2023 KTM 300XC Stator Output | Fan and Light? | Highland Cycles
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Will the 2023 KTM 300XC run a fan and a light at the same time??
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I love your channel. These are all relevant concerns I am always having!🙏🙏🙏
I'm so glad to help
I think it would be useful to measure the current at the battery with the bike running, with and without lights and fan plugged in.
I can say that at 90+ hours I have had no issues at all
I swapped that upper bolt with an Allen head bolt that has a much lower profile and it cleared perfectly. Love your videos btw thank you!
Thank you
Nice install and it charges I didn’t think it would charge enough great stuff 👍👍
You got 13v at idle. The bike needs to run longer with max draw (at idle) because the voltage will decrease as the battery charge is depleted. The best I can do is 13.2 for my max draw on the trail. Test with the optimate charger. Of the several battery levels, optimate should show your battery starting the full or top level light. From there it will further optimize the battery. I figured I'm under the max stator draw at top level of charge. If the battery is down to 3/4 or 1/2 when you plug in the charger, the battery will be constantly depleted on the bike with that much power draw. Thanks for doing this test, not knocking all your hard work, just my experience.
No, good info. I will be testing more for sure. But with the new battery (anti-gravity AG-801) the bike fires much faster and those batteries (in my experience) are more robust and tend to take a charge better. Also, I don't plan on having a fan and light on at the same time very often if ever. I can always turn the light off if I am in a really gnarly situation and after it is dark I don't plan on much hard enduro. Also, based on Moto Minded's test with a real load tester, the wattage drawn by these two units is still under what they show it produces. The light is only 20watts and the fan is 15 so that is a total of 35 (I know you could do that math too LOL) and this stator should have around 30 to play with. So that is a little more and could draw the battery eventually but again, I don't see needing them both at the same time very often or for very long. I set my fan temp at 200 to keep the sucker off most of the time. But, you are right in general, I just think this will work for my application and probably a lot of people's. All that being said, If I can get the stator re-wound, I am going to do it.
Every tusk fan we use we replace the hex bolts with button heads to clear the tank.
Yeah. I made mine a button head 🤣😂
We are looking into making our own fan kit with the Panasonic fan but better digital temp sensor and wiring.
@@truenorthmotos9965 I would definitely buy/sell that
This is what I did
@@truenorthmotos9965 any update or eta on your fan?
This is the setup I went with!
Nice. How has it been?
Phil's tusk fan controllers go bad, My second one went bad in just a couple months, And it would run the fan intermittently when the bike was off, Just happened to hear it doing so 1 day, I scrapped the idea of getting a third one, And my new fan is plugged directly into the bike ECU. It comes on at 180° and works perfectly.
I saw similar results when idle testing, but when actually using the bike I ran into issues. Idle testing with 28-30watt light (cyclops adv) on, we saw 13.1-13.2. When I used the light though in a night race, it was fine for lap 1 of 48 minutes. Took my break as another rider went out, and after he did his lap I went out for another night lap. 38-40 minutes into that lap bike was bogging and sounded like a plug was going to foul. Looked at my light power switch and it was showing weak/low battery. Turned off the bike light and went with only helmet light, and as soon as bike powered light turned off (light is wired straight to battery), bike went back to running awesome. Seems like even though it looks good at idle something is going on after long use. Also this was a faster Offroad race not a slow enduro
Yeah, I saw that. This light pulls way less so I am hoping it will be good. I will find out for sure
@@highlandcycles looking forward to real world test update👍🏻
@@joshmundy Its coming. Headed out into the snow tomorrow AM
We’ve been running this setup with the cyclops Pegasus and tusk fan without issue for 10 plus engine hours. Pegasus is rated at 28 but runs more around 20.
@@truenorthmotos9965 and the S1 is rated 20 so all should be good
Take into account how many times you're working the starter.
That's what usually smokes the battery when the bikes draw is close to charge rate.
Yep. That’s why I swapped out for the antigravity ag-801. It starts the bike so much faster which in turn works the starter less.
@@highlandcycles I think I might try this battery
Great information! I’ve got about 18 hours on my 24 300 XC and a lot of it is slow crawling through rock gardens up high in Colorado. I haven’t blown any coolant out yet that I’m aware of and I’m not sure what you would have to do to get these bikes to overheat. It’s good to know that I could run a fan if it ever turns out I need one. I’ve got a 23 250 XC on the way that I’ll be calling to get some parts for. I also need some new tires so I hope you have a recommendation for the Rocky stuff we ride around here. Thanks!
I do have recommendations for tires.
I’ll be in touch next week.
Hey Morgan, now that there is a new OEM fan kit listed in the KTM/Husky catalog, it would be great to see how it works. What's weird is that the online manual for the part only describes directly plugging into the harness for the ECU to control, yet for the XC bikes the websites state that 2 additional parts are needed to power the fan from the battery along with a kill switch.
This seems about right since I literally got my tusk fan today 😂
Never had any luck with the controlled for the Tusk fan. Gave up as they kept failing and draining the battery. Not sure if a fan can be wired to be controlled by the ECU on the '23 xc 300. Maybe I'll put it on an on/off switch.
Hey Morgan do you trust the oil injection systems on the xcw bikes? Don’t know if I should go with the xc model for the premix instead.
It seems good
Would you know how much wattage the KTM digital fans output? Should I run it with a Killswitch?
I believe it’s 30 or more
Nice one brother!
Thanks.
I've been running this Tusk fan all year. It's been great minus one issue that I can't figure out. Once in a blue moon the temp gauge will begin to increase in temp when the bike is off and stone cold, until the fan turns on for a few seconds. It's very spooky and I can't figure it out. Has this ever been a customer complaint for you?
I haven't heard that. That is super weird
we have had so many weird problems like this with the tusk fan we quit running them, not worth having to rip the wires out because the fan wont shut off.
Took mine (23 250 XC)hard enduro riding today and killed the battery about 2 hours in, trail tech thermo fan.
I hear that the trail tech draws way more than the tusk. That’s why I got the tusk. I think it’s half
Yeah I reckon even at half the draw it would have killed it, when you are proper hard enduro riding you are hitting that starter button a lot and the fan is constantly working, I think the only answer is a high output stator. Mine ran fine in the garage as well.
Great video!👍
Thank you! 👍
The temp brain or whatever failed on me after 2 months of riding here in AZ. I ended up wiring it on a switch 😅. That control unit failed it would jump all around the spectrum….
Yeah, I am worried about that. But now that I know the bike will run it I would be happy with a switch if need be.
@@highlandcycles the fan itself works awesome - cool my 450 right down here in the desert. The control/ temp control is not the best in my opinion
Great video's! Is the 2023 KTM 350 XC-F the same low output stator as the 300 XC?
Yes
Great video! Just picked up a 24 300xc is the xcw headlight a direct fit?
Not sure. It will require rubber straps for sure because the XC doesn’t have the bracket for the bolts.
Why is the fan still running after the light shuts off? If you ride hard enduro and do it few times battery will drain and leave you stranded.
I have the light on a trigger to the main electrical system so it turns off when the bike dies. The fan is triggered by the temp sensor so it runs until the temp drops. I don't think it will kill the battery
@highlandcycles got a 23 xcf with a trail tech fan. Hate how it kicks on and off even after bike is shut off.
Is there a harness with a relay so fan looses power once shutoff?
@@nicktaulbee2970 Yes. The harness I have from TrueNorth has those leads that work like that but I believe the light has to be on for them to be hot. I will check on that though.
Yep, exactly what happened to me today, lucky they bump start with a flat battery.
@@joedwyerjoe were you using the trail tech fan?
Those Tusk thermostats are cheap junk, I went through 3 of them under warranty in less than a month. Switched to a Trail Tech and no more issues!
Thank you for the video. That really helps a lot. However, does anyone happen to know what's the stator output actually is 2023/2023 XC/SX 300? (FYI, the 2023 and 2024 SX 300 and XC 300 have the same exact part numbers for the stator and rotor).
It’s very low. Ricks will rewind
Also, could you PLEASE let us know how it held up in long rides after a few weeks? My son wants to install a tusk fan(no lights, just a fan) on his 2024 SX300, but he's worried the stator would fail after a few rides. Appreciate any input.
I’ve had this on for months now. It’s working perfectly.
@@highlandcycles Awesome. Thank you.
What about a 2024 FX350 with a fan and don’t need the light activated.. and would like a switch for the fan
Would work fine.
What are the 3 wires without terminals on them behind the number plate on my 23 250xc? They look clipped off and and wrapped in the same electric tape the harness is. Looks factory, but shotty work and not sealed up well.
Not sure. I will check
@@highlandcycles Cool, Thanks man
Any update on this?
I ended up rewinding the stator. It worked great until both the fan and light were on for about an hour
For video purposes you set it to 100. But what would a normal setting would be.
I run it at 195
LI-ion batteries really need closer to 14+v to charge well. 13.1 isn’t good, and likely isn’t really putting much charge at all into a LiFePO4. In fact at 13.1v, it’s slowly discharging it.
In stock form, all it has ever shown was about 13.2-13.4. I tested the stock lithium batt and the antigravity one I have in now. Nothing running but the bike and that’s it. I thought it was low too but I’ve never had an issue with the battery and we are at about 35 hrs. ???
@@highlandcycles I’ll bet people will really have issues as the batteries age, or they start adding accessories. Stock stator is definitely weak. TPIs get 14.4 at idle.
@@WASemiHardEnduro yep. Need to get a higher out put for sure. I think the weak output is because they wanted so much over rev. And bolt crap does it have that
@@highlandcycles Just did some more research: a LiFePO4 needs a charge voltage of 13.4 - 14.6. If you see only 13.1, then you’re on borrowed time, period.
I think a lot of folks who sell parts are trying to justify their parts, but long term they might be selling their customers short on this. Intermittent use might be fine, but time will tell.
@@WASemiHardEnduro for sure. Like I said, the bike totally stock only showed just over 13. I showed that and talked about it in a video. Guess we will see. Just rode in 20 degree weather with lots of starts and stops and it was perfect. We will see. All of this is why I am keeping my 2018 carbed bike as insurance.
Does a Trail Tech Voyager use alot of power? Could I use one in conjuction with a light and fan on a 2023 TBI?
Yes it does. A guys TBI battery died with just a fan and the TT voyager in buddy mode
@@highlandcycles Do we need to just wait for a new stator to hit the market or is there a work around with a battery pack? Thanks!
@@rjthomasindyusa don’t know of anything yet
I installed that on my xr650r. Doesn’t seem to have much power to cool the bike.
It’s not a huge help but it’s does help.
What did you set the fan to come on at?
195
What fan kit did you use? Part # I cant find one that is compatible. Thanks
It’s the one that fits the 22 300XC
@@highlandcycles awesome thanks! I saw on the video that you had to get extra parts from RMC. Do I need to get extra parts as well?
Also I heard it doesn't fit with the tank. Did you have to do any
@@jmorg0011 no, my first one was a bad unit. If yours works out of the box you are good. And yeah, it doesn’t fit perfectly. You have to either grind down one bolt head or replace it with a low profile Allen head
22 fx 450 would not run street kit and fan. Found out the hard way.🤓
Why doesn't the bike come standard with a fan, like the Sherco 300 SE Factory does? Isn't the KTM claim to fame "Ready to Race?"
Good question.
This bike is built and ready to race gncc style riding which is fast enough to not need a fan. We are trying to make it do it all. Comparing a sherco factory model to a ktm standard model also isn’t fair, since a standard sherco doesn’t come with a fan just like a standard ktm. A sherco factory and a ktm erzburg both come with fans. Don’t get me wrong I owned, raced, and tested the sherco factory edition but should be comparing apples to apples.
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Do you know of anybody making a stator? I want to run an XL80.
Not yet
Yep good test try -but in real world enduro/extreme enduro riding you will be repeatedly restarting the bike and that starter draw (which is way way more than any fan and headlight) combined with the Fan and Headlight will definitely pull your your Battery slowly down to an unuseable point-the proof right there is that you only had 13.1 /13.2 on your voltmeter....as another guy mentioned thats too low to charge the lithium battery, and that was without any repeated starting which pulls out more than 80 amps per start !!
Its just not going to hold its own in real world riding scenarios -as riders have already experienced.
Hey -its an XC....they have cut back on stator output to save money and hope people dont do Enduro/Extreme stuff on XC's .....But they do !! KTM cost/corner cutting yet again.
I hear ya. And I personally won't be doing hard enduro on this bike except by accident or the occasional race. I don't plan on doing them at night ever (hoping). I am going to turn the temp down to 100 and turn the light on and go ride soon to do a real torture test and see if you are right. I won't be re starting a bunch but I will do it some to test the system. That other comment about charging the battery is a bit off. He was talking about LiFe batts and this is a Lithium Ion which does require different charging. I actually don't think they cut back on the wattage for money (maybe) but to get the crazy over rev that these bikes have. If you have a stronger stator you usually end up with stronger magnets which pull the motor down. I am really personally not concerned because I have a bike with plenty of wattage and a fan and a light and carries a chainsaw. This really is just my race bike so It doesn't bother me. I am just trying to test things for people. I have been running with the light on constantly and have had no ill effects like another guy said. It has been perfect. We will see and only time will tell. I still don't trust this bike really. That is why I have 4 carbureted bikes still. hahahah
The other cool thing (and my back up for my test) is that the bike will run without the battery so if those draw too much I can just turn them both off, bump start the bike and boogie. Again, that won't work in a hard enduro situation but I don't plan on being in that at night.
Thanks for your fast reply Morgan- Appreciate it-Yep I hear what you are saying and it wasnt a criticisim -as you are not afraid to say it how it is- and just like you said at the end of your email-you still dont trust the bike-Like you I still have my carbie KTM as well and wont be parting with it-Roll on 2024 EXC with (please) TBi and a bigger stator.!! Keep up the good reviews.
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