Dude, thank you so much for showing a video handling all these different varieties of X-Pac materials. I'm very autistic and need to be able to know what fabrics sound like, and just in natural movement you've given off more "realistic" use-case sounds than any sound comparison I was able to find online. I almost just dropped $150 on a bag that would have driven me insane by crinkly noises.
Thanks for this vid! Here's my notes comparing some different types of pack fabrics: - Robic: reinforced nylon, weather resistant. - X-pac: x shapes. Laminated layers. Highly weather resistant. More denier=more weight=more weather resistance - VX21: 210 denier nylon face, lighter, less tough than X50 - V50: 500 denier nylon face, lighter, less tough than X50, glossy finish. - X50: 500 denier Cordura nylon face, Matte finish 315 gsm. Warp: 171.3 N - Ultra: lighter, weaker, more expensive than x pac. A blend of UHMWPE (#1 plastic) and high-tenacity polyester 186 gsm. Warp 101.24 N - UHMWPE: Ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene. Really strong #1 plastic, some thing disposable water bottles are made of.
Suggestion for those who have a hard time deciding: Get a couple of Able Carry Stash Pouches as samples. They are cheap, useful, come in VX21/42 and X50/51, and don't have any lining, so you can see the back side of the material.
I believe the reason why the X51 is slightly floppier than the X50 is because it's 1000 by 500 denier (one horizontally, other vertically) which creates some diagonal stretch. Whereas the X50 at 500 denier is more stable no matter how you stretch it. I watched Remote Equipment's video about X50 and X51 and that's the impression I got.
So the difference between VX (as in VX21) and X (as in X50) is the 3rd layer (or 4th layer depending on what you call the X grid), - you have the face material (21 = 210d), the X grid, a film, and then the VX has a polyester tafeta backing while the X doesn't. Some bags with X50 that is unlined have a very shiny back side with the X pattern.
I haven't seen a TBB Conceal in Orange before for the life of me. Great collection! I have also owned bags and other EDC accessories in different types of X-Pac, I'd have to say that it's my favorite material on a bag so far because some of it just stands out and it doesn't attract too much dust just on a daily use. Great insight! P.S. Recently just scored a TBB Conceal with the neon colors on the inside! Can't wait for it to arrive at my doorstep. Gotta say it's been a while since I felt like a kid on Christmas.
Have to be careful about the "doesn't attract dust" part because that really depends on the type of Xpac. X50/51 definitely attracts dust and hair just as much as Cordura (since that's what the face is made out of). And that Conceal, I completely understand. The one in this video is an absolutely prized possession. 1 of 2 :)
When it comes to the krinckle factor how do the VX21 and 42 differ? I'm looking at the Able Carry 13 options bewteen VX21 and X42. I'm familiar with the VX42 Aer uses, and I dig it. Wondering how the 42 without the tafetta backing changes it's feel. Also, in your video, the VX21 seemed like it had a louder krinckle than the VX42. What are your thoughts?
I tend to think the Cobra is more versatile generally speaking. The Phoenix is pretty tight for anything but daily carry. Also, the cobra doesn't force me to work out of the left side of the bag all the time. I do like both though. I think for the right person the Phoenix would be the better option.
May be you can also do a video on how to buy a X-PAC or Dyneema backpack. Almost every time I learn a nice bag made of them, they are either sold out or being sold at ridiculous price.
Hey man have you every checked out YNOT bags? I was recently going to pull the trigger on a GR2 34L for one bag travel but I saw a review of the YNOT magnetica and I loved the look in multicam black. It also looks like it would be a great edc bag once you get to your destination. The bags are made in Canada which helps me out because I am always paying huge customs and duties when ordering bags here ;) Thought you might be interested in this bag aswell, looks like its kinda your style!
I also want to know where to buy these materials in the USA. I've bought a custom bag from an Italian bag designer/maker, with mostly hot orange RVX25 and black VX21. I'm looking to buy some RVX25 for a small custom bag. If anyone is interested in the guy that made my bag lmk!
Perfect timing! Just contemplating a new pack and there are build choices to be made, having never owned anything XPAC this has helped, however… I’m now torn between going with either VX42 or X50 or just to complicate things a little further, X50 MCB 🤔 Help me JT-Kenobi, you’re my only hope…
Be careful, 1680D ballistic nylon isn’t better than smaller numbered nylons because of the way it’s made 1050D for instance is far more durable since it’s 2x2 Keep this stuff in mind and don’t always shoot for highest numbers
500D for dues not nearly are durable as people will tell you I can can prove it to 1000D is much more durable I have two very expensive back packs that lasted 18 months rack before the 509D circuit gave out because of the zippers rubbing against the material.
Dude, thank you so much for showing a video handling all these different varieties of X-Pac materials. I'm very autistic and need to be able to know what fabrics sound like, and just in natural movement you've given off more "realistic" use-case sounds than any sound comparison I was able to find online. I almost just dropped $150 on a bag that would have driven me insane by crinkly noises.
Thanks for this vid! Here's my notes comparing some different types of pack fabrics:
- Robic: reinforced nylon, weather resistant.
- X-pac: x shapes. Laminated layers. Highly weather resistant. More denier=more weight=more weather resistance
- VX21: 210 denier nylon face, lighter, less tough than X50
- V50: 500 denier nylon face, lighter, less tough than X50, glossy finish.
- X50: 500 denier Cordura nylon face, Matte finish 315 gsm. Warp: 171.3 N
- Ultra: lighter, weaker, more expensive than x pac. A blend of UHMWPE (#1 plastic) and high-tenacity polyester 186 gsm. Warp 101.24 N
- UHMWPE: Ultra-high-molecular-weight polyethylene. Really strong #1 plastic, some thing disposable water bottles are made of.
Suggestion for those who have a hard time deciding: Get a couple of Able Carry Stash Pouches as samples. They are cheap, useful, come in VX21/42 and X50/51, and don't have any lining, so you can see the back side of the material.
Exactly the comparison I needed. Easy to understand and follow along with. Love it!
Bro this is super necessary and helpful! Love the ripstip lesson there too. Thanks for the heat!
You got it, brotholo!
Great video! Was just thinking about this the other day, so excellent timing.
haha, hope it helped dude!
I believe the reason why the X51 is slightly floppier than the X50 is because it's 1000 by 500 denier (one horizontally, other vertically) which creates some diagonal stretch. Whereas the X50 at 500 denier is more stable no matter how you stretch it. I watched Remote Equipment's video about X50 and X51 and that's the impression I got.
wow awesome video thank you man. appreciate this - was just what I was looking to find out
Video really helps my understanding! 1 question, hows the color fastness in vx42? Will the black fade after a while?
So the difference between VX (as in VX21) and X (as in X50) is the 3rd layer (or 4th layer depending on what you call the X grid), - you have the face material (21 = 210d), the X grid, a film, and then the VX has a polyester tafeta backing while the X doesn't. Some bags with X50 that is unlined have a very shiny back side with the X pattern.
I haven't seen a TBB Conceal in Orange before for the life of me. Great collection!
I have also owned bags and other EDC accessories in different types of X-Pac, I'd have to say that it's my favorite material on a bag so far because some of it just stands out and it doesn't attract too much dust just on a daily use. Great insight!
P.S. Recently just scored a TBB Conceal with the neon colors on the inside! Can't wait for it to arrive at my doorstep. Gotta say it's been a while since I felt like a kid on Christmas.
Have to be careful about the "doesn't attract dust" part because that really depends on the type of Xpac. X50/51 definitely attracts dust and hair just as much as Cordura (since that's what the face is made out of). And that Conceal, I completely understand. The one in this video is an absolutely prized possession. 1 of 2 :)
When it comes to the krinckle factor how do the VX21 and 42 differ? I'm looking at the Able Carry 13 options bewteen VX21 and X42. I'm familiar with the VX42 Aer uses, and I dig it. Wondering how the 42 without the tafetta backing changes it's feel. Also, in your video, the VX21 seemed like it had a louder krinckle than the VX42. What are your thoughts?
Lot of lesson there. Waiting for the dyneemas!
I’m here because there’s a Supreme bag that just came out that’s made out of this material. Excited to use it.
I have the cobra, as someone who used both the cobra and the phoenix which one do you use more?
I tend to think the Cobra is more versatile generally speaking. The Phoenix is pretty tight for anything but daily carry. Also, the cobra doesn't force me to work out of the left side of the bag all the time. I do like both though. I think for the right person the Phoenix would be the better option.
On the Race Day Bag is the outer mesh pocket on the front removable?
It is not. I mean, unless with scissors.
JTKrinkle Ho Ho Ho
Thanks for the info, sir.
Merry Christmas and happy new year to you and yours.
You too, dude!
I was just going through the able carry max. After watching your video,i went for the multi cam black.
Great call, that's the one I have and it's hella burly.
May be you can also do a video on how to buy a X-PAC or Dyneema backpack. Almost every time I learn a nice bag made of them, they are either sold out or being sold at ridiculous price.
Great video. I would love to see a video on Dyneema vs X-Pac. Cheers
I will talk about it in the Dyneema video ;)
Time: 3:30 am
JT: Let’s talk about X-Pac
Me: This seems important. Sleep can wait.
HA! Apologies.
@@jtinseoul7041 you put me in my happy place before bed: magical Baglandia. I shall dream of sailing away on a boat made of white X-Pac.
Well, that would be most likely VX21. A lovely variety! Sail away, sir~
Thx for the informative video! Do u like xpac or dyneema better?
Really depends on the product it's going to be on ;)
Can’t laminate that many materials you still have to sow the bag together so they have to calculate all that in the final design
Hey man have you every checked out YNOT bags? I was recently going to pull the trigger on a GR2 34L for one bag travel but I saw a review of the YNOT magnetica and I loved the look in multicam black. It also looks like it would be a great edc bag once you get to your destination. The bags are made in Canada which helps me out because I am always paying huge customs and duties when ordering bags here ;)
Thought you might be interested in this bag aswell, looks like its kinda your style!
Honestly, I'd LOVE to try one. It's just a bit pricy to get shipped to Korea. It's definitely my style I think.
I also want to know where to buy these materials in the USA. I've bought a custom bag from an Italian bag designer/maker, with mostly hot orange RVX25 and black VX21. I'm looking to buy some RVX25 for a small custom bag. If anyone is interested in the guy that made my bag lmk!
Perfect timing!
Just contemplating a new pack and there are build choices to be made, having never owned anything XPAC this has helped, however…
I’m now torn between going with either VX42 or X50 or just to complicate things a little further, X50 MCB 🤔
Help me JT-Kenobi, you’re my only hope…
If you're worried about dust and hair, I'd say go VX42. If not, go with the X50 my young padawan ;)
@@jtinseoul7041 Haha, cheers, I think you’re right the VX42 is the best option for me, this is the way :)
@@jtinseoul7041 I’ll drop you a message on Instagram…
Be careful, 1680D ballistic nylon isn’t better than smaller numbered nylons because of the way it’s made
1050D for instance is far more durable since it’s 2x2
Keep this stuff in mind and don’t always shoot for highest numbers
500D for dues not nearly are durable as people will tell you I can can prove it to 1000D is much more durable I have two very expensive back packs that lasted 18 months rack before the 509D circuit gave out because of the zippers rubbing against the material.
What do you mean by “bag nerd bags”? Lol
haha, hard to say. I know it when I see it.
@@jtinseoul7041 lol gave me a good laugh
@@jtinseoul7041 it must be the edc dudes.