How to make a bendable perch or boing for you parrot

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  • čas přidán 21. 08. 2013
  • Most common questions answered:
    100% cotton rope (I used a horse lead in the video, but you can buy cotton rope online fairly cheaply now). Ideally, you should use Paulie (aka: Poly) rope which will shred to tinier strings which will cause less likely tangles with bird feet. I use 1/2 inch diameter rope for my smaller birds and 3/4 inch for the bigger ones.
    Wire: I used stainless steel wire from mcmaster.com. The exact one that I used in the video is
    Bend-and-Stay 302/304 Stainless Steel Wire, 0.064" Diameter, 1 lb. Spool, 91' Long. I've used thicker stainless steel for the bigger birds, they're just hard to work with (either that or my hands are really weak!). Stainless steel is one of the safer options for parrot toys.
    End pieces are wooden candle cups from a craft store like Michaels. I've also used PVC end caps with a hole drilled through it.

Komentáře • 120

  • @Avantg1976
    @Avantg1976 Před 11 lety +7

    Haha the birds are adorable! Thanks for the tutorial! That's a great way to save money and to know what's in the toy that the bird will be exposed to.

  • @barbarabowen8308
    @barbarabowen8308 Před 5 lety +2

    I love the tutorial and your birds sound so happy. I loved hearing them and seeing little Wasabi. What a cutie! Thanks for the great info. Cant wait to try!

  • @staciemarkham3656
    @staciemarkham3656 Před 9 lety +3

    I could hear you just fine, and thanks for the tutorial. I knew there had to be a way to make them yourself. I've been looking everywhere for instructions for this. So thanks :)

  • @KimberlyShaysWorld
    @KimberlyShaysWorld Před 8 lety +1

    I love this idea!!! Thanks for posting.

  • @wrestlemaniacism1
    @wrestlemaniacism1 Před 5 lety +1

    MAGIC. Love it.

  • @macawlovers1964
    @macawlovers1964 Před 3 lety +5

    I’ve been looking for videos on how to make boings for birds, but just a FYI a cotton used for anything in birds is deadly. Not only can it get stuck in their crops which require surgeries but it can get trapped around their heads, wings or toes( amputations). I would make it out of natural fiber ropes(sisal)

    • @odette3805
      @odette3805 Před rokem

      Even sisal has been known to cause issues, seagrass is a better material for things like this and foraging walls

  • @jakibros
    @jakibros Před 8 lety

    This is a wonderful tutorial! I was sent here by AvianWeb. I was looking for a customized boing from companies with no luck. So very helpful. Thank you! My disabled Grey Lily will be enjoying her custom DIY boing very soon! Keep up the good work!

  • @mushkabushka7418
    @mushkabushka7418 Před 6 lety +4

    the bird walking around was priceless! very funny:) great job, Im going to make this, thank u:)

  • @boopy6430
    @boopy6430 Před 5 lety

    Your birds are so ready for that toy

  • @mellowsnail4534
    @mellowsnail4534 Před 3 lety

    Wow this is very helpful!!

  • @Azeendokht
    @Azeendokht Před 9 lety

    supper smart way of doing it, you are great

  • @carmenl4025
    @carmenl4025 Před rokem

    Haaa! Great video and the commentary from your birdie was soo cute!!

  • @janetosgood4098
    @janetosgood4098 Před 7 lety

    Thanks a lot !! I have tried to make one of these but had no idea how to do it. They are so costly in the stores. Thank you again.

  • @sharafatawan5713
    @sharafatawan5713 Před 8 lety +1

    nice video really helped me thanks

  • @ngxx0057
    @ngxx0057  Před 10 lety +4

    Mmgamingguy- Can't seem to reply to your comment. But the wood pots came from Michael's the craft store. They're called candle pots.

  • @leanev
    @leanev Před 4 lety

    Yes!!! Thank you so much!

  • @adiwollaby7667
    @adiwollaby7667 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you so much!❤️❤️❤️

  • @kingmiles1112
    @kingmiles1112 Před 7 lety

    Thank you so much for sharing

  • @abduolrahmansafwat153
    @abduolrahmansafwat153 Před 8 lety

    wonderful.

  • @christinealstrup3228
    @christinealstrup3228 Před 8 lety +5

    Hi! 😊
    Thanks for the recepie for making a rope perch! 😊I've been looking for a long time, after a way to put the ends in "something" and make them attach to the cage. But i really looove your idea about the wood-thing you put on the ends! 😊
    I live in Denmark, and I hope you can help me, be course I'm looking for those wood-things you use, so I can buy and use them to. 😊But I can't seem to find them anywhere. 😔😖So I was hoping you could tell me the name of the wood-things?, and where you buy them? ☺️
    Then maybe I can find the name in Danish, and look a place similar the store you bought it from. 😊
    Thanks a bunch!
    - Have a nice day! 😊
    Kind regardsChristine
    PS: I'm sorry about my poor english, I hope you can understand me a bit. ☺️

  • @Aleksandra1389
    @Aleksandra1389 Před 10 lety

    Thank you very much!

  • @marianneyang7695
    @marianneyang7695 Před 8 lety

    your parrotlet is SOOOOO cute ohm y god

  • @michilovr
    @michilovr Před 8 dny

    DANG THAT BIRD IS LOUD

  • @eaglecrest7
    @eaglecrest7 Před 2 lety

    Excllent tip

  • @marie8008
    @marie8008 Před 7 lety

    Thank you so much.

  • @miaow.mystery
    @miaow.mystery Před 6 lety

    I wish I am that creative

  • @angelaorr892
    @angelaorr892 Před 10 lety +3

    Love it! Maybe next time do a tutorial outside so not so distracted :)

  • @juliesmith5567
    @juliesmith5567 Před rokem +1

    Where is the best place to get those ropes from as I've wanted to do that but can't find anywhere can you a dog toy made of similar rope then wire it or hang it in for a toy

  • @BxBLavi
    @BxBLavi Před 11 lety

    Love It :3 and love wasabi

  • @musthafausman3570
    @musthafausman3570 Před 8 lety +3

    I just saw a angry bird launch

  • @waqarsyed6641
    @waqarsyed6641 Před 8 lety

    awesome

  • @briannacampanita
    @briannacampanita Před 10 lety

    Omg I wanna make one of those

  • @jakibros
    @jakibros Před 8 lety +1

    I made my first boing today. I purchased the 10 gauge wire thru the site you suggested. I had the choice between spring wire and bend & stay. I picked the bend & stay. I purchased 1/2" rope since it came in the colors I wanted. But it is too thin and very springy. The smaller birds will have to use it. I will check the horse lead rope 3/4" next. Which wire did you use, the "bend & stay" or the spring wire? When you used the 8 gauge, did it prevent it becoming too springy?

    • @maryngo1452
      @maryngo1452 Před 8 lety +1

      +jakibros - I used bend and stay. It really depends on what your birds like (in terms of springiness) and how heavy they are. The 8 gauge works well for my caiques and Grey. It was just harder to work with.

    • @jakibros
      @jakibros Před 8 lety

      +Mary Ngo I'll do that next. Thank you!

    • @nat-eb1pl
      @nat-eb1pl Před 7 lety

      my green parrotlet likes to play with a rope and I'm trying to decorate it with colorful markers..I hope she likes it...Hope is my parrotlet's name so cute and a girl

  • @glorioskey
    @glorioskey Před 4 lety

    My lovebird always had to be where my hands were doing something.. somethings hed get upset and bite if he thought they were dangerous. I think wasabi wants to be sure everything's ok.

  • @MMGAMINGGUY
    @MMGAMINGGUY Před 10 lety

    were do you get the little wood pots

  • @Aleksandra1389
    @Aleksandra1389 Před 10 lety

    Great manual and great idea! Can you just tell me, please, what kind of wire is that? I know it's bendable, but is there any more detail it's useful to know? Thank you!

  • @jenica3874
    @jenica3874 Před 10 lety

    Hi - I was thinking maybe you could wind the wire around the screw head and then put the screw through the pot and possibly then you would need to use hot glue - do you think this is a possibility? Where can I get the rope and the wire (what gauge is the wire you used), as we have cockatiels and smaller birds and they do like their comfy perches and boings. Thanks.

    • @maryng5606
      @maryng5606 Před 10 lety

      That is a good idea, I will have to try that with a smaller screw. I tried a version of that with a screw that fitted through the hole and I had trouble screwing through the hole in the pot since I couldn't get my screwdriver in the pot since the rope took so much of the space. The rope that I used was originally a 100% cotton lead for horses and I got it at a local horse supply place. The wire is 0.102 inch stainless steel wire from mcmaster.com. For cockatiels you can try the 0.064 inch wire too, but my birds didn't like the increased bounce that the weaker wire created.

  • @nitamoore
    @nitamoore Před 9 lety

    Can you tell me what gauge SS wire would you recommend for goffins, a grey and a U2?

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 9 lety

      I've would use either 8 or 10 gauge wire. For my CAG, I used 10 gauge without problems, very minimal bounce to it which is what she prefers. I've worked with 8 gauge too, but really stiff, so hard to bend into loops.

  • @SarahBecker
    @SarahBecker Před 8 lety +27

    HAHAHa your little bird. Next time you do an instructional video you might want to keep the birds away. The little ones Tweeting made it very hard to hear what you were saying. Besides that it's a great video great video.

    • @MihaelaRo
      @MihaelaRo Před 4 lety

      I think it was a great video and if you like birds wasabi should not have bothered you I think he was very cute

    • @lucycowpe3776
      @lucycowpe3776 Před 3 lety

      Turn on captions my bird is squaring in my ear while I watch this

  • @arbieb2405
    @arbieb2405 Před 2 lety

    This has been posted for a good while but for folks reading 2021 onward...just be sure the Bend-and-Stay 302/304 Stainless Steel Wire is completely covered by rope and not easily accessible to parrot chewing... The SAE 304 stainless steel is the most common stainless steel and contains both chromium and nickel metals as the main non-iron constituents. I tried to find a safer alternative in 314 SS Wire but 314 stainless steel is notable for containing comparatively high amounts of silicon (Si) and chromium (Cr). Perhaps a "little safer" but best to monitor the wear closely as the metals aren't healthy for parrots to gnaw on so just be cautious...

  • @khalidkakaw954
    @khalidkakaw954 Před 9 lety

    عمل جميل ومفيد .. تسلم الايادي

  • @staciemarkham3656
    @staciemarkham3656 Před 9 lety

    Oh, could you possibly edit the comments and tell us exactly what rope and wire you used? That would be helpful. Thanks so much for the video. It was very helpful :)

  • @charlottegoodwill3133
    @charlottegoodwill3133 Před 6 lety

    Hi, great video but I had a few questions
    a) I own quite a few budgies and wanted to ask if I needed the same thickness of wire as you? I think that it shouldn't be much different.
    b) How thick is your wire? Do you have a website you recommend for the wire?
    Thanks your response will be appreciated :D

    • @maryngo1452
      @maryngo1452 Před 6 lety

      What I used should be fine for budgies. I used "Bend-and-Stay 302/304 Stainless Steel Wire, 0.064" Diameter, 1 lb. Spool, 91' Long". as least that's what it was listed when I bought the wire years ago (it lasts me a fairly long time as I reuse the wire). I bought it from mcmaster.com

  • @moviemakerwannabe
    @moviemakerwannabe Před 7 lety

    It would be less expensive to buy your rope by the foot at a hardware store. You can also choose the diameter that is best for your bird.

  • @savannahleigh9077
    @savannahleigh9077 Před 5 lety

    Where do you buy your wire or the inside??

  • @Deas-Mhumhna
    @Deas-Mhumhna Před 6 lety

    Hello. I am having great trouble finding the pot you mentioned in your video. Ngxx0057 says they can be found at Michael's but I can no longer search for them and their mini flower pots are too small. I would like to know where you found your pots.

    • @maryngo1452
      @maryngo1452 Před 6 lety +1

      Well, I did find them at Michaels (ngxx0057 is me and I made the video). The video was made about 4 years ago, so it's possible that they don't carry that particular type anymore. You can try another craft store to see if they sell something similar. Otherwise, I have also used PVC end caps with holes drilled in them in place of the candle/flower pot and they come in a variety of sizes.

    • @LivingMyBestLifeIAm
      @LivingMyBestLifeIAm Před 6 lety

      Isn't this the item right here?
      canada.michaels.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-MichaelsCanada-Site/en_CA/Product-Show?pid=10103283

    • @LivingMyBestLifeIAm
      @LivingMyBestLifeIAm Před 6 lety

      Also found this size :)
      canada.michaels.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-MichaelsCanada-Site/en_CA/Product-Show?pid=10102800

    • @Deas-Mhumhna
      @Deas-Mhumhna Před 6 lety

      Yes but Ngxx0057 said the wrong name. They are candle cups, not holders. That makes a huge difference.

    • @maryngo1452
      @maryngo1452 Před 6 lety

      Yes, that looks like the right one.

  • @lorissashappyhome
    @lorissashappyhome Před 9 lety

    Where did you buy the wire? And leash?

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 9 lety

      Lorissa Rodriguez The wire came from mcmaster.com. The leash came from my local Fleet Farm, it's a horse lead. You should be able to find them from any horse supply stores.

  • @sharafatawan5713
    @sharafatawan5713 Před 8 lety +1

    will this be fine for a indian ringnech parrot please ans

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 8 lety

      +sharafat awan - sorry for the delayed response. This didn't show up on my notification emails. But short answer is yes, it should be fine for ringnecks.

  • @jessicagomber
    @jessicagomber Před 8 lety

    I went to the website to look for the wire you used but there are so many. You wouldn't happen to have the item number that you purchased would you? I was able to find the lead. Thanks for video!! These are not cheap to buy in the stores. Will save lots of $$$. :D

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 8 lety

      +jessica gomber It's 8860K19
      Bend-and-Stay 302/304 Stainless Steel Wire, 0.064" Diameter, 1 lb. Spool, 91' Long. That's the particular one that I purchased, but there's different ID numbers for different lengths. It'll also vary depending on what kind of bird you're using this for. It works for up to African Greys... though I personally think it's a bit weak for African Greys and picked a heavier gauged wire for my Grey.

    • @jessicagomber
      @jessicagomber Před 8 lety

      +ngxx0057 thank u! I have a quaker so I shouldn't need anything bigger than that. in your opinion do you think that would be to thick? I want it to bounce a little bit. I just can't find it locally to go in a store and look at it and test it. thanks again!

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 8 lety

      +jessica gomber - should be fine. It's what I use for my parrotlets, cockatiels, and caiques. They do fine on it. The Grey sinks it, so I went thicker for her.

  • @JaneAmericanIrish7777
    @JaneAmericanIrish7777 Před 6 lety +1

    Lol..Cant hear you very well..but I can see what your doing 👌👍

  • @shamudraafaz1006
    @shamudraafaz1006 Před 4 lety +1

    0:05 did anyone notice the bird??

  • @ChickstasHobby
    @ChickstasHobby Před 10 lety

    Can you share links for materials?

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 10 lety

      mcmaster.com for the wire and you can get the machine screws, washers, and winged nut from them too (though I got mine locally). You just need to make sure that all the hardware matches. For example, if you get a 10-24 screw, then you need to get matching 10-24 nut and the washes have to have large enough holes for your screw to go through yet small enough that your nut will hold it all together when you put it together.
      the cotton rope, I got locally, but you can find it at amazon too. Here's a link to one of them: www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Cotton-Lead-Nickel-Plated-Thick/dp/B001G3WQUM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1392246134&sr=8-3&keywords=cotton+horse+lead
      the wood bases are wood candle cups: www.joann.com/wood-shapes-candle-cups/2181535.html#q=wood+candle&start=1
      Or you can use PVC end caps too, you just have to drill a hole through them.

  • @ellieletourneau2313
    @ellieletourneau2313 Před 6 lety +1

    You flung your parrotlet at 4:04!

  • @anapunza
    @anapunza Před 9 lety

    Hola me ha encantado tu vídeo , muchas gracias, donde compras la cuerda?

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 9 lety

      anapunza Sorry, I only speak English. But per google translation, I got the rope from a 100% cotton horse lead.

    • @csabo1725
      @csabo1725 Před 9 lety

      ngxx0057 Never heard of Google translate?

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 9 lety

      csabo1725 It's just an online translator of what you wrote as I don't speak Spanish.

    • @csabo1725
      @csabo1725 Před 9 lety

      ngxx0057 OK I guess you are stupid too. I am saying use google translate to translate questions from other languages you don't understand. Holy shit you want me to teach you how to cross the street next?

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 9 lety

      csabo1725 Apparently, you're not understanding what I'm writing. I stated in my first response that I used google translate to respond to your question. I say that because online translation isn't always accurate just in case response to the translation of what you asked isn't what you're looking for.

  • @Kaliprepper
    @Kaliprepper Před 10 lety +1

    Where do you buy your wire? I really want to make this.

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 10 lety

      I get my wire from mcmaster.com

    • @Kaliprepper
      @Kaliprepper Před 10 lety

      ngxx0057 what size wire you usually use? Im hoping to make my own bird perches as I just bought a HUGE aviary for my lone cockatiel lol. Id also like to make my own wood perches but not 100% sure on size of threaded rod and washers I should get

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 10 lety

      Our Homestead Dream
      It depends on what you want and your bird. If you want a super bouncy boing or perch, then you can use 0.064 inch diameter SS, which will be fine for a cockatiel. But I personally prefer something stiffer (most of my birds do too), then I use 0.102 inch diameter... which works well for my African Grey too. The 0.102 inch is just stiff enough that it holds its shape well, but yet doesn't take a lot of arm strength to bend or cut. As for the threaded rods (I use 2 inch hanger bolts), it really depends on the diameter of your perch. For a cockatiel, you can probably won't go any thicker than 3/4 inch diameter, so a 10-24 hanger bolt (you would then need to get 10-24 winged nuts to go with this... and well, the washers would just need to have a big enough hole that the bolt can go through and is wide enough for your cage bars). I ordered the hanger bolts from mcmaster too a I couldn't find them locally.

    • @DownyZ
      @DownyZ Před 10 lety

      ngxx0057 This is turning into such a nightmare for me! I ordered 0.102 SS wire from McMaster, and it didn't come on a spool. I don't much like working with the coil. So, I see in your video you clearly have the wire on a spool (as McMillian's catalogue said this comes on a spool), so where on earth do you get a spool of this 0.102 SS wire, please? I can see I will have to get some sort of end for it, as with the first one I made I was able to just bend the wire around the holder. I wonder if I'll ever get this right! You never did introduce yourself on this video, so I'll just say thanks for your time. :)

    • @maryngo1452
      @maryngo1452 Před 10 lety

      DownyZ
      Sorry to hear that you're having so many problems. The video is of me working with 0.064 inch diameter wire, so that's why it came on a spool. My 0.102 wire came coiled. I actually didn't mind it coiled as for boings, it meant that I didn't have to coil it. And it's easier to straightened coiled stuff than try to coil something that is wrapped around a spool; especially something as thick as 0.102. To be specific, I get the Bend-and-Stay 302/304 Stainless Steel Wire, 0.102" Diameter, 1 lb. Coil, 36' Long. In a coiled position, it's a little harder to work with, but it's not bad once you get the hang of it (especially if I hold the loose end with my foot or something so it doesn't spring all over the place).

  • @ChickstasHobby
    @ChickstasHobby Před 10 lety

    how much would you say this cost to make ?

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 10 lety +1

      So for the supplies, it would probably cost me around $12-15 and that would make 2- 5 foot long perches... or 2 boings.

  • @BladeAerialFox
    @BladeAerialFox Před 6 lety

    Would this be good for budgies?

    • @maryngo1452
      @maryngo1452 Před 6 lety

      Yes. My parrotlet is a bit smaller than a budgie and he uses the same rope boings.

    • @BladeAerialFox
      @BladeAerialFox Před 6 lety

      could making a rope out of string also work?

    • @maryngo1452
      @maryngo1452 Před 6 lety

      Probably, you just have to get the twist on it tight, otherwise nails and toes will get caught in it.

  • @DownyZ
    @DownyZ Před 10 lety

    I'm so disappointed with the results I got. It doesn't hold the boing at all. I need a really big, or long, one for my Quakers. I got them an Activity Center that is way big, so this would bring them a place to get around, but after $60 of goods, nothing is working all that well. As usually, frustrated and near to tears. I used 16 gauge SS wire, but it's just doesn't hold the boing as well.

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 10 lety

      16 gauge is too small for the weight that you're using it for (weight of the bird and the amount of cotton rope). You're going to need something thicker than that like 10 gauge. I use 8-10 gauge wire for my bigger birds and works great. The 16 gauge I used to make a small boing for my parrotlets.

  • @patriciakoenig3966
    @patriciakoenig3966 Před 6 měsíci

    What kind of bird is that?

  • @anandi483
    @anandi483 Před 3 lety +1

    It’s a wonderful video but really hard to hear you .

  • @grizzlymagnum6505
    @grizzlymagnum6505 Před 5 lety

    This is really helpfull. But it is difficult to hear beacuse of the birds

  • @jema.flores
    @jema.flores Před 5 lety

    I can't hear shit but I didn't mind❤️

  • @mytiger8butterfly
    @mytiger8butterfly Před 7 lety

    lol hes a spazz

    • @mytiger8butterfly
      @mytiger8butterfly Před 7 lety +1

      he like you need to work littl faster wat do i pay you for woman lol

  • @Bluesidian
    @Bluesidian Před 4 lety

    omg that racket would drive me crazy.

  • @ccdepp9050
    @ccdepp9050 Před 5 lety

    Hello, as I mentioned in a previous comment, I'm so grateful 2 your video but u really need 2 list the following warning: PLEASE UPDATE YOUR VIDEO & COMMENT SECTION 2 keep people's birds safe 2 let them know they****should NOT use galvanized wire***** for this, must b Zinc FREE like food grade welder TIG wire is. I almost poisoned my bird before I realized this.

    • @ngxx0057
      @ngxx0057  Před 5 lety +1

      LOL, youtube updated and took me forever to figure out how to update the description. Hopefully that'll clear it up for other people. I never specifically mentioned using galvanized wire, always stated in the comments that it was stainless steel that I was using. As for getting a new video with updates, probably not going to happen any time soon, I don't have the spare time to do it.

    • @ccdepp9050
      @ccdepp9050 Před 5 lety

      @@ngxx0057 I hope so. Unfortunately even well educated folks don't understand that stainless steel can b comprised of different metals, it's not all the same. And if folks can only find it say online or homedepot...they may b getting the wrong thing. I did that initially before my spaz mind kicked in! I may keep popping by just 2 remind folks zinc is toxic & not all stainless steel is safe

  • @DJZmom326
    @DJZmom326 Před 9 lety +2

    Love the toy would love to make it however I can't hear anything you are saying.......maybe next time try in a more quiet place so we can hear what is going on this video does nothing for someone who is blind and can't hear a word you say half the time

  • @gaynorfernandez8001
    @gaynorfernandez8001 Před 6 lety

    You can't just throw your bird like that RIP wassabi

    • @maryngo1452
      @maryngo1452 Před 6 lety

      The little bugger is still going strong 4 years later. Nope didn't throw him at all, he just came with my arm when I pulled away because he chomped it.... he just wouldn't let go!

  • @Zeiram20
    @Zeiram20 Před 7 lety +1

    i literally couldnt hear over that god awful racket lol

  • @iioxky2266
    @iioxky2266 Před 8 lety

    Ho no

  • @mytiger8butterfly
    @mytiger8butterfly Před 7 lety

    stop talking a work lol mom m

  • @nbt2397
    @nbt2397 Před 9 lety +1

    we get it - you have brids. there is no need to make the video with them chirping on the background. cannot hear anything!

  • @xpj1000
    @xpj1000 Před 4 lety +1

    not gonna finish watching. the birds are too annoying because they're too close to the mic. better luck next time.

  • @juliejenkins2376
    @juliejenkins2376 Před 5 lety +1

    Please , don't make your next video in your bird room. I can barely hear you over the birds. FYI, viewers don't watch this video with earphones. Your ears will be ringing afterwards.

  • @khalidkakaw954
    @khalidkakaw954 Před 9 lety

    عمل جميل ومفيد .. تسلم الايادي