riding knee down speeds on the road. I used to when I was young and stupid. Now in my 40s and still feeling the pain of a wreck 16 years ago, I’m never going that fast on the street anymore. I ride quick, but never fast.
I'm finding the real world problems you are having with your set up and how you deal with them very useful in helping me understand how to do it myself.
Great idea for the test. Can't wait for the results.
Thank you for the recommended pressure chart here, I have fresh Q3s on mine and I feel every rock, crack, bug in the road at the dealership installed pressures. Didn't have this issue with my R6, was thinking maybe the progressive spring was at fault but going to try these pressures first.
I wish i could make my "work" life, be this... just ride every day... ride safe and keep it up!
We, the liter people, usually have it the other way around: liters per 100kms ;)
5l/100km is pretty decent.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Ah, thank you!
Very cool idea, looking forward to the results!
Excellent test program. Please continue!! (Big Thumbs-up)
This is, in two words, completely awesome! Thank you as I’ve been wait for such a in-depth review. Looking forward to the next one. 👍😎🇦🇺
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Thx much, really appreciate it. Be sure to watch Episode 1 & 2 which are already posted.
@@catalystreactionsbw Thank you Mr. Williams. I have, however you provided the exact method, the “how, behind the why” you are testing these, which is exactly what I’m after before I buy my next set(s) of tyres... I don’t recall Mr. Moss explaining this in such detail. Today, for example, in Melbourne it’s a min of 1’C, max of 13’C so with Winter, I’m in no hurry to buy new sets of rubber (as I’m not going to be spending much time at all riding. Hence why I’m even more excited about this test and the time it will take to actually do this correctly. As we all know what the advise from most sales reps is worth... Plus the combination of machine and rider is also a great benchmark. As I’m around the same age, spent 50% of my time on tracks racing and also don’t ever get my knee down on the streets. No need, nor the place. 👍😎🇦🇺
Williams replying again. Excellent, and thx for letting me know. Helps me to understand how the content is being consumed; that people know there are 2 prior episodes even tho this one might look and feel like the first. After editing into the wee hours and getting it posted just in time, I realized I should have more overtly emphasized there were 2 prior episodes.
@@catalystreactionsbw Mr. Williams, you and Mr. Moss provided the expert tuition that is lacking these days. I grew up the hard way on my progression to racing Superbikes in the Australian championship in the 90’s. When riders had to communicate what they felt the bike was doing, without the computers of today. Hence why I love the two clicks out stuff. As, basically know one really understands what the incremental changes to a bike, for the riders needs actually matters. To this day, I adjust others bikes in the same way (for free) as they are usually mates of mates... Next time you both are in Australia, I’m sure I can organise a track day at my old home race track being Phillip Island. 1.5 hours from Melbourne. Keep the great content you provide coming. 👍😎🇦🇺
@@marcusgeorge1825 Riding Philip Island should be on everyone's list. Hopefully International travel resumes soon.
Joey Dunlop never got his knee down at the TT, do people really think they're faster than him ???
Well said my friend
Exactly. Some people think that by having a knee down = a good quick rider. Not the case at all. Some just look plain stupid, especially when they are overtaken on the outside in a turn with the riders knees nowhere near the ground...
I am "too wimpy" too. I think it might be an "as you grow older" thing.... That test is brutal...
I’m not too far off your area, the roads here are terrible. Btw I’d love to get a tune from you guys!
Pop over to Button Willow raceway as street riders are welcome when I am working there. Will be there June 5th and 6th.
You should be a voice actor. I listened to this while working and I felt I was listening to a well written audio book...
Thank you for your comment. Many people have been generous with this comment before, so perhaps i should actually look into it.....
I am little iffy about messing with my suspension right now but will be off the bike several or so months due to shoulder injury. And although I can’t say I been on those roads, I know the area since I live maybe about hour away in Bakersfield.
I have the power 5s for my zx10r 2019 here in Louisiana I run 34 psi front and 30 psi rear after playing with pressure as the pace picks up iv found that's the sweet spot for this tire as for track pressure 28 psi rear and 30 psi front
Good scientific approach. The only thing I'd query is why the track riding isn't done at the start. I wouldn't want to get on track with used rubber that's done lots and lots of heat cycles on the road
New road tires are built for hundreds of heat cycle via chemical construction/materials used. Very few will go to the track with new tires for their first time - they will always be used.
You abandon riding at 12 degrees Celsius!? I'm in the UK where those sort of temperatures are the turn of the season and everyone starts getting their bikes out 😂
I'm not judging you I just wish the uk had better weather!
Awesome video thank you question Hayabusa 2020 to New York upstate area call whether riding can I use and should use wet Perelli’s for temperature and grip thank you
Thanks for the kind words. For wet weather on the street, tires with sipe patterns like Michelin PR3 and 4 provide excellent water dispersement. If you are asking about Pirelli track rain tyres, they have a very, very short life so that would not be cost effective.
@@catalystreactionsbw thanks so much for your time and support and I'm going to reach out to you in the very near future for a online suspension tuning. And hopefully you and family have a awesome happy healthy new year.
@@tommybikes717 All the best for health and happiness to you and yours also :)
You just confirmed to me that our road in italy aren't the only ones bad. Funny to get that taxes are high and the road (i'll stop here) are in bad shapes... easy to believe those taxes are usefull for someones coffee rather than people wellness.
did you guys notice anything different with the s22? Myself and another rider at svrider both installed new suspension bits and new s22 tires on our sv650s, and are both experiencing a slight bobble, almost like your driving on a very small washboard... we both had the tires mounted and balanced at a shop, but we also both ordered our tires from the same online retailer...
Have you checked the age of the tyres? Also, as far as I have understood the S22 are very sensitive to correct pressure, especially on the front. Maybe Moss & Co can confirm. (Also check out the FortNine channel video called "3 Ways Motorcycle Manufacturers Trick You")
@@nickthequick I have not checked the age, they were brand new ordered from motomummy (both myself and the other rider ordered from them), but I plan to do some setup and testing later today and will check the date code. Pressure is currently 33 front 36 rear, but I did notice in another video that recommended pressure by Dave for the s22 was 34.5 both front and rear, will be testing that out today after I double check sag setup and rebound setup (someone also suggested the rebound on the rear shock may be set to high)
@@nickthequick date codes are 4620 and 4720 so they appear to be molded the last few weeks of 2020.
@@WithChristopher how did the testing go?
Curious too......
What dave Williams lives close to me....lol I'm In Modesto CA.....you or dave moss should set up like a bike ride or something would be nice.
I'd be down for that 😂. I'm in San Mateo
13:10 I figured it was likely to be best, or greater, for best handling with the suspension. Basically as a suggested starting point/psi to begin with. No?
Another interesting composition did be battle of the michelins power 5 vs road 5,
Familiar with property opening metal gates with that metal bottom guide rail shaped like a pyramid from the side, basically one long point. Does riding over those effect the carcass?
This is gold
2:25 You're Not Wimpy. We're Older & have a lot of Responsibilities (Wife/Family/Mortage/etc.) Remember when we were younger with zero responsibilities had zero worriment of doing past crazy/stupid sh!t. Basically, we have a Lot more to lose then a kid with zip.
What do the tire pressure for the 4 brands me in regards to their application? Would Michelin be better on paper on the road due to their softness?
'm curious if the tyres, the bike and u survive the summer on that like 40 grit sandpaper roads. have fun 'n good luck :))
Great real world test , thank you
I can’t knee down on road either , and have never been to a track , guess I’m a 🐈
My 701 supermoto says it loves that road!
12:46 might be referring to ME lol. I def ask a lot. Trying to get the most comprehension of traction and optimal performance. I'm always asking random people about their thoughts on current rubber and psi. Plus the more I can learn correctly, the more be able to correctly pass on correct info to other riders.
Exactly!!!
I love that you guys do this type of real life testing - and I am still puzzled about the "Moss Pressure Principles" (MPP). I am trying to learn as much as I can from your videos.
My Ninja 1000SX came with the S22 installed from new, but when it had to get a new pair (after just 8000 km/5000 miles) my dealer/garage suggested a pair of Pirelli Angel GT2, because the bike is mostly for long distance touring. They have done around 2500 km so far and are holding up well. Do you know those tyres, and would you say they are more or less equal to any that you are currently testing?
In a couple of weeks I will have to do first 700 km highway with a fully loaded bike for touring. Then I will have two days of track riding school. And then I will do two to three weeks of curves and twisties (again with the fully loaded bike) on some of the best roads in the world (in Spain). If I were a religious man I would pray to God that the tires will get me safely all the way home.
PS: There will obviously be a lot of fiddling with the suspension settings on that trip so I hope I have retained some of what Moss has taught us ...
Angel GT2 are great sport-touring tyres. They will do well all that you planned.
At the website I can view only the 16min trailer, me and others also as I have read at the comments there! Thanks
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. This video is not a trailer. It's a full freemium video.
Oh, thanks Dave!
The S22 just half a point is actually that noticeable?
What the hell you still using Yahoo!?
6:33 OTT suit! (old people reference)
2:25 what are the odds that car would be pulling out same time as bike going by?? Wtf
Is 33/36 hot or cold pressures? Hot I assume? Applicable to light bikes like ninja 300? Are they set for mainly street riding? Or universal for road and track?
Cold for street riding. This bike has not been to the track. Light bikes can use less pressure as a general rule of thumb. track pressures need to be exact with bike, rider ability and track temperatures.
What about the new continental tires ?
We only have so many sets of wheels to do this test with. Continental have a huge following for their products and rightly so.
I view road riding as a game. Everyone is an obstacle, so in that im usually never annoyed. Pavement does annoy the F out of me. That sucks.
I know Pirelli's tyre names are a bit like a tongue twister but it's Rosso Corsa II mate... not Rosso II... We are at Rosso IVs now, recently released.
And also your tyre segmentation is off.
Q3 and Rosso Corsa II are Hypersport tyres (30% track, 70% fast-paced road riding).
Power 5 and S22 are Supersport tyres (all-round road-oriented fast-paced riding).
Since Michelin don't have something between Power 5 and Power Cup, you should compare Rosso III or IV and Dunlop Sportsmart whatever.
What about continental?
Great tyres loved by many. We only had so many sets of wheels.
@2:45 No discussion needed, just grow a pair and do it. ;)
I only go balls to the wall when cops try and get me. I wont stand for it and its akin to a missile launch. I will do what needs to be done and in those cases do i take all my experience and put it to the test. It is dangerous i will not lie, but i will admit. I do love it.
When you dialed the compression out from 1.5 to 1 you reduced the compression. Turn it in about 5 turns at least and start from there.
Huh?
He's counting turns out from fully closed. It was 1.5 turns open, now it is 1 turn open, so he made it harder, exactly as he said. This is Dave Moss' channel after all.
Dave Williams, test monkey, replying here. Perhaps we are talking about 2 different things. Dirk is correct in his reply. The compression adjuster on this bike only has a range of 2.25 turns. By going from 1.5 turns out to 1 turn out I increased compression damping; slowed the movement of the fork in its compression stroke.
@@dirkmohrmann8960 Sorry! Mine is the complete opposite. All the way out is zero and you count "clicks" in to increase compression.
@@catalystreactionsbw Sorry! Mine is the complete opposite. All the way out is zero and you count "clicks" in to increase compression.
Don't have to drag knee to be fast