World's biggest dam removal project changing a California river
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- čas přidán 14. 02. 2024
- Taking down four dams to restore the environment means huge impact for California indigenous tribes and salmon spawning grounds on the Klamath River.
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9:17 - Lady thinks an artificial lake that becomes a toxic, sludge filled, sewer during drought is a "paradise of water".
this will destroy the salmon runs with 8ft of silt you clowns have no idea what your cheering for
@kc1957 what's worse for salmon, 8ft of sludge or a dam completely blocking the river ?
The people complaining about the loss of the view and change in life when the dams are gone...the natives complained about the same thing when the dams were built and authorities didn't care.
And now YOU don't care.
Isn't the Left ever going to realize that some people just want to be left alone, that you are the aggressors everywhere, and that the rest of us are tired of you finger-banging our lives for the endorphin rush it gives you?
Even when this proves to be a disaster, you will just claim your intentions were good and move on to the next intrusion, just like always.
Even with the dams gone, fish and those helping them have struggles ahead. I hope you all have clear minds and keep heart. I hope to come and see the river once again. Thanx!
The guy that compared the removal of these dams to ripping out a park and replacing it with a freeway is comparing apples to nuclear waste. The river is being RESTORED to its natural form, it's not a toxic freeway. Sorry you gotta hike now to the river, but, it will do you good. I say this as a person who is 55 years old and who hikes into the American river regularly.
100%
I came to comment this exact thing!! Like are you kidding me with that comparison
Still a stupid idea. Only a brain dead liberal would think that this is good.
Don't forget the guy who decided to open a store in 2022 when the decision to remove the dam was made in 2016.
No the rivers are not being restored are you clueless, before the Orange farms in the 1800s CALI WAS A COMPLETE DESERT! Jesus how are you this stupid?
The removal of the dams on the Klamath river in California and Oregon? Stand proudly upon the shoulders of the removal of the dams, and the ongoing restoration of the Elwha river in NW Washington. The Elwha has already seen huge gains in the salmon populations.... and I pray the Klamath does as well......
When was the last time the Elwha had a fishing season? I'll wait... it's been a complete disaster open your eyes.
180 miles of silt and clay 8-9 feet deep could be an issue. FYI
@@joeschmidt4991 The Elwha is open for fishing and a new fishery opened. The dam removal was not a disaster.
The Klamath is 257 miles long, and most of those miles suffer from the dams. While I understand those 100 people will have a difficult time, the Klamath is an epic basin that has cascading effects on millions of acres. I am looking forward to the long journey of healing the Klamath will triump.
5-7 million tons of clay was released killing billions of organisms
The lady calling he4self collateral damage is not living in reality. She benefited from the damage these dams inflicted and now is the victim when they are removed?
"Collateral damage"... shoes on the other foot now, huh? hows it fit?
Yea when she said that 😂.
This is the moment that made me laugh. What a sweet summer child she is.
those people didn't built the dams
@@user-mn8lz7gf6d No, they helped destroy them, much easier and a childish solution, obviously.
And BTW; the Salmon are NOT native to the Klamath.
@@johnwolf2829 how did the people living there "help destroy them"
"Break the dam! Release the river!" -- Treebeard
Patty: “Collateral Damage”
Yeah, and THEN what happened?
This is the real world, and you guys are breaking it. Seen all the pics of Deer that died trying to get a drink of water there?
@@johnwolf2829 what the heck are you talking about?
@@johnwolf2829 Yes, this is the real world, the real environment, before humans altered and almost destroyed it. We need to fix our mess.
@@johnwolf2829 What about all the salmon and other wildlife who have died and almost gone extinct due to dams?
Well you had your time with the Dam, now you get a view of a River. Enjoy.
How about you replace the money those property owners just had taken away from them!
Why? They don't own the Lake, am I wrong? At what point were they ever promised the Lake would be there forever? @@dochlldy
@@dochlldythey will eventually die and be forgotten the river will live on for the children
Water is life.
And reservoirs store water so people can live. Water=life
@@John-uo1qf good try, but you’re still missing it. That’s okay, your mindset and ignorance is the source problem we’re already overcoming. Colonizer.
So are the salmon for indigenous peoples from there ,all the way up to the top of the world!!! Not just man but many animals in the food chain. Such as seals, walrus, norwahls, orcas, ALL the bears count on precious salmon for vital nutrients to be thriving & happy. Just as they were B4 it was messed up with "human" made ideas.
150 years of chemical dumps buy mill and power companies. Shame on you all
@@kether70h Salmon are NOT native to the upper Klamath.
But yeah, I know, anything touched by the hand of man is unclean to the enviroMental cases.
So, when are ANY of you going to do something about the place where most of the world's pollution comes from; China?
Too dangerous, and too real, I guess.
I cannot wait to visit the river when it recovers
I would like to take that tour in those special canoes down that river✅🙏😁
It may be a different experience when the dams are gone. enjoy your journey - please wear a life vest.
Watching from Australia- congratulations on the restoration
You have droughts constantly so stop with your dumb comment. Australia needs dams
While California ribs its drinking water from atleast three other states. What about the water levels and th fish there?
What an utterly ridiculous analogy, building a freeway where there once was a beautiful park. How about restoring a beautiful river where there once was a man-made reservoir.
They will be able to view a beautiful river with large salmon swimming up stream to spawn.
Unbuilding the freeway.
Right ! Like what's wrong with these ppl
@@dlsmpsn yeah but they'll have to walk an extra 50 feet to get to that river (or whatever it ends up being)
Honestly if I was a property owner there and had a reservoir front property I would simply demand that my property extends all the way down to the water however far away that is.
Sure, the very same people who cheer on the demolition of hydroelectric dams are ALSO the ones demanding we go all-electric. So where is that electricity going to come from? You don't want hydro, you don't want nuclear power, and their much-ballyhooed solutions solar and wind end up polluting the environment at the tail end. What a bunch of clueless dimwits.
The loving words some of these folks have for a built environment, one that’s not at all real, is wild to think about. Dams have uses, but also lifespans, and we’ve built too many.
All about green energy until your not. Hydroelectric is the best proven way for sustainable energy
@@jimsonjohnson3761it’s not about that though. The dams are old and out of compliance it’s cheaper to tear them down then to upgrade.
"you can't have people respect you if they don't know about you."
Quote of the day.
You can't expect respect if your ansestorial occupance story isn't geologically accurate..That would be like claiming you lived on the Antarctic continent when it was a verdant tropical jungle. Haha.😂😂
@dandahermitseals5582 I looked it up...Antarctica WAS A thriving rain forest 90 million years ago. Look it up. There were no humans, but there was a lot of plants .
Certainly it is.
@@dandahermitseals5582 You belong in a bag. I respect that
@@monicaluketich6913I don't know about no humans. We found pyramids there so. Not only that,there is much that hasn't even been looked at! Who knows what was all there during the Pangea and before it split. Same goes with the Gondwanda
I love how they're trying to play it off with environmental concerns when it's really about money.
It always is
so so SOOOOO happy to see these damns being removed. supporting these types of changes in the 80s and 90s lead to a lot of hate and vitriol spewed at me constantly. to see the communities finally 'turn the corner' on this issue is really satisfying.
PEOPLE ALONG THE RIVER NEED TO STOP USING FERTILIZERS IN THEIR LAWNS.
The people up along the Klamath reservoirs will have to change paths and become world-famous Steelhead lodges now?
possible... i think its a little narrow sighted for people to be selling off their homes so soon. If they're fleeing as a result of a lake drawdown, that just suggests they have no real reason to be there.
@@mattsavage they literally state that the only reason the town exists is because of the reservoir and people want to sell their homes before their property values drop
The upper Klamath River had many lodges before politics took over.
@@jesseparry6586After all the dams are gone it will all be better as soon as we have a 50 or 100-year flood.
@@WilliamKiene-yg7rq I've lived on the Klamath River for 45 years, only witnessed 2 flood years. 1997 and 2005, it needs something like the 1964 flood.
The Elwha is a great example of how successful and profitable dam removable can be to local communities.
The Elwha recovery seems a little slow...I'm impatient, but it was set back by a landslide that blocked the river. I have to remind myself that I may not live to see the Klamath salmon and lamphrey recover in my lifetime. I'm holding out hope that we'll see improvements soon.
Elwha is located in a rainforest.
The Klamath is not. You really can't compare the two rivers and expect the same results.
A great example of how to destroy salmon and steelhead runs. Fixed it for you.
@@joeschmidt4991 BS.
@@joeschmidt4991 Empty account , no subscribers: people don't like you.
When the salmon arrive I hope there's going to be laws for the taking of salmon. If your a Native No monofilament nets, modern boats or fishing gear they have to fish for them like they did 500 years ago like their Ancestors did. I've watched the Tribal people on the Klamath stretch nets bank to bank taking salmon then loading the catch up to sell them to anyone out of their trucks on the side of the road. Not exactly subsistence take to feed the tribe.
They're allowed to fish and hunt out of season in my Canadian province and its the farthest thing from traditional methods. If you bring that up though you are accused of racism of course.
Your ignorance and pettiness are showing. Research how the tribes on the Elwah River are doing after the two dams were removed. I think you’ll see that they are working with environmentalists and ecologists to preserve the heal(ing) land and river more than the non-Natives.
Fifty years from now no one will care. Most will be happy and never really think about what the river was like for one hundred years of damming. We will pass on, the river will heal and life will continue.
In 50 years no one will care about the fish when they can’t afford their electric bill.
Same. It’s gross how they destroyed the river they apparently love so much. I grew up there and witnessed it first hand.
@@Bozbaby103at the end of the day, all humans are parasites and the earth would be far better off without us.
The are still two reservoirs/dams up river on the Klamath. Those can be used to regulate water levels during droughts and floods.
I grew up right next to the klamath river dam. Im all for a healthier river and more fish.
I would rather live nearby with a recovering river than a lake whose water gets so warm it's unhealthy with a recurring algae bloom
Now all the elk and deer are dieing in the mud trying to get to the water. Plus all fish are dead and will be for years.
@@brandonduarte6757 Bless your heart. All of the deer, elk and fish are not dying.
@@sinnasinna7060 should look at the local news. I was just watching it yesterday. It's been on multiple news outlets, plus people's personal drone footage. I live by here and have been watching it closely. Bless your ignorant heart
@@sinnasinna7060 there are literally pictures of multiple elk buried with just their antlers sticking out
I guess i better drive up there and take a look around. I kinda want a river front property not a lake front property. Might be a prime spot to retire and catch some salmon, even if i have to dig a deeper well.
This guy🤣🤣
yep
It will be state controlled property and only natives can fish for salmon.
@@bobsmith6544 do you mean only natives will be able to fish the new areas? I mean it's been awhile things could have changed but I've been up there on the mouth shoulder to shoulder with non natives catching salmon.
@@skypieper Bobsmith is clearly against dam removal, and is spewing untrue statements to support his views.
Without removing the upper 2 dams I don't see how the water quality is going to change much. Klamath Lake is an over 40 mile long stagnate algae infested swamp that isn't even safe for people to swim. This project will open up some of the river though.
Those dams are for flood control
Plus that salmon will not be about to get to there natural spawning ground. Tell Oregon fix’s there part of the river.
@@davidpayne4548One of the dams being removed is in Oregon
My thought exactly. When the algae comes back with the next drought, are they going to go after the last two dams? And then what? Who gets blamed when the river floods in the winter and drys up in the summer?
@@bigkahuna108 The algae is not the reason for dam removal
I’m so happy for the Klamath River.
Pacific Corp is the least one paying for the removal> Its being paid for the CA State Water Bond passed back about 10 years ago. Yeah, and the Tribe gets a big chunk of it too.
The project has a $450 million budget, with a $50 million contingency fund. The cost is split between taxpayers and ratepayers of utility company PacifiCorp. PacifiCorp contribution is $215 million.
Much love to the Yurok tribe and all of their efforts!
Yeah. Don't you love how they completely block the river with nets to greedily capture all the fish to sell for profit! DISGUSTING!
Patty, the tribe, fish, were collateral damage....
AND the river itself.
Nothing of value was lost
@@lavonmarshal3127 wrong , when YOU are gone nothing of value will have been lost .
smdh
No they weren't. lol
The Klamath river is not a "freeway". Copco residents should embrace it and capitalize on it. It is not an end, it is a beginning.
Some organization should buy up the Copco residents properties.
@@illegaldestroyer Nobody's stopping you from starting one.
I would love a riverfront home.
If people truly believed that this was going to be wonderful, then all the available properties would have already been purchased. the saying in real estate is location location location. Based on what I see nobody believes that this will be a desirable location- or they don't believe it enough to put their money where their mouth is. @@illegaldestroyer
Ha! You're funny.
Great. Now do it to the Pitt river
Where is that river
Don’t salmon die after spawning?
Your point being?
yes, they all do
@@nonewherelistens1906 The point is there was no point. People lose their property and way of life so the salmon get to die in a different place.
@@bobsmith6544they don’t reach their spawning grounds because the dams effects on the rivers… a lot of the natural spawning grounds and estuaries are streams and creeks that flow into the river.. there’s many other rivers, veins and offshoots of water that spread deep inland which allows ocean nutrients to be distributed inland to all the big old growth forests.. essentially that pattern is what shaped the redwoods since beginning of time plus us natives having ethical ways of harvesting the salmon that allowed majority to make it up head waters and spawn
@@bobsmith6544 Except that reproduction rates go way up when salmon arrive at their natal waters. The base of a dam is not a reproduction zone. That's why the dams are being removed Capisce?
BEAUTIFUL,CONGRADULATIONS
I grew up on this river. They fished it and polluted it for decades, and to a disgusting extent. I hope they’ve actually changed the culture and aren’t just money grabbing.
They're just money grabbing.
Who are 'they'?
lol what money are 'they' grabbing?
What money?
Will people still be allowed in the area at all when complete?
Stop saying Ku-Lamath!
This is just my opinion, but I would be willing to bet that the flute lady would be standing hand in hand with the tribe members doing her best to sound like a native American playing her flute and praising the efforts being made to restore the land and the river, as long as HER property and her life or not being affected for the better good. Very hypocritical of someone who appears to me to be so enlightened in her own mind.
Yeah, she was in elite status up there and now has a grievance. How long have the Yurok been deprived and aggrieved?
And you'd be wrong.
@@nonewherelistens1906 Never! They literally block off the whole river with nets and take All the fish to sell! THEY deprive everyone else!
Oh, of course! She obviously has the best interest of the tribe and the environment in mind now, so why bother standing shoulder to shoulder with them. My mistake!
Great work learning from our mistakes and righting the wrong.
wonder if they will ever do this on the feather river. Spent some nice times near where it flows out. Really neat area
I cannot believe how selfish that woman sounds. Imagine....indigenous people in 1918 when they built the dam in the first place. Your "view" means zero. Nothing. Congratulations Yurok Tribe!
I can't believe how ignorant you sound. The dam did nothing but help the tribe who continue to completely net off the river mouth taking All the salmon to sell for profit. Your opinion of this obviously kind hippie who just got jipped out of her retirement means zero. Less than nothing.
Exactly, they will now have beautiful view of the river. It's not like they won't have access to water.
This is a great thing for the great Creator and I'm glad that they are taking the dams out much respect for the Indian indigenous people that live around their way to keep up the fight
Yeah, keep up the fight to get paid.
A lot of food for thought. I live near the Waikato River in NZ. There are eight dams along the river. Hydroelectricity is very important in NZ because we don''t allow nuclear energy. About 80 -85% of NZ's electricity comes from renewables and about 50% comes just from hydro. Some of the major rivers, for example, the Whanganui River is not damed at all. ( BTW the Whanganui was given a unique legal personality under NZ law), I can't imagine the Waikato river without the dams on it. Each dam has its own little community - near me there's Arapuni, Whakamaru, Atiamuri, and Mangakino. The dams are the big, old dumb sort with no allowance for fish, eels , etc... The Waikato river is most closely associated with Tainui iwi (tribe). They have kaitiakitanga (stewardship) over the river and own the river bed. At the moment, I don't think there is any real debate about the economic utility of the dams. We need them and the energy they produce. Hopefully other renewable, clean energy will reduce our dependency on hydro and we can restore the river system here too.
Was there an option to keep a portion of the dam and lowering the water level of the manmade lake?
9:56 Replaced with Renewable resources, what is more renewable than hydro?
Incase you really don't know Google Wind and solar power. There are others too but those are the main ones. You're welcome!
@@slabriprock5329great! Now we can slaughter thousand of rare bird species with wind generators and as for solar power, they rarely work especially in the micro climates of Northern California not to mention what to do with the solar panels when they eventually die. Do you have any idea how much damage to the environment is done to harvest/make the raw materials for the solar panels? You’re one of the “useful idiots” that like to jump on board the latest feel good band wagon without accepting the consequences.
Cold fusion nuclear power
@GardenerEarthGuy that doesn't exist and probably won't for the rest of this century at the minimum.
@@heavydutypainting9225
Does exist and is running...
Remember when California had a power surplus? Yeah, me either….
Two quick things... PacifiCorp is based in Portland. These four dams produced less than 2% of their power portfolio, with declining production every year as the lakes inevitably fill in with silt. Their business decision to not renew was a no brainer, like you or me taking a tax credit for salvaging a 1989 Ford Taurus instead of spending $12K fixing it.
That being said I don't blame you not knowing that. Local, national, and social media are all framing this as some kind of environmental project, when it was actually a business decision the plant owner, made back in 2010 BTW.
great piece.
This isn’t unprecedented. The Elkhart dam removal and restoration in Washington shows the results of dam removal. The tribes want immediate results using farmed fish. But native fish moved in pretty quick creating stronger runs.
And also the Elwha dams in WA
Don't salmon die when they spawn?
Yes, why do you ask?
Yes, but they have to reach ideal places in the river to release their eggs or they won't survive.
Oh boy! This is going to be interesting to watch !
I'm genuinely curious, please no hate I'm seeking knowledge. When the dams are removed, wont the lakes be drained... if so what about water resources for fighting wildfires? Were they not used for that before?
You can't get that from a comment answer as there are many, many factors that make an area more fire resistant than others. This dam and river restoration are focusing on the health of the river. Treaties with the Yurok and other tribes along with the protected Salmon population come first right now. Fires are a whole other story to deal with.
@@matthew3136 Gotcha. I'm sure it must of been discussed in part of the whole picture. It's a factor that shouldn't be ignored, especially when human life can be at stake.
Fire prevention is definitely a thing. I think if needed they can still pull water from the river directly for that, along with the two lakes that are being left in place for flood control.
Fire is natural and necessary for healthy forest, your house can be rebuilt.
@@matthew3136 Yeah that's right. You don't want to address any Real questions. Let's just get that non profit and the natives paid!
This is awesomeness, restore Hetch Hetchy next!!
overly dramatic? it's not a freeway, it's a river ... it'll still be beautiful
Do Hetch Hetchy next please!!!
That’s where San Francisco almost 1 million people receive their water from
@@loomsack2873 Hetch Hetchy doesn't need to be dammed in order for water needs to be met. The valley can be restored and San Fran can still receive its water from the Sierra Nevadas
@@loomsack2873 For many miles around, the support towers for high voltage transmission lines have signs proclaiming Hetch Hetchy.
Those residents living next to the lake were drawn there by the lake and now the lake is returning back to what it once was a beautiful river, trade in your power boats for canoes.
If this was such a great idea, explain why the state of California declared two federal fishery disaster declarations for the Klamath River immediately afterward?
This river doesn’t serve as many people as it use to. The area was big into mining and logging. Also this River originates in a semi-desert. This River can run very low depending on how much rainfall per year. The low water level killed millions of Salmon fry because the water was too hot.
Weird, how all those "millions of salmon fry" were just fine for tens of thousands of years before greedy corporations dammed the river.
@@tombeno8746 They were not. Millions died in drought years. The difference is no one was fishing for them, other than a few natives.
@@Hammy1TV As long as you're making cr*p up, why not put a year on it? When did these imaginary "massive fry kills" happen?
Since the dams and logging the deep pools of the river were filled with sediment. The winter flows will scour deep pools back into the river, which fish use to live in during the summer low flows.
@@tombeno8746 Trump is your Daddy! And you might want to see a doctor about the stroke you're having. smh
Ugh, the narrator needs to know how to say Klamath...like clam... not Kalamath.
Lol. I hate that. Like when people say "Shawstuh" or "Nevaweduh".
The word KLAMATH in THIER NATUVE LANGUAGE MEANS “ stinking water” put that in your pipe and smoke it.shame shame
Shout-out Brook Thompson, so inspirational ‼️
The fairest thing to do would be to give the people who had lakefront property 50 to 100 ft of riverfront property.
You know what else severly damges fish populations? Running multiple nets across the river banks, catching and killing anything that get caught in them. That's exactly what these indigenous tribes are doing. I saw it first hand while fishing with a guide on the mouth of the Klammath. We were limited to 2 salmon, while the local tribe would net hundreds of Kings everyday to sell them amd their roe.
It’s always super telling that a person is racist when they think somehow indigenous people don’t have a right to a resource that they were exploiting before your ancestors ever got here. If you don’t like it find a different job, I’m a fishing guide to, but I would never put my needs before indigenous people for the health of the resource.
@@leafseaburg198 exactly. Those 5 fish they got for dinners really stopped everything in their path. And they just threw out the rest of the fish they didn't need, right?
I'd wager that if you never picked up a fishing pole, your life would largely be unchanged. To you fishing is an activity. A luxury even. To the people you admonish, the fish are a staple of their culture. Before the dams were created, they probably barely made a dent in the fish population. After the fish population recovers, your limit might be increased. Instead of just complaining on a youtube video, go picket the power companies and insist that they restore the dams because your leisure activity is more important than the tribe's diet and religious symbolism.
Wager what you want, but I also fish to provide fresh wild caught table fare for my family. I understand the Yurok have a right to their land, but they have to be sensible in how they exploit it, especially in a highly fragile and heavily impacted ecosystem. There is a differene between providing sustanence for yourself and loved ones, and devasting a natural resource beyond the point of no return for sheer profits. @@d.e.7467
@@d.e.7467I'm glad my ancestors 1500 years ago just went to Walmart to get our sustenance just like we do today.
I like how they have a house covered in solar panels 😂
This is great news! Do the Glen Canyon dam next!
To clarify, restoration of the riverbanks started in January in order to get a jump on invasive weeds and will continue for some time.
Save the Salmon!!
For me I'm hungry!
I can understand the people living there upset about their property value, I say to them, were you at Standing Rock? If not, they don't have much to say. The good news is this isn't ruining their land, it's restoring it. Standing Rock ruined the land. It's about time Indigenous people get something back. Change is hard, it will be ok.
How about granting lot owners extension of property to river edge? "Yes you lose the lake but you double your acreage." Not a complete reimbursement immediately but long term as the river area recovers it's beauty.
They should not come here in the first place, otherwise they should install some solar panels and haul the water from the river like people in Africa, good exercise.😂😅
@@Mrbfgray I think that might actually be the plan.
The farmers, ranchers, and wildlife of the Klamath Basin loose again. 👍🙏😎🦅🇺🇸
Loose? Like a leaky faucet?
It supported plenty of life before the dam and it will again.
The cleaness and most efficient power you can get just sad.
Rrriiiggghhhttt.
True but enough is enough
Sure thing, not even an English speaker guy. "Just sad", tell us more of the latest hydropower industry talking points.
2% of the power supply at the cost of an endangered priceless living resource as well as destruction of water quality. Yeah that’s super clean. 🙄
These dams were already past their useful life, and it didn’t make financial sense for the power company that owned them to restore them, that why they agreed to release them to the KRRC.
I am so glad to see this dam system demolished. The planet is abundant for everyone if it is treated with respect and wisdom.
8:32 comparing it to building a freeway… this guy is nuts. The two things are not even in the same universe. When the dam is gone now theyre going to have a beautiful natural river. Thats hardly comparable to a freeway. Homeowners across the country for some reason always get these crazy and militant attitudes about change. Look at any community meeting across the country where building more housing is proposed to ease the housing crisis and you see homeowners trying to block new housing at every step. Its insane.
I would like to take that tour on the Klamath.
The Indian folk did not lose their faith in the Klamath healing.
4 of 6 dams should really make a difference in flow, depth and channel.
I hope the cooler water help cools down the oceans…😮 we need this on all along the coast.🤓….😊
How much colder can it get? From San Francisco north it’s to cold to get in
You weren’t getting electricity from those dams.
With the removal of the Dams and restoration project , It would be a great time to ask the Elders to hand down to the next generation How to Build a boat .
Ya know, the Air Force has several types of jet-mounted dam removers. Just say'n ...
But the cost of using the jet-mounted dam destroyers is probably several multiples higher that the slo-mo action of engineered removal.
did they know that salmon die when they are done spawning?
No. I’m sure these people who have lived with salmon for millennia have no clue about the life cycle of salmon.
Did you know how stupid your hot take would be?
Those fish kills were near the mouth, those were fish that had not spawned.
Eggs need to laid in ideal spots in the river to ensure the young fish survive. Yes, ,they die once they spawn, but if they don't make it to the breeding pools, then the babies will not survive.
I realize the unhappiness of the people who brought homes by the lake but the real Americans have been deprived of a healthy river. Nature will bring it back to health for them.
Whatever lies make you feel better...
@@bobsmith6544 Troll. Aren't you missing Faux News or a Drumpf rally or some other nonsense?
Disaster! People had no idea this would be the outcome. Since removal of Dam suspended sediment in the water has brought the dissolved oxygen level down to zero twice since the dams were removed. Now, you see muck and mud, dead fish floating to the banks, crawdads, and we see animals trying to crawl out of the water to escape.
And not to mention of the dead fish, or the contaminated water in the wells, and the spawned eggs that came from the steelhead and salmon, that are now dead. We just lost entire year of production from those fish, along with the fish that are now dead in the river. Gotta love it feel sorry for the fisherman.
No they didn’t start taking down the damns until after salmon spawn season (August/September), they didn’t start dismantling till the end of November, perfect for allowing the eggs to hatch.
From what I understand in California in Salmon come up in October and November spawned in those months in the eggs last for at least three months before they hatch and it’s not forget to steelhead that come up behind them. They were destroyed as well.
This is a win for Native Americans. I fully support our Native people.
It’s a win for Americans.
Smith river and Klamath river are the 2 most beautiful gifts from the creator... those who protect and serve are blessed!
So how do we replace the power lost by removing the dams?
We can impound water by using green energy and pumping into a resevoir for kenetic storage of energy while also having the water for municipal uses. Today, we can have it all. Sure hope the problems of algae can be solved in the Klamath Falls area. Its a blight on a gorgeous part of Oregon.
Next up is Klamath lake where agriculture runoff kills dragonflies and in the summer there’s nothing that eats the midges, so you get Burger Pattie’s worth of dead bugs everywhere on your front door. Could be the best fishing lake in the state but instead it’s an algae bloom nursery.
Someone is triggered by a decision that was being made over 23 years ago.
Why don't they just add talapia to eat the algae?
@@bobsmith6544 Oregon doesn’t allow the release of tilapia because it’s non-native, but you can farm it in your own man-made indoor pond as long as it’s for personal use.
what is gonna replace the electricity generated by the dams
As stated in the video, the dams combined, account for 2% of PacificCorps power production portfolio. I live above the Link river dam, and get electricity from a solar farm, that Pacific Corp operates.
@@wyattgibson9194Not at night you don’t.
@@akshonclip The 2% from the dam isn't enough at any time of day, but the solar field makes over 30%
@@akshonclipApparently you've never heard of these wonderful new inventions. They're called 'batteries'.
@@hopeofdawn The Pacific Corp solar farm does not have battery storage. But nice try on the gaslighting.
The residents of Copco Lake are not unique in being “collateral damage.” People east of the Mississippi have had this happen to more than 50% of the population.
Huge difference. The TVA flooded out homes. These residents still have their homes. They're losing a silted over, smelly, algae choked, toxic lake, with no swimming allowed after July, with a few exotic warm water fish.
And your support for this is what? That would be over 100,000,000 people affected. I live east of the Mississippi and have for all of my 69 years, and I know of no one who was affected by dam removal save the few thousand that were driven out of their homes when I think 3 dams burst in Michigan. Old hydro electric dams are a menace and need to be removed. This doesn't even address the terrible ecological issues associated with them.
River view versus lake view; however, doesn’t really deprive the home owner of basic shelter or potential profit especially if fish run recovers and people want access to river to fish
The lady protests about her inconvenience... And carefully forgets about the pain and destruction caused to the first Nations and to the environment that affects everybody else.
Funny hearing the narrator state they don’t have fish ladders while I can clearly see one in video. My favorite was listening to the woman speak about the fish like they where her ancestors, apparently ancestors they would sell let’s be honest that’s what really happens here. sure they live off some of it they live more off of what they sell whether it be on the side of the road , a local restaurants or taken down to the big city to sell for top dollar to high end restaurants. This is about money if they truly cared about the fish populations they wouldn’t line the river with gill nets every time the fish start running up the Klamath, I hear no talk about the impact that has on the numbers, one guy running a net can catch and keep more fish than a hundred guys that fish under Californias fish and game laws could ever do but yet it’s not discussed they just blame a dam. You can’t remove a large piece of infrastructure that communities are built around and not expect a huge economical impact this isn’t just the people living on the side of a lake, The people in the Klamath basin produce a lot of food for this country that will be greatly affected by the idea that removing the dams will bring all the fish back and never have water issues again. These will be the same people asking for tax payer dollars again and again to bring the fish back after the dam removal idea fails. I live near these communities I’ve fished the Klamath numerous times I’ve seen this first hand. This video only showed a tiny fraction of who and what this will negatively impact. Just enough to those who have no clue continue to believe the narrative these individuals are pushing.
This nonstop text is nearly impossible to read, so to address just the first point: some of the 4 lower dams did have small fish ladders. None of them were adequate to pass large anadromous fish like salmon. No salmon has made it past those dams in over 100 years. The owners had the option of upgrading the fish ladders on all 4 dams, and they chose to remove the dams instead. This was less expensive, for them.
Funny seeing you write an absurd wall of text that is nothing but FUD and hydropower lobby talking points.
I figure since the tribes are getting their lifeblood salmon back that means there is no more need for the casinos?
They cant sell the fish, legally.
Brook, Mark, You two are my heros. Patty, it's not about you and your view. It's so much greater than your small box of thinking.
Curious. Because someone is of the minority, they have no rights? Wasn't that the justification of the europeans? I find it very telling when sides change, but values of the majority at the time do not.
Patty will appreciate your kind words.
@@dentalcare1 Patty ain't going to be here long enough to matter.
Does this mean we can't tear down casinos, too?
doesn't that lady understand that true beauty is natural and not man made? its time we understand that most of our landscape is managed by humans and when possible we need to return it back to nature.
So her ancestors were rotting and dying?
Yes, at the hands of your illegal immigrant ancestors!
@@johncordova8304 settlers not immigrants😆
@@brettcaporale8031, same difference!
Maybe you'd find learning something about indigenous culture enlightening.
@@dennispack4119 nah
Why did they not just make salmon ladders
Too expensive to build. The dams don’t make enough money to justify maintenance, repairs and overhaul, to include the ladders.
@@Bozbaby103 Well there was clearly a salmon ladder at one of the dams.
less expensive then taking out the dams. If Pacificorp could have figured out a way to get the taxpayers and rate payers to pay for the upgrades they would have gone that route. The choice was "you pay for the upgrades, or someone else pays to get them removed" pretty easy choice for pacificorp. I think new updated dams that balanced salmon and energy/humans would have been the best move
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@@schsch2390yeas, they needed to build a new one that actually worked.
I loved the lakes and the incredible fishing and it will be sad to see them go. However, one thing is true and that is the algae blooms. They were really bad!
Happy to see these dams removed and the river going back the way it was. I understand people along the unnatural waterway and reservoirs are unhappy, but the health of our declining environments and fish species are more important for the future. Think of it this way, you've destroyed one group of people's way of life that has been that way for thousands of years, for your own way of life stretching maybe 60 years.
Why can't they make electricity from a flowing river? Without disturbing the fish?
They can. It's called pumped hydro. Flowing water is unpredictable as it should be.
Guess you've never heard of wind and solar ... and conservation?
@@dennispack4119 Who are you talking to?
Wow, what an awesome project ❤
It amazes me how people who befit from the destruction of a people’s life and culture and now see what it feels like but is complaining. the tables have turned. I wish this wasn’t so typical in the us when it turns citizens against citizens while companies and politician just go with business as usual.
I was there....before the dam was built....old Indian feller did not want to sell out
Now do a story on how the Yurok net off the river and stop the flow of salmon as they call “fishing “ and go over their self regulated quota every year leading to the biggest loss of salmon on the Klamath and trinity river system
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Hmm…and perhaps they won’t have to resort to it once the river heals and the fish return to its full strength pre-industrialization.
Don't worry. More salmon for everyone. AND, I can't wait to spend my money visiting and rafting and fishing this beautiful restored river.
JACKPOT!!!
@B ozbaby103 'Healing'(sic) and 'restoration' and before 'pre-European settlement' are woke buzzwords by the faith healers of the Greta Tribe. Of course, actual land'smen and women know the upland cannot 'heal' then the river cannot be 'restored' and fish cannot return 'to pre-European settlement' because the gravel spawning bed is 6 feet deep in hillside muss that this winter are turning the river chocolate. So the salmon will never 'return' because the FNs will trap them all before they can spawn. It's a private fish farm now, paid for by taxpayers and preyed over by Green mullahs.