I am looking to paint 2 brigades of Warlord ACW figures. They were given to me by another gamer at our wargames club. He was totally outfaced by the number of figures in the box. But the Warlord boxes are short on skirmishers, command figures and options for the artillery. So I will be going to Kallistra for those. Rules, I loath Black Power, so we will be using Fighting Brothers ACW rules.
As you have seen I have stuff already in this scale, and I am looking at these thinking, yes, they look great, and I want to do them!!! Check out my other videos about ACW gaming as well.
I can’t see how casualties will be accounted for. Originally I rolled a die for every 8 figures and the number rolled was the figures killed at short range. The die roll was halved for long range. As new rules were introduced casualties were counted in men, one figure equal to 20 men, so every 20 men killed a figure was removed. Then a later rule set went back to figures killed with a different method of calculating figure removal, with no book keeping. Next bases were in 2 ranks and 2 files, ie. 4 figures per base. That was the late 1980’s I think. (The 2nd edition of Koenig Krieg). The average battalion size being 12 figures in 2 ranks on 3 bases. Since then for 15mm figures base sizes have increased to 30mm, 6 figures in 2 ranks an 40mm, 8 figures in 2 ranks using a D6 to count figures lost although a square base with a casualty figure mounted an the sides numbered from 1 to 4. A hexagon or an octagon can be used for 6 or 8 figure bases. A D20 could be used to count figures lost to remove a 20figure base?? By the time of Waterloo most if not all nations were deploying in 2 rank lines for a battalion frontage but squares were 4 ranks deep per side, but Britain had 10 companies, ie. 8 centre companies one grenadier company and 1 light company which was brigaded with the other light companies in the brigade. A square was in fact a rectangle with, in theory, the 8 centre companies forming the the sides of the rectangle with the grenadier forming in a half company frontage (2 platoons deep) at the front of the rectangle and the light company forming 4 deep at the rear. French battalions had 6 companies, 4 centre, 1 grenadier and 1 voltigeur company. I would imagine the French used the same system regarding the forming of a square as the British, but their centre companies were around twice the size of the British an the same goes for their grenadier and light companies. Forming a 60 figure battalion with the British looks great but to do this you have to cut the grenadiers and the light company bases in half or whatever the bases are supplied in. For the ACW I think a 4 company system was used like the French but excluding the grenadier and light companies. Again to form March columns the bases nee to be cut in half. Well worth the effort to remodel the figures although I would prefer 2 figure wide bases. Just my 2 p worth.
Try Fighting Brothers. A base takes a number of hits (4 for a close order infantry base) before being removed. 3 bases to a unit as standard but more can be added to make more powerful units.
This is going to be a great way to start into the period or even the hobby itself. Its cheap. The starter bundle has 15 Regiments per side. That's an impressive amount for a game in itself. Yes it needs cavalry added. I've seen some photos with what I expect are dismounted cavalry firing. These will work perfectly for skirmishes. don't be surprised if Zouaves are released as a back up pack. Who knows maybe gattling guns too. The best bit are they are being made in blue and grey plastic. So you can buy these for your youngsters (or yourself) and they can get straight into playing without the need to paint anything. That can come later.
Yep, all the follow up products, Cavalry, Zouaves, Iron Brigade will be in there own packs, make out of warlord resin. The coloured plastics is a great step forward. Play whilst you paint. I am blutacking these down to paint on the bases whilst i play.
Enjoyed the video, I'm really looking forward to this. Quite a few club members are buying into this so I'm glad I held off buying a 6mm Confederate army. Keep us updated with the sprues you get with the mag.
Sorry, late comment.... Could you let me know what that storage box was? I have a lot of 28mm storage but not considered for this scale yet. That box looked efficient.
This looks very promising, hopefully this is the start of a mainstream shift away from 28mm Mass Battles and gives people the open door to explore smaller scales. I play my ACW in 6mm but I might get a starter or two just to support the idea.
The pictures from wargames illustrated do seem to.show.they can. I will be playing around with some sprues when my WI issue drops. Seeing how they fit, and seeing if my spare Kallistra can make me additional command strips.
Not yet. We havnt see pictures of mounted cavalry yet, just dismounted. I suspect dismounted will be first wave. We were told 2 weeks after the starter set for the first wave. Obviously depending on covid etc.
It's very exciting. My only concerns are with the stand size being 60mm: too wide for terrain features like roads/bridges and the ruleset (peterpig) I was intending to use has a stand width of 30mm. Still pre-ordered mine though always wanted to do acw.
Hi there, I still think it will be compatible with Peter Pig rules. However you would be counting each 60mm base as 2 bases. First hit turn the base around. Second hit replace with a 30x20 base. Third hit turn that around, 4th hit remove. I will be using Kallistra for my half bases.
@@Unclecthulu That's a good solution I think I may try that myself. You couldn't make a formation an odd number of bases wide though with this method if I'm understanding it correctly.
I think wargaming had lost the essence of 'war' gaming. The hobby shifted, tiny abstract 28mm units have become the norm and the battlefield now looks more like a punch up in Oxfam rather than an awe inspiring panorama of war. I'm hoping this redresses the balance and gamers once more command huge armies over large battlefields.
I agree, the focus on competition winning, 28mm Instagram super pretty models has been the a real issue. People worry too much about buttons rather than the grand scale. A beautiful mini just doesn’t stand out when surrounded by 4000 others
@@wargameshobby They just did it so you can't use another company's figures and have to buy Warlord only, classic UK producer stunt (looking at you GW).
I am looking to paint 2 brigades of Warlord ACW figures. They were given to me by another gamer at our wargames club. He was totally outfaced by the number of figures in the box.
But the Warlord boxes are short on skirmishers, command figures and options for the artillery. So I will be going to Kallistra for those.
Rules, I loath Black Power, so we will be using Fighting Brothers ACW rules.
I am quite excited for this new scale endeavour! This is how I’ll finally take a step into gaming the ACW.
As you have seen I have stuff already in this scale, and I am looking at these thinking, yes, they look great, and I want to do them!!! Check out my other videos about ACW gaming as well.
I can’t see how casualties will be accounted for. Originally I rolled a die for every 8 figures and the number rolled was the figures killed at short range. The die roll was halved for long range.
As new rules were introduced casualties were counted in men, one figure equal to 20 men, so every 20 men killed a figure was removed.
Then a later rule set went back to figures killed with a different method of calculating figure removal, with no book keeping.
Next bases were in 2 ranks and 2 files, ie. 4 figures per base. That was the late 1980’s I think. (The 2nd edition of Koenig Krieg).
The average battalion size being 12 figures in 2 ranks on 3 bases.
Since then for 15mm figures base sizes have increased to 30mm, 6 figures in 2 ranks an 40mm, 8 figures in 2 ranks using a D6 to count figures lost although a square base with a casualty figure mounted an the sides numbered from 1 to 4. A hexagon or an octagon can be used for 6 or 8 figure bases.
A D20 could be used to count figures lost to remove a 20figure base??
By the time of Waterloo most if not all nations were deploying in 2 rank lines for a battalion frontage but squares were 4 ranks deep per side, but Britain had 10 companies, ie. 8 centre companies one grenadier company and 1 light company which was brigaded with the other light companies in the brigade.
A square was in fact a rectangle with, in theory, the 8 centre companies forming the the sides of the rectangle with the grenadier forming in a half company frontage (2 platoons deep) at the front of the rectangle and the light company forming 4 deep at the rear.
French battalions had 6 companies, 4 centre, 1 grenadier and 1 voltigeur company. I would imagine the French used the same system regarding the forming of a square as the British, but their centre companies were around twice the size of the British an the same goes for their grenadier and light companies.
Forming a 60 figure battalion with the British looks great but to do this you have to cut the grenadiers and the light company bases in half or whatever the bases are supplied in.
For the ACW I think a 4 company system was used like the French but excluding the grenadier and light companies.
Again to form March columns the bases nee to be cut in half. Well worth the effort to remodel the figures although I would prefer 2 figure wide bases. Just my 2 p worth.
Try Fighting Brothers. A base takes a number of hits (4 for a close order infantry base) before being removed. 3 bases to a unit as standard but more can be added to make more powerful units.
As a Wargamer yes it's a good way to go, but as just a painter like myself I think it's going to be on my want list
This is going to be a great way to start into the period or even the hobby itself. Its cheap. The starter bundle has 15 Regiments per side. That's an impressive amount for a game in itself. Yes it needs cavalry added. I've seen some photos with what I expect are dismounted cavalry firing. These will work perfectly for skirmishes. don't be surprised if Zouaves are released as a back up pack. Who knows maybe gattling guns too. The best bit are they are being made in blue and grey plastic. So you can buy these for your youngsters (or yourself) and they can get straight into playing without the need to paint anything. That can come later.
Yep, all the follow up products, Cavalry, Zouaves, Iron Brigade will be in there own packs, make out of warlord resin. The coloured plastics is a great step forward. Play whilst you paint. I am blutacking these down to paint on the bases whilst i play.
Cavalry not really used in ACW battles (except as dismounted, apart from a chap called Custer).
Enjoyed the video, I'm really looking forward to this. Quite a few club members are buying into this so I'm glad I held off buying a 6mm Confederate army. Keep us updated with the sprues you get with the mag.
Picking up contrast paint tomorrow, and will do some In Contrast and some via my normal method as well. So it will be a good comparison.
Going to be hell trying to find copies in WHSmith - just like the mtbs all over again
Yep I know, I ordered a couple direct from Wargames Illustrated.
Sorry, late comment.... Could you let me know what that storage box was? I have a lot of 28mm storage but not considered for this scale yet. That box looked efficient.
This looks very promising, hopefully this is the start of a mainstream shift away from 28mm Mass Battles and gives people the open door to explore smaller scales.
I play my ACW in 6mm but I might get a starter or two just to support the idea.
I agree, nothing creates a sense of big battle than smaller scales.
28mm great for skirmishes or massive tables, but not I fear the humble 6x4.
Really interested in this. Have some Kallistra, which I think are about 12mm. Probably won't fit alomgside
The pictures from wargames illustrated do seem to.show.they can.
I will be playing around with some sprues when my WI issue drops.
Seeing how they fit, and seeing if my spare Kallistra can make me additional command strips.
czcams.com/video/SiSw5rfDqwo/video.html if you have not seen this video, i use the Kallistra command.
Has anyone heard when they might start producing cavalry for epic scale?
Not yet. We havnt see pictures of mounted cavalry yet, just dismounted.
I suspect dismounted will be first wave. We were told 2 weeks after the starter set for the first wave. Obviously depending on covid etc.
Kallistra figures do everything you will need and they fit with the Warlord figures.
It's very exciting. My only concerns are with the stand size being 60mm: too wide for terrain features like roads/bridges and the ruleset (peterpig) I was intending to use has a stand width of 30mm. Still pre-ordered mine though always wanted to do acw.
Hi there, I still think it will be compatible with Peter Pig rules. However you would be counting each 60mm base as 2 bases.
First hit turn the base around. Second hit replace with a 30x20 base. Third hit turn that around, 4th hit remove.
I will be using Kallistra for my half bases.
@@Unclecthulu That's a good solution I think I may try that myself. You couldn't make a formation an odd number of bases wide though with this method if I'm understanding it correctly.
@@Wooteq44 no odd numbers, unless you made more 30x20 bases.
However I used 6 bases as my standard unit for those rules anyways.
I think wargaming had lost the essence of 'war' gaming. The hobby shifted, tiny abstract 28mm units have become the norm and the battlefield now looks more like a punch up in Oxfam rather than an awe inspiring panorama of war.
I'm hoping this redresses the balance and gamers once more command huge armies over large battlefields.
Yes I agree, scale wise it will look great.
I agree, the focus on competition winning, 28mm Instagram super pretty models has been the a real issue. People worry too much about buttons rather than the grand scale. A beautiful mini just doesn’t stand out when surrounded by 4000 others
I have heard it is 13mm.
That is correct. I think i will get a video up tomorrow showing some samples off.
Yes, more like 12/13mm. Does wargaming need another scale?
@@wargameshobby They just did it so you can't use another company's figures and have to buy Warlord only, classic UK producer stunt (looking at you GW).