Can You Beat Persona 5 Royal with Only Joker and Arsene on Merciless?
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CHAPTER TIMELINE:
0:00 - Intro
2:42 - Kamoshida's Palace
4:53 - Madarame's Palace
8:01 - Kaneshiro's Palace
10:40 - Futaba's Palace
14:26 - Okumura's Palace
17:31 - Sae's Palace
21:18 - Shido's Palace
23:08 - Depths of Mementos
25:25 - Royal Content
29:18 - Outro/Thoughts
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In Persona 5 Royal, Joker is not only the leader of the Phantom Thieves, but he’s also the most versatile and competent member of the team, to the point that other characters go as far as to say that the team is useless without Joker, so we’re here to see how much Joker can do on his own, along with his original persona, Arsene, at the game’s toughest.
Can You Beat Persona 5 Royal With Only Joker and Arsene on Merciless?
#P5R #Persona #Persona5Royal - Hry
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"Ryuji dies."
"Except he doesn't"
"Except he dies"
“Did you die?”
“Sadly yes, but I lived!”
“But I died…”
i've been told by numerous sources that my physical appearance resembles that of Ren Amamiya from Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 5 the Royal
Show me your true form!
woah what a coincidence!!! me too!!!!
@FuckOuttaHere featuring dante from devil may cry
Some say, I am a the trickster
Ren. Bruh.
Anime fans really are a plague.
Fun fact: it is possible to solo the holy grail with only joker as if joker is the only one in the battle, the holy grail will stop using will of the people after he’s used it three times.
Yea I learned that a couple months later, felt silly about not giving it a good try solo on my own lol but a lesson learned
Time do try it again. I did a Satanael Only run a while back in Merciless, so doing a Arsene Only is going to be tougher now. I have yet to fully 100% complete this game and got side-tracked by Strikers, so imma do that lol
@@AvianZoneSo how is the run doing so far?
@@midnighteclipse6989 I..got side-tracked and forgot about the run. Thanks for reminding me lmao
@@AvianZone No problem. Hope it goes well.
I have been told by multiple homosapions that I look similar in appearance to a man named Ren Amamiya or more well known as Joker from the spin-off of video game series shin magami tensei called persona in which ren (more well known as joker) is the main protagonist of the 6th game in the series called persona 5
Ren (Or as he is better known, Joker.) also appears as the Protagonist of the sequel to Persona 5, a spin off of the video game series known as Shin Megami Tensei, Persona 5 Strikers. Or as it is known in Japan, the country of origin for the series known as Shin Megami Tensei, Persona 5 Scramble: The Phantom Strikers
U look like Joker from Persona lmao
@@thevoidwalkerbr So ive been told
I wear glasses and I have messy hair, and I get the same from my friends
Oh you mean joker from persona 5, the sequel to persona 4, the sequel to persona 3, the sequel to persona 2 eternal punishment, the sequel to persona 2 innocent sin, the sequel to revelations: persona which is a spin off of shin megami tensei which is a spin off of the megami tensei franchise?
Narrations of P5 Challenge runs is just Sae being told what hell Joker went through from april to november
In this case he's actually right to say the others never helped him.
This gives me an idea for a challenge run I want to do. Can you beat Persona 5 without Joker. Just set the party members to act on their own and have joker do nothing. Can the AI win the entire game for you?
It might be possible but it could also be tough
thats pretty much just playing persona 3
@@8bitmb933 false. There’s no mitsuru using Marin Karin for absolutely no reason absolutely throwing the entire fight causing a rage quit.
Late but there's someone on CZcams who actually did this. It was a truly painful experience.
Persona 5 Royal, but Joker wins by doing nothing
I never knew Futaba got dejected if you agreed with the cognition about her. That's.... Tough
Technically Hard is more difficult than Merciless for all non boss fights, the 3x multiplier is broken as hell. This was really enjoyable anyway, tho. After watching this I want to do a run opposite of this, so basically a "Joker gets carried" run.
I kinda wanna see him defeating the okumura boss on hard. Wouldnt be surprised if it was impossible.
That's easy though
@@512TheWolf512 I mean, the game is easy🤣 especially when you've beaten it 10+ times. Having essentially a dead team member, one that actually can't die or its game over, "limits" what you can do. I got through the game rather quickly but it was still a fun twist
I disagree, honestly. Sure, 3x multiplier, but in a game where you can easily get a fusion accident which gives you a free SP persona, have a DLC persona that fully refills your SP, and a lot of ways to get SP items, SP doesn't matter that much. And you don't always want a shadow to be instantly dead. Finally, considering how hard mode is so non-challenging that you don't even have to care about which element the enemy attacks with, a mode where that is punished with death makes fights at the very least require some sort of thought. And mind you, I completed P5 Hard Mode _without buying protectors for the first 5 palaces._ Because I did not realise you could do that. If Merciless killed me more often than Hard without protectors did, I think it's fair to say that both modes are easy as pie, it's just that one actually is able to punish you.
@@Ze_eT merciless doesn't punish you lmao, it rewards you. Oneshot everything
I'm just lost at everyone calling you Akechi without questions
Persona 5 but you play it like Akechi: All alone.
You’re not wrong, you should be, but you aren’t.
I’m impressed with the amount of research you did to actually make Joker and Arsene only possible on merciless new game.
Don’t think I’ve ever seen that clip of demotivated Futaba vs Cognac Wakaba. Lol thanks for your sacrifice.
bro u are seriously under rated keep it up that amazing work my guy :)
I thought of legitimately tackling the Solo, Merciless part a few days ago, and the _very next day_ I found this!
Since you had to use a skill slot for Rakukaja in order to defeat the true final boss, I feel like you could _possibly_ have made it at least a little easier by learning Heat Riser instead; I'm sure you can figure out how that would've been helpful. ;)
Oh Heat Riser was definitely a much better choice to get, it was partially cuz I was lazy in doing demon negotiation while also thinking it’d be funny if my final arsene had a skill like Rakukaja for the final boss lmao
@@TatsuHaven In fairness, believe you could easily have fused Magatsu-Izanagi Picaro and itemized him for a Heat Riser card, rather than trying to negotiate with enemies in the true final palace.
That aside, I've been putting in some thought for how I might tackle my own version of this run; I'm honestly not sure which/how many of these points you may or may not have figured out in your own run, so don't be surprised if I cover something you already knew.
For starters, I *think* it might be possible to redeem DLC before Ryuji's awakening; if so, then I'm wondering: were you able to try the ARM PC in this fight? I'm curious as to whether the stat boosts would make a great enough difference (but don't quite recall if DLC can be redeemed this early).
As for Kamoshida's Palace proper, did you happen to find and use the Breeze Ring in your run? Because there are quite a few Wind-weak enemies that are easy to defeat until the Archangel+Angel encounters near the throne room (I wouldn't be surprised if these were your choice enemies for level grinding, since they have easily exploitable weaknesses in Curse and Gun). Berith might be best saved until later.
For Kamoshida, I might use the ARM PC again just to speed up the fight.
Madarame's Palace: since the Atom Ring is handed out here, capturing Regent is a breeze and defeating Shiki-Ouji and Arahabaki may be possible before unlocking the Electric Chair. I'm also considering fusing a new Arsene earlier, and I think it's possible as early as level 16; one possible chain might be as follows: Regent + Agathion = Slime (inherit Mighty Gaze trait and Maragi, Mabufu, Mazio, and either Magaru, Mafrei, or Mapsi as the fourth skill) --> Hua Po + Slime = High Pixie (inherit same trait and skills) --> High Pixie + Obariyon = *Arsene* (ditto). If level 16 is reached in the first part of this infiltration, future fights should become easier after this once Arsene is caught up on EXP.
For the Madarame fight, I might have my single-target spells be either Agilao+Zionga *or* Bufula+Garula. I feel like it might be worth trying to see if it's any faster than having Agilao+Bufula or Zionga+Garula. Also, I might consider adding Rakunda to speed up the fight, if I have enough blank cards for all of this.
Kaneshiro's Palace: I don't think I have much to say until the first Fusion Alarm, aside from slotting Mapsi and Makajama for Take-Minakata and Bufula for Cerberus. Here, I might fuse and itemize Shiki-Ouji for Triple Down and Orpheus Picaro for Maragidyne, and also Kaguya Picaro for Diarahan at some point beforehand. By this point, I think I should also have enough money to buy a Crimson Necklace from the one shop in Kichijoji. This is because Maragidyne boosted by Mighty Gaze and Fire Amp is a heck of a lot stronger than Agidyne boosted by neither, while Diarahan makes it possible to heal less often and not have to worry about running out of beads/bead chains. Also, it may be worth washing the Sooty Ghastly Gear from Kamoshida's palace to get the Old Pajamas or especially the Succubus Pajamas, since resisting or nulling Sleep via body armor frees up the accessory slot for the aforementioned Crimson Necklace. I might also try to shock both the bodyguard and hitman with the Riot Police E, then follow up with a Stun Gun on Kaneshiro if I down the former. Next turn, I should most certainly be able to cast Mafrei twice or even thrice, then follow up with Maragidyne and see if that kills both goons.
Futaba's Palace: I might get Magarula for the Mot fights, while keeping Makajama to deny the coffins the opportunity to rattle me. Alilat might be easy with the above Maragidyne combo as long as I don't get downed by Bufudyne in return.
For Cogntive Wakaba, I might slot Null Phys from Izanagi Picaro instead of Repel Phys from Kaguya Picaro, plus the aforementioned Triple Down if I didn't slot it already. This should make the fight less of a joke, ideally.
Okumura's Palace: I think I might try the palace without any additional -dyne spells (Maragidyne only goes so far here), although I might equip the Crystal of Greed and finally slot Repel Phys. Other than that, not much to say.
Niijima's Palace: Also not much to say for most of the palace; not even for the Will Seed guardian. For the big boss fight, I might take advantage of the Special Treatment this one time to fuse Atavaka for a Brave Blade card, then fuse Rangda and trigger a Fusion Alarm at some point for Eigaon. Besides that, all other skills will be passive just so I can mimic the version of Arsene that appears in the introductory version of the escape scene.
Shido's Palace: I might get (Ma-)Psiodyne, Maziodyne, (Ma-)Bufudyne, and Freidyne with specifically the midbosses in mind. For Kali and Dakini x2, I might try Marakunda, Repel Phys, and Maziodyne with Shock Boost. If I max the Tower by this point, I might shoot Kali directly for the lulz.
For Shido, I think I will use Network Fusion to get Almighty Boost+Amp, then strengthen Arsene so he gets those in addition to Megidolaon. This might also be the point when I fuse Magatsu-zanagi Picaro for the aforementioned Heat Riser, and I might have my Physical attack be God's Hand if I even use it here.
Depths: I might slot Magarudyne, Mafreidyne, Mamudoon, Marakunda, and Repel Ice, while keeping Megidolaon, Repel Phys, and Almighty Amp. Actually, I might pre-build Arsene for the final fight of this area, register, customize him with the aforementioned skills, dismiss him, then resummon him to immediately be ready.
Royal Palace: I think I will be going for a lot of Technical damage here, with a different strategy for each fixed fight.
For the final boss' first form, I think I will go for a more offensive approach, by melee-attacking the Phys-weak tentacle and using the follow-up turns for Heat Riser, Concentrate, and Megidolaon in order, with Diarahan as necessary. For the second form, I might try the Gauntlet as you did, the Fish God's Badge if it actually does anything, or even the Divine Pillar if I think t's possible to reliably tank two attacks in a row before healing that way. Plus, I might keep Almighty Boost instead of Enduring Soul if I'm feeling like a daredevil...
You just got a new sub man, looking forward to your next runs!
Okumora's airlock can easily be done by only hitting the minimum amount of switches. That's literally the answer to it
Right i struggled so bad with it on p5 but in p5 royal a few years later i first tried it without a second thought
Wow congrats on beating this challenge, I look forward to your future runs :)
Dam your crazy for doing this, great job!
This was a really cool run! Awesome job!
How the hell do you not have 1k subs with this high quality videos. You have my sub and hopefully many more.
Please make more like this I didn’t want the vid to end!!!
Keep up the great work my guy 👍
Bro. This video is pretty good you deserve at least 20k subs
There's so many Megaten challenge videos nowadays... I love it!
Good Video man. Looking forward to more :)
Most recommend to use the best magic reducing armor and the reaper's drop which is an item that gives firm stance removing dodge chance but halfs all damage
That joker combo was sick, no cap
The zero to death was clean 🤌
7K only??? You deserve more for this video keep up the work👍
people tell me i kinda look like joker from persona 5
This video is very well done,and l like it to much.
I look so much like Joker Persona 5
I wish you didn't abuse dlc for repel phys that early, but watching this video was definitely worth it for the memes.
Using DLC and abusing it are different things.
@@ArcessitorEarly Repel Phys is early Repel Phys
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN DISCOURGE FUTABA IN THE BOSS FIGHT, THAT'S SO SAD 😔
Fr. 😔
Mega good video, your super underrated my dude
Hey man, it's Hydro you should go to WK17 next year
Ryuji's awakening fight is actually beatable, the second guard who appears before the gun tutorial on 4/12 respawns, providing an infinite exp source, you just have to grind up for awhile.
recording of beating the fight on my potato pc:
(ng, i used hard, but merciless works too) czcams.com/video/Qik-n03S4Yk/video.html
Thank you so much for this, if I ever make a small vid to tie up loose ends like this
You saved my life from rng hell
Great video bro
This is a great video! I'll show it to my boyfriend and family. Do you by any chance have a link to the Spongebob Ryuji call meme so I can have it? It was a hilarious meme.
Late,but wanted to say good vid. I probably won’t ever do a run like this though.
Also fun fact I’m probably the only one who enjoys the Okumurs air lock puzzle
I liked it
@@zentura7189
Nice
I actually really liked that puzzle...except for that moment near the end where I fucked up the green doors and had to spend 2 minutes fixing my mistake
The football scene with Morgana at 14:17 was very funny!
It took me so long to realise you were using the arm pc for stat buffs against madarame. I was using wardens baton, kuzunoha tubes and looking at all equipment in the game to find one that buffs all stats 😭😭😭
“Our leader’s gone through shit because of you! It’s on!” Ryuji’s a true friend to Joker, always having his back no matter what. I loved his character in Royal and Strikers, loved the challenge (sorry for being late)
There are 2 parts to Persona 5/Persona 5 Royal that, in my opinion, hold the game back from being truly amazing: Morgana's little temper tantrum and Okumura's Palace.
Biggest reason behind the difficult of Okumura's Palace is trying to complete Okumura's Palace in 1 day is such a pain because of the constant SP drain due to Girimehkala and Arahabaki requiring magic to take 'em out for the first half.
The game IS truly amazing
By that point in the game SP becomes a non issue tbh. Even in this video, using only Joker he didn't have huge problems with SP, and if you consider that most players will have 6 more characters than that who can all hold SP recovery items it's pretty chill
I forgive Morgana because he has somewhat of an identity crisis and Ryuji is being a dumbshit like always, talking and then nobody says anything to reprimand him
But yeah Okumura palace is hell, mostly navigation, SP is a non-issue once you get access to coffee and curry (and level up Sojiro)
Fun fact: the music that is played in the yaldabaoth fight is also the same music played when u dance on the last level of persona 5 dancing in starlight
I don't know if you're just memeing or not, if not my bad but the ost you're talking about is the music that plays during the fight...
its actually really easy to beat the game with only arsene if you get the right builds and if he were doing NG+. Especially on Merciless
The Tatsuya chilling on the left is so cute
he’s the best :)
Dope vid
2/11/2023 UPDATE: agenericuser (Louis Enjoyer) pointed out in a comment that one of the guards before the 4/12 tutorial respawns, allowing for some grind time before the Ryuji awakening fight! Here's their vid showing it's possible without pure luck: czcams.com/video/Qik-n03S4Yk/video.html
A couple of things to note that I didn't mention in the video because wow I did not want to make this video any longer than it already was:
I used Fusion Alarms + The Gallows to quickly increase Arsene's stats to 99 across the board after the fight with Shido.
To do any meaningful damage to Yaldabaoth, I had to fuse a new Arsene with Almighty Boost and Almighty Amp through Network Fusion, because without those skills I wasn't even doing over 490ish. Which means starting with a near Level 1 Arsene and having to get their stats maxed all over again, which took a LONG time.
Not sure what my next run will be for Royal, but I do have one for Golden on the way soon(update, it's live on the channel!)
edit: just got told I called Shido's Palace: Cruiser of "Wrath" when he's Pride
gdi LOL
Couldn't you have just fused a Persona with almighty boost and almighty amp on him?
This video is great
I know this is a video that was made a over half a year ago but for Adam Kadmon couldn't u have used Divine Pillar (half dmg) and firm stance to half damage which because Adam Kadmon does 1300 would do half 650 then then half again so 325 or would they not stack together also great video but it is worth noting that the holy grail from what I've heard stops healing after a couple of times with solo Joker (I think it's once but it could be more)
I think you could've simply fused a separate Persona with Almighty Boost+Amp, then given those to Arsene via gallows fusion. It's more reliable if the sacrificial Persona's skills are mostly ones the strengthened Persona can't inherit (i.e., duplicate skills and inheritance-type-restricted skills).
But if Shido's pride, isn't that the same as Madarame's?
The only unused sin left is sloth
The message Part was hilarious
the thief from the town in futabas palace does have a weakness... guns
Must be a hellish challenge
21:22 it’s cruiser of pride, wrath is futaba’s palace.
ur the best persona 5 player who is not a speed runner
hell yea brother
I actually tried this on my first playthrough because i came to it from smash and didn't want to deviate from him
I got past kaneshiro and then stopped (yes, i was on merciless too)
27:19 they don’t call you MKLeo for nothing
Futaba’s Palace is *chef’s kiss*
the goro akechi killed me
Wait are all out attacks allowed or are hold ups only for recruitment
I would die to look like Takuto Maruki 🥺
I love that this game's balance is like dark souls'. Yeah if you don't try too hard to get every buff and exploit every mechanic the experience is very well paced and there's a sense of challenge throughout, but watch any challenge run of these two games and you'll figure out just how stupid fucking broken you can make your character if you really try to optimise what the game gives you
I’m sorry dude but that combo in smash was devious
Ryuji Dies, except he doesn't, except he does XD
I'm kinda lookin like joker persona 5 rn
before starting to watch the video i predict that starting 2nd palace it gets easier, 3rd even easier and at the 4th palace treassure reached, it becomes a joke until maybe final boss.
Holy shit those palace transitions are clean as fuck!
1:25 mans playing 4D chess there hahaha
i just remembered that you named your character goro akechi so sometimes i would get confused which akechi you were talking about
To make a long video short.
Yes you can win considering incense sets and Skill cards can make any sort of battle easy especially because of the 3 times multiplier. If you cover your weakness you’re unstoppable this game is very easy
Somewhat “pretty much yea” but I do think it wasn’t a completely easy playthrough. There were def some roadblocks IMO
The 3x multiplier doesn’t help out much against most end palace bosses, particularly the end game ones. I feel the last two can catch people offguard, either due to large damage output, damage spongey-ness(even the last two mini bosses in Shido’s palace with took forever with the damage reduction on regular moves), or both.
3x def makes regular enemy encounters easier but they were easy to begin with. I did the first two palaces with both Merciless and Hard to see which I should continue with and went with Merciless cuz Hard was surprisingly easier.
You’d think Madarame would be harder without 3x damage multiplier, but without the regular damage decrease, I got through the first phase easy and did enough damage to keep up with his second phase. Hard could’ve potentially become more difficult than Merciless later on, but maybe that’s something I’ll explore another day 🤔
you made futaba sad after her persona awakened? You monster!
I cannot wait to watch this 🥲
How did you max your health that early in the run? It’s been a while since I played, but if you’re not doing NG+ I don’t think it should be possible to reach max health that early.
Majority of my free time was spent at the gym and training at home. That + protein made it possible
joker's journey is just like mine
Alone
I know this video is like two years old now but, Madarames will seed crystal removes all of weaknesses, meaning that madarame wouldn’t have been able to target any of joker’s weaknesses
the endinf of the video is watched the most XD
I’ve been told I resemble morgana as a cat
the most canon run of p5r
thats my GOAT 7:36
I am surprised you did not use the Crystal/Ring of Vanity to rrmove your Ice weakness. It would make Madarame easier
The Artist's Grace would like to have a word with you.
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 That's your cue to guard, really.
Also, Crystal of Vanity would still give more breathing room against the paintings
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 Guarding only protects against one weakness hit, plus The Artist's Grace overrides Brush of Vanity's weakness-neutralizing effect (I think). Also, it's not possible to upgrade will seed accessories before their respective palaces are deleted, so no Bleeding Dry Brush (and even that would take a valuable turn to use and only drain one attack.
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 While Painter's Grace does bypass Crystal of Vanity's weakness removal, on the turns you are not hit with that, you don't have to pray to dodge Silent Snowscape
I think it's kinda cute that the only person Joker let's help him is his younger sister
Who?
@@handhelder823 Futaba
Ok next have just you in the party and beat it lol
My ranking of the hardest boss fights in persona 5 from easiest to hardest
In my opinion
1.Kamoshida
2.Adam kadmon
3.wakaba
4.Madarame
5. Sae
6.okumura
7. Kanishiro
8.akechi
9. Shido
10.holy grail
11.yaldabaoth
12.azathoth
i kinda look like joker from persona 5
i’m thinking about trying this challenge, what’s the best/most efficient way to raise arsene’s stats?
iirc after you reach the treasure in the 4th palace you unlock access to the Gallows which you can use to directly boost Arsene's stats. If you trigger a Fusion Alarm and fuse a new persona, that persona will glow and you'll be warned that a fusion accident might happen if you use them for anything. Put Arsene in the gallows and sacrifice that new Persona for Arsene and he'll gain 10 randomly distributed stat points, it doesn't matter what persona you sacrificed for it. I think you can do this repeatedly in the same metaverse visit so if you want you could have maxed out stats before the 4th boss.
To raise the odds of Fusion Alarms rank up Chihaya's confidant
@@TatsuHaven appreciate it, haven’t played 5 in years and forgot all about the fusion alarm mechanics. only remembered using incense while jailing personas but recall that being quite time consuming so i didn’t think that could be the most efficient way
Technically it is possible.
Ryuji the whole run: 💀
Fuck yeah
At outro/thoughts, what’s the background music u used?
Our Light(credits theme from P5R)
@@TatsuHaven thank u. :)
Strikers when
So, isnjoker based off the clown serial killer?
Or are they playing cards
Are seen sounds like arson….so serial killer?
i think for now you can complete the game so easily just make arsene got null all the most and get almight skill
His name is Ren Amamiya.
BTW, it's the cruiser of pride not wrath
Eventually.
personally i think that this would have been harder on hard, after all, the merceless difficulty is literally easier
I tried it on both Hard and Merciless up to completing the 2nd palace on both ends, and had a surprisingly much easier time on Hard.
The 0.65x damage dealt is a real blow. I know the 3x damage on technicals/weaknesses is a boon, but against most bosses it's not much of a factor(namely the end palace bosses).
I thought Madarame would be more difficult on Hard compared to Merciless because his copies in the 2nd phase have weaknesses, but in reality, it was easier on Hard since I did a lot more damage to the paintings of the first phase(which was the main roadblock of the fight). The 2nd phase is simple on both difficulties.
The average enemy is easier on Merciless for sure, but IMO the bosses are overall harder. And personally, boss difficulty is what matters more to me, especially when basic enemy encounters aren't much trouble anyways regardless of the difficulty.
Training confidants in this run is a waste of time. Either grinding mementos or abusing the gym is the way to go
Can you beath persona 5 with only joker and arsene, no items, no equips, on merciless?
After doing this challenge with harsher rules at the beginning I hate Jack frost now
why’d thecatyle change I have royal and that didn’t show neither this part 28:08
I'm on my first play through, and I forgot I put it on merciless
Can you beat P5 without Ren?