I feel like both the 2003 anime and Brotherhood complement each other. What Brotherhood lacks 2003 excels in, but what 2003 lacks Brotherhood excels in.
@@vincegalila7211 say that to the ever expanding space that is all around us lol or gravity or emotions, things unseen are often the most real and most constant figures that hold things together, But the fool has said in his heart "there is no God" cause without God their is no objective purpose to the universe and humans as a whole. so then you can justify whatever is "right in your own eyes" like the bible also says
I honestly felt FMA 2003 had a much darker setting and theme(s). A little inconsistent, but what show isn't? I watched both series and enjoyed them both for different reasons. Brotherhood felt like a cool fantasy adventure. FMA 2003 felt like a dark philosophical story. It tugged at my heart and gave me a sense that human beings are truly disgusting creatures at times. While I didn't like what they did with Dante visually (weird dresses for no reason), I liked the concept that the stone transferred her soul from one body to another. It's dark, cruel, and sadistic. She'd turn hundreds of people into a stone and sacrifice a (probably) innocent woman to extend her life for a few more years. I also loved the concept that her soul was rotting and there was no magic or alchemy that could save her.
Eamonn K Being killed by Gluttony is suppose to symbolizes her most grievous sin (which is wanting more and more to the point of waste rather than eating in this case), something which ultimately consume her.
TaydebearProductions I like both too. It shows how can some event actualy make alternative story. Or what if that did not occured but that occured instead :)
Say, there something that always botter me in that scene: Is there a scene where Ed actually tells his father's name To Izumi before that scene in the first anime? I mean there is one in Brotherhood, but never in the first anime, but it should since knowing that Hoenheim was Ed and Al father in this vers should have been a true shock considering his past with Dante...
The fascinating, frankly brilliant side of this to me is you would expect someone willing to screw with the nature of the undead, fling countries into endless war, endorse genocide, all that stuff, would be someone with a deep, complex motivating drive. But Dante is a great villain in how ridiculously petty she is. All that war, all that destruction, not for a messed up understanding of morality, not to justify a meaningful end. Just to perserve her pathetic life just a little longer.
Alice Eliot It seems like a simple question but there's a lot to consider. No one can say for sure they wouldn't turn into Dante so you could say it's all the reason you need.
That's exactly what made her interesting. That pettiness. Her fear of death and just fueling her own self-serving desires. Brotherhood was by no means a bad story, and neither is the manga, but Father is as generic as they get. Dante is a more refreshing villain because it seems rare anymore for villains to be written like that. All they ever want to do anymore is to just rule the world, defeat mankind, etc.
Dante is especially disturbing because of how sound of mind she is performing these atrocities. She thinks it's okay to steal the souls of millions of people and use them to extend her own wretched life. She even has the gull to try and act like a normal person, wanting a twisted family and manipulating the hearts of people who trust her. Father, deep down, was a needy child wanting his own father's approval. He was emotionally weak and was one-dimensional in his nature; wanting power for the sake of power. Dante, however, was much more sinister than that: she justifies her own abominable existence with the reasoning that humanity is evil. The worst part of it, though? She's partially right. Humanity is very evil at times, performing what no other creature on this earth is capable of. What she didn't understand, however, is that humanity is capable of great good as well. And that's what lead to her downfall.
@@sorosoro2690 You can start with a problem that someone would want to solve (humanity's great capacity for evil and dying of old age are examples) and figure out how someone not bound by morality would solve that problem. A villain is the hero of their own story, so what is their goal and why does it conflict with the protagonist(s)?
Honenheim is the representation for the 'right' part of her ideology about humans in Brotherhood. Honestly Honenheim is much better in fmab compared to fma. I like a villain like father because he dosen't has much complex feelings about humanity but his ideologies instead seem to serve the purpose of his creation by humans. Him being one dimensional was kinda justified by the fact of him making the homunculi. He dosen't give a very good final boss feeling because he is himself solely a representation of human sin and thus the series convey the 'humanity is it's own enemy' concept better than original. Honenheim, having similar fate as them and also being a foil character to both the main villains too is better played out in brotherhood . Actually overall brotherhood may have a handicap in terms of maturity compared to original but it is way more symbolic at the same time. What I am trying to prove is that Father isn't a 'bad guy doing bad things because he is bad' typical character.
@@magolor7856 I think it became after their son's death and the creation of Envi and the subsequent departure of Hohenheim who couldn't stand what he had created
While Father was definitely more powerful I would have to say that Dante was a much more...haunting villain for a number of reasons: 1. Dante was human and from what little was shown of her past it seemed she did genuinely love Ed's father which made how completely twisted she had become utterly terrifying and made me wonder if I had the kind of power she had and lived as long as she had would I have turned out like her? Knowing her story you can't help but see the absolute worst in human nature in her and think that we all probably have the capacity to be that evil. 2. Father by comparison was not human and his mentality was much closer to a deity than anything else, therefore it's much harder to see a real human element in him especially after he removed his seven deadly sins. 3. Father's philosophical stand point that humans were essentially pathetic ants who could never amount to more than fuel for the Philosopher's Stones was thoroughly refuted by the way he was defeated. It wasn't just Ed and Al but an entire army consisting of not just the national military but numerous foreign fighters from differing ethnic and religious background including a sizable force from a people who were almost completely exterminated by that very nation less than a decade or two prior all of them acting to various extent for the selfless goal of protecting the people of Amestris. 4. Dante's philosophy which was essentially a mix of "humans are bastards" and "just because you work and apply yourself, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll receive something of equal value" was in no way refuted by her death, if anything it was strengthened. The latter point was more explicitly supported in that basically all her scheming and plotting (which must have constituted a ton of work and effort) was essentially undone by a couple of teenage boys and then she was subsequently and ironically killed by the deranged Gluttony. The former point still stood because unlike Father's downfall which involved a great effort by a divers army of people, Dante's downfall was the result of roughly a dozen perhaps two people who all had reasons to be loyal to Amestris itself and the biggest players (Ed and Roy) admitted that they were not entirely motivated by high ideals. Furthermore, although they were manipulated by Dante through Pride, people still followed orders even when it was to commit atrocities and it was at least implied that this occurred on a fairly regular basis and there was nothing to show them making up for those deeds. Like I said Father was definitely more powerful but I still find Dante to be one of the most haunting villains I've ever seen and this tune really captures that aspect of her brilliantly
Devin Lance My problem with father was he was just too stereotypical anime villain where as Dante was unique, she posed more of an intellectual and philosophical challenge that couldn't necessarily be overcome just by punching her enough
I'm tired of all the "Brotherhood is better, FMA (2003) sucks" "FMA (2003) is better, Brotherhood sucks" Oh, come on, i think both are excellent in their own way, both are my favorite anime, so stop. (Sorry for my bad english)
I liked Winry's character in the 03 series, and,when Hughes died, i cried ;-;, but knowing what came in, i didnt in Brotherhood. I really enjoyed both series
i liked both but the only thing i really hated about brotherhood was that they made Ed seem weaker. in 2003 he can kick butt. in brotherhood they beat up on him too easily.
One of the best villains of all time. Selfish, greedy, manipulative and merciless yet she keeps a calm and innocent disguise. Oh and for the comparison between the 2 series, both were brilliant, the only difference was: - FMA was adult-themed and mature, so kids don't like it that much - FMA:B was more of teenage-oriented
Darker =/= more mature. I think FMA:B had more going on philosophically than FMA2003. Brotherhood also had more dumb shonen bullshit weighing it down, unfortunately, but I think it was smarter on the thematic level despite that.
Bwahaha! FMA isn't more adult themed. Don't delude yourself with that nonsense trying to make FMA better than it was by pretending it was somehow more mature than brotherhood People prefer brotherhood because it follows the manga and is objectively a much better show.
Everyone calls Dante crazy. Evil. Cowardly for her miserable life. And it really is. And also everyone believes that Hohenheim left her for this very reason. But... Let's not confuse cause and effect. What was Dante originally like? We can learn this from her own words in the following dialogue: "Al: - Dante, why did you decide to become an alchemist? Dante: - Well, the reason was quite ordinary. I just wanted to help people. People need alchemy. Although this does not mean that you can not do without it. And yet, alchemy helps to make people happy. It would be nice if the efforts of those who strive for happiness were always rewarded. That's how I thought." Why do I think she was telling the truth? Because her current views are literally saturated with nihilism, rejection of people. Only a person who was once sincerely (and naively) convinced of the opposite can come to such a pronounced nihilism. But apparently, at some point she met Hohenheim and fell in love with him... And instead of helping people, she blindly helped him in all his apparently scientific affairs. In the creation of the Philosopher's stone in particular. They have ruined many lives for their own purposes. I believe that the main initiator of the search for the philosopher's stone was Hohenheim. But Dante looks in this case like the one who just blindly follows her beloved. And so, her lover almost died. She can't let him die. She saves him, at the cost of someone else's life. Let's be honest, quite a few of us would have done the same. And what's next? They live together like lovers. Dante gives birth to a child from Hohenheim. They raised him for 18 years until he died... Then they decide to revive his son, but only a homunculus, the future Envy, is born. And what does Hohenheim do? He's just... Left Dante. He left his son. Yes, it was a homunculus, but so what? He was aware of himself as the son of Hohenheim. Envy felt like the same person, had all his memories. Envy felt almost the same as Edward, being also abandoned by the same father. Dante... Can you imagine how she felt? Left alone in such a situation, being no longer with the most stable mind, it is natural that she went completely mad. And all why? Because Hohenheim is a coward. He did not take responsibility for the Envy. He did not take responsibility for the one who sincerely loves him. He left Dante literally in Hell. Alone. She was left by the man she loved, whose life she once saved at the cost of another person's life. I don't think many people can boast that they could have kept their sanity in such a situation. And what do we see after 400 years? Both continue to jump from one body to the other. Dante has finally become disillusioned with humanity, and out of her despair continues to prolong her meaningless life. And Hohenheim does the same. Moreover, unlike his magnificent version from the Brotherhood, the Hohenheim of Light did not dare to tell Trisha the whole truth about himself. And again he abandoned his sons. It's funny to realize that Edward and Envy have a lot in common in this regard. They are even more brothers than one could imagine. And the most disgusting thing is that Hohenheim has not learned lessons from the past. What does he do when he meets Lieutenant Maria Ross? He's fucking flirting with her! Moreover, seeing that she takes it seriously. He just keeps playing with people's feelings. Knowing that he had once driven Dante to madness with such irresponsibility. And at the same time, later hypocritically declaring to Dante that he is married when she hints to him about "testing her new young body." And then their dialogue, which finally makes it clear what a pathetic person Hohenheim is. "Hohenheim: - Trisha was the FIRST and ONLY woman I ever loved" Dante: - Really? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you whisper tender words of love to me four centuries ago Hohenheim: "Let's not talk about it..." Very nasty of him. If Van Hohenheim is a hero, then the Hohenheim of Light is an irresponsible coward who simply abandoned everyone when anyone needed him. Someone who has not learned any lessons from his mistakes, and continues to take people's lives. And Dante... Yes, she has turned into a monster who has lost all the positive part of her humanity. And even in this situation, it is clear that she still retains feelings for Hohenheim and her pain. Almost perfectly hiding it behind his monster disguise. If you look at it this way, then Dante is a woman with a very sad fate. Therefore, it is fundamentally wrong to say that Hohenheim left her because she is insane. Cause and effect should not be confused.
Hohenheim is still a crap person but Dante is a user because she used Greed and manipulated him. She's just as much as a user as Hohenheim and even worse than it than him.
@@starwarsfamilyguy0 Can you really call it romantic when Hohenheim seemingly dated any young woman he saw? and Dante's comment of her "being an innocent when they met" isn't really something you expect to hear in relation to the father of the protagonist
Excellent in-depth analysis. Dante is meant as a villain but it seems clear to me that it was Hohenheim the driving force behind creating and using their first Stone...Then their family and enterprise failed and he left, leaving a lot of despair in her and their homonculus. Their story has still a great part of mystery though. But Dante seems so very human. She's a relatable villain. Who's not afraid of ageing and dying? Who would not be tempted by power, eternal life, beauty, a family and having the love of one's life under your hand ?
This by far my favorite song from the soundtrack! So beautiful and hounting at the same time!! The first time I heared it I got chills! also! Does someone else hears Hohenheim in the first few seconds she is singing??! I think I'm going insane!
I love this song. The whole FMA vs. FMAB thing is really hard for me to decipher, because both were amazing. Some characters were more complex in Brotherhood (like Havoc, Hawkeye, and Kimblee), and some were more complex in the first anime (like Lust, Mustang, and Trisha). Brotherhood had Ling, Lan Fan, May Chang, Olivier, Father, Miles, and Selim!Pride, and the first anime had Russell, Fletcher, Anime!Wrath, Anime!Sloth, Alfons, Noah, and Dante. All the Homunculi were amazing, and Reflections showed a little more about the ones from the first anime. My biggest problem in both Brotherhood and the 2003 anime is the lack of character development the Homunculi get. In Brotherhood, I would have liked to have seen how the Homunculi treated each other and how much of a family they were. In the first anime, I'd have like it if their backstories were explored a bit more. There's a lot of subtext centered around the Homunculi, specifically Envy, and it would have been nice to know more about them. That said, Fullmetal Alchemist, no matter what world, is awesome.
Its really hard to compare cause there's characters I like better in both series. FMA-The homunculi, The Elric brothers, Kimblee, Shou Tucker, Rose, Izumi. FMAB-Roy and Riza, Havoc, Hohenheim, King Bradley. Then some characters I liked equally in both such as Scar. Then some exclusive characters that were good FMA-Frank Archer, Dante, Sloth(2003). FMAB-Ling, Father, Olivier. I preffered FMA's beginning but didn't like the ending. Both great stories guys you don't have to choose one.
Hoenhiem of light. A demon of fright. So swift to ignite the flames of the night. Dancing in the shadows, in the mantel of death. And so in light he knows, one day will be his final breath.
Honestly, I loved the character Dante in the initial, 2003 series. Her objective is simple, yet still twisted. Her character and this music blend beautifully together to create this eerie, foreboding presence. Possessive, chaotic, and simply, amazing. I really wish that the previous soundtrack were used in the 2009 series however.
that was my first anime too, and at first it was hard watching brotherhood, but ive watched both many times and just enjoy brotherhood better, both are awesome, they got me into anime *****
I really miss Dante in Brotherhood. And the music. But I'm super happy that this anime has 2 versions. When I started watching FMA Brotherhood it felt like a parallel universe because many things are the same but the plot gets piece by piece further away from FMA's plot.
True words of wisdom. I also have another quote I live by along the same line a your's, "If one person gives a child a corndog, then that child receives a corndog."
I like both FMA, they are different. FMAB leave a long-lasting impression on me when Father took God.. It was a great climax. Northern invasion was great, and Fuhrer Bradley was... more badass than FMA (2003) FMA (2003) had a more complex homunculus personalities, parallel world, no "God", more on science. I really wish there is a new FMA that combines both FMA and FMAB into the same world.
Seizhin Amuro I would love to see a spin off that goes more in-depth on what alchemy is, like how the new Harry potter movies are gonna be on a book written about creatures where it follows the writer.
+GrimaceBSX Oh man, that'd be sick! They'd have even more room to develop Amestris' backstory and The Gate mechanics, and we'd finally get to see how Conqueror of Shamballa was really supposed to be! (More than three hours of script was cut from the movie, and that's nuts!)
Comparison comparison comparison! Let's all compare the different versions of the show even though it's completely unrelated to the topic of this video guys!
It's weird but to me Envy is 2003 is cool. He seems like just a psychopath until the end when you find out why he is the way he is and that his goal is to kill the one who made him, and his lines are really cool because of that. Whereas his brotherhood counterpart seemed to be just a psychotic animal that's dumb enough to smugly reveal he killed hughes to mustang. Don't get me wrong Envy in brotherhood does work with his personality in a cool way but I prefer 2003 's all.
Something about this theme... It feels a lot more like evil then many such themes. It gives the feeling of an impossibly old creature... and a darkness. Such an ancient darkness...
While I like Brotherhood for the story, there are things in FMA that overshadow it, like this theme for example, so melancholy and sad, and Mustang's theme as well, including several Alex Armstrong moments like how he greeted Mr. Curtis, and his 'Proof,' about his accusations about King Bradly.
I feel as though Dante was a much better villain than Father despite being underdeveloped. The '03 series to me had more of a dark depressing story unlike brotherhood. I still like brotherhood though just not as much as the original.
+Bridgit Graddy IMO, they are both perfect for each of their series, Mangahood was the story of the country of Amestris and it's people, so Father with his grandiose plan to create a country wide transmutation circle so he could eat God fits that story, 03, meanwhile, was the story of the Elric brothers, so Dante, as a twisted mirror of Ed in some ways, fits that story
Anyone else think it's slightly fucked up that Lira dies and no one seems to care? Even when Ed confronts Dante, he doesn't acknowledge that she must have killed Lira to take her body. It just seems quietly tragic.
Top 5 favorite villain themes: 1)The Master Vainglorious- Doctor Who 2) A New World Fool- Persona 4 3) Dante's Theme- Full Metal Alchemist 4) Lady of Gorgon(Medusa's Theme)- Soul Eater 5) Blumenkranz(Ragyo's Theme)- Kill La Kill
I've been searching for this song for a while now. It plays so often and all over the place near the end of Fullmetal Alchemist that I had no idea that it was Dante's theme! Thanks for uploading
Dante is a great example of why I like the '03 version better, she and the rest of the original have 10 million times more subtlety than anything in Brotherhood
***** She was still underdeveloped. Great ideas and a great dark tone, but Brotherhood despite being a bit more comedic actually managed to a tell more coherent and larger story. Also, Brotherhood actually handles it's themes just as maturely.
+The JuanTrueKaiser Compare the story of 2003 Sloth with Brotherhood Sloth haha! Their stories differ, but the first Sloth had a better death and backstory. There are many aspects in the first version better than Brotherhood and vice versa. The love story of Dante and Hohenheim was good too ;)
Well it's better than star of bitch ass niggas, I'm tired of anime movies and seasons were they just shove these things into the timeline and expect it to go on the same. COS had a fantastic followup to fma and ended the story off with a beautiful finish
Honestly who cares which FMA is better? Just enjoy 'em both. Honestly? I think 2003 did a better job with introducing certain characters like Barry the Chopper, because honestly? I remember being genuinely terrified of the dude when he was introduced. Ed's run in with Scar was also kind of intriguing when he briefly toyed with the idea of giving up his State Certification. But Brotherhood's characterization of Scar, his brother, and Kimblee remain better overall in my opinion. I like the design of Rose in 2003 better than her Brotherhood counterpart. Hell, I actually like the storyline better for Rose in 2003 and even Tucker's involvement is a step up. But I think Father is more interesting a villain than Dante, even if Dante presented greater moral dilemmas for the Elrics to solve. Could Brotherhood have had more impactful moments like 2003 did? Certainly. I sorta wish they had honestly revisited older ideas like the Holy Mother storyline. But for what it was? I liked Brotherhood just as much as the 2003 version.
I love both, specially Brotherhood and how they open up to the other countries besides Amestris and Hoenheim plays a more prominent role, but overall I first saw FMA and it's still my favorite, the darkness of like the Nina Arc and when Al is made into a philosopher stone by scar, the fact that Sloth is what Ed & Al created. It's absolutely brilliant, and to this day my favorite anime by a mile. I also enjoyed the movie as well, it provided a sense of closure. Brotherhood has many strengths the last half of the series is amazing, I did hate how they skipped over the Nina and Cornello Arc but they make up for it. I love major Armstrong's sister, she's such a BAMF, plus Lin-Greed, they were my two favorite characters from Brotherhood. But it's true that FMA has strong emotions and a very dark feel to it compared to Brotherhood.
I love FMA, particularly the original series, it was so dark and moving, no anime series has ever done that to me before. I also love the film that followed on from the original series.
I watched both FMA and FMAB but I liked the 2003 version a lot more. It ended pretty messed up and it was sad, but if you want the happy ending you could just watch the movie (I had no idea there was a movie for a long time.) I will say though Brotherhood did feel more complete when I got to the end of it. Both are great I recommend watching both of them.
Mewsical still laughing. Was just asking a question and you came to fight like a 12 year old, at least answer which FMA do you like more. Also, it's really dumb to think you're more special for liking one more than the other. Both are brilliant and you just wanted to make yourself noticed. Worst part is that you did. Sadly it's what happens with hatred.
Just finished watching FMA. This song was always so chilling and creeped me out in the anime, but at the same time it is sort of hauntingly beautiful and so I just had to look it up!
I liked FMA more than FMAB because the story was orginal creative and had much more adult content than FMAB. I loved how it addressed so many philosophical questions also I though the violence was much more graphic in FMA. Idk I just liked it better. Lastly I liked the ending even though it wasn't the happiest. Music was better to obviously or we wouldn't be here lol
Fma would have been my choice if it weren't for the ending. The alternate universe stuff was crap, I mean seriously. Otherwise fma was better than fmab just the ending was way to complex for no reason. Fma just hit harder emotionally, especially with winrys parents
snoboreddotcom I found that too. The soundtrack and the overall focus on emotion in FMA was better, whereas FMAB had more of the content from the actual manga, offered a more meaty story and had vastly superior animation.
Idk if the plot was thicker in fmab that's kinda a push. The story of fma was thick with good character develop with a full range of emotions as you established. Yes the alternate universe was strange but interesting in my opinion. Fmab did have great animation and easier to follow. I liked it but liked fma more. I've never read the manga so I can't comment on that
Jared Bishop The plot offered more in FMAB in terms of story and content, and while it had a lot of the same scenes none of the emotional scenes hit as hard. Maes dying in FMA was considerably more emotional.
Fma 2003 is best imo A dark philosophy and love story. Ed realising Fs. My dad screwed up >.< And Dante trying to cheat death and gain immortality like a mockery of God.
Those listening to this in 2022 know what's up. FMA 2003 was so fucked on so many levels and while I love FMAB for the accuracy to the manga and how well it flowed, 2003 will still be my favorite especially with CoS despite it getting shit on.
I prefer normal FMA over FMA:B. Brotherhood seemed to dumb some of the characters down in parts I thought were obvious. Like the Nina scene. Edward in normal FMA knew right away what had happened. In FMA:B he didn't realize until Nina said something.
That's because FMA03 really made it obvious as hell that Shou Tucker did it to his wife by Ed finding a ridiculous amount of evidence all over the place. In Brotherhood he spent less time with the Tuckers so he didn't see it coming.
Finally someone shares my thought,Lust was amazing in FMA and was kicked out of the game too early in FMAB,I actually like all of the homunculus from FMA better,how Lust wanted to become human,how sloth tried to keep her memories,how Gluttony was desperate after finding out that Lust is dead,I liked Greed in both animes and only Envy was better in FMAB and his death was really something to watch.Overall both versions are great,FMA started better and had a really good ending,but FMAB has the best ending in all anime,that was incredible.
Manoftheworld I agree with most of what you said...but I kinda felt brotherhoods ending was kinda stupid (at least with father's over all main plan) and it kinda ruined it for me...but that is not saying the action was not good...because brotherhood was really good about action moments
I like Brotherhood better. It is also the original author's intended story. The ending and back stories feel more fleshed out in Brotherhood in my opinion. 2003 was also too slow paced in my opinion.
I was sorta high when watching the last stretch of episodes, and this track only helped enhance the jaw dropping revelations that were being made when this track played. Good God, where would we be without music?
it sounds like shes saying Hohenheim! woah woah woah!!! oh!! it just give me chills when i watch the series i love it! this song touches me in my very soul!
I live across the street from a funeral home. I think of this song everytime I see the hearse leading a procession of cars to the church across town. It's an everybody knows everybody kind of community here. Sometimes there's so many cars the PD has to temporarily shut down part of Main Street to prevent accidents.
"Humans are controlled by their sins, and the Philosopher's Stone has power far greater than any weapon ever forged. So I've taken cities. Humans would destroy the world: the lives lost are necessary martyrs, saving mankind from itself. I am the Guardian. The Sheppard of sins. I have to live on, to prevent you humans from doing something foolish with the Stone." "Don't kid yourself! You're a human, just like us!" "Not anymore." I really do prefer Dante as a main antagonist over Father.
I know right? How great is it that we get the characters we love in two different series! I love them both, but I have to say I like Brotherhood more as it really sticks by Ed's original morals. (like not killing people) The first FMA was grounded in realism, proving that you don't always get that nothing is perfect and to be happy with what you have. While there was hardships in Brotherhood, it tried to teach you that if you persevere, things will pay off in the end. (I know it's lame, but I like happy endings)
The reason is the FMA anime was created before the manga was finished. It follows until about the halfway point, then they made their own story. Because it was so popular, that after the manga was completed, the same people who did FMA got permission from the manga creator to do FMA:B (which followed the manga completely.)
Ash Walker I agree. I think overall Brotherhood is better, but you can't appreciate it fully unless you saw the original first. Both of them were incredibly amazing though. The original did a far better job introducing the characters and getting you attached to them, and the villain was way more intriguing. Brotherhood got rid alot of the stupid stuff (in my opinion) from the original, like red water. Also the homunculi made more sense in Brotherhood.
Nick Renford Agreed heavily with you. FMAB rushed everything in an episode or two at max. I did enjoy both of them a lot but when i first began watching FMAB I was like wtf? How about slowing down so you can have a story to tell past episode 10? lol.
If I was basically a vampire betraying every person who trust me, stealing bodies after bodies and living hollow life after hollow life, all due to my pathetic fear of death, with my soul slowly rotting as a bonus, I guess I would be a bit sad, too.
Damn this is a wonderfully creepy motif. Picturing a woman twirling about a ballroom dancing with the fresh corpse of the man who she loved and killed. Especially potent when Lust kills Lujon and derides him as a mere mistake on her part, destroying the stone and dooming the entire village to the restart of a plague SHE and the others inflicted on them in the first place. It's just so overtly chilling. PS: I’ve said this above, but this is THE CREEPIEST anime OST I’ve ever heard in a cartoon. If you played this in a graveyard on a foggy day, you’d be looking around every tombstone praying to whatever you worship a ghoul doesn’t come up looking for flesh. That’s how creepy this is. Terrifying.
Just because it does not follow the manga does not make it a filler. She is indeed a huge part of the conclusion to this anime. A filler is something that is not necessary to the story, but is thrown in there to add more episodes. FMA had a filler episode, that they based off the manga.
While Dante was a better villain than Father, the final battle in FMA2003 was definitely less... impressive. The whole "other earth" was just obnoxious and overcomplicated pedantics. To me, the difference between the two series is best exemplified by the two Sloths. In FMA2003, she is a tragic character, a homunculus imbued with the memories and form of Ed and Al's mom, given life by their hubris and forced to constantly struggle to maintain her own personality. Her existence in the story is a condemnation of Ed and Al and her final defeat, as Ed watches her dissolve into gas as a result of her adoptive homunculus child's impulsive action, is a fittingly tragic symmetry to her birth. Sloth in FMAB is... less tragic. An immovable and unstoppable mountain of muscle, he is mindlessly, relentlessly, and unrepentantly working to create an alchemy that will annihilate millions of lives. He cannot be reasoned with, and it takes the combined forces of four of the series' most powerful alchemists to finally put him down. FMAB is a world that you'd want to live in, it's classic Superman flying through the sky and beating Lex Luthor to the cheers of the people. FMA2003 is closer to Batman, where you see why Mr Freeze is trying to amass wealth, and you can even see yourself rooting for him, but his defeat is necessary for the protection of the people.
Funny comparison, because as a reader of Superman, his world actually resembles that of FMA03... Yeah. forget the superpowers, they're hardly a guarantee he'll win. And Metropolis is just as bleak as Amestria; looks great on the surface but you don't know what demented horror lurks in the streets.
This is one of the most bad ass villain themes ever. I mean, it just sets a mood that is so conniving. It puts you at ease while also striking a very serious tone. Absolutely fantastic.
I hate FMA:B for overshadowing how emotionally powerful the 2003 FMA is. I don't care how much dumb action Brotherhood has, it doesn't make me feel anything.
I stopped watching it the second I realized how dumbed down Father Cornello was. I'll remember the original without ever seeing him again long after I've forgotten what I literally just saw in FMA:B. Just shameful.
i really like FMA 2003 better, the character development was better and it didn't feel rushed and their mum as sloth was much better than that tunnel digging monster.
Music Mania see I prefer brotherhood except for that. I would’ve loved to have seen 2003 Sloth (not looking like Trisha cause Father didn’t know her) but still acting in the same manner. 2003s Sloth was amazing because she exuded the sin of sloth. She didn’t care. She was apathetic. That is how most people are guilty of Sloth. Not just being lazy
Thanks so much for the upload. I don't why but i love this song. It gave me goosebumps every time i heard it watching Full Metal Alchemist . This song might be good for a dramatic dance.
Apparently what I’ve seen online is that the show could have continued and expanded if brotherhood wasn’t being planned during that. 2003 could have gotten an ending like brotherhood in a sense
I watched FMA in 2013... I can’t actually recall most of the series, sadly. However, when I heard this soundtrack it was imprinted in my memory and I got a burst of nostalgia.
I feel like both the 2003 anime and Brotherhood complement each other. What Brotherhood lacks 2003 excels in, but what 2003 lacks Brotherhood excels in.
Read the Manga.
Agree 100%!
Karina Kamichi That would be amazing.
100 % right.
And tonally the manga falls somewhere between the two
I always picture dante sitting in a dark room, her flesh rotting, diabolically smiling at her own curse of immortality. So sober yet so powerful piece
Meanwhile she dissing her zombie son 24-7
"Dante, Theres no such thing as Eternal Life."
There's no such thing as eternal.
@@vincegalila7211 say that to the ever expanding space that is all around us lol or gravity or emotions, things unseen are often the most real and most constant figures that hold things together, But the fool has said in his heart "there is no God" cause without God their is no objective purpose to the universe and humans as a whole. so then you can justify whatever is "right in your own eyes" like the bible also says
*Truth*
"So naive"
so creeped out when I saw Rose dancing to this music
Honesty at first I thought Rose was Envy.
+Mono Nonny I was more creeped out when this song was playing during ed and dante's convo in the ballroom
TheLakers24788 I think that's the same scene.
I legit never thought of that, but I could see it.
I thought it was Dante and that she had already taken Roses body.
I honestly felt FMA 2003 had a much darker setting and theme(s). A little inconsistent, but what show isn't? I watched both series and enjoyed them both for different reasons. Brotherhood felt like a cool fantasy adventure. FMA 2003 felt like a dark philosophical story. It tugged at my heart and gave me a sense that human beings are truly disgusting creatures at times. While I didn't like what they did with Dante visually (weird dresses for no reason), I liked the concept that the stone transferred her soul from one body to another. It's dark, cruel, and sadistic. She'd turn hundreds of people into a stone and sacrifice a (probably) innocent woman to extend her life for a few more years. I also loved the concept that her soul was rotting and there was no magic or alchemy that could save her.
I wouldn't really say BH is any less dark, besides the ending for 2003
TaydebearProductions i agree with you!
Eamonn K Being killed by Gluttony is suppose to symbolizes her most grievous sin (which is wanting more and more to the point of waste rather than eating in this case), something which ultimately consume her.
1114Daisy I didn't say anything about Gluttony
TaydebearProductions I like both too. It shows how can some event actualy make alternative story.
Or what if that did not occured but that occured instead :)
"There was a name never to be spoken in front of her, and that is Hohenheim of Light"
Say, there something that always botter me in that scene: Is there a scene where Ed actually tells his father's name To Izumi before that scene in the first anime? I mean there is one in Brotherhood, but never in the first anime, but it should since knowing that Hoenheim was Ed and Al father in this vers should have been a true shock considering his past with Dante...
The fascinating, frankly brilliant side of this to me is you would expect someone willing to screw with the nature of the undead, fling countries into endless war, endorse genocide, all that stuff, would be someone with a deep, complex motivating drive. But Dante is a great villain in how ridiculously petty she is. All that war, all that destruction, not for a messed up understanding of morality, not to justify a meaningful end. Just to perserve her pathetic life just a little longer.
There's beauty in madness isn't there?
Alice Eliot Is what enough?
Alice Eliot It seems like a simple question but there's a lot to consider. No one can say for sure they wouldn't turn into Dante so you could say it's all the reason you need.
That's exactly what made her interesting. That pettiness. Her fear of death and just fueling her own self-serving desires.
Brotherhood was by no means a bad story, and neither is the manga, but Father is as generic as they get. Dante is a more refreshing villain because it seems rare anymore for villains to be written like that. All they ever want to do anymore is to just rule the world, defeat mankind, etc.
Rowan Buchanan My thoughts exactly!
Dante is especially disturbing because of how sound of mind she is performing these atrocities. She thinks it's okay to steal the souls of millions of people and use them to extend her own wretched life. She even has the gull to try and act like a normal person, wanting a twisted family and manipulating the hearts of people who trust her.
Father, deep down, was a needy child wanting his own father's approval. He was emotionally weak and was one-dimensional in his nature; wanting power for the sake of power. Dante, however, was much more sinister than that: she justifies her own abominable existence with the reasoning that humanity is evil.
The worst part of it, though? She's partially right. Humanity is very evil at times, performing what no other creature on this earth is capable of. What she didn't understand, however, is that humanity is capable of great good as well. And that's what lead to her downfall.
How do you create a truly evil villain with a reason?
@@sorosoro2690 You can start with a problem that someone would want to solve (humanity's great capacity for evil and dying of old age are examples) and figure out how someone not bound by morality would solve that problem. A villain is the hero of their own story, so what is their goal and why does it conflict with the protagonist(s)?
@@infamousXsniper055 I think those types of villains are quite saturated, but those are what we liked the most.
She could saved so many lives but chose to snuff it out
Honenheim is the representation for the 'right' part of her ideology about humans in Brotherhood.
Honestly Honenheim is much better in fmab compared to fma.
I like a villain like father because he dosen't has much complex feelings about humanity but his ideologies instead seem to serve the purpose of his creation by humans. Him being one dimensional was kinda justified by the fact of him making the homunculi. He dosen't give a very good final boss feeling because he is himself solely a representation of human sin and thus the series convey the 'humanity is it's own enemy' concept better than original.
Honenheim, having similar fate as them and also being a foil character to both the main villains too is better played out in brotherhood .
Actually overall brotherhood may have a handicap in terms of maturity compared to original but it is way more symbolic at the same time.
What I am trying to prove is that Father isn't a 'bad guy doing bad things because he is bad' typical character.
LYRICS:
Ho ehh hooo hooohoohoo huoo he hooo huooohuooohoooo....
huohuoho huo huo huo, huohuohuooohooohooo....
hohuehh huooo hoooo hoo hooo...
huu hooo hooo huoo huooo...
huooohuoohuooo...
huoohuoohuooo...
huooo huooo huooo huoooo....
hooooooo uoooo huooo huoooo hooooo.... huoooo huoooo hoooohoooo hoooo.....
hoehooo humhh...
huo huo huo huoo huoo huoo...
huooo huoo huooo...
huohuoho
huohuohuoho hooo ohhh....
Relly good teme :,)
Lol'd.
Sounded like she said Hoenheim at the start though
hahaha
Did you really type all that out
Exactly my thought
Did you ever love anyone other than yourself, Dante?
She did. She genuinely loved Hohenheim, but became corrupted by her own selfish desires. Pitiful, really.
@@magolor7856 I think it became after their son's death and the creation of Envi and the subsequent departure of Hohenheim who couldn't stand what he had created
Still just as haunting today as it was all those years ago......
While Father was definitely more powerful I would have to say that Dante was a much more...haunting villain for a number of reasons:
1. Dante was human and from what little was shown of her past it seemed she did genuinely love Ed's father which made how completely twisted she had become utterly terrifying and made me wonder if I had the kind of power she had and lived as long as she had would I have turned out like her? Knowing her story you can't help but see the absolute worst in human nature in her and think that we all probably have the capacity to be that evil.
2. Father by comparison was not human and his mentality was much closer to a deity than anything else, therefore it's much harder to see a real human element in him especially after he removed his seven deadly sins.
3. Father's philosophical stand point that humans were essentially pathetic ants who could never amount to more than fuel for the Philosopher's Stones was thoroughly refuted by the way he was defeated. It wasn't just Ed and Al but an entire army consisting of not just the national military but numerous foreign fighters from differing ethnic and religious background including a sizable force from a people who were almost completely exterminated by that very nation less than a decade or two prior all of them acting to various extent for the selfless goal of protecting the people of Amestris.
4. Dante's philosophy which was essentially a mix of "humans are bastards" and "just because you work and apply yourself, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll receive something of equal value" was in no way refuted by her death, if anything it was strengthened. The latter point was more explicitly supported in that basically all her scheming and plotting (which must have constituted a ton of work and effort) was essentially undone by a couple of teenage boys and then she was subsequently and ironically killed by the deranged Gluttony. The former point still stood because unlike Father's downfall which involved a great effort by a divers army of people, Dante's downfall was the result of roughly a dozen perhaps two people who all had reasons to be loyal to Amestris itself and the biggest players (Ed and Roy) admitted that they were not entirely motivated by high ideals. Furthermore, although they were manipulated by Dante through Pride, people still followed orders even when it was to commit atrocities and it was at least implied that this occurred on a fairly regular basis and there was nothing to show them making up for those deeds.
Like I said Father was definitely more powerful but I still find Dante to be one of the most haunting villains I've ever seen and this tune really captures that aspect of her brilliantly
I -HATED- Dante... She invoked such anger in me. Father never really made me hate them, despite how much he did.
Playful Fruit
Of course the question you have to ask yourself is why did she invoke such feelings?
I still like father as an antagonist more he played a more villainous role.
Devin Lance
My problem with father was he was just too stereotypical anime villain where as Dante was unique, she posed more of an intellectual and philosophical challenge that couldn't necessarily be overcome just by punching her enough
*****
30, hell I felt I had at least some understanding when I first heard it at...I want to say I was 14 at the time...still I get what you're saying
I'm tired of all the "Brotherhood is better, FMA (2003) sucks" "FMA (2003) is better, Brotherhood sucks" Oh, come on, i think both are excellent in their own way, both are my favorite anime, so stop. (Sorry for my bad english)
no ones really saying that in there own comment
I liked both, but FMA was better.
I liked Winry's character in the 03 series, and,when Hughes died, i cried ;-;, but knowing what came in, i didnt in Brotherhood. I really enjoyed both series
i liked both but the only thing i really hated about brotherhood was that they made Ed seem weaker. in 2003 he can kick butt. in brotherhood they beat up on him too easily.
I personally liked FLM better then Brotherhood, but i enjoy both. both have enjoyable aspects.
One of the best villains of all time. Selfish, greedy, manipulative and merciless yet she keeps a calm and innocent disguise.
Oh and for the comparison between the 2 series, both were brilliant, the only difference was:
- FMA was adult-themed and mature, so kids don't like it that much
- FMA:B was more of teenage-oriented
Darker =/= more mature. I think FMA:B had more going on philosophically than FMA2003. Brotherhood also had more dumb shonen bullshit weighing it down, unfortunately, but I think it was smarter on the thematic level despite that.
Bwahaha! FMA isn't more adult themed. Don't delude yourself with that nonsense trying to make FMA better than it was by pretending it was somehow more mature than brotherhood
People prefer brotherhood because it follows the manga and is objectively a much better show.
All those innocent lives, those countries and all that bloodshed from useless wars..... just because one woman feared her own mortality.......
Human voice is the most beautiful instrument! This vocal's voice can't be replaced by any other instrument
Everyone calls Dante crazy. Evil. Cowardly for her miserable life. And it really is. And also everyone believes that Hohenheim left her for this very reason.
But... Let's not confuse cause and effect.
What was Dante originally like? We can learn this from her own words in the following dialogue:
"Al: - Dante, why did you decide to become an alchemist?
Dante: - Well, the reason was quite ordinary. I just wanted to help people. People need alchemy. Although this does not mean that you can not do without it. And yet, alchemy helps to make people happy. It would be nice if the efforts of those who strive for happiness were always rewarded. That's how I thought."
Why do I think she was telling the truth? Because her current views are literally saturated with nihilism, rejection of people. Only a person who was once sincerely (and naively) convinced of the opposite can come to such a pronounced nihilism.
But apparently, at some point she met Hohenheim and fell in love with him... And instead of helping people, she blindly helped him in all his apparently scientific affairs. In the creation of the Philosopher's stone in particular.
They have ruined many lives for their own purposes.
I believe that the main initiator of the search for the philosopher's stone was Hohenheim. But Dante looks in this case like the one who just blindly follows her beloved.
And so, her lover almost died. She can't let him die. She saves him, at the cost of someone else's life. Let's be honest, quite a few of us would have done the same.
And what's next? They live together like lovers. Dante gives birth to a child from Hohenheim. They raised him for 18 years until he died... Then they decide to revive his son, but only a homunculus, the future Envy, is born. And what does Hohenheim do? He's just... Left Dante. He left his son. Yes, it was a homunculus, but so what? He was aware of himself as the son of Hohenheim. Envy felt like the same person, had all his memories.
Envy felt almost the same as Edward, being also abandoned by the same father.
Dante... Can you imagine how she felt? Left alone in such a situation, being no longer with the most stable mind, it is natural that she went completely mad. And all why? Because Hohenheim is a coward. He did not take responsibility for the Envy. He did not take responsibility for the one who sincerely loves him. He left Dante literally in Hell. Alone. She was left by the man she loved, whose life she once saved at the cost of another person's life. I don't think many people can boast that they could have kept their sanity in such a situation.
And what do we see after 400 years?
Both continue to jump from one body to the other. Dante has finally become disillusioned with humanity, and out of her despair continues to prolong her meaningless life. And Hohenheim does the same. Moreover, unlike his magnificent version from the Brotherhood, the Hohenheim of Light did not dare to tell Trisha the whole truth about himself. And again he abandoned his sons. It's funny to realize that Edward and Envy have a lot in common in this regard. They are even more brothers than one could imagine.
And the most disgusting thing is that Hohenheim has not learned lessons from the past. What does he do when he meets Lieutenant Maria Ross? He's fucking flirting with her! Moreover, seeing that she takes it seriously. He just keeps playing with people's feelings. Knowing that he had once driven Dante to madness with such irresponsibility. And at the same time, later hypocritically declaring to Dante that he is married when she hints to him about "testing her new young body."
And then their dialogue, which finally makes it clear what a pathetic person Hohenheim is.
"Hohenheim: - Trisha was the FIRST and ONLY woman I ever loved"
Dante: - Really? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you whisper tender words of love to me four centuries ago
Hohenheim: "Let's not talk about it..."
Very nasty of him.
If Van Hohenheim is a hero, then the Hohenheim of Light is an irresponsible coward who simply abandoned everyone when anyone needed him. Someone who has not learned any lessons from his mistakes, and continues to take people's lives.
And Dante... Yes, she has turned into a monster who has lost all the positive part of her humanity. And even in this situation, it is clear that she still retains feelings for Hohenheim and her pain. Almost perfectly hiding it behind his monster disguise.
If you look at it this way, then Dante is a woman with a very sad fate.
Therefore, it is fundamentally wrong to say that Hohenheim left her because she is insane. Cause and effect should not be confused.
Hohenheim is still a crap person but Dante is a user because she used Greed and manipulated him. She's just as much as a user as Hohenheim and even worse than it than him.
@@92JazzQueen It's true.
But my thought is only that Dante's crappinessis only a consequence of Hohenheim's crappiness.
Honestly imo this is a more powerful story than brotherhood!
Very much a sucker for the romantic tragedies!
@@starwarsfamilyguy0 Can you really call it romantic when Hohenheim seemingly dated any young woman he saw? and Dante's comment of her "being an innocent when they met" isn't really something you expect to hear in relation to the father of the protagonist
Excellent in-depth analysis. Dante is meant as a villain but it seems clear to me that it was Hohenheim the driving force behind creating and using their first Stone...Then their family and enterprise failed and he left, leaving a lot of despair in her and their homonculus. Their story has still a great part of mystery though. But Dante seems so very human. She's a relatable villain. Who's not afraid of ageing and dying? Who would not be tempted by power, eternal life, beauty, a family and having the love of one's life under your hand ?
God, that's haunting and beautiful! I loved both series, but this song is definitely my favorite.
This theme used to scary's me when i was a child...
XXXSuiicideboy Why were you watching FMA as a child?
SuicideBoy愛 this really did a number on me back in elementary school..
SuicideBoy愛 me 2 especially when Transfer bodies
TayoEXE agreed this is an extremely dark anime
doesnt it sound like in the first two "ohh's'" that she is saying hohenheim?
Yes!! I've always felt that!! It makes the song sound even spookier
+Alexandra Askew yeah it always feels that way
+Alexandra Askew YEAH! THANKS GOD! HEY MOM! I'M NOT GOING CRAZY! SOMEONE ELSE HEARS IT AS WELL!
That's why this should be called Hohenheim theme
was hohenheim a nazi supporter or was that just me?
This song makes the scenes/episodes/clips 10x better in my opinion
This theme is one of the most bone chilling themes I’ve ever heard. It’s so offsetting.
Her theme is so freaking dark and eery that its perfect for her character and the setting. And I love it.
Gotta say, this song perfectly captures the darker tone and atmosphere of the 2003 series
This by far my favorite song from the soundtrack! So beautiful and hounting at the same time!! The first time I heared it I got chills!
also! Does someone else hears Hohenheim in the first few seconds she is singing??! I think I'm going insane!
*haunting
It's 2016... can someone please make a 10 hour version of this?
Good idea :o
+tudor strateanu Just Loop it in Chrome
+nonikita you can do that? whaaat!!!!
yourepeat moşule
4real!!!!!
I love this song. The whole FMA vs. FMAB thing is really hard for me to decipher, because both were amazing. Some characters were more complex in Brotherhood (like Havoc, Hawkeye, and Kimblee), and some were more complex in the first anime (like Lust, Mustang, and Trisha). Brotherhood had Ling, Lan Fan, May Chang, Olivier, Father, Miles, and Selim!Pride, and the first anime had Russell, Fletcher, Anime!Wrath, Anime!Sloth, Alfons, Noah, and Dante. All the Homunculi were amazing, and Reflections showed a little more about the ones from the first anime. My biggest problem in both Brotherhood and the 2003 anime is the lack of character development the Homunculi get. In Brotherhood, I would have liked to have seen how the Homunculi treated each other and how much of a family they were. In the first anime, I'd have like it if their backstories were explored a bit more. There's a lot of subtext centered around the Homunculi, specifically Envy, and it would have been nice to know more about them. That said, Fullmetal Alchemist, no matter what world, is awesome.
YES!!!! Its so hard for me to pick a favorite. Its 50/50 for me. And I highly recommend people to watch both
Its really hard to compare cause there's characters I like better in both series.
FMA-The homunculi, The Elric brothers, Kimblee, Shou Tucker, Rose, Izumi.
FMAB-Roy and Riza, Havoc, Hohenheim, King Bradley.
Then some characters I liked equally in both such as Scar.
Then some exclusive characters that were good
FMA-Frank Archer, Dante, Sloth(2003).
FMAB-Ling, Father, Olivier.
I preffered FMA's beginning but didn't like the ending.
Both great stories guys you don't have to choose one.
@Oscar Asso'o No complexity? You're exagerating '-'
Dante is such a badass.. She makes the anime so dark and mysterious and this theme just adds to it
No place is scarier than Dante's house near the forest. With this theme...gives chills everytime.
Hoenhiem of light. A demon of fright. So swift to ignite the flames of the night. Dancing in the shadows, in the mantel of death. And so in light he knows, one day will be his final breath.
Honestly, I loved the character Dante in the initial, 2003 series. Her objective is simple, yet still twisted. Her character and this music blend beautifully together to create this eerie, foreboding presence. Possessive, chaotic, and simply, amazing.
I really wish that the previous soundtrack were used in the 2009 series however.
I'm kinda tired of hearing people compare FMA to FMAB can we just in joy our anime in peace
+jack skywalker i love both versions! but i feel brotherhood completed the story far better! still love them both tho and re watch them alot
+doaker420 I'm more of a fan of the original but that's probably because that was my first anime
+Olivia Martinez one hell of a start
that was my first anime too, and at first it was hard watching brotherhood, but ive watched both many times and just enjoy brotherhood better, both are awesome, they got me into anime
*****
Same this was my first anime(When I was 5-6 years old)
es increible el miedo y relajo que me transmite esta musica
tan cierto,una paz y a la vez intranquilidad...
Es de género opera.
verdad no se puede expresar con palabras lo que este ost transmite
Cierto amigo, ........ muestra y transmite todo lo que puede hacer una mujer despechada (Dante), ellas nunca perdonan
Si es medio tenebroso, pero Dante es una maldita💀.
I really miss Dante in Brotherhood. And the music.
But I'm super happy that this anime has 2 versions.
When I started watching FMA Brotherhood it felt like a parallel universe because many things are the same but the plot gets piece by piece further away from FMA's plot.
Nach langen suchen finde ich dieses Lied ich krig einfach nicht genug.
Egal wie oft ich das höre, ich bekomm jedesmal eine Gänsehaut.
These lyrics are very meaningful to me, they helped me overcome my brain tumor.
+Aryan Aleniak Well it makes sense, considering it's the theme song of an immortal being.
I waited till I finished hearing the song to comment this, but are there lyrics in this song ?
Does "whow....whow....wow" mean something ?
Aravind Sivasekar If even one person is willing to give a meaning to anything, then that thing acquires a meaning.
True words of wisdom. I also have another quote I live by along the same line a your's, "If one person gives a child a corndog, then that child receives a corndog."
Aryan Aleniak I never got a corn dog. It's one of my childhood traumas.
This song is so gorgeous and haunting. It needs no actual words; the feeling and depth in that woman's voice is more than enough to tell a story.
I like both FMA, they are different. FMAB leave a long-lasting impression on me when Father took God.. It was a great climax. Northern invasion was great, and Fuhrer Bradley was... more badass than FMA (2003)
FMA (2003) had a more complex homunculus personalities, parallel world, no "God", more on science.
I really wish there is a new FMA that combines both FMA and FMAB into the same world.
Seizhin Amuro That concept sounds cool.At the very least I would enjoy a game like that.
Seizhin Amuro I would love to see a spin off that goes more in-depth on what alchemy is, like how the new Harry potter movies are gonna be on a book written about creatures where it follows the writer.
I wish instead they made a manga more based on the anime than the original manga. Kinda like brotherhood did with the anime.
+GrimaceBSX Oh man, that'd be sick! They'd have even more room to develop Amestris' backstory and The Gate mechanics, and we'd finally get to see how Conqueror of Shamballa was really supposed to be! (More than three hours of script was cut from the movie, and that's nuts!)
+Seizhin Amuro I agree, brother hood was more of a kick ass action adventure, while fma was a deep drama
One of the best anime's I have ever seen. Thanks brother for introducing me to it. Rest in peace brother until we meet again 🙏
How can my soul be...rotting?
Comparison comparison comparison! Let's all compare the different versions of the show even though it's completely unrelated to the topic of this video guys!
It's weird but to me Envy is 2003 is cool. He seems like just a psychopath until the end when you find out why he is the way he is and that his goal is to kill the one who made him, and his lines are really cool because of that. Whereas his brotherhood counterpart seemed to be just a psychotic animal that's dumb enough to smugly reveal he killed hughes to mustang. Don't get me wrong Envy in brotherhood does work with his personality in a cool way but I prefer 2003 's all.
Thats the most biased and dumbest take I have read. Clearly you didnt see the end of Brotherhood if thats all you got from Envy
I still find myself coming back to this
Same, even after all these years
Always
I am in love with this song. It's so hauntingly graceful. I can't describe the feeling I get when I listen to it.
Something about this theme... It feels a lot more like evil then many such themes. It gives the feeling of an impossibly old creature... and a darkness. Such an ancient darkness...
Well that's the point
While I like Brotherhood for the story, there are things in FMA that overshadow it, like this theme for example, so melancholy and sad, and Mustang's theme as well, including several Alex Armstrong moments like how he greeted Mr. Curtis, and his 'Proof,' about his accusations about King Bradly.
oh god yes on Armstrong! BEHOLD MY PROOF! LOOOOOOOK! O.O *flex muscles*
I feel as though Dante was a much better villain than Father despite being underdeveloped. The '03 series to me had more of a dark depressing story unlike brotherhood. I still like brotherhood though just not as much as the original.
+Bridgit Graddy IMO, they are both perfect for each of their series, Mangahood was the story of the country of Amestris and it's people, so Father with his grandiose plan to create a country wide transmutation circle so he could eat God fits that story, 03, meanwhile, was the story of the Elric brothers, so Dante, as a twisted mirror of Ed in some ways, fits that story
Anyone else think it's slightly fucked up that Lira dies and no one seems to care? Even when Ed confronts Dante, he doesn't acknowledge that she must have killed Lira to take her body. It just seems quietly tragic.
I always get the chills when I hear this song...
Top 5 favorite villain themes:
1)The Master Vainglorious- Doctor Who
2) A New World Fool- Persona 4
3) Dante's Theme- Full Metal Alchemist
4) Lady of Gorgon(Medusa's Theme)- Soul Eater
5) Blumenkranz(Ragyo's Theme)- Kill La Kill
This and Blumenkranz
Tak Theme - Invader ZIm
I would like to add Le Serpent De Ceremonie to the list.
***** Which is from what fandom exactly?
james vanitas It's from Shakugan no Shana. Just look up the song name on youtube, it should be among the first to pop up.
I've been searching for this song for a while now. It plays so often and all over the place near the end of Fullmetal Alchemist that I had no idea that it was Dante's theme! Thanks for uploading
Dante is a great example of why I like the '03 version better, she and the rest of the original have 10 million times more subtlety than anything in Brotherhood
***** She was still underdeveloped. Great ideas and a great dark tone, but Brotherhood despite being a bit more comedic actually managed to a tell more coherent and larger story. Also, Brotherhood actually handles it's themes just as maturely.
The JuanTrueKaiser Brotherhood was also longer.
Hans Carabonala it's ending beats conquer of scamballa that ending sucks eggs hard.
+The JuanTrueKaiser Compare the story of 2003 Sloth with Brotherhood Sloth haha! Their stories differ, but the first Sloth had a better death and backstory. There are many aspects in the first version better than Brotherhood and vice versa. The love story of Dante and Hohenheim was good too ;)
Well it's better than star of bitch ass niggas, I'm tired of anime movies and seasons were they just shove these things into the timeline and expect it to go on the same. COS had a fantastic followup to fma and ended the story off with a beautiful finish
god this theme hits different in the early morning
One of the best songs on the OST.
I've been looking for this song for so long.
...
This has got to be one of the best villain themes out there. Beautifully haunting.
Song gives the chills
Honestly who cares which FMA is better? Just enjoy 'em both. Honestly? I think 2003 did a better job with introducing certain characters like Barry the Chopper, because honestly? I remember being genuinely terrified of the dude when he was introduced. Ed's run in with Scar was also kind of intriguing when he briefly toyed with the idea of giving up his State Certification. But Brotherhood's characterization of Scar, his brother, and Kimblee remain better overall in my opinion.
I like the design of Rose in 2003 better than her Brotherhood counterpart. Hell, I actually like the storyline better for Rose in 2003 and even Tucker's involvement is a step up. But I think Father is more interesting a villain than Dante, even if Dante presented greater moral dilemmas for the Elrics to solve. Could Brotherhood have had more impactful moments like 2003 did? Certainly. I sorta wish they had honestly revisited older ideas like the Holy Mother storyline. But for what it was? I liked Brotherhood just as much as the 2003 version.
Hauntingly beautiful
Man, this theme is so creepy and mysterious, yet fitting for every scene it appears in and sets the tone and atmosphere very well.
I love both, specially Brotherhood and how they open up to the other countries besides Amestris and Hoenheim plays a more prominent role, but overall I first saw FMA and it's still my favorite, the darkness of like the Nina Arc and when Al is made into a philosopher stone by scar, the fact that Sloth is what Ed & Al created. It's absolutely brilliant, and to this day my favorite anime by a mile. I also enjoyed the movie as well, it provided a sense of closure. Brotherhood has many strengths the last half of the series is amazing, I did hate how they skipped over the Nina and Cornello Arc but they make up for it. I love major Armstrong's sister, she's such a BAMF, plus Lin-Greed, they were my two favorite characters from Brotherhood. But it's true that FMA has strong emotions and a very dark feel to it compared to Brotherhood.
Been looking for this version.
I love FMA, particularly the original series, it was so dark and moving, no anime series has ever done that to me before. I also love the film that followed on from the original series.
I always hear her singing Hohenheim, as if asking him to return or regretting he's left her. Anybody else?
I like the moment when it says"hohohowhowohuoooohuooohooooo"
is just me or this theme sounds like a song taken from a silent hill game?
Eeeeh...
***** Yes! Especially Silent HIll 2!
***** What specific song from Silent Hill OST??
Silent Hill 3, indeed
Love this damn song
Fullmetal alchemist was truly the most scariest anime to me
I watched both FMA and FMAB but I liked the 2003 version a lot more. It ended pretty messed up and it was sad, but if you want the happy ending you could just watch the movie (I had no idea there was a movie for a long time.)
I will say though Brotherhood did feel more complete when I got to the end of it. Both are great I recommend watching both of them.
I'm one of the few people who think FMA is way better than FMA Brotherhood, who else is with me!?
FMA is sadder and FMAB is funnier, I just love both!?
Mewsical lol grow up
Mewsical still laughing. Was just asking a question and you came to fight like a 12 year old, at least answer which FMA do you like more. Also, it's really dumb to think you're more special for liking one more than the other. Both are brilliant and you just wanted to make yourself noticed. Worst part is that you did. Sadly it's what happens with hatred.
I also think this
You can always like both versions, I do too.. I think the musical soundtrack was better in FMA than in Brotherhood...just my opinion
I've never thought deeper or more serious in my life than when I listen to this song.
Just finished watching FMA. This song was always so chilling and creeped me out in the anime, but at the same time it is sort of hauntingly beautiful and so I just had to look it up!
I liked FMA more than FMAB because the story was orginal creative and had much more adult content than FMAB. I loved how it addressed so many philosophical questions also I though the violence was much more graphic in FMA. Idk I just liked it better. Lastly I liked the ending even though it wasn't the happiest. Music was better to obviously or we wouldn't be here lol
Fma would have been my choice if it weren't for the ending. The alternate universe stuff was crap, I mean seriously. Otherwise fma was better than fmab just the ending was way to complex for no reason. Fma just hit harder emotionally, especially with winrys parents
I forgot what happened to her parents? I know they died but forgot how
snoboreddotcom I found that too. The soundtrack and the overall focus on emotion in FMA was better, whereas FMAB had more of the content from the actual manga, offered a more meaty story and had vastly superior animation.
Idk if the plot was thicker in fmab that's kinda a push. The story of fma was thick with good character develop with a full range of emotions as you established. Yes the alternate universe was strange but interesting in my opinion. Fmab did have great animation and easier to follow. I liked it but liked fma more. I've never read the manga so I can't comment on that
Jared Bishop The plot offered more in FMAB in terms of story and content, and while it had a lot of the same scenes none of the emotional scenes hit as hard. Maes dying in FMA was considerably more emotional.
Fma 2003 is best imo
A dark philosophy and love story. Ed realising Fs. My dad screwed up >.<
And Dante trying to cheat death and gain immortality like a mockery of God.
Such a beautiful song.
Those listening to this in 2022 know what's up. FMA 2003 was so fucked on so many levels and while I love FMAB for the accuracy to the manga and how well it flowed, 2003 will still be my favorite especially with CoS despite it getting shit on.
This is why the first FMA is way better than brotherhood.
I prefer normal FMA over FMA:B. Brotherhood seemed to dumb some of the characters down in parts I thought were obvious. Like the Nina scene. Edward in normal FMA knew right away what had happened. In FMA:B he didn't realize until Nina said something.
I just didn't like what FMA:B did to Lust.
That's because FMA03 really made it obvious as hell that Shou Tucker did it to his wife by Ed finding a ridiculous amount of evidence all over the place. In Brotherhood he spent less time with the Tuckers so he didn't see it coming.
Finally someone shares my thought,Lust was amazing in FMA and was kicked out of the game too early in FMAB,I actually like all of the homunculus from FMA better,how Lust wanted to become human,how sloth tried to keep her memories,how Gluttony was desperate after finding out that Lust is dead,I liked Greed in both animes and only Envy was better in FMAB and his death was really something to watch.Overall both versions are great,FMA started better and had a really good ending,but FMAB has the best ending in all anime,that was incredible.
Manoftheworld I agree with most of what you said...but I kinda felt brotherhoods ending was kinda stupid (at least with father's over all main plan) and it kinda ruined it for me...but that is not saying the action was not good...because brotherhood was really good about action moments
I like Brotherhood better. It is also the original author's intended story. The ending and back stories feel more fleshed out in Brotherhood in my opinion. 2003 was also too slow paced in my opinion.
So beautiful
I was sorta high when watching the last stretch of episodes, and this track only helped enhance the jaw dropping revelations that were being made when this track played. Good God, where would we be without music?
it sounds like shes saying Hohenheim! woah woah woah!!! oh!! it just give me chills when i watch the series i love it! this song touches me in my very soul!
oh :'( you're describing how i feel!
I literally google searched “FMA OST girl singing”, and this vid popped up thank god
i looked up "fma woaahoooah song"
I live across the street from a funeral home. I think of this song everytime I see the hearse leading a procession of cars to the church across town.
It's an everybody knows everybody kind of community here. Sometimes there's so many cars the PD has to temporarily shut down part of Main Street to prevent accidents.
"Humans are controlled by their sins, and the Philosopher's Stone has power far greater than any weapon ever forged. So I've taken cities. Humans would destroy the world: the lives lost are necessary martyrs, saving mankind from itself. I am the Guardian. The Sheppard of sins. I have to live on, to prevent you humans from doing something foolish with the Stone."
"Don't kid yourself! You're a human, just like us!"
"Not anymore."
I really do prefer Dante as a main antagonist over Father.
Wow... I just started watching FMA:B and the difference between FMA and FMA:B so far is amazing.. like watching a whole new series!
I know right? How great is it that we get the characters we love in two different series!
I love them both, but I have to say I like Brotherhood more as it really sticks by Ed's original morals. (like not killing people) The first FMA was grounded in realism, proving that you don't always get that nothing is perfect and to be happy with what you have.
While there was hardships in Brotherhood, it tried to teach you that if you persevere, things will pay off in the end. (I know it's lame, but I like happy endings)
Ash Walker I Finished the Fma:B series in 5 days. It was that good.
The reason is the FMA anime was created before the manga was finished. It follows until about the halfway point, then they made their own story. Because it was so popular, that after the manga was completed, the same people who did FMA got permission from the manga creator to do FMA:B (which followed the manga completely.)
Ash Walker I agree. I think overall Brotherhood is better, but you can't appreciate it fully unless you saw the original first. Both of them were incredibly amazing though. The original did a far better job introducing the characters and getting you attached to them, and the villain was way more intriguing. Brotherhood got rid alot of the stupid stuff (in my opinion) from the original, like red water. Also the homunculi made more sense in Brotherhood.
Nick Renford Agreed heavily with you. FMAB rushed everything in an episode or two at max. I did enjoy both of them a lot but when i first began watching FMAB I was like wtf? How about slowing down so you can have a story to tell past episode 10? lol.
I've always thought of this song as more sad than creepy tbh...
If I was basically a vampire betraying every person who trust me, stealing bodies after bodies and living hollow life after hollow life, all due to my pathetic fear of death, with my soul slowly rotting as a bonus, I guess I would be a bit sad, too.
lol! Love the first six words.
Damn this is a wonderfully creepy motif. Picturing a woman twirling about a ballroom dancing with the fresh corpse of the man who she loved and killed. Especially potent when Lust kills Lujon and derides him as a mere mistake on her part, destroying the stone and dooming the entire village to the restart of a plague SHE and the others inflicted on them in the first place. It's just so overtly chilling.
PS: I’ve said this above, but this is THE CREEPIEST anime OST I’ve ever heard in a cartoon. If you played this in a graveyard on a foggy day, you’d be looking around every tombstone praying to whatever you worship a ghoul doesn’t come up looking for flesh. That’s how creepy this is. Terrifying.
Just because it does not follow the manga does not make it a filler. She is indeed a huge part of the conclusion to this anime. A filler is something that is not necessary to the story, but is thrown in there to add more episodes. FMA had a filler episode, that they based off the manga.
I love both versions of FMA, and while Brotherhood is I feel slightly better, 03 had better music, and this song reminds me of that.
While Dante was a better villain than Father, the final battle in FMA2003 was definitely less... impressive. The whole "other earth" was just obnoxious and overcomplicated pedantics. To me, the difference between the two series is best exemplified by the two Sloths.
In FMA2003, she is a tragic character, a homunculus imbued with the memories and form of Ed and Al's mom, given life by their hubris and forced to constantly struggle to maintain her own personality. Her existence in the story is a condemnation of Ed and Al and her final defeat, as Ed watches her dissolve into gas as a result of her adoptive homunculus child's impulsive action, is a fittingly tragic symmetry to her birth.
Sloth in FMAB is... less tragic. An immovable and unstoppable mountain of muscle, he is mindlessly, relentlessly, and unrepentantly working to create an alchemy that will annihilate millions of lives. He cannot be reasoned with, and it takes the combined forces of four of the series' most powerful alchemists to finally put him down.
FMAB is a world that you'd want to live in, it's classic Superman flying through the sky and beating Lex Luthor to the cheers of the people. FMA2003 is closer to Batman, where you see why Mr Freeze is trying to amass wealth, and you can even see yourself rooting for him, but his defeat is necessary for the protection of the people.
Funny comparison, because as a reader of Superman, his world actually resembles that of FMA03... Yeah. forget the superpowers, they're hardly a guarantee he'll win. And Metropolis is just as bleak as Amestria; looks great on the surface but you don't know what demented horror lurks in the streets.
Even in darkness there is light.
This is one of the most bad ass villain themes ever. I mean, it just sets a mood that is so conniving. It puts you at ease while also striking a very serious tone. Absolutely fantastic.
I hate FMA:B for overshadowing how emotionally powerful the 2003 FMA is. I don't care how much dumb action Brotherhood has, it doesn't make me feel anything.
same here
I stopped watching it the second I realized how dumbed down Father Cornello was. I'll remember the original without ever seeing him again long after I've forgotten what I literally just saw in FMA:B. Just shameful.
All of Brotherhood is dumbed down, that's why more people like it.
Most people are idiots.
Halitosis ByOsmosis Kinda like why Skyrim is popular......
Raid Man Wow, but yeah, I totally agree.
i really like FMA 2003 better, the character development was better and it didn't feel rushed and their mum as sloth was much better than that tunnel digging monster.
Music Mania see I prefer brotherhood except for that. I would’ve loved to have seen 2003 Sloth (not looking like Trisha cause Father didn’t know her) but still acting in the same manner. 2003s Sloth was amazing because she exuded the sin of sloth. She didn’t care. She was apathetic. That is how most people are guilty of Sloth. Not just being lazy
@@CrowofJudgement461 problem is as homunculi origins are completely different in the manga there was no way their mother could be sloth in the manga
Thanks so much for the upload. I don't why but i love this song. It gave me goosebumps every time i heard it watching Full Metal Alchemist . This song might be good for a dramatic dance.
Apparently what I’ve seen online is that the show could have continued and expanded if brotherhood wasn’t being planned during that. 2003 could have gotten an ending like brotherhood in a sense
Who's watching in 2017
Steven Leggett me. I watch this like every 2nd week
Andy Fischbach Are you german?
"Fischbach" sounds pretty german tho
Andy Fischbach k
i dunno why i like this theme so much 😑
A lot of ppl do
gj dude i was searching for this for 1 year lol thx
I watched FMA in 2013... I can’t actually recall most of the series, sadly. However, when I heard this soundtrack it was imprinted in my memory and I got a burst of nostalgia.