A bit out of focus, forgot to adjust the camera earlier. Will be out with a full recipe for the flat bottoms in a short time. I need to test the release of gases. If I'm using this method properly I feel like we can degas the coffee and get full saturation earlier so you can probably get a fuller extraction with less water.
I absolutely love the Orea. Never enjoyed flat bottom drippers but really love the quality of the cup of coffee I get to where the acidity isn’t absurdly overpowering. I love fruity cups of coffee but I don’t love thin lacking fruity cups of coffee. Sure it may be clean and I might get the flavor separation but If I already know the coffee a depth can be found. And to be honest it’s nice just to change it up. These days it’s either Orea or Switch for my pour over and with either it’s with the melodrip. For me I really started to understand wow It’s a me problem when things weren’t working. May have been pouring to slow for the grind size or 2 fast, some coffee’s want different things out of me especially in terms of Light Roast in the way a company like Sey does it. Knowledge and experience really really starts to matters.
I just got the Orea V4, it is modular and has a somewhat conical option, but is designed for multiple designs of a flat brewer. And, with it being my first flat, I was really disappointed. I can't replicate the bright acidity that I get on my v60. That, and, the April dripper doesn't really have this problem I don't think, but the Orea design is so steep that the first pour is too fast, then it really slows down and I can't push the coffee as much. Flat bottom drippers seem, for me, to produce a more subtle and muted cup. Maybe I just haven't dialed in properly since I am so accustom to my v60. Appreciate the video!
We have similar perspectives on flat bottoms then! Many people love it so I had to give it many tries .. I mean it's not bad but I definitely need to change my mindset when brewing it. Try it out with a droplet pour maybe it'll help! I wonder if flat bottoms also really extract faster it's the next thing I'm going to test out >.
I have a question I use the kalita 102 and no matter the method I end up with a bitter and sometimes sour cup using a timemore c3 at 16 clicks any tips?
Bitter is generally from high heat + popping the bubbles too much. I think the lack of balance from acidity is from your grind size being too coarse let me look this up. . Yeah 16 clicks is WAYYYY too coarse. I'm actually around the 10 click mark so try there first and get back to me. Pour slower and make sure to target all the floating grinds more! Just you wait I'll be filming and releasing a full recipe video on Saturday morning! (My time)
Love flat bottom❤❤. I would have an MK Dripper, Blue bottle dripper, April Brewer... Unfortunately there's none in my country. About the Kalita Wave i made a whole study with a colleague of my. It's ridiculous how Kalita sells ther waves like if they the same dripper, and they aren't. The Steel is one dripper, the Hasami (ceramic) is other, Sangan (ceramic) other, Glass completely different (and better, is the best overral, just very fragile, it's up to the point that looks like they made to break) and Tsubame (just the glass version in steel 3x times more expensive, and more durable). It's crazy. Don't want to look like a HARIO fanboy, but every V60 is a freaking V60, the material change affects? Of course, but there's no design changes to overcome a design issue of other version. And when they do a new one, has it's one name, is sell as another product, like the switch and the Mugen (the most underrated dripper in my opinion).
I fully agree with you, the MK I've never tried .. I paid a large amount for the April to be shipped here when it first released ahaha. . The Kalita .. I'm in FULL AGREEANCE. They all perform SOOOO differently it's a little ridiculous. The holes on the metal are smaller, they get clogged it's just a mess .. I tried and have the ceramic (my friend takes it often) but yeah. . Hario's are just great ya? I guess the material changes a little but hardly .. The metal is best imo cause it pulls the most microfines to the edges but that's about it. The Mugen is AMAZING, but the walls are a bit tall if they had a 01 Mugen it would be best :)
Not too bad honestly, simply because it works the same. The only issue is because there's no "support" it tends to dip down into more of a ball shaped. Maybe I should talk about this, even though it's not a huge issue haha.
@@TALESCOFFEE in my experience I get a fruitier and cleaner cup with cone filters and more body and sweetness with the wave filter using the same recipe. Also brew time is a bit longer with the wave filters. So I just choose depending on the mood haha! Keep up the nice work! 👍🏻
Thanks! Haha, yeah I think cones re always going to be more clean because of the way the oils must pass through more grinds (I noted in a video back that grinds reabsorb the oils released) so cones absorb more oils for a cleaner taste. Flat's have more oils passing through since the bottom is wider. Thanks! Hope you enjoy the method :D@@Legolas09
Haha, some people that have been to my store appreciate my coffees, they wanted me to teach some of their clients and started offering pourover classes where I'm the teacher. So here I am occassionally doing some classes :P
As a beginner I just went to my local shop to get a pour over setup. They recommended the ceramic Melitta pour over cone and a Bodum gooseneck. Don't see many videos with this brewer. Would love to see some content with it! @@TALESCOFFEE
anything that uses the flat bottom paper has the same problem. It's just shallow bed depth. Need to change the pouring technique to match it. Try the droplet pour it helps with the first drip quite a bit!
LMAO not quite the filter paper is great still! The not so friendly french press .. there's a new one holy I should get it and review it but I think it is way too not budget friendly lmao@@POWned911
Haha, I'll probably do it anyways this is more like a splice of life/my journey in coffee kinda channel now :P I don't care what my sub counts are just gonna post what I discover hehehe@@POWned911
Research Bonavita Enthusiast 8cup coffee maker. Its filter holder is for Flat Beds. Why have it received Top Rated. Ratio 6 is like a close second. The Enthusiast has a Circular showerhead. I seen mine do circular pour. Pulsing pours, center streaming pour double thick. It knows how and when to vary pour styles. It also changes at less than half carafee vs full carafee. You get Clarity. Complexity. sweetness, full body. I own v60. Hario switch. Chemix. Those uses Tall beds. Why does the Bonavita Enthusiast produces such Exceptional Cups. With Flat Filter Beds. Even with 30g coffee and under.
Yeah I want the plastic one too for both reasons lol. It's just what someone told me, like it's not BPA free or something. Not that I care THAT much but yeah ahaha.@@Waisonian
@@TALESCOFFEE I did look it up. I think the first 2 versions were plastics with BPA. The V3 mk2 (one I have) is BPA free so there you go! I also think it's nicer. But I'll still watch your Stagg X stuff haha
HAHAHAHAHA I DID!!! Not as much anymore .. it's mostly the shallow bed depth. Water draining out too quickly is bad and creates a very weak start to the brew. Needed a solution for it >.< Finally got it!
Pour over is been going on for decades, and not a day goes by without some youtuber presenting us with a method that will revolutionize the whole thing. I'm waiting for the next one to tell us that standing on one foot brings out the coffee's acidity better 🤣
Hey man, the droplet pour really does solve the problems of the flat bottom. At least for me, but if I have to stand on one foot to brew better coffee .. damn I'll do it. I'll even make a shorts just for you and try to convince people because of my ADHD standing on one foot allows me to have more balance 🤣
@@TALESCOFFEE I'm going to devote my CZcams viewing time to people who say 'this technically solves MY problem in THOSE circumstances (what coffee? what roast level? what water temperature? and most importantly, what are the taste preferences?). There are hundreds of coffee professionals who use this equipment without any problems. You have every right not to like their technique and to prefer your own. But to say that you've solved a general problem for everyone is very pretentious, my friend. And don't take it personally, I make the same comment when Mister Hoffman gives us his 'ultimate techniques' and explains that the little swirl before pressing the Aeropress changes everything 🙄. It may change something for HIM, with HIS tastes and the coffee he's brewing. But there's nothing universal about it. I hope your YT channel will be as successful as you expect it to be. All the best.
Oh I actually tell people never to follow recipes as much and just watch the gases. If you watch my other videos I talk about how gases determine how fast things are being released. Finer grinds have a more "even" extraction because the deviation of grind size is smaller. A coarser one is more "even" but higher deviation. As for droplet pour method it should be relevant for ALL wider flat bottoms due to the lack of bed depth. If you use a stream it'll just pass right through, it's regardless of bean typing. I produce videos on my discoveries for people to follow along, you can try and fail. I'm learning new things too but the droplet pour does fundamentally fix issues I personally have with the flat bottoms. As for swirling ... ahha that method is a joke. Swirling causes the most uneven of extractions because the top and the bottom are separated more then ever and swirling moves the outside more then the inside. Logically it's a very poor technique Happy brewing my guy, I'm not here to make people mad or get mad. It's chill we just talk about shit that we discover it's like whatever. You can follow the journey, you don't have to. It's not like the technique is a must but it's something you could try and see how it goes ^^@@franckbald3750
A bit out of focus, forgot to adjust the camera earlier. Will be out with a full recipe for the flat bottoms in a short time. I need to test the release of gases. If I'm using this method properly I feel like we can degas the coffee and get full saturation earlier so you can probably get a fuller extraction with less water.
I used a step drill bit and made all 3 holes on my kalita wave wider … TOTAL game changer 🎉
😂 that’s so much work tho! But yeah gotta work with what you have! The metal one is the only one with this problem >.
I enjoy your teaching style. Much more understandable for those of us who are newer to speciality coffee! Thanks!
Awesome, thx this helps a lot. Imma try it out tomorrow
Glad to help! Hope it helps actually!
thanks for sharing your vlog ☕🍰😊
Haha you’re welcome! Hope you liked it I’m going to try to keep more of this kind of content coming. More like my journey in coffee hehehe
I absolutely love the Orea. Never enjoyed flat bottom drippers but really love the quality of the cup of coffee I get to where the acidity isn’t absurdly overpowering. I love fruity cups of coffee but I don’t love thin lacking fruity cups of coffee. Sure it may be clean and I might get the flavor separation but If I already know the coffee a depth can be found. And to be honest it’s nice just to change it up. These days it’s either Orea or Switch for my pour over and with either it’s with the melodrip.
For me I really started to understand wow It’s a me problem when things weren’t working. May have been pouring to slow for the grind size or 2 fast, some coffee’s want different things out of me especially in terms of Light Roast in the way a company like Sey does it. Knowledge and experience really really starts to matters.
I just got the Orea V4, it is modular and has a somewhat conical option, but is designed for multiple designs of a flat brewer. And, with it being my first flat, I was really disappointed. I can't replicate the bright acidity that I get on my v60. That, and, the April dripper doesn't really have this problem I don't think, but the Orea design is so steep that the first pour is too fast, then it really slows down and I can't push the coffee as much. Flat bottom drippers seem, for me, to produce a more subtle and muted cup. Maybe I just haven't dialed in properly since I am so accustom to my v60. Appreciate the video!
We have similar perspectives on flat bottoms then! Many people love it so I had to give it many tries .. I mean it's not bad but I definitely need to change my mindset when brewing it. Try it out with a droplet pour maybe it'll help!
I wonder if flat bottoms also really extract faster it's the next thing I'm going to test out >.
I have a question I use the kalita 102 and no matter the method I end up with a bitter and sometimes sour cup using a timemore c3 at 16 clicks any tips?
Bitter is generally from high heat + popping the bubbles too much. I think the lack of balance from acidity is from your grind size being too coarse let me look this up.
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Yeah 16 clicks is WAYYYY too coarse. I'm actually around the 10 click mark so try there first and get back to me. Pour slower and make sure to target all the floating grinds more! Just you wait I'll be filming and releasing a full recipe video on Saturday morning! (My time)
Love flat bottom❤❤. I would have an MK Dripper, Blue bottle dripper, April Brewer... Unfortunately there's none in my country.
About the Kalita Wave i made a whole study with a colleague of my. It's ridiculous how Kalita sells ther waves like if they the same dripper, and they aren't. The Steel is one dripper, the Hasami (ceramic) is other, Sangan (ceramic) other, Glass completely different (and better, is the best overral, just very fragile, it's up to the point that looks like they made to break) and Tsubame (just the glass version in steel 3x times more expensive, and more durable). It's crazy.
Don't want to look like a HARIO fanboy, but every V60 is a freaking V60, the material change affects? Of course, but there's no design changes to overcome a design issue of other version. And when they do a new one, has it's one name, is sell as another product, like the switch and the Mugen (the most underrated dripper in my opinion).
I fully agree with you, the MK I've never tried .. I paid a large amount for the April to be shipped here when it first released ahaha.
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The Kalita .. I'm in FULL AGREEANCE. They all perform SOOOO differently it's a little ridiculous. The holes on the metal are smaller, they get clogged it's just a mess .. I tried and have the ceramic (my friend takes it often) but yeah.
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Hario's are just great ya? I guess the material changes a little but hardly .. The metal is best imo cause it pulls the most microfines to the edges but that's about it. The Mugen is AMAZING, but the walls are a bit tall if they had a 01 Mugen it would be best :)
Hello! I’m curious to know your thoughts on the origami with flat bottom filters
Not too bad honestly, simply because it works the same. The only issue is because there's no "support" it tends to dip down into more of a ball shaped. Maybe I should talk about this, even though it's not a huge issue haha.
@@TALESCOFFEE in my experience I get a fruitier and cleaner cup with cone filters and more body and sweetness with the wave filter using the same recipe. Also brew time is a bit longer with the wave filters. So I just choose depending on the mood haha! Keep up the nice work! 👍🏻
Thanks! Haha, yeah I think cones re always going to be more clean because of the way the oils must pass through more grinds (I noted in a video back that grinds reabsorb the oils released) so cones absorb more oils for a cleaner taste.
Flat's have more oils passing through since the bottom is wider. Thanks! Hope you enjoy the method :D@@Legolas09
@@TALESCOFFEE that makes sense haha, Thanks! 🙏🏼
Bravo Vince, Bravo !!!! excellent excellent video. I knew someday you would succumb to the flat world...... 😂
HAHAHAHAH Hey, I admit my short comings :P Getting there! Will come up with a recipe soon!
Wait, you're a teacher?? Sounds like I should take some barista lessons from you if I'm ever in the US 😄
Haha, some people that have been to my store appreciate my coffees, they wanted me to teach some of their clients and started offering pourover classes where I'm the teacher. So here I am occassionally doing some classes :P
I use a malitta . It's kinda like a flat bottom with a cone shape
Oh yes! This one I am familiar with too! I don't use it much but do you like it?
@@TALESCOFFEE I like it for making a full pot cause it's a large dripper. I use hatio v60-03 for a smaller pot of coffee
As a beginner I just went to my local shop to get a pour over setup. They recommended the ceramic Melitta pour over cone and a Bodum gooseneck. Don't see many videos with this brewer. Would love to see some content with it! @@TALESCOFFEE
@@DannyBensonGolf the melitta? Not a bad dripper all drippers are good it’s how we brew with them hehehe sure!
How does this compare to origami with flat bottom
anything that uses the flat bottom paper has the same problem. It's just shallow bed depth. Need to change the pouring technique to match it. Try the droplet pour it helps with the first drip quite a bit!
April Dripper have won the Worlds at Milan. Think year 2021. Winner's Recipe is posted. Flats have their Stories. Some Exceptional Stories.
But i knew you couldn't resist the stir.... :/
Stirring is god still, I tried without .. maybe I need a plunger to suction it up and down for fun LMAO
@@TALESCOFFEE Not-so-budget french press? 😂
LMAO not quite the filter paper is great still! The not so friendly french press .. there's a new one holy I should get it and review it but I think it is way too not budget friendly lmao@@POWned911
@@TALESCOFFEE Sounds like a fun idea for a little subscriber challenge, 15K subs before april and you'll review it? 😜
Haha, I'll probably do it anyways this is more like a splice of life/my journey in coffee kinda channel now :P I don't care what my sub counts are just gonna post what I discover hehehe@@POWned911
Research Bonavita Enthusiast 8cup coffee maker. Its filter holder is for Flat Beds. Why have it received Top Rated. Ratio 6 is like a close second. The Enthusiast has a Circular showerhead. I seen mine do circular pour. Pulsing pours, center streaming pour double thick. It knows how and when to vary pour styles. It also changes at less than half carafee vs full carafee.
You get Clarity. Complexity. sweetness, full body. I own v60. Hario switch. Chemix.
Those uses Tall beds.
Why does the Bonavita Enthusiast produces such Exceptional Cups. With Flat Filter Beds. Even with 30g coffee and under.
I also have 3 different reusable flat bed filters to chane flow rates. Able, Goldtone, Yeosen.
Great! Now you can try out Orea :).
That's also on my list, but I heard it's got an issue with the type of plastic or something. I'll get the stagg first and see!
@@TALESCOFFEE really? I got the plastic because of better heat retention. And cheaper than their ceramic version :p.
Yeah I want the plastic one too for both reasons lol. It's just what someone told me, like it's not BPA free or something. Not that I care THAT much but yeah ahaha.@@Waisonian
Also don't quote me, I didn't fact check. I was just deciding between orea and stagg. TBF I think orea looks better but .. =X
@@TALESCOFFEE I did look it up. I think the first 2 versions were plastics with BPA. The V3 mk2 (one I have) is BPA free so there you go! I also think it's nicer. But I'll still watch your Stagg X stuff haha
VINCE WHY DO YOU HATE FLAT BOTTOMS?
HAHAHAHAHA I DID!!! Not as much anymore .. it's mostly the shallow bed depth. Water draining out too quickly is bad and creates a very weak start to the brew. Needed a solution for it >.< Finally got it!
First Thermal Shock now Flat Bottoms who am I even watching anymore 😅
IKR, who am I anymore 🤣
B75 slaps
oh true I have a time more b75 as well I completely forgot about that LMAO THANKS FOR THE REMINDER!
@@TALESCOFFEE do a video on all the flat bottoms you have
I really should shouldn't I, when I get my new drippers coming I'll probably do it too haha@@paulfresh
Pour over is been going on for decades, and not a day goes by without some youtuber presenting us with a method that will revolutionize the whole thing. I'm waiting for the next one to tell us that standing on one foot brings out the coffee's acidity better 🤣
Hey man, the droplet pour really does solve the problems of the flat bottom. At least for me, but if I have to stand on one foot to brew better coffee .. damn I'll do it. I'll even make a shorts just for you and try to convince people because of my ADHD standing on one foot allows me to have more balance 🤣
@@TALESCOFFEE I'm going to devote my CZcams viewing time to people who say 'this technically solves MY problem in THOSE circumstances (what coffee? what roast level? what water temperature? and most importantly, what are the taste preferences?). There are hundreds of coffee professionals who use this equipment without any problems. You have every right not to like their technique and to prefer your own. But to say that you've solved a general problem for everyone is very pretentious, my friend. And don't take it personally, I make the same comment when Mister Hoffman gives us his 'ultimate techniques' and explains that the little swirl before pressing the Aeropress changes everything 🙄. It may change something for HIM, with HIS tastes and the coffee he's brewing. But there's nothing universal about it. I hope your YT channel will be as successful as you expect it to be. All the best.
Oh I actually tell people never to follow recipes as much and just watch the gases. If you watch my other videos I talk about how gases determine how fast things are being released. Finer grinds have a more "even" extraction because the deviation of grind size is smaller. A coarser one is more "even" but higher deviation.
As for droplet pour method it should be relevant for ALL wider flat bottoms due to the lack of bed depth. If you use a stream it'll just pass right through, it's regardless of bean typing.
I produce videos on my discoveries for people to follow along, you can try and fail. I'm learning new things too but the droplet pour does fundamentally fix issues I personally have with the flat bottoms.
As for swirling ... ahha that method is a joke. Swirling causes the most uneven of extractions because the top and the bottom are separated more then ever and swirling moves the outside more then the inside. Logically it's a very poor technique
Happy brewing my guy, I'm not here to make people mad or get mad. It's chill we just talk about shit that we discover it's like whatever. You can follow the journey, you don't have to. It's not like the technique is a must but it's something you could try and see how it goes ^^@@franckbald3750