Did Jonas Eidevall PUSH Vivianne Miedema?
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- There's a video circulating on X of the Everton game where Jonas looks to sub on Viv just before full time. After what looks like an unhappy exchange, does Jonas dismiss Viv with a push/shove/finger?
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Plot twist. Rue replaces viv at arsenal=her big news 🤣
I think Viv is one of those rare players who understands a lot about football and that probably in the future will be a coach. She has already realised that Arsenal will never win the league with this coach, she might even get annoyed by the wrong choices he does and got tired of it. She’s leaving to a place where she thinks it will be better. Good for her.
I think she can take Jonas’ job a season after, they should sack him if they couldn’t get qualified for champion league and we can have Kelly smith!
Eidevall has been generally poor at Arsenal, has brought in a lot of players and often doesn't seem to know what to do with them. 'Whap the ball into the penalty box' seems to be about the limit to his tactics.
Jonas out!
Jonas has been atrocious for Arsenal. He left so many great players on the bench and his decisions at times made no sense. I was really hoping that we'd get the news that he'd be the one being replaced at the end of this season. But instead we keep seeing news of great players leaving. Good on Viv for leaving - she certainly deserves better. As a gunner, I can't help but feel we'll be a mid table team next season.
Feels like viv didn't want to leave arsenal but right now i would love nothing but her to leave for herself, she deserve so much better.
As rue said, she will come back even stronger & determinant and arsenal would regret sooo much
the fact both Emma Hayes and Gareth Taylor have spoken about Jonas and his aggressive behavior on the touchline and no one really listened is shocking
Agreed! And how quickly everyone rushed in to condemn EH was disappointing having witnessed his aggression live in other matches like when he yelled at Martha Thomas at a Spurs match.. Done been saying Jonas OUT.
And Matt Beard!
A few people did mention it after the Conti Cup incident but Arsenal fans were quick to shut them down at the time
It’s clear the guy has a short temper, and he’s probably lucky that no microphones have picked up what he’s said when he’s screaming at opposition players
Has anyone actually seen the footage?
@@terriblegamer76 of what? Viv and Jonas?
Viv is a calm person. She doesn’t react for nothing. He shouldn’t be pushing anyone, even a gentle guide with his hand, Jonas has lost the dressing room. Viv won't stand for it and has obviously reacted to it. Jonas needs to leave before he destroys the club. There is too much negativity around him that can only get worse from here.
How he spoke cryptically about her post match with a big smile now looks like he was happy to know she was leaving. Arsenal are fucking stupid letting such a valuable player and wonderful person leave... on a free! X
Maybe there's truth to what Emma Hayes and Gareth Taylor both said 😳
Arsenal fans won't admit that until they decide to sack Jonas.
Yelling at Martha Thomas at Spurs match too.
Talk of you can’t say owt to Jonas cz didn’t say anything to Emma. But idc what anyone says there’s a difference between a man putting his hands on a woman and what Emma saw and rightly doesn’t apologise for - because he is aggressive. The stats on women as victims to male violence are huge in comparison to the other way around I reckon Emma as usual is right bloody on.
What did they say about Jonas?
Nice to see Ruesh talking about Arsenal, the hurt has gone, the girl seems to have moved on - high five to Rue 🙌🥰
She’s my gal x
Big up, to ruesha love the
Straight talking and no nonsense that why love this show
I was at that Everton game and saw what happened. She clearly had a row with him along the lines of 'what is the point?'. At the end of the game, she left the pitch immediately and didn't stay for the team huddle. We all talked about it at the game.
I don't like what I see in that video...
She was supposedly crying to Caitlin afterwards
Lawd….if he touched her. NO BUENO❌
@shebahn I don't think the fracas with jonas the cause because she WOULDN'T have written in her statement that Arsenal was a safe place to be.
@shebahn have you read Viv's release statement
@shebahn Viv actually said in her release statement and I quote "thank you for making arsenal a safe place to be" if there was a problem she wouldn't have written this in her statement
As an arsenal fan I have entered a state of depression 😭😭😭 love you shebahn
❤️
I felt the same way, if she join MC… I will be MC fan!
maybe arsenal fans should have listened to Emma Hayes and Gareth Taylor...his behavior is not a surprise to the rest of us
That wouldn't fit their narrative just like they think everything McCabe does is funny but they soon go after LJ or Jess carter
I agree with you
Funny how some player behaviour is Accepted
but other get bad press trolled I mean the bullying of lauren james is disgusting, also emma hayes
Emma Hayes wasn't wrong about Jonas.
rubbish , emma hayes was BANG OUT OF ORDER
@@davewright8206 I'm not talking about the push, but about her comments.
Bruh wtf are you on about? She physically assaulted the guy after she lost the match. Then tried to play the victim and calling it "male agression".Her hypocrisy and sexism is getting shipped to the US and she's the USWNT's problem now.
From State side, Minnesota way. It was Miedema’s beautiful play and mind that brought me to the Beautiful Game. I wonder as I have watched interactions of Jonas if he was intimidated by Viv. I read a reaction about Arsenal letting Viv go by her previous coach and I don’t see Jonas as reacting the same way to Viv’s challenging the coach about how to play. Joe says he loved the discussions he had with Viv and I think Jonas may have felt threatened by her wanting to discuss how to play and improve as a team. When a person feels threatened (it doesn’t have to be a physical threat) they will often react negatively/defensively. (I’m a physician so I deal with this frequently with patients)
I am of the opinion that maybe why Jonas seemed to use the injury/fitness and playing time as a way to gradually get rid of her at the end. Viv’s a softy, as Beth said, but she is according to her teammates and now her previous coach not shy about her opinions about play on the pitch. I don’t obviously know Jonas but his press conferences and interactions are such that I don’t think he has the self confidence to deal with a player like Viv.
Joe Montemurro on Miedema: "She was the symbol in my tenure of how Arsenal wanted to play. I absolutely loved working with her because we used to challenge each other.
Tactically, the way we wanted to approach things, we would have great discussions about how we could improve. I really loved those discussions. She's really an intelligent thinker in terms of the way she sees the game. We had a lot of banter, it was always a lot of fun. She was an amazing listener and an amazing person wanting to bring the game to the next level. She had a massive impact. I definitely grew as a coach.
wonder why journalists aren't giving this as much attention as they did the Emma hayes incident
Doesn't fit their narrative
@@rosiebirrell7812 WHAT POPPY COCK! this isnt major drama its just persons interpretation of events
excellent point
Because it's a non issue. She was about to be subbed on, he changed his mind and asked her to sit back down. To me, it doesn't look like he pushed her, more of an encouragement to go sit back down as there is no point in standing there when she is not going to play.
I think fans are making too much out of this.
Speculation like this destroys things. People should wait and hear what Viv/Jonas have to say about this before jumping to conclusions.
I think Viv has an issue with Jonas doing this kind of things in games. Remember when Maya Iwabuchi was brought on for like 30 secs in a game and she started crying. Afteter the final whistle Viv had a word with Jonas where she basically said it was disrespectful.
So I think he tried to do the similar thing to her and she wasn't having it.
Yup. I remember that. Soon she was gone
Yes! I remember that. It’s so freaking disrespectful. Jonas is such a bad vibe.
I heard that viv went crying to one of the players on the bench and I was at the game and after when all the players where taking pictures Beth ran in and said “sorry I need to go check on viv” and viv ran in before the game even finished🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
where did you hear this? x
you can't tell me he hasn't lost the dressing room
viv deserves so much better
Think Viv and Jonas have never gotten on. There's another example when she wasn't playing, they were shall we say having a discussion about the game. Viv has a very football focused mind. Don't think Jonas likes to be told he's wrong. The man has no clue what his best 11 players are and it's been how long. He should have gone last year. Shameful
I think it makes yesterdays news a bit clearer. No less criminal in the action to not stand by their star player. Fair play to her for what looks like defending herself.
It did get me wondering though if Viv was actually getting a little treatment on her knee when Jonas left her out of the squad that travelled to Man City or if he, not wanting to address this situation didn't want to say he dropped her given this clip hadn't surfaced to this level and avoid speculation at that point?
I feel that too
Shebahn I commented on your other vid about this before the video of the conflict came out but glad it’s been caught for others to see but she ran straight down the tunnel and didn’t speak with the team whatsoever and Beth ran down saying to the fans she needs to go and check on her but Viv was really not happy after the game
Now suddenly people care but went after Emma , he was well known to bully players in Sweden, he had a go at Erin Cuthbert,he tried mouthing off at Magda during one of the games but that to arsenal fans was ok . Jonas is aggressive had to be pulled back by one of his own staff ... But as long as everyone hates on Emma and Gareth it's not a problem until now
He didnt do anything to Cuthbert😂 he stood there. She ran up to him. Stop making shit up.
@@katdaddywalsh8180 think some people want to grow up and stop making something out of nothing.
@@katdaddywalsh8180 Maybe the yelling was fine to you.. Well not the first time, i have seen him in that behavior twice or more than, .. Gareth Taylor also had a say toward his attitude, Emma also accused him of male aggression due to his attitude in the touchline and I'm happy she didn't apologized and everyone is seeing it now
What the interaction shows is NO respect from Jonas to Viv.
I don’t think it’s a consideration of if it’s violent or not, but what it is is totally disrespectful workplace conduct tantamount to bullying as he is in a position of career authrority over her.
He firstly insultingly starts to bring her on for 60seconds then doesn’t- humiliating in itself and then gives her a physical brush off, not professional and as other have noted he’s been physically dismissive or aggressive before even hayes mentioned anything.
Viv has been outspoken about his managerial mistakes and he clearly can’t take it and wants her out.
He’s a poor manager not to do better with the talent and money he has, don’t know what arsenal see in him.
I think rue is going to be on a TV show😁😁
I just can’t believe that if this is what we’re seeing and whats being caught on video on the side of the pitch that there is not more going on behind the scenes. I was hesitant to give too much weight to the male aggression narrative since it came in what seemed like Emma Hayes defending her own behaviour but the more that we see the more I fully agree that Jonas has a pattern of this kind of aggressive behaviour. I want him gone.
we know viv isn't an agressive person that's the thing so that video felt off
The fact that Viv is leaving is all you need to know. Losing a player like Viv will come back to bite Arsenal. I am interested in seeing what happens moving forward....
The second tier teams in a few countries are better than Arsenal, they have the players but not a winning team! They didn’t improve throughout the season after the champion league qualification failure! One can get a few youngsters in on the first team, not gel-ing is a problem! Management is risking this year attendance success cos some of the fan favs are not going to be there!
Loved your thoughts and analysis thanks gals!
Good reporting, ladies
Love this show
My favourite podcast
Do a pateon i would join
Best wishes ladies 🎉🎉
Emma hayes wasn't wrong, it's not spoken about enough about what he did towards Martha Thomas in the United va Arsenal Conti cup clash... he squared up to her and threw his arms in the arm agressively. When you look back at 3 different videos you see his male aggression play out and so many people have played it down in the moment but it can't be ignored anymore
IMHO I am gutted that Viv wasn't given access to what makes her great... time on the pitch. the worse thing for our team
Thanks Shebahn and Rue for your take on the video and Jonas.
Imagine having that clip all this time but not wanting to post it because you want to defend that prick until it finally affects your club just because your fan base hatred for Emma and wanting to make her out as the bad guy. Embarrassing that. If multiple people have spoke about him being this way clearly something is there 🤷
Não estamos falando de qualquer jogadora, estamos falando de uma das maiores jogadoras da história do Arsenal, me parece óbvio que o clube tentaria uma renovação antes do contrato acabar para que ela não saísse de graça, mas algo fez com que Miedema talvez não quisesse ouvir propostas por talvez estar insatisfeita com algo, algo que ela não expôs e conhecendo ela sabemos que ela seria capaz de ficar calada pra não atrapalhar o clube. Vendo as imagens dele sendo no mínimo desrespeitoso com ela na beira do campo eu me pergunto, alguém do clube o advertiu ? Alguém do clube procurou resolver? Alguém do clube está acompanhando de perto o vestiário para evitar possíveis abusos ? E me pergunto também por que a grande imprensa inglesa não se pronunciou até agora sobre isso ? E os torcedores aceitaram calados ? Sou torcedor no Brasil e estou indignado com isso, não acredito que os torcedores ingleses achem isso normal e não protestem. Precisamos de resposta, devem isso aos torcedores, as jogadoras do Arsenal e ao futebol feminino como um todo. Chega de abusos !
Thanks for your time girl's ❤
Hello Shebahn. She spoke about FIFA wanting too much and pushing players to the limits to make money. Arsenal are a business and are sending the team to Australia to generate extra cash. It seems her outspoken attitude and what the club demands of the employees are at odds, without the manager even in the picture. I assume he would be expected to "let her go" in line with the business needs?
Also, is there a similarity to Chelsea moving to ensure a couple do not get "undue influence" in the team by "letting go" of a player. Remember Emma Hayes comments on couples.
Lastly, I commented before about Arsenal star studdied team reminding me of Leeds United men in 1970s with too much player power.
Yes please add timestamps so we know what part of the match you are watching, for us who cant watch live
Everyone is talking about her form with her recent ACL injuries, they seem to forget that before injury she was in/out of the squad for mental health reasons. I don't think Arsenal has been a nurturing environment for Viv for a while now. I think she's wanted it to improve and for them to find the value in her but sadly that hasn't been the case. Bad business on Arsenal's part as you should never let a player like Viv leave for nothing.
Jonas squared up to Martha Thomas a few season ago and he’s done it multiple time since. I don’t think he’s a good person to be honest. Always screaming at the fourth official and at LSV this season was screaming at Jayde Riviere
I can't find the video you're talking about, where can I see it?
going to the game tomorrow.. looking forward to it
I am not one to call for managers out here and there but seriously I am ready for him to go
Thanks
This is so bloody kind! Thank you scott x
As a club that is meant to be all about the improvement the womens game, supporting and promoting it's growth and better treatment for female players in general there has been nothing about the treatment of viv that shows any of what they preach. They appear to be showing the complete opposite.
Can only hope whatever club viv ends up at next shows her the respect she deserves as a human with an exceptional talent that she gets to throw back in arsenals face
I read chat that Jonas was also part of the reason why Mana decided to retire???? You're right. This is not a good look
Yeah he was and gio told us but we didn't listen, on tiktok gios reposts were like videos like saying how her coach which is jonas is ruining her confidence and is a bad coach
Can we see the video
As far I can understand Reusha , I agree whit her
I think the video shows that’s there’s something else going on there that’s probably a bigger issue than the push or whatever people want to call it. It’s very strange to me too that you are letting your best player at the club leave in the summer on a free?
I think so too because the way viv immediately turned back to face him after that action say it all….
Reusha , congratulations on your contract with arsenal, that is big news 👏
Where's the video 😭
This is worrying. Arsenal haven't been close to winning a championship recently. It seems they're going backwards under this manager. Losing one of our best players to our rivals is just stupid.
It wouldn't surprise me if Beth Mead wanted to leave. Managers need to manage themselves. Sad day.
It shows me that you lack competence, if this level of player doesn't fit in your "system". Look how chelsea treated Macario and how Arsenal treated Viv when it comes to ACL.
You’ve gotta wonder what the players are saying amongst themselves about that interaction… especially Beth.
He shouldn’t be touching her at all…She has every right to be furious. Like arsenal be won’t lose Mead now as well, what the heck is he thinking.
My guess is it was a late game sub and Viv probably said what’s the point or something to that effect .And Jonas just said we’ll go sit down! and she didn’t like that. I said it a month ago on your channel. Viv was not a happy camper and where were they going to use her. They’re not gonna sit Blackstenious down or Russo. Unfortunately the team has moved on since she’s been hurt. Plus, I do not believe Jonas likes being undermined to the players by Viv and told that he’s doing things wrong. Even though she’s probably right most of the time. Wherever she goes I will cheer for her. And one day when she’s a coach She will see the other side of the coin. Imo
Unbelievable player cant believe what is going on with Arsenal at the minute. I hope she is able to stay within a English club maybe Manchester City
Its the manager who should be facing the exit door not her .
What about the potential for this to damage Jonas's relationship with Beth?
This incident has nothing to do with the Emma situation..this is about a club taking a stand about any of their staff and management and how they treat their players! This was extremely disrespectful!
JONAS OUT.
As Rue said there's something wrong at the top.
Arsenal have been going backwards since he came even though he got the players he said he wanted.
In my opinion jonas has been feeling the heat and taking it out on players which is just not on
Great chat lads, but we will never know the truth, because narcissistic people, never tell the truth. Jonhas needs to be relieved, Gone, out. Bye bye
That video has made me feel sick 😢
Pero viv no es así de temperamental? Sino es así entonces eso es un enojo acumulado y simplemente a la menor provocación ella explotó. hay que ponerle atención al entrenador talvez las tenga a todas estresadas 🤔 Saludos de Barcelona 👋
Viv is usually very calm. It's odd for her to react like this...makes me think it may not be an isolated incident
This is really not the first time that jonas has shown this behavior in 2022 Ajax vs Arsenal butting heads with mead and ajax player . Player wants to say sorry to mead , she was pushed away in an aggressive manner
To me, this is non issue. She was about to be subbed on, he changed his mind and asked her to sit back down. To me, it doesn't look like he pushed her, more of an encouragement to go sit back down as there is no point in standing there when she is not going to play.
I think fans are making too much out of this.
Speculation like this destroys things. People should wait and hear what Viv/Jonas have to say about this before jumping to conclusions. (I am an Arsenal)
am not one for too much player power. Always dangerous area to get into. cull the egos.
A lot more to it than the push
‘ If, but, why ‘ !!
is a dangerous game and should not be entertained as this promotes ‘over thinking ‘ which can affect an individual’s mental well being.!!
Life is complicated enough without overthinking and over analysing situations.👍
Have a good day!👍
Viv to Lyon???
I was under the impression that Viv wasn't happy playing at Arsenal. It has been a long time.
Can it be shown
On X .. x
Thanks a million, keep up the good work x
You can tell it's a push it doesn't matter how much force he used this is showing that a manager can push around a player. Arsenal have been pushing out so much social media content to try and detract from the bad PR
I. Wouldn’t be speculating that Viv said something to Jonas - there is no evidence of that. On fact I think he changed his mind because they scored a goal
This news reminds me how Mana had to leave the team. I have no idea how to explain but I don’t have positive impressions to the head coach.
No smoke without fire. This is the 3rd strike if you believe everything people say. Gareth Taylor, Emma Hayes, and then this incident. People can play blind but it's all pointing towards an aggressive Jonas. Viv is an alpha, and I think he was feeling undermined by her. They had a spat a few years back when he brought on Iwabuchi with seconds left in a game. Viv then stood up for her, and Jonas didn't seem to take too kindly to that. The guy in my eyes is never going to get the team to the promised land because he just isn't good enough. In the words of Simon Jordan, he is the typical bridesmaid.
i think , A. until you know ,its just supposition . B. he is a manager he has a job to do ,possibly more things on his mind than just that game .
im honestly not trying to rile you , just playing the other side of the coin
i think jonas gets plenty of stick ....and he seems such a decent bloke in front of the camera
I'd agree but there are so many clips of jonas being aggressive to players on the touchline and managers saying he is aggressive and bully's officials. Plus viv is a very calm person and doesn't usually react
Pattern emerging about Eideval, Vivi deserves much more than this mediocre manager, bully boys always fail.
Hope the rest of the Arsenal ladies start to see him for what he is.
Nice use of the word "Feckin". Thought it was only us irish who said that!
Jonas has lost the locker room. Do you think Beth is going to respect him? Steph?
His aggression is always bubbling just below the surface. I hope the powers that be, send him packing. Viv is the only one that stood up to him and now she’s leaving. Let the Arsenal exodus begin.
Hahahahahhahahahhaaa you went after Hayes what are you saying now Shebahn? 👀👆
The same…
@@shebahn😂. I love you Shebahn. Stand on business. You only have one word. That’s a quality 🫡
100% he did
Shebahn get real list one player or manager who is bigger than the club. Viv mentally left Arsenal two years plus ago. Her illness and injuries personal life etc etc is a catalogue of disaster. Arsenal need to let a few more of the clique go also. Oh listen to Rue Shebahn and yourself 'it looks like as if'' ......... Viv as far as Arsenal has been history for a couple of years. Rue is hitting the nail on the head.
jonas has beady eyes
always picking on jonas
Really disappointing and disturbing you'd create such a false narrative and not get info on the situation! Viv was unhappy subbing on because there wasnt much time left and had an issue with it. Im not a jonas fan but he didnt push her and to claim that or even suggest it when the video clearly doesnt show that is wild. Viv has had several sideline outbursts towards jonas in there time and has made it clear in interviews she challenges him alot. She has also been struggling with major mental health issues as stated by her. I love Viv but it clearly wasnt working.. she's been unhappy since jonas came in and then got injured. She didnt want to resign at her last contract and then did last minute. Why would you want to sign someone knowing they are not happy?
And then people claim "what about Beth".. and this is a prime example of what EH was talking about. Every player is an individual. And this is a business. Whether you like it or not.
Vivs statement did not reflect someone who felt unsafe or neglected. Im sure she is so hurt it has come to this.. similarly to when Nobbs left.. it sucks.. but the crap that people are making up is out of control.
Katdaddy Walsh” You couldn't have said it better.
Sab d Angelo leaves Arsenal
I thought she was a good goalkeeper
Sack Jonas he will pull Arsenal down
i have being saying this for a while, jonas has no respect for arsenal, they players and the fans, i have also said jonas has a history of being an absolute tit rat, he should be fired and he can go do one, this is coming from a chelsea fan, but even though i respect all players regardless of what team they play for which is clear that jonas doesnt, also viv is very chilled, it takes a lot for her to get to that stage of saying something to jonas and than crying after
I detest Eidevall. He’s got the best resources available to any head coach in women’s football. He’s frankly done a woeful job, I still don’t see any identity in our play. Certain players not given a chance, his aggression on the touchline in most games.
If Arsenal don’t make a change they’ll be just as far away from wining next year.
This guys is destroying arsenal women club
Jonas has lost interest in Viv because he's got the hots for Alessia Russo - he is obsessed with her.
It looks like a shove. There wouldn’t be this debate about what happened if Jonas hadn’t touched Viv. I don’t like the video and it makes him look like a bully
I wanna see you sheban in the tiger skin
Apart from Williamson, Lotte , Mccabe and Little i'd say everyone else is replaceable. The standards are so low at the club we think players are doing us a favor by playing for us. Viv is a top player and will shine somewhere else however she has been hinting at leaving for years and has ran down her contract multiple times, her bluff was finally called. Sad but we move
It’s all bs…