Ferro Rod Comparison: Premium vs Budget - Nathan 4071 vs Bayite

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  • Does a PREMIUM Ferro Rod work better than a BUDGET Ferro Rod? In this video we look at the Nathan 4071 Ferro Rods that come with high praise and compare it against a budget Bayite Ferro Rod that I have been using for the past few years. Does one out perform the other? Is one a better choice than the other? There's only one way to find out...let's test them.
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  • @sirglobesalot6524
    @sirglobesalot6524 Před 3 lety +33

    I love how he isn't scared to admit that his technique was flawed and he corrected it over time and pointed out what was wrong at the same time he's educating well learning himself great video

  • @Jack_all
    @Jack_all Před 3 lety +7

    There is a phenomenon called "perceived value" where we actually believe things that cost more are more valuable.. The same bottle of wine will taste "different" to a person who is charged $200.00 opposed to $10.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety +1

      So true...exactly the case and very well said. Thanks for the comment!

  • @Badger77722
    @Badger77722 Před 3 lety +10

    I've bought Bayite ferro rods off both eBay and Amazon. All of them throw sparks just fine, so I'm good with the cheap stuff.
    I would try not to worry too much about the comments that you're doing it wrong, or wasting your money. If you're getting sparks off your ferro rod, you can't be doing too much wrong, and you haven't wasted your money if you're getting what you need - sparks.

  • @ericsimpson6700
    @ericsimpson6700 Před 3 lety +11

    This has become my favorite channel. Your honest, sincere and have a teachers heart. You don’t claim to be all-knowing, but your knowledge is extremely helpful. Keep up the great work.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety +5

      Thank you...I appreciate that. I truly try to look at things objectively and produce videos based upon my experience and to relate it to how it might apply to others. Sometimes long winded, yes...but I try to be complete! Thanks for watching!

  • @beggersbelief6932
    @beggersbelief6932 Před 3 lety +9

    Keep at it bro your doing a great job, you'll always get the detractors as when one start winging its usually followed by more...great vid..

  • @hildolfrdraugadrottin7279
    @hildolfrdraugadrottin7279 Před 3 lety +14

    Any of them will work just fine. I've bought a lot of different ones and they've all worked.
    The people telling you that you wasted your money more than likely wasted theirs buying pretty much the same thing with a handle added.

  • @makerofmanythings8447
    @makerofmanythings8447 Před 3 lety +47

    Those are probably Bayite rods he is using and marking them up with a wood handle..Let's be real..

    • @QuantumPyrite_88.9
      @QuantumPyrite_88.9 Před 3 lety +3

      Agreed and all due respect , he didn't create his own ferro rod company with a new magical chemistry . Strikers made from ceramic and high speed tool steel used with lathes is not exactly rocket science . I did it over 40 years ago .

    • @makerofmanythings8447
      @makerofmanythings8447 Před 3 lety +2

      @@QuantumPyrite_88.9 Indeed..

    • @QuantumPyrite_88.9
      @QuantumPyrite_88.9 Před 3 lety +3

      @@makerofmanythings8447 This ferro rod worship got stupid years ago and it's amusing how many individuals think using a ferro rod requires talent . Zippo lighter + spare flints with extra fuel in an eye drops bottle and common book matches . The ferro is for backup . 3 ways to start a fire and try starting a fire in freezing rain with a ferro rod after spending 10 minutes prepping the tinder . ATB

    • @makerofmanythings8447
      @makerofmanythings8447 Před 3 lety +1

      @@QuantumPyrite_88.9 Thats NOT me, you've got it backwards bro, all I carry is a fatwood farro rod firestarter with 6 foot of firecord that I make. all of the rest of the fire making implements are for yuppie, snowflakes, but that's just me, with all do respect.

    • @makerofmanythings8447
      @makerofmanythings8447 Před 3 lety +3

      I'm just missing with you bro, you make a fire with whatever you have on you and consider yourself lucky.

  • @allemander
    @allemander Před 3 lety +32

    You could try pulling the rod away from the tinder pile while bracing and keeping the scraper stationary, instead of stabilizing the rod and driving the scraper downward towards the tinder pile, where you run the risk of smashing and scattering it at the end of your sparking stroke.

    • @lordofdespair9273
      @lordofdespair9273 Před 2 lety +7

      Underrated comment here
      Usually get better results dragging the rod and not the striker
      Like you say the sparks stay closer and are better controlled

    • @allemander
      @allemander Před 2 lety +1

      @@lordofdespair9273 🙏🏼🙏🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼

  • @randybradley7427
    @randybradley7427 Před 3 lety +3

    I use Bayite Ferro rod all the time. Don't think Nathen Ferro rods are any better. You just paying for him to put a handle on it. Don't let people fool you into believing there is a difference. Keep up the good work brother

  • @Snowzeus
    @Snowzeus Před 3 lety +2

    Very nice video 🎉 I’ve used other cheaper rods(not yours) they always seemed hard. I do have a Nathan4071 rod and it seems to me it’s softer. I’m no pro. He seems like a really nice person. Thanks for your comparison. I learned something today. 🇺🇸🔥

  • @RobsLBL
    @RobsLBL Před 3 lety +10

    Super glue a small flathead nail to the end of the ferro rod for a full scrap stroke or drive the nail into the edge of the fat wood for a base platform. Use a drill bit the same size as the nailhead and drill an indentation into the bottom of the ferro rod. Place the indentation on the nailhead for stability

  • @shanesims2864
    @shanesims2864 Před 3 lety

    Great video my friend 👍👍 thank you for your time and I learned a lot !! All the best from Alabama 🙂

  • @willrobertson9481
    @willrobertson9481 Před 3 lety +1

    It looks to me you cant go wrong with either ferro rod! Very informative thankyou im interested in getting started in this hobby keepem coming

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      Thanks, and welcome to the hobby. Good luck...it gets expensive quick...haha. But very fun and lots to learn and enjoy. The best part is it forces you to get outside. Thanks for watching!

  • @Dominic.Minischetti
    @Dominic.Minischetti Před 3 lety +10

    You were holding the striker wrong. Hold it flat , then slightly lift the back edge. Maybe Nathan was having an off day. We all do. He’s a really super great guy!

    • @waveman0
      @waveman0 Před 3 lety +3

      agreed Dom, proper strike technique almost eliminates chatter. Nathan is a great guy and was probably having an off day.

    • @Dominic.Minischetti
      @Dominic.Minischetti Před 3 lety +2

      @@waveman0 Absolutley!

  • @Mandalore06
    @Mandalore06 Před 2 lety +1

    Dude sounds like Philip Fry from Futurama! That just makes my day! Great review too.

  • @keithorbell8946
    @keithorbell8946 Před 2 lety +5

    I have never had a problem with cheap ferro rods. At least Nathan was honest that it’s not the rod that makes the difference, it’s the user’s preparation of tinder and technique in producing sparks.

  • @AppaTalks
    @AppaTalks Před 3 lety +3

    I had no idea there were Ferro Rod Rivalries! Always had good experiences using no-name brands and my EDC knife.

  • @ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz
    @ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz Před 3 lety +3

    Couple things:
    1. Nathan4071 seems like a really nice guy. I just bought a striker and 8x1 inch rod with handle and he is making me a matching set. What's my secret? I was flexible about when its done or what it looks like... he is a busy guy, but he produces good quality product. He won't have time for a custom job, but that does not mean you can't get a matching set from him if you are flexible with its looks and delivery schedule.
    2. As far as ferro rods go, the correct one for you is the one you have with you. I got a little 1 inch rod and striker threaded on my shoe laces, why? Because it is with me all the time and using that would be much easier than trying to get bow drill going when stranded on an empty island.
    3. Why should anyone buy the premium rod like he 1"x8" from Nathan? Basically if you either want one or you noticed that you have FAD (Firesteel acquisition disorder). If you keep buying fire stills, because this on is longer and that one if fatter and the that one is something else... just get yourself the biggest, badest set you can get and quench your thirst.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      I told him I would take any matching set he had. Apparently not interested...

    • @ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz
      @ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz Před 3 lety

      @@outerlimitless Don't know... may be because I bought the 1"x8" rod for $125 it made a difference??? Either way, he seems like a great guy.

    • @jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897
      @jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897 Před 3 lety +1

      You maybe got him on an off day. I have had him drill holes for me in ferro rods. He made me a set.i cannot speak more highly of Nathan. He's a very generous and friendly guy. I know he went through some health challenges a while ago and was in alot of pain. Maybe it was during this period and he wasn't able to use his lathe at the time. Have you tried again in communicating about a matching set. He's a stand up guy from my experience.

  • @johnl.8616
    @johnl.8616 Před 2 lety +1

    I have the same 6x1/2" Ferro you have. Yes it all comes down to technique, the scraper and your tinder. Mine has worked great.

  • @scotthansenmtbt4110
    @scotthansenmtbt4110 Před 2 lety +3

    Thanks for that….I’ve bought a few ferro rods from nathan4071 and they are great, and so are the others from other vendors…..the thing about Nathan is he has longer ones of different sizes that others don’t offer. The bayite rods work the same…I subbed to your channel…your videos are getting better, thank you! Keep up the good work. The chatter marks on the rod make no difference, if your know what your doing….Nathan’s rods will do this also….

  • @wolfw6695
    @wolfw6695 Před 3 lety

    Well done.,they look about the same to me....Thanks for the review.

  • @stevenrobertson6656
    @stevenrobertson6656 Před 4 lety +9

    Just make sure you have a good striker. The striker is VERY important.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 4 lety +5

      The nice sharp spine is my jam! I like a good squared off knife spine for sure.

  • @kps04j
    @kps04j Před 2 lety +1

    I love my bayite! Love the size and it feels substantial and throws great sparks!

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 2 lety

      The Bayite definitely solid...it just performs...I have used mine endlessly. Thanks for watching!

  • @ronaldcoleman1323
    @ronaldcoleman1323 Před 3 lety

    Great review. Thank you.

  • @s.e.hebert7307
    @s.e.hebert7307 Před 2 lety

    LOL good job answering the haters with evidence. Genuine curiosity always wins. A+

  • @wemcal
    @wemcal Před rokem

    Great video and wonderful information.. I have the cheaper rods.. I have never had a rod that didn’t spark.. most of the time I’m striking dry grass, hay or fuel

  • @jinxjones5497
    @jinxjones5497 Před 3 lety +2

    _I've got a plethora of ferrocerium rods including Nathan4071 rods. My technique is pretty much down to pat now but brother Nathan's rods do have a nice soft easy to scrape mishmetal. They give off a gob of molten sparks. I have several of his rods and the only real competitor mixture wise is those orange handled ones on ebay for $5. They have a similar soft mishmetal but don't come in the variety or with the custom handles that Nathan makes. I like Nathan as a person and his custom rods and strikers are excellent._

  • @alexanderchampagne1149

    Just bought the budget ones in a pair and the match too😂 Forget the trolls brother. Love the vid. Great work.

  • @carpenterek
    @carpenterek Před 2 lety

    Nice, well done, thank`s!

  • @cordellkent4790
    @cordellkent4790 Před rokem

    A very fair comparison I feel. I think though that I would buy the one you use but with 4071’s striker.

  • @cypherf0x
    @cypherf0x Před 2 lety +6

    Any ferro rod you use expensive or cheap will end up with ridges if you use them enough. The Baylite rods are fine and are an excellent value. To me that Nathan 4071 is just too chunky. You can remove those ridges with some light filing. In the end who cares as long as you have a ferro rod with you and it starts a fire when you need it to.

  • @milesholland6826
    @milesholland6826 Před 2 lety

    Appreciate you objectively imparting a reality check for our social media tweaked world. All too common to get swept up in hype these days

  • @AllWeatherFirestarters
    @AllWeatherFirestarters Před 2 měsíci +1

    Great Video and Channel! Any chance on doing a product review of our Firestarter?

  • @walterbargersr3402
    @walterbargersr3402 Před 2 lety

    Awesome video awesome test on the Ferro rod did you know small wood lathe inexpensive now did you ever think about picking one up and making your own handles I've been kicking that idea around for a little bit and I think I am going to pick up a small wood lathe I start making my handles. you don't need a large wood lathe to do that kind of work. With this video you definitely proved your point well done

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 2 lety

      Thanks...yeah, I think making handles would be quite enjoyable...I love anything to do with creation and a lathe has been on my wish list for ever. Never quite pulled the trigger though

  • @elwha6025
    @elwha6025 Před 4 lety

    I've owned many over the years and my experience is some are MUCH better than others in terms of actually throwing sparks. I have a bayite and it's fine. A couple of "custom" ferro rods with fancy handles have been so-so. Some of my best ferro rods have been freebies. Haha. The light my Fire rods are good but I like larger ones, but not too big. I like a 5 inch either 3/8 or 1/2 inch diameter. I agree with Nathan that technique is crucial and with you that a good striker makes a huge difference. Great vid as usual Eric. I enjoy your vids!!

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 4 lety

      I have had a fair number of rods too...but mostly cheap ones and 3 or 4 decent ones. All in all, I do love the 1/2" diameter. I bought the 6" bayite, but I would get the 5 1/2" if I were to buy another one. Thanks for watching!

  • @doinsngoins
    @doinsngoins Před 3 lety

    Great spark off , I choose your original !

  • @LaBoofadora
    @LaBoofadora Před 3 lety +8

    That scraper is a high speed steel tool bit for a metal lathe. Stick it in a piece of broomstick and your are done.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety +1

      More or less what Nathan 4071 does. With some lathe work I guess.

  • @TheGuidedSharpeningGuide
    @TheGuidedSharpeningGuide Před 2 měsíci

    I personally like the cheaper one just because it doesn't have the giant handles on it. I just like a simple Paracord handle and usually the spine of my knife unless i decide to get fancy in that case i have a piece of 1/2 square stock filed to a 90° on each corner with a Paracord handle. Great video and thanks for your honesty and letting people know that it just takes practice.

  • @dontall71
    @dontall71 Před 2 lety +1

    Have used the Bayite for years, they work great. As you say. it's about the user's technic. Also, as far as I know any ferro will corrode and have to be maintained with a light coating of paint or oil after use.

  • @refaiabdeen5943
    @refaiabdeen5943 Před 3 lety

    Cheers Mate! I reckon at the end of the day it’s skill set what matters most of all.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      Very true, although I do find different rods to perform better than others. Grip and handle length is certainly a factor.

  • @canadianloon6433
    @canadianloon6433 Před 2 lety

    Great demo

  • @HarleyBob957
    @HarleyBob957 Před rokem +1

    Great video. I use bayite, never have had any issues, and, I also have a couple of cheapies and they throw great sparks. I think technique and quality of the tinder bundle is more important than quality of the rod. Just my thoughts..

  • @alg.3236
    @alg.3236 Před rokem

    I enjoyed the video.

  • @Hayyothhakodesh
    @Hayyothhakodesh Před 3 lety

    im one of ur subscribers and i agree with u all the way. a firesteel is a firesteel. i think the only differences out there is size. maybe size does matter!! but i buy the rods like bayite and i have more expensive rods and my bayite worked for me actually better with more sparks a bigger shower. this happened every time for me comparing two similar sized rods. i think its all technique tho when the dust settles. i love ur channel and brush the haters off for their only job is to hate and cause disruption and conflict. never ever listen to them and honestly with ur channel if u get haters and its just ridiculous just fire even harder back and shut that shit down!!!be well be safe and thank you for ur energy and wonderful channel. i live in the hood and we know how to handle haters. but im a closet outdoorsman!! thank you!!!

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      Thanks man, I appreciate it. I don't let the haters get to me...it's part of the business I guess! But yeah, it's definitely technique...I still need more practice, but like anything, the more you do the more you learn. Thanks for watching!

  • @ashleyhoward8926
    @ashleyhoward8926 Před rokem

    I'm a UK wood turner & those handles take will be an easy task for any local turner to you, just ask. ( Noo Yoik?) Also when you make cleaning passes on your rod, you can do so gently into the bundle, then when you do strike sparks, the extra shavings will also ignite & help the fat wood on it's way.

  • @donniebrugge8117
    @donniebrugge8117 Před 3 lety

    Great job. really it is all about can you get the spark out in wild. they both work. to me it is practice and practice and know your tool.

  • @adama1294
    @adama1294 Před 3 lety +3

    If anyone wants to make their own striker, the square stock can be made with a HSS lathe blank. It is very hard and sharp.

    • @tbrew8222
      @tbrew8222 Před 3 lety +1

      It stays sharp. thats the big part. Needle files work pretty well too. I use one as a ferro striker/ emergency sharpener. The lathe bit should be hard enough to sharpen knives too though.

  • @markashlock9017
    @markashlock9017 Před 3 lety

    Bayite is as good if not better than any fero rod I have used at any price. Great vid. Thanks!!!

  • @makerofmanythings8447
    @makerofmanythings8447 Před 3 lety +3

    I have many Bayite 5"- 6" ferro rods and I use the Bayite strikers and my rods are smooth as glass with no ridges what so ever. Bayite rods are DAMN GOOD ferro rods.

    • @ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz
      @ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz Před 3 lety +2

      It all comes down to pressure and speed. People tend to get ridges near the tip of the rod, because the pressure between the striker and rod is less causing chatter. The pressure is less, because rod is a longer lever causing more strain on the wrist. Good technique, or bracing the tip of the rod on hard surface reduces ridging.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety +1

      I agree...the Bayite ferro rods are great. I use mine a ton...it's my go-to for sure.

    • @familypotts8709
      @familypotts8709 Před 3 lety +2

      Have you tried the small ceramic strikers? Personally my favorite one yet.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety +1

      @@familypotts8709 no, but I'd be interested. How do you find them?

    • @makerofmanythings8447
      @makerofmanythings8447 Před 3 lety +2

      @@familypotts8709 I haven't tried them yet I'll have to give it a try. Thanks.

  • @tolkienboutstuff446
    @tolkienboutstuff446 Před rokem

    I’ve only ever used the baylite. Not sure from experience how it stacks up, but I’ve never had a reason to change it up.

  • @bigmac3006
    @bigmac3006 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I don't give 2 craps on your technique. Did you make a fire? Then you have the perfect technique. Great vid.

  • @Immortal-tt6ye
    @Immortal-tt6ye Před 3 lety

    I have the same Bayite ferro rod and it works well.

  • @timb8970
    @timb8970 Před 2 lety

    Does anyone make a soft ferro rod?

  • @believein1
    @believein1 Před 7 měsíci

    It just comes down to how much magnesium is present in the rod, making it harder or softer.
    There are pros and cons to having more or less magnesium, and different striking techniques work better with each as well.
    Nathan was honest and correct in stating that it comes down to technique. If one knows how to use a ferro rod and striker properly, they can start a fire with essentially any type of rod and striker if both are functional.

  • @davesbackyardchickensandou3905

    I use Eric x and Coughlans ferr9 r9ds and they work great

  • @timb8970
    @timb8970 Před 2 lety

    I have the Bayite ferro rod from Amazon. It works just as well as all the other ferro rods I have used over the years. If there is truly higher quality superior striking rod please let me know!!

  • @christopherhall406
    @christopherhall406 Před 4 lety +1

    Great job brother yeah they’re all the same but I’ve learned to use my knife blade works great too

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 4 lety +1

      That's definitely my preference...a nice sharp 90 deg spine! But do you use the actual blade? I've done that too! It really doesn't mess your blade up terribly as long as it's good heat treat.

    • @elwha6025
      @elwha6025 Před 4 lety

      @@outerlimitless I like the strikers with the little rulers on them. They have the best edge as far as strikers go. My Mora Kansbol and Bushcrafter spines throw awesome sparks as do my Blind Horse and LT Wright knives. I will use my knife but now i prefer the aforementioned strikers.

    • @christopherhall406
      @christopherhall406 Před 3 lety +1

      outer limitless yeah I do use my blade depending on what I have with me

    • @jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897
      @jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897 Před 3 lety

      Not all the same. You obviously havent done comparisons or payed attention to the facts

    • @christopherhall406
      @christopherhall406 Před 3 lety

      @@jasonedwardledburynewzeala9897 you’re obviously not a expert rather than the rest of us who think we are

  • @19xHeimdallx84
    @19xHeimdallx84 Před 2 lety

    Hate the fanboys not the product. Valuable lesson from this vid. Nathan ferro rods aren't accessible to anyone in the world especially in Asia while Bayite is but I dont have any of them. What I have are the Chinese versions. Gotta work with what you can get your hands on and afford. Low quality rods will still spark using your fire scrapers.
    I never really liked any youtube vid but I love the way you debunked those cult fanboys.

  • @kongandbasses8732
    @kongandbasses8732 Před 3 lety +1

    I use a piece of an old, broken triangle shaped key-file that stayed connected to the file handle as firesteel striker.
    It even produces good shavings from an old, real hard block of magnesium, made in China and throws sparks like a volcano from every firesteel, even the cheap, real hard ones.
    On the other hand it is quite difficult to get shavings from any firesteel without throwing sparks.
    Even my old Fallknifen A1 with the back filed to a sharp 90° angle is not able to throw sparks or shaving magnesium like the file does. The piece of key file is about 6" long and half an inch in diameter, so packing size is not an issue.

  • @205jab4
    @205jab4 Před 3 lety +6

    Bayite rods are awesome ive used them alot and they shower sparks. Don't let ppl tell you they are crap. They get attached to what they use and ofcourse they want it to do the best. The thing is the only difference in any rod is hardness. I like soft rods and swedish rods are hard like (light my fire rods). Bayite is the sweet spot for me. They are fantastic.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety +1

      Definitely...I have has great luck with my Bayite and it performs as well as most of my other mischmetal rods...much softer than a true Ferro rod.

  • @pepejuan2924
    @pepejuan2924 Před rokem

    I have the same Bayite ferro rod and it works great, this reminds me of a blind taste test that was conducted years back , college students said Grey Goose Vodka was the best they won’t drink anything but Grey Goose guess what brand was not preferred during the blind taste test, yep Grey Goose 👍😁

  • @TheAirlock
    @TheAirlock Před 6 měsíci

    What's this camo pattern?

  • @tomsmith6094
    @tomsmith6094 Před 3 lety

    Nice video 👍 bro the only difference I see is the handles and the difference is the price I use bayle and they work great thank you for information 👍

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      Yeah, that's how I felt about it. I love my Bayite and use it 99% of the time, even though I now have other options.

    • @tomsmith6094
      @tomsmith6094 Před 3 lety

      I found at Amazon a handle 1/2 I use it for my ferro rods it calls DIXON it cost 6 to 7 dollars you don't have buy ferro rods with handles no more you can reuse it over and over

  • @Maurice419
    @Maurice419 Před rokem

    I use Bayite and love them

  • @Stoney_AKA_James
    @Stoney_AKA_James Před 4 lety +3

    Eric there is nothing wrong with the Bayight ferro rods (except they are made in China!)
    I have Bayight 1/2 x 6 rods as well as higher priced rods.
    The biggest differences between ferro rods, besides the sizes, is that some are softer metal and others are harder metal.
    This affects the amount and quality of the sparks. Softer metals produce "gobs" of sparks, but get worn out "faster".
    IMO using a striker/scraper that has very sharp edges and it big enough to fit the hand is also another key element.
    And yes, there are many techniques to using a ferro rod.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 4 lety +1

      You nailed it...composition of materials does make a difference. You'll see I have a video coming soon on Fiber Light products...it gets into rod composition a bit. Thanks for watching!

    • @lcm7541
      @lcm7541 Před 3 lety

      Would you say the bayite is hard or soft?

  • @onetimeoutdoorsdj1394
    @onetimeoutdoorsdj1394 Před 4 lety +4

    With them ridges in the Ferro rods they happened to everyone that actually uses their Ferro rods LOL. I found the best way to get them out as just take some sandpaper and send them down a little bit

    • @bjellison905
      @bjellison905 Před 3 lety +2

      That or a file, save the shavings and put them in your tinder kit

    • @madmax321
      @madmax321 Před 3 lety

      I find I don't mind the ridges, they almost help in a way. When you hit them they remove more material. Just my opinion.

  • @archangel20031
    @archangel20031 Před 2 lety

    I have a shitload of 1/4" tool steel blanks intended for machining, and the edges are as razor sharp as a 90 degree edge can get, so I bet they would make fantastic strikers!
    And then at 12:55 he shows a close up and it has the same dimension markings as my tool steel blanks!😄

  • @buddycarroll9641
    @buddycarroll9641 Před 2 lety

    The slow motion showed the Bayite rod did a little better IMHO. I have the Nathan rod and am very satisfied with it. Going to order two more Nathan rods today.

  • @CaptainRon1913
    @CaptainRon1913 Před 3 lety +1

    Ferro rod is a ferro rod is a ferro rod. Nathan's striker and rod handles are what makes it. I love my matching set. Could I have made them myself? sure, but I have better things to do with my time, plus, buying them from him, supports him. I'm sure he's tired of youtuber's emailing him and wanting free shit to test out. I asked him if I could "buy" a set with matching 4 inch handles with a 3/4 x 6inch long ferro rod. He made them over the weekend, and I had them a few days later.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      Yep, I asked him if I could buy a matching set too... he wasn't interested... that was his response that I read

    • @CaptainRon1913
      @CaptainRon1913 Před 3 lety

      @@outerlimitless Yeah, I don't know what your conversation was, all you posted was his side. I used to sell custom flashlights and post them in various configurations on instagram. I can't tell you how many times u-tubers contacted me wanting a free $90 flashlight in exchange for them doing a review. Seemed like one a day, and got very tiring.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      @@CaptainRon1913 I asked him if I could buy a matching set because at the time he only had miss matched sets on eBay. I asked for nothing free and wanted a matched set as I intended on using it for a video. And I read his response exactly as he wrote it. It is what it is.

  • @MrStanwillis
    @MrStanwillis Před 2 lety

    Set em straight!

  • @NormReitzel
    @NormReitzel Před 2 lety

    This video makes me appreciate a Fine Whine!

  • @wayneeddy3261
    @wayneeddy3261 Před 3 lety

    Concerning the ridges...
    My bet is that the ingredients are hot poured into a down a shaft to cool & be cut..., therefore the striking process shows the layered composition of the rod...
    Clean up with sandpaper, file or slow striker motions to wear them back down to smooth rod...

  • @tennesseetactical1864
    @tennesseetactical1864 Před 3 lety

    Great video..
    Don't listen to the internet experts..
    It's technique that gets you there.
    You have the skills..⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐Buddy..

    • @tbrew8222
      @tbrew8222 Před 3 lety

      Yep. they all work. hatd and soft ferro dont take that much of a different approach.
      Harder lasts longer and seems to throw straighter and tighter (for my technique?), and softer wears quicker but the sparks tend to have more chunk in them that keeps burning a bit longer.
      In the end, they all spark enough to light tinder. The rest is fire building skill.

  • @charliewilson1880
    @charliewilson1880 Před rokem

    David West uses bayite, so no need to pay more! Plus how many places make ferro rods? Nathan is getting his from the same sources. Also, the striker, while looking nice and working well looks to bulky for me when a knife spine works well, or any number of slim materials.

  • @KalpeshPatel78
    @KalpeshPatel78 Před 3 lety

    Dude.. you make great videos. Don't bother with the people who think differently. Forget cheap or expensive fire starting equipment... In a survival situation, If you don't know how to make and use a bow drill.. all this is useless. Getting that fire is important. How and why and when is pointless. I could have the best ferro-rod in the market, but if I'm shivering and cold and nearly unconscious and I can't strike it... its useless to me.
    From what I know about Ferro rods, there are basically 2 types. One softer and one harder material one. Cerium is mixed with iron and a few other elements (magnesium and some other materials) to give its characteristics. Softer ones will give off great sparks but wear out faster while harder ferro rods create less sparks but will last longer. Don't think any of this matters. What matters is how you use that ferrocerium rod.
    Brilliant video btw. I have just ordered Light my fire fire steel ferrorod. Have 3 of the Bayites and a few local ones that were less than 5 dollars.

  • @exoticbeauty9127
    @exoticbeauty9127 Před 3 lety +1

    Where can I buy a Nathan Ferris rod? Do he have a website? Nothing came up on eBay.

  • @jeanmartox3570
    @jeanmartox3570 Před 3 lety

    Hey!! by the victorinox tungstene sharpened knive and for 1/4 price you get the same job!!!! thank's!!!

  • @johnwriterpoet1783
    @johnwriterpoet1783 Před 3 lety +1

    Have you ever used waxed jute twine? Of no particular importance, I once caught a spark on charcloth by scraping a utility knife blade on concrete.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      I have never used waxed jute twine..do you find it effective for a tinder source?

    • @whosjiinzo
      @whosjiinzo Před 3 lety

      @@outerlimitless waxed jute works great i love it and if you fluff it up enough it catches just as easy or even easier than a cotton ball

    • @tbrew8222
      @tbrew8222 Před 3 lety

      It works great. Its my handle wrap on my giant baylite. Good grip, Extra firecord where it takes no space, lights on the first strike nearly every time. I also use it for tethers and lanyards.
      Cant lose it when its everywhere on a bunch of your gear.

  • @73FORGE
    @73FORGE Před 3 lety +1

    I know Nathan personally and he’s literally one of the most generous people I’ve ever met, his ferro rods are great, they throw molten showers. I’m not here to attack you in any way, just man to man. If you take this comment down I understand but there’s a million guys who have CZcams channels that want free crap because they think they can promote someone’s business, here’s the straight truth. Why did you message him? Do what everyone else does, go on his eBay store and just buy one, sounds like an unnecessary slam on a guy who’s trying to run a business. Not to mention if you had a problem you should’ve direct messaged him to resolve instead of making a video about it, possibly causing someone financial hardship.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      I don't remove comments. I have never removed a single one.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      Actually, that's not entirely true...I removed some that were ads that companies placed in my comments and I deleted those.

  • @surviveanything4765
    @surviveanything4765 Před 3 lety +3

    I've never, not once had a problem starting a fire with my Bayite. I think 99% of them come from China anyhow, so there's no sense in arguing which is best.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      You are correct about the source. There's really only 2 main types of rods and most are from China.

  • @GT_Racer347
    @GT_Racer347 Před 2 lety

    Frikkin spot on. 👌😎

  • @EPGunman
    @EPGunman Před 3 lety

    Try planting your scraper hand and draw the ferro rod to you. The rods are normally just different in the hardness. Harder ones last longer but a little harder to get huge sparks. Softer ones gives you less life but normally shed more material.

  • @jasongarling20
    @jasongarling20 Před 3 lety +1

    The truth..if that's what this is about is the softer the rod, the more chunks of metal come off. Yes, they don't last as long, the harder ones last longer. But personally, I'd take the softer rod 10 out of 10 times. The more chunks that are flying around and bursting into flames, the better chance of completing ignition, which means a better chance of saving your life.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      I prefer the softer ferro rods...I think more chunks is better potential for success.

  • @davidvaughn7752
    @davidvaughn7752 Před 2 lety +1

    He probably gets tons of calls from CZcamsrs asking for products/samples/freebees. The fact that most ferrocerium rods in the same class perform pretty much the same suggests that there is not a lot of incentive for him to be giving his product away other than increasing his public profile. Ergo, "I don't do social media".

  • @rickfalk9319
    @rickfalk9319 Před rokem

    Just wondering if you've explored this issue any more over the last couple years...I got four 1/2 inch x 6 inch rods from eBay a few years ago for $25.00 and they're pretty awesome. From what I can tell, it comes down to the iron content vs. magnesium but I'm not a scientist, lol. BTW, I don't own a ferro rod (or mischmetal, whatever) that doesn't have some chatter marks on it. We can't all be perfect all the time. Nice work, Eric.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před rokem +1

      I have not gone too much further...been chewing through these rods though....that is for sure! They'll probably last me forever...haha!

    • @rickfalk9319
      @rickfalk9319 Před rokem

      @@outerlimitless I just ordered a 3/4 rod from Nathan 4071 just to compare it myself with the cheaper ones I have...we'll see if it was worth it or not! Hahaha, I'm sure the ones I have will last me forever too.

  • @clarkbarenthusiast6223
    @clarkbarenthusiast6223 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for this review, subscribed. Was about to purchase some other brand of ferro rod for 2x the price of the Bayite, but after seeing these results I will just get the Bayite. You get what you pay for, but often times all that means is you get a fancy name.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety

      You'll be good with the Bayite...no worries there. My Bayite is my 99% go to option

    • @clarkbarenthusiast6223
      @clarkbarenthusiast6223 Před 3 lety

      @@outerlimitless Just got the Bayite in the mail, it is excellent, thanks.

  • @mauriziobarbati9081
    @mauriziobarbati9081 Před rokem

    Complimenti bel video👍

  • @tinfoilsombrero1439
    @tinfoilsombrero1439 Před 3 lety

    He doesn’t do social media?? I came across his channel to get to this one....

  • @Krazykal
    @Krazykal Před rokem

    Hmmm I just got some cheap 1/2in rods went out in the woods cut a branch drilled it and stuck it on the rods a bit of personalization and bam matching stuff = cost my time.

  • @normansmith7517
    @normansmith7517 Před 2 lety

    Doesn't do social but replies how does that work

  • @Bogeyman1972
    @Bogeyman1972 Před rokem

    My little 3 dollar ferro rod combined with my camillus titanium knive is unmatched,thats been awsome for over the last two yrs

  • @alexandercarder2281
    @alexandercarder2281 Před 3 lety +3

    I just sliced my finger open with my brand new mora companion trying to chop wood 😬☹️

  • @thearmchairjournalist566

    How long do these last, how many strikes?

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety +1

      Hundreds and hundreds...like seriously a ton of strikes.

    • @thearmchairjournalist566
      @thearmchairjournalist566 Před 3 lety

      @@outerlimitless I can see how useful they are, gonna get one for my nephew who is starting scouts. Here is 🇦🇺 there’s not much use for those as it’s easy to light fires here with eucalyptus trees around! Here surviving on the bush is basically just trapping animals as the native plants are all basically inedible 😡 I like to try to be prepared though, just in case but I think growing food is more important here - coz of the circumstances and as long as I make it 12 months I should be fine 😂 Australia is hardcore 🇦🇺 When the zombies come my first stop will be stealing some rabbits or chickens as they breed like crazy 😝 and my prepacked veggie seeds too!

  • @robertking5869
    @robertking5869 Před rokem

    Nathan is full of it! I didn't see any differences in performance

  • @FrankZoldak
    @FrankZoldak Před 3 lety +4

    Point being, don't overpay for the same thing. 😄
    Also if you can bring a rod and a striker, you can bring a lighter.

    • @buffasiannerd
      @buffasiannerd Před 3 lety +1

      Ya but if your lighter gets wet, runs out of fuel etc. you will want a backup

  • @grahambate3384
    @grahambate3384 Před 2 lety

    about about trying the other striker

  • @casualcamping3776
    @casualcamping3776 Před 3 lety +1

    I have used "budget" rods for years, including Bayite rods. I've never had a problem. There is something to be said for the fun of having decorative handles, but as far as the actual function of the rods, I don't see much, if any difference.

    • @outerlimitless
      @outerlimitless  Před 3 lety +2

      Yeah, from what I have been told by people more in the business there are 2 main types of rod composition, and almost all of which are sourced from the same place for the most part.

    • @tbrew8222
      @tbrew8222 Před 3 lety +1

      My handle is not that decorative. Some homemade firecord wrapped halfway down. and same for a lanyard/ tether. If I lose my tinder cord and its wet out, theres more right on the rod. Until then, it gives great grip.
      I use mostly just the tip of the rod and it gets sharpened like a pencil. I try not to get too much of the coating off. saltwater and high humidity are the only things that will kill a giant ferro. Not like you cant put oil, wax or nail polish on it. Not that ferro's oxidization is all that quick either

  • @hgjobe
    @hgjobe Před rokem +1

    The best Fero rod is the one that works when you need it.

  • @christianschulte5036
    @christianschulte5036 Před 11 měsíci

    The striking instrument makes the biggest difference in getting chunky and long glowing hot sparks. The steel comes last, it's not the magic bit as long as it is not tiny.

  • @arnenelson4495
    @arnenelson4495 Před 2 lety

    Cool hatchet, what kind is it?