The Mystery of the Titanic's First Watertight Compartment!
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- In this video video we discuss why the Titanic's first watertight compartment (despite the fact that it was damaged by the iceberg), didn't flood until much later in the sinking.
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I like how he uses survivor testimony to support his claims because there is a lot of evidence in those claims and that’s what I like about his videos
He did better than James Cameron who slandered William Murdoch. Take a look at actor and picture of Murdoch. Besides he was too busy that night
@@macsteed01 I completely agree with your excellent point 👍
It was never Titanic... it was Olympic - Titanic twin ship - it had suffered damages while Titanic was being built... they simply changed their plates and sunk the damaged Olympic. It was the fist big fraud scam of the century, by JP Morgan.
John Jacob Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim and Isador Strauss. The fact that youtube has a context segment on this video, shows something fishy(pun intended) happened with the Titanic, follow the money and power.
It’s dry my ride
You’ll note how in the 1997 film, Andrews warns that five compartments were flooded, even though six were breached. A nice attention to detail.
Incorrect. He said that because they didnt realize at the time that 6 were breached. They knew about the first 5.. but the 6th one wasnt known about until later on.
I think that was maybe more because although BR5 was breached, it wasn't flooding, the coal bunker doors along with the pumps were containing it.
I think the dialogue was: “ in the fore peak, all three holds, and in boiler room six”
That’s five compartments .
Yeh, like the first reply said, they weren’t aware that 6 were breached
@@KevinGerhart1701 You know, this thing has been bugging me. I wasn't sure, cause I've seen the movie more times in Spanish than English. I had to check. In English he only says boiler room six, but in Spanish they dubbed it as "las tres primeras bodegas y las salas de calderas 6 y 5 están inundadas" (the first three holds and boiler rooms 6 and 5 are under water).
They didn't even properly translate the movie. Arg.
This has been my hypothesis for years actually. I used to toy around in the game "Sinking Simulator" and the best way to recreate the sinking of the Titanic involve not flooding the first compartment as it would help keep the bow buoyant long enough
Now you have given me an idea about what I might play again thanks
It was never Titanic... it was Olympic - Titanic twin ship - it had suffered damages while Titanic was being built... they simply changed their plates and sunk the damaged Olympic. It was the fist big fraud scam of the century, by JP Morgan.
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another BANGER be watchin this over bright side 110% of the time
I find it fascinating that, to this very day, we're still gathering new information on the most iconic shipwreck of all modern history.
Bravo segment, Sam. 🏆
It's doubtful Titanic will ever give up all her mysteries.
@@lpquagmire3621 good point, friend 🙂
@@lpquagmire3621Something dark, yet beautiful about that sentiment. Some things don’t have clear answers. Life can be fickle like that. The way she goes boys.
John Jacob Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim and Isador Strauss. The fact that youtube has a context segment on this video, shows something fishy(pun intended) happened with the Titanic.
Titanic was an incredible ship with incredible design even if she happened to sink but you can never 100% account for everything.
I had read about this quite some time ago (and actually won a point for the comment section in trivia one Sunday live stream for a question about this), and I'm glad to see Compartment One is getting the attention it deserves!
The problem with the first compartment is that its so small volumetrically (short and comes to a point at the prow) that it doesn't make much difference whether its flooded or not. The issue was the larger compartments like the 3rd hold and BR6. That's what it came down to in the end, if BR6 was intact the ship would either not have sank at all or sank much more slowly, we are talking about mere seconds, maybe even less than a second of contact with the iceberg making the difference between the ship sinking or not.
Excellent observation, friend 👍
Amazing to think that compartment one staying buoyant perhaps helped the entire ship stay buoyant long enough to launch the vast majority of life boats thus saving many lives.
I seen people say a fire earlier that day was part of the slow sinking too, because the goal was moved to the other side of the ship and that stabilises it.
I'm no engineer , but I'd imagine compartment 1 or that general area of the ship would be the strongest part given its shape and general strength.
Typically, yes. Even in Titanics era, ships was built with "Collision bulkheads" in the bows in the event of ships colliding with each other (or even piers). Also with most ships designs, the actual frames are closer together as the angle narrows at the bow (and stern depending on design and steering gear weight). So yes, the bow was in most cases, the strongest part of the ship structurally.
Actually it’s the weakest. Any part of the ships haul that starts to curve was weaker steal. The midship where all the steel was straight flat peace’s was the strongest.
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Nope. Wrong.
@@Tempusverumto bend steel it’s heated up and any bends makes it weaker a straight peace of steel is stronger then steel that’s been curved.
I noticed this happening in sinking simulator, whilst trying to sink the Titanic accurately
I thought it was just a mistake in the ships image file, but now I know otherwise
thanks Sam
What simulator is that?
@@macflodSinking Simulator on Steam, it’s 75p
I came into this video thinking “hey, that can’t be right, I read some testimony from a crewman who heard a hissing sound near the front of the ship which would indicate flooding in that area” and what do you know, that same testimony is actually why the video *is* right 😂
Another great video Sam! Big fan of your work
I just love this channel! Ive followed your channel for years and it has matured so nicely.
Sam, thank you for all your Titanic videos! You're doing tons of research every time, and this is golden. I enjoy so much your serious approach and reveal of all the mysteries of the ship's sinking. I honestly hate wrong conclusions, which still for some reason are being promoted by documentaries and famous movies, and you channel is the best to find out the truth
I love your videos Sam, keep up the amazing Titanic content and I heard that they're going down to retrieve the marconi system from the Titanic wreck next year, I'm excited that they're finally doing it.
there is never a bad video from historic travels keep making great video sam
Well said 😁
Couldn’t agree more
Excellent work as always, Sam!
Fantastic work again Sam!
I just love your channel! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
What a very informative video; especially using the testimony to support the evidence. Great work there, Sam 🙂
Awesome Video Sam hope you're well my awesome friend . love all your video Buddy .
Great video and very informative!!! Keep them coming!
Fascinating! Great evidence. Thanks for all the work you do, your content is always wonderful!
It was never Titanic... it was Olympic - Titanic twin ship - it had suffered damages while Titanic was being built... they simply changed their plates and sunk the damaged Olympic. It was the fist big fraud scam of the century, by JP Morgan.
Thanks Sam for another great video!! Keep up your brilliant work!!!
It was never Titanic... it was Olympic - Titanic twin ship - it had suffered damages while Titanic was being built... they simply changed their plates and sunk the damaged Olympic. It was the fist big fraud scam of the century, by JP Morgan.
Love your videos man! Keep them coming...
Great video, Sam 🙂 I didn't know about this happening so i learnt something new! I love your channel ❤
I started reading about Titanic back in 1968. Back in the when we read books we got in a library. Your presentation and knowledge is very good.
It was never Titanic... it was Olympic - Titanic twin ship - it had suffered damages while Titanic was being built... they simply changed their plates and sunk the damaged Olympic. It was the fist big fraud scam of the century, by JP Morgan.
Oh staaahp. Lots of people still read books and belong to libraries 😉
Very good job. Great analysis and fascinating new news as to how the Titanic sunk.
Titanic had sixteen "watertight" compartments. But they were not really watertight since they were open at the top above the waterline. The Battleship USS New Jersey is about the same size of the Titanic and it has well over 2000 watertight compartments and none of those were open anywhere.
hence why it'd take a heck of a lot to sink her ;) In my opinion, I'd like to think the best way to imagine the watertight compartments on the Titanic is to be as 'firezone boundaries'. A very detailed and exact frame of a ship from the water line to the bottom of the hull where if all watertight doors are closed it is completely isolated from the rest of the ship.
A battle ship and an ocean liner are not the same thing there built differently. A battle ship is built to withstand blasts and stay afloat to stay in battle. An ocean liner is just sailing the seas it’s not going to battle.
What do you mean by "open" at the top? Please explain for someone who doesn't know how ship building works
@@mermaidcattt the watertight bulkheads only went as high as E deck so once the water reached E deck it just spilled over the top and flooded the next area of the ship. Think of an empty ice cube try the area you fill the water would be Titanic’s water tight rooms you can literally watch an ice cube tray fill up and spill over into the next area. Do you understand what I’m trying to explain.
@@ryans413 Like we couldn't forget? You must be Tommy Ryan.
I've always been fascinated with the sinking of Titanic and I was minus 67 years & 9 months old when she sank. Thanks for these videos, I am a long time subscriber.
Great job Sam 👏🏽👍🏽 I have always wondered about the areas of the iceberg damage below the waterline of the hull. It makes complete sense that the damage in the compartment #1 wouldn't have flooded as fast like it did for in Boiler Room #6, crewman's passage, the mailroom and Cargo Hold of compartment #2 bc those steel plates were breached MUCH WORSE. Didn't the breached steel plates in Boiler Room #6 was about 45 ft long ?
Excellent observation, friend. ✌️
The damage to boiler room 6 might not have been quite THAT bad immediately after the collision, though it was still quite bad anyways. One thing that's important to remember is that for all the bow section is remarkably intact, it still slammed down quite hard when it reached the seafloor, with the section in front of the bridge sloping downwards into the sand while the rest of it lays flat on the sand.
While I don't doubt that the damage to the side plating in boiler room 6 was still quite bad, I don't know if it was actually the same hole currently found on the wreck. With how hard the bow slammed down, it's possible that the damage to that area was made worse than it was immediately after the collision.
@@andrewlucia865 well the breached steel plates below the waterline for Boiler Room #6 def had the MOST amount of water splurging in as you probably remember in the 97' JC movie that ALL the stokers, grease trimmers, just everyone was rushing through that watertight door and that one guy almost got his ankle caught. As I remember reading in Walter Lord's book that one of the crewmen at the stern section got his ankle caught in the watertight door and was stuck there for a long time till someone came and found him to raise the bulkhead door. I couldn't even imagine if I was that guy trapped under a bulkhead steel door 🤪😖
I love this channel!
Well that is most interesting. This is why I enjoy your Titanic videos so much; because you find new and interesting things to discuss that are of interest and are well researched (unlike another channel we could name).
It was never Titanic... it was Olympic - Titanic twin ship - it had suffered damages while Titanic was being built... they simply changed their plates and sunk the damaged Olympic. It was the fist big fraud scam of the century, by JP Morgan.
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@@trentonking8054 Brightside. The ones Sam sits and watches and gets frustrated with. Can't blame him.
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Hi Sam. When I thought there was nothing more I could learn about Titanic, you do a brilliant video that teaches me something new, thank you. 😉🇬🇧🇺🇦
Interesting, thank you. Never heard about this before.
Excellent explanation and video! That would kind of explain the sudden lurch downward not long before she went under.
Nice short video. Didnt know anything about this. Thanks
Thank you for your information
At first I thought the first 5 water tight compartments were breached because of a huge gash then I heard the 6 compartments flooded and now I hear the small gashes were made instead
It was never Titanic... it was Olympic - Titanic twin ship - it had suffered damages while Titanic was being built... they simply changed their plates and sunk the damaged Olympic. It was the fist big fraud scam of the century, by JP Morgan.
THERE IS ALWAYS SO MUCH MORE TO LEARN about the TiTANIC!!!!!
Titanic wasn't badly made. She fought against nature and always did her best until the end.
Bravo comment 🏆👏
Yup, she took the ocean too
many thanks for another brilliant report Sam. Bravo Mate!
Thanks, LOVE your videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another winner Sam!
The ballast tanks on a passenger vessel are really from trim rather than stability. It's cargo vessels where they are important for stability, specifically when the ship is unloaded and would sit extremely high in the water. But of course when loaded these tanks are emptied as the cargo is providing the ballast, and emptying them allows more cargo.
Fascinating!
Damn Sam! I remember you with like 11k subs or something crazy! Honestly! Your passion and investment / research has and will remain to pay off!! All love dude! Keep it up! :D
This exact question has always bothered me when I play sinking simulators, thanks for the great explanation
Sam is back again with a banger video
Most awesome vid!!!!!!!
Epic!
Yes very good video.
Great intro video. Not too long and good animation.
another AweSAM video :D
I adore the way you pronounce the word “dry” 😌🎖️🥉
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i could listen to sam talk about literally anything for hours
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Hi Sam, can you making Lusitania story about Ian Holbourn & Avis Dolphin
I always wondered if the ship would have had the same fate had the damage been further back, in the middle of the ship.
Anyway, wonderful video!
I'm no expert, but my wild ass guess leads me down one of two avenues-if the same number of compartments were breached,
1) severe flooding, but that's it. Limp home.
2) the weight of the water in the middle folds the keel and the ship breaks in two-this might happen as they steam home and more water is forced into the gash due to them moving forward.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽great video
This highlights something I've been trying to point out for years - which is that everything we know about the technical side of the sinking from movies did NOT come from Thomas Andrews. It came from Edward Wilding, one of Harland & Wolff's naval architects.
Wilding did a sterling job of explaining things in the hearing afterwards, but was still working with incomplete data: Hemming gave his evidence literally only the afternoon before Wilding was first called, so wilding had no time at all to rework his calculations based on this new evidence.
This led to the myth of the first 5 compartments filling up and overflowing into the next compartment, because with the data Wilding had, it was the best fit to explain what had happened that night.
Closer re-examination showed that, basically, by 1:30, Titanic had stopped sinking. The peak wasn't full, and compartments 2 to 5 had filled as far as they could. Compartment 6 had only flooded in the forward coal bunker - and it wasn't until the coal bunker door gave way at 1:40 (and no, nothing to do with that fire which people like to rant about - the door was not designed to be a water-tight door) that flooding could continue.
Depressingly, within 5 minutes of that moment, the ship sank the extra 18 to 24 inches required to overtop both of the bulkheads between compartments 1 & 2 AND compartments 5 & 6. Half an hour later the whole ship was gone.
Incidentally, it was Wilding who gave us the immortal phrase "Mathematical certainty" relating to Titanic's sinking.
Your videos are so good and you're sharing so many interesting facts about Titanic which I didn't know before! better than some "Facts about ..." CZcams channels e.g. Bright Side
And I've got a question which I'm curious about: Did the survivors hear the Titanic hit the ocean floor or was the implosion of the stern section the only thing that they heard?
As a 7 year old ( it was when I first started getting really into studying Titanic) why all the illustrations back then showed the compartment flooding early on with the rest of the compartments when there had been no breach in the hull in that compartment. No one ever explained it back then, and said illustrations made it see like the compartment was not watertight or it seemed as if someone left a door open. Even today few people ever talk about it, and I think this is the first video I've ever seen to discuss this topic. I mean that compartment's rear bulkhead is also the collision bulkhead so it HAD to be watertight, or at least it had to be as watertight and as strong as possible to hold up to the ship smashing into various threats to the hulls of the Olympic Class. It had to at the very least slow any leaks enough that the crew could shore it up. The ship still had to sail to a safe harbor with its bow crushed in, and that would put A LOT of stress on any bulkhead. Ships of the US Navy were well known for the strength of their bulkheads during WWII. Countless times a heavily damaged USN ship could sail at speed or close to it with huge gaping holes in the hull while Japanese and German ships had to slow considerably as their bulkheads and any shoring up would fail if they travelled to quickly. Especially the Germans. I guess the USN wasn't too keen on having its ships travelling across the Pacific backwards... Well except for that one time! 🤣🤣🤣
The KMS Bismarck ( along with the Scharnhorst Class ) are a good example of this as the bulkheads and shoring up would fail over and over when the ship violently maneuvered trying to evade the torpedoes dropped by Ark Royal's Swordfish. USN and Royal Navy ships were able to, more often than not, travel at or near top speed as well as dodge incoming torpedoes. USS South Carolina is a good example of this when she was torpedoed. I'm still wondering why other nations designed such weak bulkheads when both the USN and RN could make their bulkheads so much stronger without adding too much weight if any excess weight at all. I mean the German ships had their sterns falling off if the enemy so much as looked at said sterns.
Wow
Probably resource limitations/cost budgets. Thicker bulkheads means more metal, and that costs money!
Amazing .
Interesting bit of Titanic trivia for you: it would take 3,144 credit cards laid end to end to equal the Titanic's length.
Something I've never understood is how they said the compartments were water tight. Now, I'm not expert on the subject but I can't see how something can be considered water tight and NOT have a roof/ceiling to keep the water from spilling over. I've also wondered how long Titanic would've lasted if the compartments were truly water tight and none of it spilled over to the other compartments.
Water didnt pour over each bulkhead as much as it trickled down stairs and similar openings from the above decks. It's possible there were watertight doors for the stairs but I don't think the designers expected water to ever reach that high.
Wow! So interesting! I heard bout the hissing sound in the first compartment. But didn’t realize it was the forpic tank that was flooded. So yes, 5 compartments flooded, not six.
That was such a cute opening animation
But does this mean that relatively small breach of the sixth compartment was actually the reason the ship couldn't stay afloat?
Sadly yes.
Which makes it all the more ironic..... Biggest, most luxurious, and most technologically advanced ship during that time yet all it took was a small breach...😞😞😞
Great content, and objective evidence to back up the details. My question, was the rear deck of the Titanic called the "Poop Deck," and if so, why was it called that awkward name?
I believe that’s where the human sewage was stored.
Naval architecture describes a poop deck as the superstructure that contains the cabin's roof in the rear, or stern, of a ship. The poop deck extends from the main deck by a few feet. It includes the roof of a cabin in the aft of a ship. Technically speaking, this area is called a stern deck for sailing vessels.
The name originates from the French word for stern, la poupe
@@AnimationByDylanuhhh no it comes from the French word for "stern"
Thanks for the information on the sinking. Would love to here your input of what was said in the hearing that Titanic was stable with her pumps and the additional pumps added, but when the captain tried to shorten the distance between her and RMS Carpathia water came over the water tight compartment and flooded the pump room which then doomed her.
When the live chat stopped working, it was sad days for everyone
Sam I’ve watched most of your videos and have greatly enjoyed your insights . But being an old Navy guy, it’s clear to me that the Titanic’s “ water tight compartments” weren’t actually water tight. At least not in the sense of modern Naval vessels.
In my world, water tight compartment bulkheads terminate with the deck directly above them, and that deck requires a watertight hatch . Therefore, the term watertight compartments could not have made the ship “ unsinkable” in any sense of the term, and I’m sure the designers knew it.
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Loving the videos Sam can u do the Estonia?? Cud it of been saved would love to know but like I say it's upto you
I'll tell ya what I'm like you brother did you know atlantis did not exist I'm 99% sure of this aswell would love to know your thoughts. Tim
I'm so amazed by the Titanics design, pretty much the perfect ship, for it's time at time at least. Though you can never 100% account for everything. Even if she sank she was an incredible ship.
The hissing noise is a pretty much definitive proof of this
Fascinating that there’s still so much I haven’t learnt
ok now you got me wondering if draining or shifting the balance tanks, could have saved the ship or gave the ship a longer time afloat, do to the damage being raised out of the water and air being put in the tanks
I think @HistoricTravels should do a vid on this as I may be wrong but I think fiddling with the ballast tanks at sea especially shifting would be difficult.
I don't really see how it would *help* actually.
I could be mistanken, but since the forward ballast tank was breached, empting the other ballast tanks just raises the stern, which dips the bow deeper into the water and accelerates flooding.
That said, I'm not a SME...
Sam is it possible that there were some places in the Titanic that were still watertight and held air when she finally went down and hit bottom.
If they could have plugged the exhaust pipe, they might of prevented water from filling that tank. Maybe it would helped keep Titanic from dipping underneath the ocean?
Lol, there's no way in god's green earth you're stopping hundreds of gallons of water. That shit is STRONG.
Even if you time traveled a god damn welding setup back then, the water would still blow it open.
I never new that
The fore peak tank the same as the aft peak tank is a fresh water tank for the ships usage.
So, could the final flooding of the first compartment be responsible for the often reported “sudden lurch” the bow took after about an hour?
So if the tanks are watertight and no water could escape, do you think there will be other tanks in the titanic without sea water in them at the wreck today as water can't enter those tanks because they are watertight ?? Imagine if the tanks are not broken due to hitting of sea floor or other purpose tanks above the damaged areas
If any of the tanks still had air in them when the ship sank they imploded during the dive to the bottom.
@@HistoricTravels ok sam thanks for the info
Can you make a video about how accurate the Lego titanic is please
There’s still rumours that the first compartment was double enforced and had it hit head on it would’ve been fine
Was there a "Scotland Road" designed into the Olympic or the Britannic?
Olympic, yes.
Britannic, im not sure.
Man. Imagine if the first couple water tight compartments had bulkheads that were truly sealed. Perhaps even just number 1 could have potentially saved the ship or bought enough time for Carpathia to get there.
Since there is a 5 hour time difference between London and New York, how did/do ships crossing the Atlantic deal with that? Do they slowly change their clocks during the crossing? I'm really asking because the Titanic struck the berg at 11:40PM and sank at 2:20AM, but was that Eastern time, GMT? or something in the middle?
Eastern time is one hour behind titanic time. 11:40pm titanic time is 10:40pm eastern timr
When I was on a ship that sailed through timezones, we would get a notice slid under our cabindoor every night we passed a time zone, instructing us to change our watches by an hour (either ahead or back). I guess the clocks on the ship were then changed by the crew, so I'd imagine something similair happened on the Titanic.
Something in the middle, *approximately* 3 hours behind GMT.
If you play the "Titanic: Honor and Glory" demo, you'll see signs that say "The clock will be set backward at midnight 49 minutes." The amount was not constant, but based on the estimated amount of longitude the ship would cover that day. (Keep in mind that standard time zones were a relatively new thing, and there were countries that kept solar time instead of offset-from-GMT time.)
In modern times, ships making long voyages use simple whole-hour time adjustments.
@@danielbishop1863 Right. It was "ships time" not any standard time zone.
Because ships are so slow, we would set them forward or back in the middle of the night as we reached various time zones.
I was wondering historic Traveler, do you even try discussing 9/11 since that is a historic event? Btw, love your videos man!
I actually just made a survival story video from that day. It was about a man who was at the top of the south tower when the attacks began and he made it out alive. However when I uploaded it CZcams blocked it. So that’s why you never saw that video.
"He said thank you and headed back up to the boat deck." Little did he know at this point the rest of the ship would go down behind him very soon...
Would you please cover the Edmund Fitzgerald?
yo historic travels! Can u make a video if titanic was able to get towed to land while it was sinking?
The live chat stopped working
Hi, can you do a video on the sewol ferry tragedy?
Fun fact, how did the titanic split? When the titanic hit the iceberg, the hull splits open and continued cracking as the water floods the ship. The hull plates is what makes the titanic split when the ship hit the iceberg.
This makes me wonder why the water tight compartments ended in a open manner instead of closed? The need to move people through open hatches which couldn’t be closed unlike a military vessel with watertight hatches?
One might recall that during the sinking it was said that the ship took a sudden plunge and began sinking rapidly thereafter. I submit that the details in this video have to do with that fact. When water began to spill over into compartment 1 it would have caused the balance of the ship to nose down, and as the nose went lower the faster the water spilled over into compartment 1 meaning that once it began to flood it would have caused the ship to plunge quickly suddenly...and that sudden plunge then put the nose down more allowing more water from outside to flood in faster and faster.
Oh! _That's_ why it's called the Tank Top!