HOW TO SACK YOUR BAND MATE!
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
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Here is how to sack your band mate...
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Well, my band had to go through such a situation about 3 months ago. We kicked out our guitarist (also my best friend). Boy, did it go messy...
Just like me fucking my best mates girlfriend
How did it go?
Are you still friends? Did they take it personally?
@@samsmusichub We are still friends and he did take it personally. Took us about a year to recoup our relationship.
@@alexanderdenchev7967 I'm glad y'all were able to repair that relationship!
I'm a solo artist but my bandmates are:
-fear of failure
-doubt
-bad time management
I'm finna fire these fools.
Doubt couldn't carry a tune if he had a bucket. Ditch him.
my bandmates: I don't wanna be part of the writing process and I want you to tab down all of my parts that you've written for me and then teach me
also my bandmates: You aren't including me into the songwriting process and I don't like the parts you've written for me, and I don't want to practice, I want to "have fun
I had all the talks that were suggested in the video months ago with these dudes but they haven't changed, they were just always trying to appease me with shit like "look, I really like you and I really wanna be in this band and I will work harder I promise". That's been going on for 1.5 years. I really liked those guys too but I quit the band today.
That is when you need to have that band discussion about what you want as a band. They want to goof off and have fun; you want to be serious. Neither is wrong
That’s rough mate. It sounded like a situation where you and your boys just didn’t have the same image of what your band was supposed to be. Sounds like they wanted to be in a covers band where they played once a month and got drunk, which is fine there’s nothing wrong with that, and it is a ton of fun, but it sounded like you just wanted more. It’s hard to find guys who are that dedicated, so rather than wait for them, go without them, and if you find them along the way that’s great. But don’t wait for them to find you you’ll be waiting forever.
Man that's rough, did you end up joining a different band?
Congratulations man. That’s so tough to do.
Same thing is happening to me, and idk what to do. I'm the lead guitarist and he's the bassist, and all we do is argue over music. He is new to the band, but I just can't stand him anymore. He doesn't even focus on bass, he focuses on guitar more. He's not up to our skill level, and I was willing to work with him on that, but I'm tired of him asking for tabs, then proceeding to yell at me for "not including him". He doesn't even like the direction our band is going, and he's even said that he's only in it cause he wants to play live. I hate when arguments get messy, and I'm not sure who's side the drummer is on either. How do I go about this?
Weird to watch this after getting the boot myself for a problem that I thought was no problem at all because they kept telling me it’s alright when I expressed concerns. Well, they sacked me by mysteriously writing in our group chat that I had to give the bassist a call when he’s out of work and once I called, he basically threw that “we’re looking for another guitarist, you’re out” phrase into my face, and, best part, that I shouldn’t be sad about it. lol.
Told him “ok, that’s a shame. Good Bye” and hung up.
Felt like Dave Mustaine when I thought about how I was given no warning whatsoever.
I thought it was lame of them to handle it through a phone call.
I was mad as sh*t.
In retrospect, I’m glad I’m no longer with them, it was a blessing in disguise.
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Got a guy in my band who's been quite ignorant and rude lately (to me specifically).
He used to be our lead guitarist but through changes to band positions he's now the bassist. It's been quite hard to work with seeing as he doesn't answer texts, he's late when it's his turn to drive to practice (we carpool to the drummer's house) and he puts me down as a guitarist and as a person in general.
We'd discussed kicking him a couple months ago and decided to wait and see if things got better, he rarely showed up and now when he does it's with this narcissistic attitude towards the rest of us.
It's gotten old fast but I don't know how to give him the boot.
Our lead singer suggested waiting to see if he starts putting in effort but I doubt he will. None of us are really close with him which makes it hard to meet with him to discuss this, so we were considering telling him at practice (if he shows up) we've already recorded three songs without him because he's never around.
I know what I have to do but I know it's not gonna be easy.
Thanks for the tips!
How did it go? I'm bout to kick out a lazy bass player that's wasted months of recording time. And im notnlooking forward to it
@@kevinschindele4829 it wasn't too bad, unfortunately he was not willing to meet us in person so we had to tell him with a text, unfortunate but whatever.
He was in agreement though, said he wasn't a fan of the direction the band was going so he just kinda said ok and left. I was super nervous to tell him with a text, but thankfully it all went well.
Of course it's going to be nerve racking to kick a band member, but if they're underperforming and not willing to meet your requirements then its almost necessary.
I'm interested to hear your band's music though, when you have stuff out would you send me a link here? I'll put my band's song up too!
Good luck with the bassist!
Passive aggressive, power moves not replying and being late constantly... I've had it all before, worst one was a drummer who was late for everything, got to the point where if he wasn't out In 5 min from his house for practice,we just drive off then suddenly he would emerge waving his hands then calling like we were being ridiculous, late for rehearsals we were paying for, late for gigs, loved people waiting for him, big ego
@@TheDreamer1980 oh my word that sounds insufferable
I was sacked from a band once many years ago . It was really horrible at the time ... But not too long after that I put my own band together and it was very successful ! I learnt to move on . The funny thing is that many years after that happened . I ended up working with one of the muso’s from the band I was sacked from 😂🤣👍
I sure hope it gets better
Dave Mustaine story or what?
Can we send them this video? Or even better you should make a "you're fired" video we can all use to fire someone!
Because you don't have the balls to make that call? If you can not tell your band-mate what's wrong face to face, that band-mate is probably better off leaving anyway.
You have to use Mr McMahon's "You're Fired" video
@@steffenpanning2776 😂😂
Am I talking to Michael Scott of rock n roll?
Hahaha
Hey Damian, your videos are seriously helping at the minute. Really helpful!
Thank you so much, if you have any ideas for other videos hit me up!
A great video...depends on the maturity of everyone too! Back in the late 80s our band had a fall out, the drummer left, I was in two minds...until I found out I was going to be fired in the middle of a European tour and left to fend for myself, never gave them the opportunity to be horrible!
Best to follow your guide here before it gets to the immature stage!
Have been Sacked 2 times in different groups in my career. Still playing live and have a career :)
That's Never happened to me cause NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY WITH ME. Ha ha!
Man I wish I'd seen this video years ago. I was supposedly in a bad with a friend of mine who was a rather great guitarist and I even moved back across the country for the sole reason of doing that. However, the guy was like a wheelbarrow, where if I wasn't picking him up and pushing him, he wouldn't move forward and just dig his heels in where he was.
I kept giving him chance after chance after chance for way longer than I'm willing to admit in this comment. Yet the time I finally got him like "Is this fucking happening or what???" he hit me back with "I feel like if you actually had a job, you'd understand how I don't have time." Yes, he worked a job with regular hours and for two weeks, I'd been between jobs at the moment. Yet it's funny how he completely glossed over the fact that when I was working nine hour days, six days a week, while also going to school full time, I was STILL on his ass, like "What's up, we're still doing this, right?" and things of that nature.
That being said, it's funny how despite his statement, he had more than enough time to chase and date girls (or go on a two week trip to South America), but not enough to put toward making his dream/s come true.
Mad respect Damo! Great content as always!
So you are telling me when my bandmate has the football if I break through the o line and tackle him that would be considered a sack. NOICE.
From reading most of the responses, I would say to the person who is getting the boot, ("The Sack")...
Look, this is a business and we're doing what's best for the band! We don't want anyone to be offended because it's not a personal issue. It's a business and we need to take care of business to stay in the money!
I know this is an old comment, but...
Is it a business, really? Is it making enough money to justify treating the other musicians like they're your employees? Saying that this is a business is all well and good as long as the band is actually making money. I honestly don't think I'm going to let anyone say this to my face, if we only play in dive bars and I only make 100 dollars a month from this "business".
We had to let bass player go today . Was over playing all the songs. Makes me a bit sad but I think it’s best in the long run. Cheers vid helped
Have this with the other guitarist, he just wants to solo over everything we play, and that is not the sound im going for, i want him to actually create lead lines and chord progressions, but he doesnt bother and just wants to blues solo over the whole song even when im singing, giving him a week to actually learn what we agreed to learn like me and the rest of the band have, and if he dont get his shit together im sacking him on the spot
I do it all myself, but i have been thinking of firing me lately. I'm Just not good enough to be in My band.
I’ve just been kicked out of my band for trying to promote the band and get the single out...
They wanted to stay underground or what?
lmaooo they sound horrible bro
As a bass player myself in a pub/ party/ wedding rock/pop covers band my mantra is be reliable, know your capabilities, know your strengths and how you can contribute to the bands overall progress. Be true to the song but have room to change endings / links that benefit the set. If you have something to say don't be scared but put your case forward in a positive way. Know your shit before you criticise others. Be realistic though, your not playing Knebworth! And enjoy it!
You throw their luggage out of the bus and leave them on the side of the road...Classic Metal way to do it.
i had to get rid of one of my best friends from the band about a month ago, I absolutely hated it but it had to be done
ugh i can relate to this bro i had to cut so many people off i thought they was really apart of my band all they was really wan looking for a handout it feel like i was buying friendship it was really eating my alive so i had no choice but to cut them off:(
I got sacked .3 weeks later i got hired back minus the "leader:" that sacked me.Another time I got sacked.2 hours later rehired (I was only one showed up for rehearsal for the road trip in 2 days later)
I hate that I’ve watched this video many times to can two members. One last year and one this year. Both vocalists. 🙄
Thanks for this video Damian mate, a wise man once said “you are only as strong as your weakest link”
God is my only link.
I would agree like hear each other out not like speak out from another band mate is not kool or what other mates are doing we all have to work it out and stil be happy and that's why I practcie and go over my band materials songs.
I appreciate your videos alot!! Very advisable
I've been on both sides. It's never easy, but honestly it's best if everyone acts like an adult and does the right thing for the band, even if you're not in it.
Sacking a bandmate tn , he’s been w us for 7 years, and i just realized he’s been holding us back for years
I know a Swansea accent when I hear one!
This advice is salient for business relationships as well.
Thank you!
Well I wish I saw this video 3 months ago when I had to do just that 😂. Thanks youtube algorithm
Is there a code of conduct for a band and how fast should a singer be able to learn 14 songs lyrics
Me and my bandmates can't agree about genre. Some want to maje nirvana/ green day ish and others wanna make more Avenged Sevenfold inspired. Can you make a video about this?
What you could do is mix the too. I know it doesn't sound like it would work but you can make the music a little heavy but still having a classic feel and another thing you could do is make a song that starts out light and then slowly transitions into something heavier. There's different ways of mixing it up a little bit. Its good to have some different genres in the mix because that what makes your band original.
How many songs does your band currently have?
Yeah I was going to recommend that as well. There's no need to put the genre before the actual construction of the music. Write the music first, then decide what genre it is.
Your videos are a valuable resource. Thanks man.
Great video Damian. Thank you.
I have a dude atm, hes a great guitar player and a nice lad, but for a week we all agreed we have learned a list of songs to jam, and everyone, me, drummer, bassman, and the other guitarist have learned our parts.. come to jam yesterday and he didnt learn any of them and is more than happy enough to just solo over everything we play, i think he played about 3 chords yesterday, and whenever i come to play some lead guitar he would just start playing lead aswell and not give me a chance, hes got till the next jam to book his ideas up, learn the songs we agreed on and stay in his lane.. ill give him one chance but next weekend if he hasn't bothered to learn anything hes out man idc what the other lads say, i want this to be a serious thing.. not some bs loose jams
I have one band mate who just does take things seriously, and one who just argues all the time and can't learn songs
Been sacked before batter up
I've had to do this a few times in my life and every time it was different. One person got totally pissed and still won't talk to me. One person was pretty chill about it and we've remained friends. And I've found myself in this situation again. My guitar player has been slacking off lately. He's always late, and he just drags his feet during setup. He'll set his guitar rig up and then sit on his phone instead of help with lights or PA or something (which we provide ourselves because you have to around here.) He's also lately been getting drunk during the show and then afterwords when we tear down he's even more useless than he was during setup. He also just basically refuses to learn new songs that I ask him to, and the only way he will is if you sit with him 1 on 1 and show him note for note how to play it, but he won't practice on his own ever, even when our drummer and bassist already know the song, so all he's got to do is learn the chords/riff and we're ready to play it, he just won't do it.
It's been a steady decline in effort over the last 7 years I've been playing with him, which is also a shame that we've been together that long so it's a shame to break it off after that much time together, but he's lately gotten so complacent that I feel like he thinks he can get away with it with no consequences. He's an excellent performer and really fun to play with while we're on stage, but it's all the things outside that wear us down and I'm getting toward the end of what I'm willing to put up with.
@djjazzyjeff123 So...how are things now? Have you had a chat with him?
@@Jennasound He hasn't changed his ways at all, and I haven't said anything to him because he's planning on moving away next month anyway, so he says, so we'll see if that happens. If he does, he'll leave on his own accord which would be the best bet, but if it's anything like most things, which is he says he's going to do something and then never pulls through, then I'll have to deliver the tough news I suppose. I just really don't want to do that until we have a replacement otherwise we're just screwing ourselves because we won't be able to play shows. We could do it as a 3 piece, but I'd rather not do that unless I absolutely had to. It's sort of like once one person says "divorce" even if you decide not to get one your marriage will be forever damaged, so I'm not going to bring that up unless I have to.
All of that is a long way of saying, I'm going to keep him around until he leaves in a month or if he doesn't, I'll have to revisit that idea in a month or so lol.
@@djjazzyjeff1232 I guess you've been revisiting this idea for a hell of a long time already. The writing is on the wall, and your lazy ass guitarist realizes that, too. He must be replaced.
From what you are saying he is probably has same psychological issues.
@@bublok Well long story short, he did leave and we replaced him with a kid who is an absolute beast. He’s not the best lead guitar player, but then again neither was our previous guy, but he’s always getting better. He’s willing to learn, he does what I ask him to, he’s open, he’s fun to be around, his family is a good family, yknow what I mean you can just tell they’re genuine, good people.
My advice honestly is to try join and already established band rather than kick members. This way you know from the jump these guys are committed.
Unless your band is established and rather commuted itself this is the move ^
If I ever don't meet band expectations, I hope the manager watched this video.
Lol Keep on smashing it dude and you wont need it!
What if their just shit?
All my bandmates want to do is party. Zero professionalism.
Years ago I audtioned for a band because their vocalist just stopped showing up. Long story short, I got the spot. About a month later, he shows back up and they kick me out. Hilarious experience! Not that I was great to begin with. 😂
Help! My problem, I got guys that play in other bands, can you say conflict of interest?
i just got let go after a couple days i was practicing a lot i played bass for em i wasnt fhe right guy
Just had to sack my lead singer her attitude stunk and thought she was bigger than the band and was looking at us like her backing band….nope
We call this an Action Plan. And it works.
well of my band that i just joined i wasn't what my band they were looking for
The old version of this video is how I discovered you :D
Well I see 2 people are still mad about being kicked out of their bands due to the Dislike ratio.
Strangely enough I am in that situation with my current drummer.
It's never easy but sometimes there's no other options. You gotta do what you've gotta do.
I'm struggling with my drummer too. How did it go for you? You fired him?
Third here. The rumors about drummers feel more true by the day
how di I fire someone if I am not the band manager?
do*
Ah, always a rough situation. Thanks for the advice, Damian!
Thank you, it's always horrible but I want bands to realise how important it is to have everyone pulling together and loyalty is a 2 way thing
Damian Keyes Yeah, it's interesting too, because I feel like a lot of band members never quite grasp if their pulling a band in an opposite direction, so having discussions about it is paramount. Man... my early 20's were wasted on miscommunication, haha.
Damian, to get you personal advise - do you do some skype advise sessions? (salaried) best wishes, marco
I'm a loner,some would say a something else 😄 nobody's sacking me ,but I give myself right bollockings occasionally 🏴🇬🇧🎤🎸 I tell myself too piss off , try it,it works.😠😀
Or do as the greatest band did, get the manager to do it.
I totally disagree with calling a meeting.
Its a simple process. The band leader meets the person being let go. Public place like a coffee shop. Settle any debts. Be direct honest and compassionate.
how is that different from what Damian said?
Yeah that is called a meeting
yes... a perfect way to humiliate someone
Welcome to dumpsville.. Population - you..
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James and Lars could’ve used this advice before they canned Mustaine
Nope !!! This was 100% Clown Shoes.
468 Thanks Damian. Bet wishes.
Good video dude. Thanks
Thank you Jeet
no dislikes good job
I asked Damian for his opinion recently about the fact that I was cut from a band after a horse-riding accident.
His response was something like, Sorry for your accident but you took that risk. The show must go on.
I will be honest and say I was deeply hurt by the reply.
I’ve spoken to many many musicians about my situation and have learned that bands will cut you if you: 1. Come down with lung cancer. 2. Get rear-ended by another vehicle and wind up in the hospital. 3. Have anything happen to you, period.
To which I reply, why would I waste another minute of my time, money and energy on a group of people who could care less what happens to me?
As for Damian, I was seeking a more compassionate point of view, which would help me stay in music. I think he only confirmed what I already thought, which is that musicians are self-serving people engaged in a relationship of utility in which their only concern is their ability to “use” you like a piece of furniture.
That’s a real shame you took that message from what I said. I remember your message and I was trying to be give some support but I guess I judged that wrong which I apologise for.
I hope that musicians are compassionate enough to understand the different between laziness and a life changing situation out of your control.
I hope you keep your passion alive and keep creating. Either way I’m here to try and provide information and support.
Stay safe
Damo
@@DamianKeyes thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I really appreciate your time and your response. I need a way to stay in music despite what happened, which has been hard on me all the way around. Thank you very much.
@@VivienLouChen it’s all good, playing and writing can be cathartic and helpful when going through tough times. Make sure the music and creating keeps you going for the right reasons and hopefully over time things can get easier.
I got kicked out of a band once because I broke my arm skateboarding. I thought that was fair enough.
Yeah, well, James Brown and Buddy Rich weren't this nice.
Lol true dat