not too sure about that one but i do plan to give a good honest opinion on both bikes. unfortunately both units are good and both carry a couple of weaknesses so its a hard call forza 350 review to follow
Xmax300 owner here. I went with the Xmax because at the time of purchase the Forza had the 300 engine which was down on power against Yam. For me though the Forza scores on one or two things over the Yam, body mounted mirrors,power screen and I agree about your comment about the position of the indicators on the Yam. Both scooters have their plusses and minuses and either scoot will do the same job. In my opinion the one major downside of both scoots is the open rear wheel, when new I fitted a rear hugger on mine it saves the engine getting covered in grud. The Forza and the Xmax are the same price here in France. Two years on I was thinking my Xmax will be with me for a few years, it's my first scooter after riding motorcycles for over 50 years. There is now a fly in the ointment, Honda have released the ADV 350, it's available mid December, my bank balance may suffer in the new year.
thanks for the comment and all good points for a potential buyer to consider. i will have to check out this rear hugger which covers the engine bay as i've never heard of one. saying that though this is really my first adventure into scooter riding...lol yeah i have viewed clips on the release of the new adv 350 and in my next clip i am out riding the forza 350 unfortunately no word yet this way if the adv 350 is coming to Aust or not.
Glad I discovered you about a week ago Warro. I’m only a couple of hours away from you, in Dubbo. My last ride was a Majesty 400, which I threw down the road at a bit over 80kph when a driver decided not to give way and turned into his work driveway. (About 6 years ago.) I was wrapped not to be injured beside a sore hip and bursitis in the shoulder ( had broken my back only 18 months earlier in a paragliding crash and was impressed that no further damage in that department). Been looking at various types of rides, mostly on the smaller side of things and you do an impressive job of showing off quite a few and even ones I wouldn’t have considered. I expect to be buying later in the year and you have been giving plenty of food for thought. Thank you.👍
yeah i sold this xmax300 and bought the 2022 with the blue wheels. about 6 weeks after i bought it they announce the 2023 with digital dash and gps as standard. thats now my new ride...lol really like those xmaxes
Great review Warro , Thanks . Don't buy a Hardly Ablesom , they don't do anything a Motorcycle should do , and that XMAX SCOOTER would be twice the bike , and more reliable , Take care .
yeah i have thought HD a couple of times but i've never gone through. plus i think they are a bit on the heavy side for me...lol working on the forza 350 review and later today i plan to take out the GROM...lol what a fun little bike that is all the best!
Good review Warro. Where you are, the 300-400cc range make more sense than the 150-160. On inner city roads where the cities were designed for horses and carts, nothing beats the smaller machines if you want to dart in and out of traffic - in countries like Australia where you can filter, that is.
true! when i had the pcx160 it was a nifty little machine to ride but failed on the hilly roads around were i live. its a hard call on bikes/scooters and like you said it all depends upon where you ride it. glad to hear you enjoyed the review too all the best!
Your roads are the same as the UK with pot holes everywhere.Pain in arse trying to find the best bits of tarmac all the time. Looking forward to the next episode.
it's not that much better out on the open road either. too much rain and as fast as they fill them in -there washed out again. wettest year on record for my area in central NSW Aust.
Good honest review Warro, thank you, nice job. Seriously thinking about an Xmax for Xmas (did you see what I did there?). Looking forward very much to your thoughts on the Xmax when you get it out on the open road. I now no longer need to do 200kph, so if the Xmas can cruise happily all day at 120-130, then I really could be tempted from my BMW 1200.
Thanks for that ride review, Warro. The Yamaha's engine and exhaust noise does seem quiet and kind of calming as you mention. Nice for riding around town and for anyone who decides to ride without wearing earplugs. Do both scooters have a variable-ratio belt drive transmission? When you have an opportunity, perhaps you can comment on if there is any difference between the function of the two scooter transmissions. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yamaha was optimized for acceleration and the Honda's transmission was more designed for higher speeds and fuel mileage. I have found that riding my Zero with its direct-drive design is very relaxing and helps to keep your mind on what is going on around you. Life without a gearbox and clutch is something to consider. lol I am looking forward to a similar ride review of the Honda around the same route.
yeah i will check out what your asking tranny wise on the test ride of the honda. i think its a pretty calming bike to ride. next trip out on the town run will be on the forza 350 and the tests will involve both bikes covering the exact same route. the only real way i think one can get a good honest review on both bikes
back in my history section you'll see ive now upgraded to the 2023 model xmax 300. might be worth it for you to take a look. new model has re-designed plastics/digital dash and gps
Good review of the scoot, Warro. Thanks. I am curious about the turning radius. How easy is a u-turn on a dead end street for example? It seems like a great commuter.😊
very easy to do a uturn on these as its very well balanced. even to move around around or amongst my other bikes...too easy compared to the 500cc single which weights say an extra 15kgs and more of a handful. i put it down to the weight being very low on the scoot and to the rear. when the forza fell over from the side stand incident i had no trouble lifting it back up . i would have struggled with the 500cc bike and its. only 10 kgs heavier
So you are an Orange boy uh? ........ I used to own the Kymco version (X town) and it was the BEST touring bike ive ever had. Nice vid and many thanks.
Hi Ruahines ! The 2022 Yamaha XMax scooter hasn’t arrived in NZ as of yet. I shall trade in when it comes. Personally I would prefer if Yamaha did an 400cc model. Do you have a scooter ?
@@johnmartin7158 No I don't own a scooter but I have a loaner bike in shed which I used to get back into riding after a long hiatus away from bikes.It is a 1990 MZ 250 2 stroke motorcycle & is a East German bike, cold weather bike,stubby kickstart on left hand side,use right foot to kick over while on stand.Cruises at 110 but a pig compared to R.E Interceptor & haven't riden since buying Interceptor.lol.
@@johnmartin7158 Have you heard of them before have you? They even raced them decades ago with heritage going back to 1920 which is stamped on petrol tank lid.Was second longest continuous motorcycle company untill it's closure in early 2000's but by then had moved to Turkey in 1991.Cold weather bike & favored by Soviet Army's in Eastern block & work force for commuting to work.They have a cult following in Europe & can get most parts for them too but getting them to NZ is difficult cause they won't send here also popular in England but unheard of here.I might push it out of shed for video but battery flat but still be good video,only done 10,000km.
Which one you would prefer for daily use as I’m a parcel delivery guy so I want your honest opinion I drive at least 150 miles a days so tell me which is will be good for me
@@Ak-it4mr do you honestly think i can give you the answer when i am only up to part 6. this is what splits up. you want the answer but i had to pay $19000 to buy two bikes which in return i got very poor view results for the tubers tell ya what-give me a call on my hotmail and i will sell you eiter bike at a good price and when you show up to buy give you my personal thoughts on which one is best
@@darkelf1000 was a bit of a wild ride off road for a few seconds. prety happy i was running abs as it did the stop pretty much drama free. although saying that it felt pretty fast once i got off the main sealed section of road...lol
Only negative with mine is main beam is useless on unlit Road. Mates is same. Dipped is good though🤦♂️ apart from that it is amazing bike. Mpg is amazing. 105 to 115 per imp gallon.
Hey there. Do you have anything to compare the lights to? Do they appear to be the same as modern car headlights? My Svartpilen 401 had an amazing dipped beam, on the same level as any modern car. High beams were good too but then the dipped was dimmed, due to heat reasons I guess.
I’m looking at (either) 1986 Honda CB750 metallic sky blue. Lol. OR 2001 Honda CB750 American Special Edition maroon both under 20k miles and currently ridden every now and then by owner(s). Probably try and buy March as February is -3.8 Celsius to 8 Celsius. Some few days peak 16.6 C. I don’t mind 8+C or higher. I stay 66km to 88kph when cold. At 97kph and around 4.5C. Your wind chill drops temperature by average -8C. If colder, it drops lower at same speed. One winter I was caught at office until 3am (coldest part of night). OFFICIAL temp was -2.2C. With windchill my thermometer showed -13.8C. I froze in riding position. I stopped 2miles from home at Breakfast Diner and walked in bent back and legs…..lol. I got free coffee and huge meal. Waitress rubbed my numb legs…hahaha. I stayed until 7am, drove home. (Summer coat) I froze and was very sick for a week. Now I take full winter gear everywhere DECEMBER-mid March.
good story! i was out on the forza 350 today and ran into rain on the way back 50 klm from home. i was wearing my air bag jacket during the testing and it got wet and after that felt a lot heavier than it really is- and its heavy....lol so 2nd time ive been caught in the past 9 years. first time was 9 years ago/...lol
@@ridewithwarro Warro did you look at the BSA?de tuned to 45hp & 55Nm does a 105mph(sea level probably)looks like a better finish on engine casings,brembo brakes.Has a whopper water radiator bigger than a Triumph one which ruins look from front on but side on it's f🤬n awesome.I'd say Interceptor be smoother & more refined 650 is a big single would be good to have one of each.Your thoughts Warro
Gay mate the drivers around you area must be related to the where l live the buggers are always pulling out or cutting off or not indicating, you really need your Witt's she out riding, onset how a little 300cc will last it's pulling some weight, it must be high revs, time will tell. Cheers.
next clip out will be the forza 350 around the same loop-should be worth a view. no doubt when your riding a bike/scooter trust no-one on the roads...lol
Nice to have someone with your experience doing a test ride on these.
not too sure about that one but i do plan to give a good honest opinion on both bikes.
unfortunately both units are good and both carry a couple of weaknesses so its a hard call
forza 350 review to follow
Xmax300 owner here. I went with the Xmax because at the time of purchase the Forza had the 300 engine which was down on power against Yam. For me though the Forza scores on one or two things over the Yam, body mounted mirrors,power screen and I agree about your comment about the position of the indicators on the Yam. Both scooters have their plusses and minuses and either scoot will do the same job. In my opinion the one major downside of both scoots is the open rear wheel, when new I fitted a rear hugger on mine it saves the engine getting covered in grud. The Forza and the Xmax are the same price here in France. Two years on I was thinking my Xmax will be with me for a few years, it's my first scooter after riding motorcycles for over 50 years. There is now a fly in the ointment, Honda have released the ADV 350, it's available mid December, my bank balance may suffer in the new year.
thanks for the comment and all good points for a potential buyer to consider. i will have to check out this rear hugger which covers the engine bay as i've never heard of one. saying that though this is really my first adventure into scooter riding...lol
yeah i have viewed clips on the release of the new adv 350 and in my next clip i am out riding the forza 350
unfortunately no word yet this way if the adv 350 is coming to Aust or not.
Glad I discovered you about a week ago Warro. I’m only a couple of hours away from you, in Dubbo. My last ride was a Majesty 400, which I threw down the road at a bit over 80kph when a driver decided not to give way and turned into his work driveway. (About 6 years ago.) I was wrapped not to be injured beside a sore hip and bursitis in the shoulder ( had broken my back only 18 months earlier in a paragliding crash and was impressed that no further damage in that department). Been looking at various types of rides, mostly on the smaller side of things and you do an impressive job of showing off quite a few and even ones I wouldn’t have considered. I expect to be buying later in the year and you have been giving plenty of food for thought. Thank you.👍
yeah i sold this xmax300 and bought the 2022 with the blue wheels. about 6 weeks after i bought it they announce the 2023 with digital dash and gps as standard.
thats now my new ride...lol really like those xmaxes
Another great video, looking forwards to your next instalments (including the headlight comparison), best wishes.
all good there. plan to run it with the windscreen testing
Very good in town review. Keep them coming 👍
thanks and all good there -i'd say i am less than halfway through it.
all the best.
Great review Warro , Thanks . Don't buy a Hardly Ablesom , they don't do anything a Motorcycle should do , and that XMAX SCOOTER would be twice the bike , and more reliable ,
Take care .
yeah i have thought HD a couple of times but i've never gone through. plus i think they are a bit on the heavy side for me...lol
working on the forza 350 review and later today i plan to take out the GROM...lol
what a fun little bike that is
all the best!
Great ride along and bike commentary 👍
happy to hear you enjoyed it
Good review Warro. Where you are, the 300-400cc range make more sense than the 150-160.
On inner city roads where the cities were designed for horses and carts, nothing beats the smaller machines if you want to dart in and out of traffic - in countries like Australia where you can filter, that is.
true! when i had the pcx160 it was a nifty little machine to ride but failed on the hilly roads around were i live. its a hard call on bikes/scooters and like you said it all depends upon where you ride it.
glad to hear you enjoyed the review too
all the best!
Your roads are the same as the UK with pot holes everywhere.Pain in arse trying to find the best bits of tarmac all the time.
Looking forward to the next episode.
it's not that much better out on the open road either. too much rain and as fast as they fill them in -there washed out again.
wettest year on record for my area in central NSW Aust.
Cheers Warro... Great review and lovely toy... all the best and enjoy
thanks -czcams.com/video/FZO7w9__hGo/video.html
Good honest review Warro, thank you, nice job. Seriously thinking about an Xmax for Xmas (did you see what I did there?). Looking forward very much to your thoughts on the Xmax when you get it out on the open road. I now no longer need to do 200kph, so if the Xmas can cruise happily all day at 120-130, then I really could be tempted from my BMW 1200.
thanks-all good there. nice scooter but a big drop from a 1200cc unit but power wise aside its a pretty well put together set of wheels
Thanks for that ride review, Warro. The Yamaha's engine and exhaust noise does seem quiet and kind of calming as you mention. Nice for riding around town and for anyone who decides to ride without wearing earplugs. Do both scooters have a variable-ratio belt drive transmission? When you have an opportunity, perhaps you can comment on if there is any difference between the function of the two scooter transmissions. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yamaha was optimized for acceleration and the Honda's transmission was more designed for higher speeds and fuel mileage. I have found that riding my Zero with its direct-drive design is very relaxing and helps to keep your mind on what is going on around you. Life without a gearbox and clutch is something to consider. lol I am looking forward to a similar ride review of the Honda around the same route.
yeah i will check out what your asking tranny wise on the test ride of the honda. i think its a pretty calming bike to ride. next trip out on the town run will be on the forza 350 and the tests will involve both bikes covering the exact same route.
the only real way i think one can get a good honest review on both bikes
An excellent review I’m thinking about buying an xmax 300 had an Enfield Scram 411 as my last bike which now needs replacing 🤔
back in my history section you'll see ive now upgraded to the 2023 model xmax 300. might be worth it for you to take a look. new model has re-designed plastics/digital dash and gps
Good review of the scoot, Warro. Thanks. I am curious about the turning radius. How easy is a u-turn on a dead end street for example? It seems like a great commuter.😊
very easy to do a uturn on these as its very well balanced. even to move around around or amongst my other bikes...too easy compared to the 500cc single which weights say an extra 15kgs and more of a handful.
i put it down to the weight being very low on the scoot and to the rear.
when the forza fell over from the side stand incident i had no trouble lifting it back up . i would have struggled with the 500cc bike and its. only 10 kgs heavier
Thanks for the info. Cheers.
@@sammemrys8195 always happy to help out
Learn how to do it and its easy on any bike
Nice job my man
I am organizing Christmas presents for my fam and girlfriend
doing good mate. not many can watch a 20 minute clip in 2 minutes...lol
@@ridewithwarro haha that’s it
I got 156 subs
So you are an Orange boy uh? ........ I used to own the Kymco version (X town) and it was the BEST touring bike ive ever had. Nice vid and many thanks.
happy to hear you enjoyed the clip
Good one Warro 👍 great review.
thanks! these clips are coming along pretty good. when i hit the open road i think it gets even better.
Hi Ruahines ! The 2022 Yamaha XMax scooter hasn’t arrived in NZ as of yet. I shall trade in when it comes. Personally I would prefer if Yamaha did an 400cc model. Do you have a scooter ?
@@johnmartin7158 No I don't own a scooter but I have a loaner bike in shed which I used to get back into riding after a long hiatus away from bikes.It is a 1990 MZ 250 2 stroke motorcycle & is a East German bike, cold weather bike,stubby kickstart on left hand side,use right foot to kick over while on stand.Cruises at 110 but a pig compared to R.E Interceptor & haven't riden since buying Interceptor.lol.
@@ruahinesrider Awesome ! That’s history for me as in that East German bike. Only 2 more weeks to wait for me now.
@@johnmartin7158 Have you heard of them before have you?
They even raced them decades ago with heritage going back to 1920 which is stamped on petrol tank lid.Was second longest continuous motorcycle company untill it's closure in early 2000's but by then had moved to Turkey in 1991.Cold weather bike & favored by Soviet Army's in Eastern block & work force for commuting to work.They have a cult following in Europe & can get most parts for them too but getting them to NZ is difficult cause they won't send here also popular in England but unheard of here.I might push it out of shed for video but battery flat but still be good video,only done 10,000km.
Which one you would prefer for daily use as I’m a parcel delivery guy so I want your honest opinion I drive at least 150 miles a days so tell me which is will be good for me
thats a big ask when your not even subscribed to the channel...lol
@@ridewithwarro I’m subscribe to your channel man so give me your opinion please
@@Ak-it4mr do you honestly think i can give you the answer when i am only up to part 6. this is what splits up. you want the answer but i had to pay $19000 to buy two bikes which in return i got very poor view results for the tubers
tell ya what-give me a call on my hotmail and i will sell you eiter bike at a good price and when you show up to buy give you my personal thoughts on which one is best
@@ridewithwarro lol...jesus😳
@@darkelf1000 was a bit of a wild ride off road for a few seconds. prety happy i was running abs as it did the stop pretty much drama free.
although saying that it felt pretty fast once i got off the main sealed section of road...lol
Only negative with mine is main beam is useless on unlit Road. Mates is same. Dipped is good though🤦♂️ apart from that it is amazing bike. Mpg is amazing. 105 to 115 per imp gallon.
yeah they are certainly good on the gas and over the rough sections of road
Hey there. Do you have anything to compare the lights to? Do they appear to be the same as modern car headlights?
My Svartpilen 401 had an amazing dipped beam, on the same level as any modern car. High beams were good too but then the dipped was dimmed, due to heat reasons I guess.
I’m looking at (either) 1986 Honda CB750 metallic sky blue. Lol. OR 2001 Honda CB750 American Special Edition maroon both under 20k miles and currently ridden every now and then by owner(s). Probably try and buy March as February is -3.8 Celsius to 8 Celsius. Some few days peak 16.6 C.
I don’t mind 8+C or higher. I stay 66km to 88kph when cold. At 97kph and around 4.5C. Your wind chill drops temperature by average -8C. If colder, it drops lower at same speed.
One winter I was caught at office until 3am (coldest part of night). OFFICIAL temp was -2.2C. With windchill my thermometer showed -13.8C.
I froze in riding position. I stopped 2miles from home at Breakfast Diner and walked in bent back and legs…..lol. I got free coffee and huge meal.
Waitress rubbed my numb legs…hahaha. I stayed until 7am, drove home. (Summer coat) I froze and was very sick for a week. Now I take full winter gear everywhere DECEMBER-mid March.
good story! i was out on the forza 350 today and ran into rain on the way back 50 klm from home. i was wearing my air bag jacket during the testing and it got wet and after that felt a lot heavier than it really is- and its heavy....lol
so 2nd time ive been caught in the past 9 years. first time was 9 years ago/...lol
I got a deal on my X Max 8.3k and 1.9% finance plus all the accessories (Qld).
sounds good to me. saved yourself a packet there
I'm picking up my new 2023 Xmax in Tulsa, Ok for only $6299
If Batman owned a Scooter it would be the Yamaha X Max.
thats exactly what i thought...lol
Gee Warro got some rough roads in town.
Everyone seems to park facing forwards in Ausie know one parks like that here.
Park facing forward on the diagonal parks.
that i have...and it doesn't get any better when i hit the open road either...lol
@@ridewithwarro Warro did you look at the BSA?de tuned to 45hp & 55Nm does a 105mph(sea level probably)looks like a better finish on engine casings,brembo brakes.Has a whopper water radiator bigger than a Triumph one which ruins look from front on but side on it's f🤬n awesome.I'd say Interceptor be smoother & more refined 650 is a big single would be good to have one of each.Your thoughts Warro
Gay mate the drivers around you area must be related to the where l live the buggers are always pulling out or cutting off or not indicating, you really need your Witt's she out riding, onset how a little 300cc will last it's pulling some weight, it must be high revs, time will tell. Cheers.
next clip out will be the forza 350 around the same loop-should be worth a view.
no doubt when your riding a bike/scooter trust no-one on the roads...lol