Why Order 66 Is The Best Scene In Star Wars
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Why is order 66 so heartbreaking? In this video essay, I analyse the iconic scene and why it left such an impact on Star Wars fans everywhere.
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0:00 - Intro
0:38 - Part 1 - How To Break The Audience's Heart
12:04 - Part 2 - Shifting The Status Quo
14:54 - Part 3 - The Perfect Tragedy
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This is exactly why “somehow Palpatine returned” is so widely hated. The fake/retcon deaths in modern disney movies are so overplayed and make every death scene so unimportant and disingenuous.
Look at the lightsaber stabs that literally do nothing.
Please don't remind me of that atrocity brother 🙌 shit gives me a headache everytime I think about it
If Disney did Order 66, 99% of these Jedi would just get up after being shot a dozen times and go back to their daily routine.
Sad part is they didn't need to revive palpatine. They made the clones a thing, just say the snoke that died was a clone and that snoke isn't dumb enough to risk his life like that. It'd still be a way of resurrecting but I feel like it would have been better than palpatine coming back
Palpatine's whole thing was living forever and he found a way to do that by making clones of himself! The writing for that movie made it feel crammed in but if you know the lore around star wars it was no surprise that this was his goal. He's alluding to it when he talks about Darth Plagueis. He stole the Kaminoan's cloning tech and kept it a secret so that he could have sole control of it and give himself eternal life.
The amount of dread I felt in those final episodes of clone wars was insane. I felt like order 66 could happen at any moment.
The whole atmosphere of Shattered just filled me with so much anticipation and dread
@@justlivin2499 exactly!!
@@justlivin2499it’s the music while they are leaving mandlaore and on the bridge talk between ahsoka and Rex.
@@RelyTHAGOATBro yes and when Bo Katan says goodbye to Ashoka when she leaves with Maul and Rex, the music was absolute 🔥 🔥
Like a ticking time bomb
You forgot to mention in almost all instances of Order 66, the Clones still wear their helmets. There is no emotion shown when they shoot the jedi. Not until afterwards did we start to explore how they felt.
I was hoping he mentioned the older battlefront II game, although no canon, the speech the give before the temple mission is bone chilling
Playing through it in Battlefront 2 really made things feel more powerful. The game and the movie, when Order 66 came up, man, I was ready to cry as a kid.
7:25 that was what George was trying to do with the clone wars show... First build up the relationship of the clones and the jedis and get people invested in the jedis, then bring it all crashing down with order 66 and the aftermath...but freaking prequel haters couldn't just stop at not liking the prequels... They went out of their way to shoot it down completely, any discussion of the prequels has them spamming it with their brwin dead takes that prequel lovers tried their best to never praise the prequels which was never enough for prequel haters so the lovets just stopped talking about it altogether... George had to sell his IP and the haters celebrated it like george was releasing star wars from captivity... And even till now, they still blame george for Disney's mistakes... It's George's fault for moff gideon to be able to clone force sensitivity because George introduced midichlorians as if that means favreau must use it, it's George's fault for introducing clones for Pershing to say all those dumbass stuff in season 3 episode 3 of the mandalorians,my favorite episode of the entire show and the only episode i liked btw as if george forced favreau and kloor to say that, it's George's fault for selling star wars to Disney for money as if they didn't force gis hands and celebrated when it happened...
I don't like saying toxic fandom but my god, that was a toxic behavior from the prequel haters and i would forever hate them for that... They can never accept their fault, no, it has to ne George's, somehow... They asked for the forve awakens because that was the star wars content they wanted, a rehash of the OT because they refuse to grow up...
What's better is how the clones are an allegory for nazism and militarism. A cruel warning at the horrors of blind obedience and indoctrination. The clones in New canon had to be chipped to perform order 66 but irl people choose to do this. The clones originally chose to kill the jedi because they were ordered to and that's it. They were perfect soldiers, perfect weapons. Something he EU got so right and post tcw got so wrong
"When the 501st was finally rotated out of Felucia, Aayla Secura made a point of seeing us off personally, calling us the bravest soldiers she had ever seen. It's a good thing we were wearing helmets, because none of us could bear to look her in the eye."
A big part of Order 66's weight is not just betrayal, but the changing of an era. The world we knew is now gone, the characters we know are gone. Everything we've gotten used to being around is gone, and the story moves on without them.
True. It also helps that we already know where Order 66 leads (the original trilogy). *We are watching the Empire being born.* The transition from the heroic clone troopers of the Republic to the fascistic stormtroopers of the Empire.
it's really bad. it's lazy, uninspired and ab undeveloped note in a script. like everything in the Prequels
gr8 b8 m8@@j.m.w.5064
Damn, when you put it that way, I learned that Berserk basically does the same thing
Who knew, good storytelling shares plot points
@@j.m.w.5064no one likes you and your arbitrary hating cult
“In many ways, the prequels are the story of an arrogant religion, who get ahold of the Messiah, and then accidentally hand him over to the devil.” -So Uncivilized
Is that a jewish reference? 😅
Man I’d love to see a movie fitting for that description that overplays that meaning, not just in the subtext
@@Bjswacno it’s a quote from a CZcamsr So Uncivilized in his video why Palpatine is the Greatest Movie Villain
@@Bjswac"may his blood be on us and our children" moment 😂
Rots saves the prequel trilogy
The part that always gets me is the decision to show Yoda feeling the death of the hundreds of people he’s known since they were children.
Oh yeah, I forgot that while watching that scene. Yoda has known these jedi since they were children, they are his only family and just like that all of them are gone.
he just conveniently ignores that part and claimed Yoda gave no fucks
@@pyropulseIXXI He might he gave no fuck about the clones, not gave no fucks for the Jedi. Though a suspect much of that was him not being attached to the Clones the way individual Jedi Generals were with the troops they led long term along with him feeling the deaths of the Jedi, which gave him enough warning to anticipate the attack.
@@Tuberuser187 He obviously gave a fuck; he just knew what was coming and defended himself.
ffs, this is simple shit
7:25 that was what George was trying to do with the clone wars show... First build up the relationship of the clones and the jedis and get people invested in the jedis, then bring it all crashing down with order 66 and the aftermath...but freaking prequel haters couldn't just stop at not liking the prequels... They went out of their way to shoot it down completely, any discussion of the prequels has them spamming it with their brwin dead takes that prequel lovers tried their best to never praise the prequels which was never enough for prequel haters so the lovets just stopped talking about it altogether... George had to sell his IP and the haters celebrated it like george was releasing star wars from captivity... And even till now, they still blame george for Disney's mistakes... It's George's fault for moff gideon to be able to clone force sensitivity because George introduced midichlorians as if that means favreau must use it, it's George's fault for introducing clones for Pershing to say all those dumbass stuff in season 3 episode 3 of the mandalorians,my favorite episode of the entire show and the only episode i liked btw as if george forced favreau and kloor to say that, it's George's fault for selling star wars to Disney for money as if they didn't force gis hands and celebrated when it happened...
I don't like saying toxic fandom but my god, that was a toxic behavior from the prequel haters and i would forever hate them for that... They can never accept their fault, no, it has to ne George's, somehow... They asked for the forve awakens because that was the star wars content they wanted, a rehash of the OT because they refuse to grow up...
“We’re clones, we’re meant to be disposable” “Not to me” makes me cry every time
Plo Koon is one of my favorite Jedi. There are Jedi masters that could care less about the clones or care less about their own Padawans but Plo Koon was never like that.
One major problem with modern films is that writers are afraid to kill any of their fan favourite characters permanently. This is especially true in Star Wars.
Somehow, Palpatine returned...
And that movies rarely tell standalone, complete stories. Everything builds up a sequel and has to be part of some multiverse.
@Aqua23-ammg You kinda feel bad for him because all of his life's work was usurped from him by some bureaucrat who took all the credit. Imagine working for years, decades on a project, only for someone to swoop in and say "Actually, I made this," and then use said project to kill you.
@@Aqua23-ammg Surprisingly some of the non-sequel stuff Disney makes turns out great. Like they have to actually make stories make sense and be coherent in already established plots.
Jon Snow in game of thrones is one of the best examples of that, at least for me. In a show that stood out for killing off characters for making the noble but risky decisions, he managed to get brought back through some bs magic crap that was hardly established through a plotline that was one of the weakest plotlines in the story, only to return to the story and have basically zero impact. His death would've meant so much more if that was that
Not only the most important scene, but also one of the most important plot points of all the Star Wars universe. The fall of the Republic and, most importantly, the fall of Anakin to the dark side.
7:25 that was what George was trying to do with the clone wars show... First build up the relationship of the clones and the jedis and get people invested in the jedis, then bring it all crashing down with order 66 and the aftermath...but freaking prequel haters couldn't just stop at not liking the prequels... They went out of their way to shoot it down completely, any discussion of the prequels has them spamming it with their brwin dead takes that prequel lovers tried their best to never praise the prequels which was never enough for prequel haters so the lovets just stopped talking about it altogether... George had to sell his IP and the haters celebrated it like george was releasing star wars from captivity... And even till now, they still blame george for Disney's mistakes... It's George's fault for moff gideon to be able to clone force sensitivity because George introduced midichlorians as if that means favreau must use it, it's George's fault for introducing clones for Pershing to say all those dumbass stuff in season 3 episode 3 of the mandalorians,my favorite episode of the entire show and the only episode i liked btw as if george forced favreau and kloor to say that, it's George's fault for selling star wars to Disney for money as if they didn't force gis hands and celebrated when it happened...
I don't like saying toxic fandom but my god, that was a toxic behavior from the prequel haters and i would forever hate them for that... They can never accept their fault, no, it has to ne George's, somehow... They asked for the forve awakens because that was the star wars content they wanted, a rehash of the OT because they refuse to grow up...
@@johnnycrown5097GL don't have to take all responsibility about the fall of the sequels (trilogy) i mean Disney is more responsible than GL by rushing the trilogy (other content are at least average).
At some point GL decided he won't direct or produce any film (i mean a trilogy) the only choice he got, let star wars die until he left and the successor got the lead OR sell it and enjoy (or not) new star wars content.
@@naitololTV I know... He became a marketing disaster because prequel haters treated him like he killed their parents... They went after conversations of the prequels to make sure that it was insulted... Back then, people couldn't defend the prequels, even now... When I watched mauler's livestreams, he has to warn that he's about to compliment the prequels and you would be hearing moans from some of the guests and the praises are very short and if the praises are getting to long, one idiot would just pipe in with a criticism that doesn't make sense or is very subjective or hyperbolic or they insult it immediately with an insult that has nothing to do with the prequels...
Lucas doesn't have any fault for what Disney did to start wars... The prequel haters forced his hand to sell it, he didn't need the 4 billion... He was already a billionaire thanks to start wars, he was worth over 10 billion back then... The second richest producer after Spielberg... That's what these idiots don't understand... They said he created the prequels for money and then he sold lucasfilm for money as if no one ever does that but he didn't even create the prequels for money because the clone wars show wasn't that successful and he still carried it on till season 6 despite the ridiculing from prequel haters and refusal to even watch it with the ones who did stupidly saying it belongs to filoni even up to now despite filoni having nothing to do with the story since he was just a director that wasn't even Lucas' partner, more like a subordinate... I'm pretty sure he wanted to make another star wars movie when the hate for him dies down but my goodness, the prequel haters refused to let go of their hate even till now, just imagine that... Imagine any other person in the movie industry that was that hated and despite that hate, they still can't give a single objective criticism of the prequels... I'm not saying there isn't, I'm saying these prequel haters don't know one... Plinkett's reviews of the prequels was a disgrace to reviewing... It was done in bad faith, filled with subjective criticisms and at some point, started creating criticisms from thin air to pad out his videos alongside those dumbass skits... Icy the fire mage finely destroyed his reviews mauler style, he didn't insult plinkett and agreed when he made valid criticisms which I think we're only three nit-picks in the phantom menace... Think about it, only three valid criticisms that plinkett made... And idiots based over two decades of hate on just that... You really need to check out icy the fire mage's channel, you'll hate plinkett for destroying the star wars IP with fake criticisms, subjective criticisms, lies and assumptions...
@@johnnycrown5097what? Clone Wars is generally liked by most people that hate the prequels. Where have you been hanging around at where they hate Clone Wars? The only ones I see that hate the show are those few that actually like the contingency plan for the dumbest of reasons.
@@Mojo1356 you're joking, right??? Go watch the videos of vehement prequel haters, they don't even know how many seasons of the clone wars there are... Everyone knows season one of the clone wars was shaky but they didn't even give it a shot...
You can tell that you're wrong by people who didn't know much about Bo katan in the mandalorian and thinking ahsoka was the continuation of the clone wars when that's not even close... The only thing they had in common was ahsoka...
I think you forget that the clone wars started after a really bad movie that made only $68M so people thought the quality of the show would be the same as the movie...
Please don't just state thing then explain yourself with mocking... My job involve using my hands only so I've constantly been on CZcams since 2012, literally, people use music to exercise and do other stuffs, I use CZcams, I've checked so many prequel haters videos because I was an open defender of the prequels unlike you cowards in the west who only came out when the sequels came out and fucked up pretty badly... You can't just state something and continue as if you've debunked it without any explanation...
I can give you examples but I have to go recheck their names because I didn't care to remember them but a few are the efap crew, red letter media, stuckman, Jeremy etc and just watch their ahsoka review and the comments underneath it, nobody knows anything about the clone wars and keep insulting because it's a cartoon as if cartoons are inferior or something... Most of them (and frankly even dumbasses who watched the clone wars) think the clone wars was produced by filoni and not Lucas because everyone refuse to believe Lucas could create anything good again because to them the prequels wasn't good...
Please, do a basic research before you comment with mocking... I don't want to insult a fellow prequel lover because we've been insulted and bullied enough into silence by the prequel haters and I was reminded of that when I was defending the prequel combat with someone who knows nothing about combat and thinks realistic combat is slow, because boxing and street fighting are just known to be slow and what made modern wrestling look so fake now isn't because of how slow it is which shows the impact not hitting... But this guy just kept on bullying everyone despite saying utter rubbish and when he faced someone he couldn't counter with fake facts, he resulted to insults thinking a fucking westerner would be able to win against an African, who has to insult people bigger than them into submission to prevent being plummeted to death because we don't have police to stop the fight... So I'm not going to subject a prequel lover to that but please next time, only mock when you have explanations or examples backing you...
Gandalf’s death scene is not only still excellently well-made, but it has serious consequences regardless of his resurrection that I would argue keep it so powerful. His death (and, yes, Gandalf did die fighting the Balrog) caused the Fellowship to fracture, and for Frodo and Sam, Gandalf *was* dead for the rest of the plot. The negative consequences of Gandalf’s fall at Khazad-Dûm do not vanish with his reappearance
in the film it is not very clear that he died
@@hujkbalk3394 neither its in the book. all they see is him falling in the abyss dragged by the balrog. they don't know if he's dead or not but assume he is. in both cases, what happened is revealed after he comes back.
Gandalf is a wizard so his death is 'different' from lets say Boromirs - Boromir and other humans, elves, and dwarves when they died in LOTR they stay dead (and that includes the cursed dead warriors from paths of the dead). In a sense, Gandalf the Grey did die only to be 'batized' by water and fire which I'm sure Tolkien used from Biblical inspiration and reborn as a far more powerful version of himself. It was actually imperative to the story that he displaces Saruman as the white wizard (another Biblical reference perhaps of Christ's sacrifice in a human body to be resurrected into a glorified one and will be dethroning and replacing Lucifer who disqualified himself from earths rule) in order to give Frodo the opportunity needed to destory the ring. For Gandalf even his death was done with purpose.
Yes. Baffling error - misunderstanding the text, and insulting the author’s character based upon that misunderstanding. Credibility killer.
I think TCL was confusing Tolkien's use of resurrection with comic book resurrection. In comic books, resurrections are essentially retcons that act like the character never died, as evidenced by Marvel. When Gandalf came back, he came back as a significantly stronger individual.
It could simply be a matter of "This thing is bad in almost every instance I've seen it, therefore it must be bad everywhere, even when everyone else thinks it's good" on TCL's part.
the fact that with clone wars, giving all the Jedi so much personality, we all knew it’d happen eventually, and seeing Jedi that have been so fleshed out die like that is more heart wrenching than before.
7:25 that was what George was trying to do with the clone wars show... First build up the relationship of the clones and the jedis and get people invested in the jedis, then bring it all crashing down with order 66 and the aftermath...but freaking prequel haters couldn't just stop at not liking the prequels... They went out of their way to shoot it down completely, any discussion of the prequels has them spamming it with their brwin dead takes that prequel lovers tried their best to never praise the prequels which was never enough for prequel haters so the lovets just stopped talking about it altogether... George had to sell his IP and the haters celebrated it like george was releasing star wars from captivity... And even till now, they still blame george for Disney's mistakes... It's George's fault for moff gideon to be able to clone force sensitivity because George introduced midichlorians as if that means favreau must use it, it's George's fault for introducing clones for Pershing to say all those dumbass stuff in season 3 episode 3 of the mandalorians,my favorite episode of the entire show and the only episode i liked btw as if george forced favreau and kloor to say that, it's George's fault for selling star wars to Disney for money as if they didn't force gis hands and celebrated when it happened...
I don't like saying toxic fandom but my god, that was a toxic behavior from the prequel haters and i would forever hate them for that... They can never accept their fault, no, it has to ne George's, somehow... They asked for the forve awakens because that was the star wars content they wanted, a rehash of the OT because they refuse to grow up...
@@johnnycrown5097I maintain that the Prequels were overall bad movies bar a few good scenes like this. However, they were improved by the Clone Wars series and the sequels make them look like masterpieces in comparison. To the defense of Mando, them adding all the awkward stuff about cloning was at least partially their attempt to rescue the moronic canon set up by the sequels. Unfortunately, the sequels are on such an entirely different level of stupid that they don’t even have a good foundation to work from like the prequels did.
All in all, I’d say that the prequels were good ideas executed poorly, whereas the sequels were bad ideas executed with total incompetence.
@@Zarastro54 well, that's your opinion then... I don't see any objective argument in that... Just your suggestion... The clone wars is still Lucas's work so... I can actually prove that most of the criticisms that most critics and prequel haters made about the show were fake, wrong, bad takes or ridiculously very subjective like saying it's boring, that's fucking subjective... I can defend Yoda and midichlorians that would make everyone that criticized feel very very stupid and show that they were just making shit up to hate...
In your opinion, they were bad but objectively, not really, in fact, I can say there are no plot holes and only the required rate of plot contrivances...
Defending the prequels would be a very long comment so if you want me to be specific, tell me your criticisms of the story (not cinematography and directing, those are meta and different from the story and I do agree the acting was bad, but not the cgi, at least not for it's time and such a movie with so much world building required cgi which was very very very new at that time and was led by Lucas film... Coruscant was like that to mimic the blandness and ugliness of high rise cities, it's not meant to be beautiful, it's meant to be gloomy and drain all your hope, you know, like London and new York)...
@@johnnycrown5097 Reviewing a movie is basically always subjective lmao. One of many criticisms I have of the prequels is basically that in the Phantom Menace literally nothing of import happened outside of Palpatine becoming Chancellor.
@@Zach-hi5gw no... Movie criticisms aren't subjective... We know when a movie is filled with plot holes or has bad pacing... We know why birdemic, the room and the Disney star wars are bad... What you gain from a story and art in general is the subjective part... The making of a movie and the form are all objective... A movie with the brightness turned all the way down that you can't see what is going on at all is not subjectively bad, it's objectively bad... Please stop lying to yourself...
Holy shit! Now I finally know why Aayla Secura look always seemed off to me. She wasn't looking at the clones surrounding her, she was looking for the target that they aimed at! That is such an horrific detail my god
You also see the clones around her sending far more shots into her than any other Jedi got, which with the story from battlefront 2 we got at the time shows the clones wanted her to have a quick death and not to leave her to suffer.
I remember the movie being out for a week or two before I saw it in the theater, and my friends all talked about how much better it was than the preceding two films. I recall shortly before this bit, thinking to myself "I suppose it's a bit better, but it's still just okay," when this scene happened. I then realized why people liked the movie so much
What you was thinking after the duel on Mustafar and the first breath of Darth Vader? ))
@@DGalious I was genuinely engaged throughout the rest of the movie, particularly the final 10-15 minutes or so. This video does showcase one facet I loved where the world seemed to change - like, while I didn't particularly care about the world, I did feel the weight of it all crumbling, and I found that aspect very compelling.
"The saddest thing about betrayal is that it never comes from your enemies." -Aldrich Ames
Anakin's loss at the hands of Obi-Wan was heart-wrenching too. We don't just "know" the brotherhood of the two, we were there. We lived it. And to see Obi-Wan cut down his fallen brother is just heartbreaking. His instincts kicked in and he didn't hesitate, only for the regret to sink in after. Definitely worth an essay
btw im loving the increase in star wars content!
Did we watch the same movies? When did we see them having any adventures and really liking each other? The Prequels needed much more small adventures like the beginning of Episode 3. Instead both of them went on their own missions or, when they were together, they argued, but not in a fun way.
@@cheesy_87clone wars
@@cheesy_87 I think they should have scrapped the phantom menace since basically everything that happens in that movie had no consequence in the second or third. And all the information that was important could have been told in different ways (like a flashback or just exposition). Like there was 20 minutes dedicated to podracing and its like, what
@@noooooobica Not a valid point. A movie can't be made good retroactively by requiring you to watch additional content to make you care about the characters and their relationship. If the movie doesn't succeed in that, it is an utter and complete failure.
@@Zach-hi5gw I wholeheartedly agree
Worst part of the hobo clone in Kenobi is that the clone is wearing Anikins colors and the arc trooper uniform.
This clone was one of Anikins arc troopers, the once who served Anikin as his equals, the most experienced and skilled clones, he would have known Obiwan Kenobi and Obewan would have known this clone, if not by his face alone, he would have recognized the uniform.
Its best to just forget that the Kenobi show exists^^
@@darksteelmenace595and everything Disney has done to star wars.
I doubt Anakin or Obi Wan would've known every clone they led into battle. Anakin maybe, but not Obi Wan
@@TheOnlyHollywood1 In the clone wars tv show, he tend from time to time to just name drop random troopers, i dont know if you could call Domino squad random, but he knows the name of all of those as well.
That hobo clone, who was officially confirmed to be clone trooper Nax of the 501st's Torrent Company, wasn't an ARC trooper, though. The 501st only had 3 ARCs, with Fives, Echo, and Jesse being the only ARCs in the entire 501st Legion.
I vividly remember watching this for the first time, I was 7 years old and my older brother was teaching me to ride a bike. He said if I managed to ride down this big hill near our house without stopping he'd buy me any DVD I wanted. I did it and that night we watched this film, just after it stopped showing in cinemas. As a kid I'd only watched episode 1 and 2 and was saving the OT for after this film, making it extra horrifying to see everything unravel.
7:25 that was what George was trying to do with the clone wars show... First build up the relationship of the clones and the jedis and get people invested in the jedis, then bring it all crashing down with order 66 and the aftermath...but freaking prequel haters couldn't just stop at not liking the prequels... They went out of their way to shoot it down completely, any discussion of the prequels has them spamming it with their brwin dead takes that prequel lovers tried their best to never praise the prequels which was never enough for prequel haters so the lovets just stopped talking about it altogether... George had to sell his IP and the haters celebrated it like george was releasing star wars from captivity... And even till now, they still blame george for Disney's mistakes... It's George's fault for moff gideon to be able to clone force sensitivity because George introduced midichlorians as if that means favreau must use it, it's George's fault for introducing clones for Pershing to say all those dumbass stuff in season 3 episode 3 of the mandalorians,my favorite episode of the entire show and the only episode i liked btw as if george forced favreau and kloor to say that, it's George's fault for selling star wars to Disney for money as if they didn't force gis hands and celebrated when it happened...
I don't like saying toxic fandom but my god, that was a toxic behavior from the prequel haters and i would forever hate them for that... They can never accept their fault, no, it has to ne George's, somehow... They asked for the forve awakens because that was the star wars content they wanted, a rehash of the OT because they refuse to grow up...
4:10 "In the very next book" Fun Fact: It was all intended to be the same book. It was his editor who had the book cut into 3 parts. So keep in mind that it wasn't the author finding a way to get a character back between books, it's just a second Act event that was meant to logically follow a first Act event.
I think Gandalf is an unfair call of "the writer got cold feet" because of the nature of LotR and that Tolkien had a pretty clear idea of what story he wanted to tell. The movie was merely adapting that story.
I still feel some type of way when Anakin killed the younglings.. that poor little boys face when he ignited his lightsaber still gets me.
And people still try to defend Anakin
@@bane5921its litterally a ham fisted scene to make him look super evil. It's a dumb scene and no one defends a murderer Which is why the scene sucks ass.
And the way the boy instinctively reacts to activate his own lightsaber, but stops it right away because he is confused.
@@lukzloty One can say we seen it in Clone Wars when he killed the Sand people, "I killed the women and the children, they are animals so I slaughtered them like animals". But the younglings probably studied him, admired him, and looked up to him. To be slaughtered by your hero, unexpectedly completely unaware and so innocent... It still gets me every time.
@@bane5921 I have heard good arguments attacking Anakin’s actions and good arguments defending Anakin’s actions. However, the fact that we’re making such a big deal out of a fictional universe with fictional characters and fictional events is childish.
If people understand anything about cosmology, people would know that universes have different concepts of good and evil. Therefore, different consequences behind them, making arguing about this pointless. People can dislike Anakin’s actions and choices. However, attacking other because they disagree is childish.
This is supported by Anakin finding peace in the afterlife despite killing thousands, while people would burn for eternity for murder in our own universe. Keep in mind Starwars isn’t just any universe it is a fictional-universe meaning it could go against logic completely.
The saddest part of order 66 isn´t "good guys lost", its the betrayal of the clones, which arguably any Star Wars fan loves
a Forced betrayal
@@Revkor Making it even more tragic. What shocked us even more was how much the population despised the clones despite winning their war, and the clones had no regret in killing their best friends due to the Inhibitor chip.
The feeling of everyone loses just hit so hard. The only one who won through all that death and betrayal was Sidious, the same person who betrayed every other apprentice he chose.
@@shubhnamdeo2865it's like the ticking bomb theory. If the bomb just suddenly goes off, yea it's a shock but it doesn't have the same feeling as knowing it's there, but knowing the characters don't know.
When the audience gets to see the bomb under the table, yet the two characters talking don't, you root for the characters to figure it out and get out of there.
in the movies clones are not explored at all, nnot even in the movie which is called after them, "attack of the clones"
I don’t know if I’ve ever personally felt one emotion more in a single moment in my cinema experience than I did watching this in theaters as a teenager.
*BETRAYAL*
Order 66 was a good to borderline great scene before the Clone Wars. Now, it is the paradigm shifting iconic moment it was always meant to be.
Now it's less impactful. Clones were mind controlled and unaware, where as in the original lore they chose to and didn't have to be convinced. The inhibitor chips ruined order 66 because it made it less realistic. The whole point was to reflect real life
@@robertogurrola7465It never reflected real life. The clones were practically robots in the movies. The droids (enemy fighters) WERE robots. What was remotely realistic about this (“a long time ago in a galaxy far far away”)? Clone Wars made you attached to the clones, gave them unique personalities, human emotions, and real connections with your favorite characters, before ripping them away due to the tragic circumstances they were programmed with. It was genius.
And if you really need some “real-life application,” the microchips could be a metaphor for blind loyalty in real life soldiers that committed war crimes for their country or of their own accord. In fact, Rex and Cody reflect this well. Both were very likable clones that came along with Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka on every mission, but Cody always followed orders whereas Rex had a bit of a rebellious streak to him. In the end, Cody shot at Obi-Wan, blindly following orders, while Rex potentially saved Ahsoka’s life by not following Order 66.
It wasn't good or great because there was basically no on-screen camaraderie between the Jedi and the Clones in the prequels. I've watched the prequels recently and it's insane to me the redemption they have had despite them being actually awful movies.
@@SJ-di5zu Entirely disagree on every level. The prior explanations and exploration of Order 66 was far better and way more thematic.
The Change of the Status Quo is a really good way to look at it. The OT was often viewed as having a gritty atmosphere. An old galaxy where all the technology is rusty and warn down. The PT got criticized for how crisp and shiny it was. But that is the contrast between a galaxy ruled by Jedi VS a galaxy ruled by the Empire. Order 66 is that transition point between the lush worlds of Naboo to the old dying worlds of Yavin. It's the point where the story goes from "Have you ever seen a Jedi?" to "I thought Jedi were just a myth."
This is one of the greatest flaws of Disney Star Wars and the ST. Episode 6 is called "The Return of the Jedi." The Jedi died with Order 66, they are reborn with Luke. The ST should feel like a world in blossom after a long cold winter. Instead, they tried returning to the aesthetic of the OT, because that's what most fans consider Star Wars in it's truest form. It took the Status Quo Shift away from Palpatine's death.
Real life Status Quo shifters that changed society are really powerful moments in history. 9/11 is really the end of the 90s world and the beginning of the 21st Century. All the colorful cloths and restaurant decorations became gray and gritty. The optimism of advanced technology became dystopian. The Fall of Rome was a catalyst in the historical records. The Destruction of Jerusalem sent the Jews into nearly 2000 years of exile. The Holocaust cast a daunting dread on the evils of the human race. A lesson we learn from these moments is how the world somehow keeps moving forward. On the one hand, the world is cold to our cares as it ruthlessly discards the old world we loved, but on the other hand, the world extends and inviting hand for us to follow along its journey onward. We can never forget, but we learn to survive.
Gandalf's death isn't a good example. Yes he dies and then comes back in the next book. But death isn't meaningless in the world or in the movies. Boromir dies and never comes back. So does Haldir and Theoden. If these characters came back too THEN the death would be meaningless in LOTR
Agree absolutely. A better example, and in universe, is Ashoka and the world between worlds
Plus, Gandalf's death has real, undoable consequences; it directly leads to the Breaking of the Fellowship and Boromir's death.
I mean...
Is there an afterlife in LOTR?
Exactly what I thought 👍🏻 you put it perfectly
@@xanmontes8715yes, for elves, in the halls of mandos, but that is more so explored in the books, especially the silmarillion, and not so much in the movies. At least that’s how I remember it
Everything except Gandalf's death is spot-on. Gandalf was literally an angel sent by the literal gods of Tolkien's world to guide the heroes. Him falling to his presumed death still carries huge weight, even on a rewatch of LotR, Gandalf was clearly the most powerful of the Fellowship from the get-go and losing him opens up the real human struggles of the the characters, but in true form to Tolkien being very much a Catholic, people still need God at the end of the day, and so Gandalf returns. It was also just an excellent way to do a resurrection, misleading the audience and the other characters with vague language about a "white wizard" roaming the forest, only to reveal it is in fact Gandalf and not Saruman, with a "hey guys, God said I'm not done yet so I'm back to help"
True, but for most people watching the movie, they didn't know he was basically an angel. So his sudden return from death did have the unintended effect of making death seem less permanent, even though for every other character it would have been. Those who didn't read the books didn't see that distinction.
I also don't agree that it makes the scene less impactful. I've watched those movies countless times and know the books like the back of my hand, but it's a gut punch every time.
Those high notes as the Fellowship exits Moria... 😢
@@KaiserMacCleg For me it lessens the impact on rewatches. For example I wouldn't put it in my "Top 10 Death Scenes in Movie History" because well......... he's alive. In fact I wouldn't put any fake out death in my Top 10. To make the list the character must stay dead, that's one of my requirements.
he also implies Tolkien got cold feet, so he resurrected him
@@TomCruz54321 Gandalf comes back changed, though. He isn't the same jovial character and is much more serious and disconnected and not as close on an individual level. His return doesn't lessen the impact at all, especially considering what he accomplished. And it isn't a fake out death; he actually died
Honestly I don't think any movie has made me feel dread as well as Revenge of the Sith. I physically felt a pang when Anakin cuts off Mace Windu's hand.
I've watched the Saga with friends every year since the day "Episode III" came to DVD, and we *always* yell out when Anakin disarms Mace! 😁
The 6th letter in the alphabet is F, so Order 66 is Order FF, which could stand for "Friendly Fire." Also, I once read that there were 10,000 Jedi across The Galaxy when The Clone Wars began in Episode 2, but after Order 66 happened in Episode 3 about 300 survived, & only a handful of those were still alive by the time of Episode 4.
What the clones did is not friendly fire at all; sounds like you just made head canon up and claimed it as fact
By the time of a new hope there where only two jedi masters who kept the order alive.
A large part of the reason that order 66 was such a large success imo was the audience’s expectation of a Jedi’s death at that point. Obi wan was struck down nobly in battle, yoda passed peacefully after teaching Luke, Qui-gon died fighting maul. The horror of it all is that order 66 shows what happens when the Jedi are not in control of their own fate, and not subject to the conventional rules of combat. They get gunned down, they fall, they drown, they die with no ceremony, only the harsh brutality of war. After all, they were keepers of the peace, not soldiers.
I remember watching it in theatres as a kid and I was horrified . Silence in the theatres
I think Gandalf´s death and resurection is the best that has been done in that regard actually. It works really well. Especially as he doesn´t really come back fully. You always feel a bit of a disconect with his earlier character. Or to put it simple, Gandalfs resurection is character development, while most others are just repeating the same again. It never feels cheep like most of the time, because it has consequence. Gandalf has been deeply changed by the event.
I first watched that scene at 18, so, not a child. I watched the episodes in order of the events, but pretty much knew the overall plot, so I knew it would happen. Still, that scene almost drove me to tears. I saw it coming and it still got to me. That's the power of a good story.
I don't remember where I found it, but I once heard a very good explanation as to why Anikin killed the younglings.
He was so manipulated by Palpatine and so disappointed by the Jedi that he thought it would actually be more merciful to kill them.
For him, the Jedi were the ones who took children from their families and trained them to be soldiers from a young age. They didn't care about them or their feelings (for example, when Anikin tried to save his mother against the Jedis will). Even though they were the so-called freedom fighters of the galaxy, no one ever cared about freeing his mother from slavery. He thought the younglings had been brainwashed by the Jedi only to fight against the "evil" and not accept others. The Council tried to retain its power and did not follow its own sacred rules (Anikin was always lectured, but Mace Windu tried to kill an unarmed man despite being a member of the Jedi Council). The Jedi Council, like the KUS, had its own agenda, he thought. They would lose their power as freedom fighters when the war ended, so they would never stop fighting. As before, the children were just tools of the Jedi.
He had tears in his eyes as he killed the younglings, but he believed that a quick death would be better for them than to die cruelly on the battlefield one day. Their hope was lost. If there was ever going to be peace in the galaxy, he had to do it.
I think too, that was Anakin's crossing the Rubicon moment. Slicing Mace Windu's arm off wasn't planned, it was a reaction. Palps really had him sold on being the only one who could help him. And why not believe him? Trust him? Palps had spent years building up the manipulation. Didn't help that the jedi routinely disregarded and downplayed and hand waved away any concerns he had, or any signs of genuine stress and anxiety. They did nothing to help his mother, even though they could have. They could have rescued the slaves from the Hutts. Thry weren't concerned about it. They practically gift wrapped Anakin and left him on Palps doorstep. Only Obi Wan tried to help. Tried to be understanding.
Anakin has an understandable fear of loss, being separated from him mother, unable to save her. When ge fears for Padme, he goes to "wise" master yoda to express his concerns. Yoda blows him off with "sage" non advisezen anti life "yeah it's good for people to die, and you shouldn't feel anything but happy for them when they go." "Mourn them do not. Miss them do not." He gets a lecture instead of support. What does Uncle Palps do? He "trusts" Anakin so much he "reveals" his sith training by just so happening to have a convenient solution to Anakin's fears. Good ole Darth Plageuis the Wise. He taught everything to his apprentice. Just fyi Anakin, you won't be able to get that secret recipe from the jedi.
So Anakin sees Mace Windu's preemptive attack, preemptive self defense, ignoring all the supposed rules and values of The Republic they're supposed to be protecting. Sees Palps about to possibly lose the duel, Palps notices and really sells his suddenly "helplessness" and reminds Anakin about being the only hope for Padme. Windu is not going to stop. Not going to give Palps a chance to use the law to save himself. Anakin reacts. Does something he can't take back. Tragic mistake.
Now sunk cost fallacy sets in. If he's going to save Padme, he needs to go hard darkside. Darker than dark. He has to "Give Himself to the Dark Side. It is the only way.." to save Padme's life.
Your idea would perfectly serve for how and why he would be able to rationalize such a horrific act in the moment, or maybe afterwards.
"I wasn't slaughtering younglings! I was sparing them from the lies of the Jedi order! I was bringing peace and justice to MY NEW EMPIRE! I SAVED them!"
The act cemented his decision, it retconned his mistake and lashing out as a desperate act of fear. The Jedi were trying to take over! The Jedi were evil! The Jedi were never the guardians of peace and justice! This isn't a cope. If this is what's needed to claim and embrace the UNLIMITED POWER of the Dark Side? Then it is Vader fulfilling his destiny! He will NOT lose Padme! He will become more powerful than any Jedi! He will become stronger than The Chancellor! In fact he will be the strongest ever to use the force! He can overthrow Palpatine, he can rule the Galaxy with Padme as husband and wife! Together they can bring and end to this destructive conflict and bring ORDER TO THE GALAXY! Together they can remake it, the way they always wanted to do!
He has convinced himself that he can still turn this around. That the ends will justify the means. What's waiting on the other side of those younglings is literally everything He ever wanted.
Just remember, Anakin, you're fulfilling your destiny. The jedi will never accept a sith. It will be civil war without end. You're saving them. You're rescuing them the way the Jedi order rescued your mother! They're animals! Just like the Sand People! You can do this Anakin! You HAVE to do this! Otherwise you're an accomplice to murder, you've betrayed the Jedi code, you've betrayed democracy, you've failed THE REPUBLIC! There's no good back now. Go, Lord Vader. Do what must be done. Only then bv will you be strong enough to discover with Palpatine the secret to saving the one you love from dying!
This is what I have believed as well... I feel like the novelization of RotS is flawed in many ways, but it goes into detail in this aspect in a very interesting way
Gandalf's death is one of those Status quo changing moments - fracturing the fellowship and setting the motion of all the characters paths from there - but his resurrection was another one. His return pulled parts of the fellowship back together and gave them purpose again. Both his death and his return served deep plot points and changed the status quo of the story.
I only just watched Star Wars for the first time, despite being a 28 year old, and this moment was incredible. I can’t imagine how it must have felt to watch it when it came out originally.
Haven’t watched the Original series for years and seeing a reel of the Order 66 just made me tear a little bit, what a masterpiece.
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IF you want to see the Clones dealing with the feelings they experienced when Order 66 went into effect, go play the campaign for the original Star Wars: Battlefront II. The whole story is told from the perspective of members of the 501st, narrated by Temuera Morrison, and includes monologues about how they felt turning their guns on different Jedi Masters. Some were overjoyed at putting down the incompetent 'Generals' that lead so many of their brothers to their deaths with bad tactics, botched calls, and just being all around bad leaders. Others could barely stomach turning on such caring, compassionate people, especially when they were good leaders.
Aayla in particular was a sore spot for them. The Clones who got off of Felucia early mentioned being thankful they were all wearing helmets as none of them could look her in the eye when she praised them as the bravest soldiers she'd ever seen. They knew what was coming, and they were just thankful that they weren't the ones pulling the trigger. The group who ended up having to, they were absolutely merciless because they wanted to make sure she felt nothing when they did it. A painful death, in their eyes, would have been far too cruel for her to deserve.
I heard the Battlefront II voiceover and cried.
I have questions tho… The Clone Wars animated series framed it like Order 66 took control of them and their actions. How much decision making they had in the process was near zero. To hear their thought process setting up for the execution and doing it blurred lines for me but that’s okay.
@@tiffanypersaud3518 Those stupid chips are just one of the several reasons I never liked that show. It was definitely one of the dumber decisions they made.
@@tiffanypersaud3518 In legends, The Clones didn't have inhibitor chips that essentially programed them to act a certain way after hearing a trigger phrase. Instead, they knew what they were truly made to do (executing Order 66) and indoctrinated to be loyal to one man above everyone else (Palpatine) from an early age. So when the time came and the order was given, they set aside their own thoughts and went through with it.
@@Hoodie403One of the things that I personally do not like about Legends canon. It takes away from the betrayal aspect if the entire time the clones knew what they were going to do. Besides, inhibitor chips make more sense as how are you going to make sleeper agents out of millions upon millions of clones in tenish years? Installing chips that does the same thing would be cheaper and more time efficient, and even from a writing perspective it reflects how the entire war could be construed as droids against droids.
@@Hoodie403That isn't entirely true. Yes, in the Battlefront 2 campaign the clones knew that Order 66 was going to be executed from the very beginning, but that is NOT consistent with the rest of Legends. In most of the other Legends stories, the clones knew about Order 66, but only because it was one of the 150 contingency orders that were drilled into them since birth. They did not, however, know that Order 66 was going to be issued, only that it was a failsafe for if the Jedi ever went rogue.
Even you just making up that Kenobi scene on the spot was enough to bring a little tear to my eye. Order 66 is just absolutely heartbreaking and I'm glad nothing else like it exists in mainstream. It's our little gem that stabs us 66 times.
Man, how you pointed out the wasted potential of that clone trooper in the Kenobi show got me good. How amazing would it have been if the trooper WAS Cody and that he joined General Kenobi on his mission to save Leia. Re-igniting a fire of comeraderie in Obi-Wan. Making it all the more heartbreaking when Cody would sacrifice himself in one of the final episodes while shouting: "FOR THE REPUBLIC!!"
I need a fanfic of this
I am a young writer, and a novel I'm currently working on is a tragedy. I am often discouraged by writing advice like "write satisfying endings", etc., since people consider heroes losing as unsatisfying, so thank you for helping me to appreciate my form of story!
Making a tragedy satisfying is an art on its own :)
I think there's one element of heartbreak and tragedy at play here that wasn't brought up in this video, and this makes the scene even more gut wrenching.
In the Clone Wars, it's revealed that the clones all have inhibitor chips in their heads, and there's a specific arc in season six where one of the clones discovers the real reason behind these chips after one of them malfunctions in battle. He is eventually killed, keeping the secret hidden, but I think that this showcases how dark the inhibitor chips actually are. As is shown in the penultimate episode of season 7, the clones are essentially overridden by these inhibitor chips, their brains forced to do whatever their programming tells them to do (You can see this in Rex's eyes). This means that not only are the jedi being betrayed on a massive scale, the act is being done by people who don't even want to betray them in the first place. After seeing Captain Rex have his inhibitor chip removed and work again with Ahsoka, I'm willing to bet money that most of the clones wouldn't have followed these orders if they were of their own free will, which makes it even more heartbreaking because they weren't.
This is in my opinion the ultimate tragedy of order 66, because the clones' original and secret purpose was to betray the jedi in the end, which becomes even more heartbreaking when you know that they become their own people throughout the shows, as well as how they are tossed aside in the end, nothing more than a bunch of tools in another madman's toolbox.
Inhibitor chips are the dumbest idea ever; it carries far more weight if they just obeyed orders, which is totally believable for soldiers, especially those bred to be soldiers their entire (accelerated) life
@@pyropulseIXXI Agreed, installing a complicated chip into the brain of each and every Clone is just stupid, when you could just say the term 'Execute Order 66' is some kind of hypnotic suggestion that's built into each Clone when he's grown. If it's a chip, why did Palpy contact all the Clone Commanders to give the order, instead of just hitting a button on his desk to turn the chips on? Favreau is a terrible writer.
Though, imagine from a troopers perspective. A moment of headache, then just knowing that you must gun down your friend in cold blood, and then watching yourself do it. Screaming internally to drop the blaster, to turn away, to raise a warning... anything. Trapped in your meat suit, watching yourself murder somebody you would die for in a heartbeat.
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1. Palpatine didn't contact every commander individually, only a select few like Cody, while the rest just got sent the same message.
2. The inhibitor chip only activates if a clone is actually given the command tp execute Order 66, it's not just a switch you can flip.
3. It wasn't Favreau who came up woth the chips, it was Filoni and Lucas himself.
Fun fact: 66 actually stands for friendly fire
7:02 “Yoda, meanwhile gave exactly no fucks and slaughtered the clones” 😂
Why Yoda lived 900 years, staying frosty.
I think also what works about the additional context of the Clone Wars animated series, is it makes what seems to be a cut and dry case of just evil clones and flips that trope on its head, and makes them just as much victims of Palpatine as the Jedi were.
Basically what's needed is a story set in a different time period. With a different historical era, you can introduce new factions, like new force orders with their own philosophies. The Old Republic cinematics point the way forward. I don't trust Disney to get this right though.
Nahhh, everyone liked the OT so let's just do that setting again, with TIE Fighters and the Millennium Falcon, and like one or two new alien and droid designs so we can claim its unique enough to sell toys! While we're at it bring back the aging actors for even more nostalgia then make their original arcs meaningless before killing them off.
Revenge of the sith was the first star wars movie i ever watched and to start i loved anakin. I thought he was funny, witty and like a shuper hero. He was the best part of the film... then it got to order 66 and i just wept. Its such a good scene and sets up the rest of the movie so well. I was about 12 at the time and loved star wars at thag moment
Gandalf the Grey does die, and never comes back. Gandalf the White is really a different character, although still fundamentally the Maia, Olorin. He remembers Grandalf the Grey like it was someone he used to know, rather than as himself. All implied by the lore, and conversations Gandalf the White has with those who knew Gandlaf the Grey
One discrepancy: The thing about the clones is that they were never loyal to the Jedi, they were made to be loyal to the Republic. This is important because not every clone was in good terms with their Jedi generals, we see this with the campaign of Umbara, and also Ki Adi Mundi who's known for being stoic, actually most Jedi masters and knights were detached from their clones and the ones that didn't were rare exceptions, like Ahsoka and Rex (which is mostly because of Anakin). Also, most clones did not get to see their generals face to face, almost no soldier in any military ever does. That's why the point of Obi Wan wouldn't fly that much, yeah that clone looked like he was from the 501st, which was Anakin's, would've given space for the interaction, but it also not strange that it didn't happen.
the Twilek was rumor to have a romatic relationship. I say more then not jedi did have some bond minus a few.
Man.. I'm really getting the feeling he likes Order 66.
Almost like a…Sith.
I'd say that the Red Wedding from Game of Thrones was similarly soul-crushing
i really love the point about media being scared to show real tragedy, we just have to look around us or search our very lives to find an abundance of gripping, intense, sad, but in a way still beautiful & meaningful stories to be told.
There is a sense of crushing inevitability and finality that descends on me every time I watch this scene, and it's been there since the first time I saw it in 2005. The knowledge that everyone we've come to know love, save Yoda and Obi-Wan, are going to die and there's nothing that anyone can do to stop it is only overshadowed by the veritable HORDES of people that we realize while it's happening that we never got a chance to know in the first place.
The music still makes me teary even without watching the scene itself.
A good rule of thumb to building dread is to give the viewer one thought throughout the story: "Not if. When."
You set in place that an event can happen, build up the possibility into allmost certainty and finally: you close in on the moment where it will be decided. That is when you have the viewer in the palm of your hand. Will you release the tension as your hero barely prevents it against all odds or ... will you let it play out.
Order 66 works in many forms because you know it is comming. And throughout clone wars: it is in the back of your mind. It could happen at any moment, and I have to say when it arives it is allmost perfect. There is just one thing that I would change: Make the dread last just a bit longer.
I think the scene is fine as it is. It sets up Ahsokas connection to Anakin and primes you for Order 66. But that, I believe, is a slight misstake. Not a story breaking one, but my perfect Order 66 scene would play out just slightly different.
It starts of similar. Ahsoka gets a vision of what is happening with Anakin. She goes to Rex and tells him, that something terrible has happened and she needs to return to the Jedi Temple as soon as she can. Rex orders a change in course and comforts her asking for details, but Ahsoka turns around and monologues as to what she wittnessed, how she can not believe what she saw and the camera focuses on her, slightly blurring rex in the background. As she tells him details about the vision, you can see him, in the back, pulling out a transponder with that familiar hologram.
"It feels as if a shadow has engulved Anakin. And it came from (...)"
Sudden camera switch and the *Dong* reverbs as Rex helmet falls to the ground.
"(...) Rex?"
And the rest of the scene continues as normal.
Just a slight tweak of moving Order 66 a few seconds to the back and keeping the moment slightly more hidden until the viewer is suddenly hit with the confusion and realisation that this is THE moment, just as Ahsoka and Rex are being confronted with the dreaded Order 66.
And I think that is why Order 66 is so powerful. You can set it up with a long story leading up to it, causing dread. Or you can use it as a valid sudden tone shift in an otherwise happy story that does not hint at it, because the overall narative still plays in the universe where that moment happens.
I HEAVILY dissagree. If I know something will happen I am just curios how, I don't feel dread, because I already know the outcome. This is why I like GOT so much, the story could at many points continue in many different ways. So you never know what is going to happen, with the spear and mountain fight being the best example IMO. The event can't be a suprise for dread, but the outcome has to be uncertain.
@@someonespotatohmm9513 What you describe with GOT is not really dread tho. It is surprise. Uncertaincy. Sometimes confusion. Subversion.
Dread is something entirely different. It is built on anticipation. It is the buildup to a horrible event that you can forsee.
Knowing that an even will happen is the key aspect of that feeling. You can never dread an event you do not feel can happen for certain. It is a very specific feeling.
Weither it happens is another thing. But the viewer has to feel as if it is unavoidable.
This is a key distinction: The outcome may actually be uncertain, but the viewer has to have the feeling that it is certain to happen to experience that specific feeling.
That is the difference between the viewer experiencing fear that something may happen and the viewer experiencing dread.
@@bass-dc9175 It seems we differ on our definitions of fear and dread. The feeling I asociate with fear is when I am afraid something bad might happen but I am not sure it will.
While dread is the feeling something will happen, I am just not sure what.
With fear there is no requirement that something will happen, with dread there is. I gues that when I know what will happen I rarely feel dread, which might not be universal making the uncertaincy a persenal requirement.
@@someonespotatohmm9513 "While dread is the feeling something will happen, I am just not sure what."
Well there are some additional qualifiers.
For example: You would not feel dread about something good happening on your birthday. Even if you do not know what it is.
The feeling that something bad will happen, but not being sure of what that bad thing is: That comes closer to dread, but I would say that is rather the fear of an unknown. Uncertaincy instead of dread.
While with dread, the aspect of anticipation is a key aspect that defines the very word. It is the fear of something that will happen or might happen to a high likelyhood.
While fear does not have that requirement.
"With fear there is no requirement that something will happen, with dread there is."
Precisely.
" I gues that when I know what will happen I rarely feel dread, which might not be universal making the uncertaincy a persenal requirement."
I think you feel a very similar emotion. When one gets into the nitty gritty of things and tries to distinguish very similar subjects, then things tend to get mixed up rather quickly.
For example:
The Fear that unknown bad event will happen at a specific time results in a rather similar experience to the fear that a known bad event will happen at an unknown time.
The first one amplified the fear by having the event itself be unknown. (Which is commonly known as the "fear of the unknown" ... because the original word [xenophobia] has a different meaning now)
The second one amplified the fear through anticipation.
Both end up with an amplified fear response, but the way they are acchieved differ.
And as you correctly pointed out: Different people are more or less succeptible to them.
I for one am rarely scared of the unknown or dark. But building dread is extremely effective on me.
While you seem to be rather immune to anticipation based fears, but uncertaincy works better for you.
The degree to which these strategies of writing may be effective on certain viewers is personal. I agree.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen genocide so deeply depicted on screen in a superhero or action movie. Even in Infinity War, it was just the heroes disappearing. And then they were revived in the next movie. In Revenge of the Sith, we see the kids murdered, the janitors and staff are killed, there’s riot control waiting on the outside to prevent intervention.
The only series I could see being comparable would be if the Na’vi lose the war in Avatar 3 and then being colonial slaves in Avatar 4.
I would also say that Republic Commando is a pretty good example as well.
You are defined by the relationship and the identity with your squad, the most badass of which is Sev. Being forced into following orders instead of saving one of your best members you last saw fighting for his life is such a moment of betrayal, knowing that despite you're fighting for the Republic and for the Jedi who get the spotlight, your specialized task force has made the difference without notice and some paying the ultimate sacrifice.
It's such a complex series of emotions to go through, and one of the best and top notch squad-based games that I would always recommend.
100% agree with you, possibly the best scene in all of SWs. I have long said that episode 3 is my favorite SW movie, and it's mostly due to this culminating scene. The whole buildup of the Anakin tragedy and its execution.. I miss this kind of well rounded storytelling in SWs.. nothing recent comes close!! Awesome breakdown Henry!
Bravo! Ep. III is a special film for my siblings and I. I was 17 and they were 12 and 7, respectively, so they were able to grasp and appreciate the tragedy unfolding in this trilogy. I was raised on the OT, but was also in an emotional position to accept the story Lucas wanted to tell. When Order 66 happened and I watched Yoda’s body language, tears filled my eyes, because I sensed that he was literally hearing hundreds of his brethren cry out one word: TREACHERY. I believe that’s why he “survived” so efficiently when his clones turned on him.
the way Yoda felt all the deaths, the fact that we didn't know what will happen, only that something horrible will happen in order for the Jedi to nearly go extinct brings the situation to another level of heavy. Also, your idea about the homeless clone, bloody amazing m8
My pick is the sequence of Anakin repenting, saving Luke, asking to see Luke with his own eyes, asking Luke to tell Leia that Luke was right about him, and passing in peace. A good, positive sequence filled with hope as opposed to a dark sequence.
Ani mercifully helping the younglings become one with the force was so heartwarming. You could truly see that he wanted to spare them from the coming storm.
I watched it in theaters when it came out, I was 5. One of my oldest memories, it was so sad seeing all the Jedi getting murdered by their own troops, later we learned some of them were almost like brothers. I agree, it is the best scene in all of Star Wars. It's so brilliant but heart breaking at the same time.
I was a kid when I this movie came out in the cinemas and my dad wanted us to watch the prequel before the original trilogy, so we had no idea how Anakin was gonna turn out… needless to say I felt betrayed as a kid when this happened lol
Even on rewatch, when Gandolf dies, I’ve still cried on occasion, even though I know he’s coming back. I’ve never thought about how much more sad I would’ve felt if he’d been gone for good! It really just goes to show how well crafted the LOTR films are!
I was 5 when this movie first came out.. after the movie my dad asked me “what was your favorite part?” And I said the order 66 scene because of exactly what this CZcams video talks about.. but of course my 5 year old brain couldn’t explain that so my dad just thought I was a little psychopath 😭😂
I remember leaving the cinema in 2005 feeling utterly disturbed, a feeling that stayed with me for about a week afterwards. In between the releases of the prequels I'd started reading the EU material that was being released at the time set in that time period, so seeing the characters that I'd read so much about, like Mace Windu just dropping like flies really affected me.
Also, props for mentioning Mass Effect. In my view, that series has some of the best writing in any franchise ever. If you want tragedy, just look at Mordin's story (I'm not crying, you're crying!). I'd love to see you do a deep dive on aspects of Mass Effect one day.
Yeah this is true. It's harder to feel sometimes in modern movies especially the superhero ones that death is as serious as it should be... ... I've seen countless types of those films and even from various tv series nowadays that downplay evil AND death so much. .. One really strange exception to this though is in the One Piece series. Oda has a horrible issue with the concept of death simply because the core source is manga. Because Oda has to create the character's look and design at the same time as their personality he says he tends to get attached to most characters he creates.... So now most of the time there is a supposed 'death scene' shown most of his fans don't think too much of it and just go 'Oh he will just bring them back and say they survived somehow.. pffftt.. they are fine!'..... And it totally does take avid followers of the series out of it...
..... But at the same time, due to the nature of this manga series and show, most followers of the series are still fine with Oda doing this. This is because he finds clever ways to keep the character engaged in the broader world of the series (Which is another place the MCU has really been falling short as of late; World Building)...... But.. This whole no character death theme also causes it to become much more impactful when a character DOES die on screen as well. The death of Luffy's brother for example is one of the most famous scenes in the show and fans of it badly want to see what he will do when he finally meets Akainu (Ace's killer) in person again....
But yeah I'd have to say that you're right about the Order 66 scenes AND the fact that we haven't had many modern shows or movies of that nature and it's sad because it takes all of the suspense out of these things as well.. Honestly I hope we start to see a turnaround in terms of Hollywood movies over there. :/
Love that analogy 3:57 not even just iron man/Thor being the only survivors but Spiderman turning evil and taking part in the annihilation. And no magic fix later. Okay continue !
I still remember when I watched that scene in 2005 I was like "Oh right... 'Revenge of the sith'..." like, why didn't I see that coming lol
Clone wars just makes it all the better. Build a relationship with most jedi masters and most importantly the clones themselves.
If you were a kid at the time, then please ignore the next part of this statement, because it must have been pretty cool.
If you were over 14 and think clone wars was any good, gross.
@@papa_squat you did not watch the siege of mandalore i am certain of it
@@aang2976 no I did not I can't get over the dialogue it made me gag
And I couldn't stop hearing Numbah 4 every time a clone spoke
My IB English class is currently doing Hamlet, and I thank you for very concisely explaining the themes
Man I have to say after a decade and a half on CZcams you're probably the CZcamsr whose videos I get instantly excited about being freshly uploaded on my feed.
Your sequel trilogy rewrite to this day drops my jaw.
The saddest thing about betrayal, is that it never comes from your enemies.
It's so great because it's so sudden and so brutal it completely rocks to the core
I love tragedies and tragic moments. It always brings up the question: but at what cost? To achieve or to fail, what did our character have to give up? I find them to be much more relatable because we have all lost or won and each time we sacrifices something. Betrayal hits so hard for us because betrayal is losing. Not just losing something tangible, but also emotional, it hurts on several levels as opposed to one.
Like the scene in Jurassuc Park. You spend so much time thinking about if you could. When you should have been thinking if you should.
I AGREE that the scene in which Kenobi sees the homeless clone COULDVE been a more substantial scene. 😢
To anyone young enough that they weren't there I can confirm that Order 66 really was genuinely shocking to watch in theaters.
In my opinion, the mind chips in clone wars take away the impact of order 66. The clones might wear asokas colors but with the chips, its no longer an impactuful betrayal
correct opinion
Every time I see that damned clip from ObiWan where the pirate runs into the ever so obvious tree branch I want to just scream
Now imagine how I felt. I watched episodes 1 to 6. I didn't know they were prequels at that time. I didn't know much at all about Star wars. So it was a complete shock to me
A video essay about the jedicide scene from the best Star Wars movie of all time? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Not the best SW movie
@@dharris-rd2md What? How can you do this? This is outrageous! It's unfair!
I remember being 10 years old, and watching Revenge of the Sith in theaters. This scene, the opening space battle over Courascant, and Anikan and Obi-Wan’s duel on Mustafar were just so impacting to me, not just as a Star Wars fan, but as a now-storyteller/podcaster, seeing anything related to Order 66 still makes me feel 10 again.
I know everyone remembers the Younglings. As they should. But the most tragic death for me was Ki-Adi-Mundi. (For reference, he’s the member of the Jedi Order with the tall head). Watching him charge valiantly into battle, wanting the Clonetroopers to follow up on him, only then to watch them line up in formation to gun him down still gives me chills whenever I rewatch it. Good grief, they don’t make movies like they used to.
Remember seeing this in the theater for the first time and was blown away at the surprise, shock, and the music made me tear up. Wish more Jedi had speaking roles in the prequels (like in Clone Wars) as it would make the scene even more tragic. Would love a live action Clone Wars series for this reason.
With Vader strangling someone to Death in the first scene, I never thought of Star Wars as "for children." Definitely more of a "For everyone" vibe. The bloody dismemberment at the Cantina, the Aunt's and Uncles Smoking Skeletons. It's not a overly bloody violent movie. But it definitely has plenty of dark tones.
Did you know that order 6 out of all of the orders was the one that told them to throw away their communicators as soon as possible
📌 "Would you forsake the world to save your wife?". I think it's a really powerful motivation and I think it was the correct decision to make this Anakin's motivation.
The part about erasing deaths is so true. The issue I had with bringing back palpatine is that the overwhelming issue the sequels had was they wanted to pay so much homage to the original trilogy that the characters weren’t able to be explored to their fullest extent.
Firstly, Kylo was so badass in the force awakens. If they had lead completely into him being a big bad, his hatred fuelled by him feeling insignificant to vader, he could’ve been a 10x more compelling villain than palpatine. His erratic outbursts in FA, his unstable lightsaber. If he had become a fully fledged Sith Lord, he would’ve been amazing as a villain.
Same with Rey, a scavenger from a nowhere planet being the sole bearer of the Jedi legacy? We could’ve had a beautiful arc where, instead of using palpatine as a crutch for her lineage, Rey embraces that she has no family name and adopts the fact she’s found a family in Finn, Poe and Chewie. She could’ve been a perfect foil to Anakin, who was considered “the chosen one”, yet lacked a support system to save him from the dark side, Rey could’ve been tempted by Kylo but Leia, Finn, All of hee friends could’ve demonstrated the power of a family, something Anakin was alienated from which ultimately cost him his humanity.
I just wish they hadn’t second guessed themselves. A scavenger who embodies the last remnants of the Jedi, a resistance pilot who can’t take orders yet tried to do the right thing, a droid with the map to finding THE Luke Skywalker, a stormtrooper who Abandoned his post and THE CHEWBACCA??
They had the perfect ideas, the perfect cast and the perfect start to what could’ve been a perfect finale to the story.
I remember seeing this in theaters and loving this scene. Knowing that Anakin is now Vader was what i had been waiting for.
come on bro don’t get into detail about how well-done a clone and Obi-Wan reunion could have been done, i’m not in the mood to cry today 😭
I think another facet at play on a more character level is how when we meet anakin he's a slave and the jedi free him and by the end hes complicit in the enslaving of millions of clones with Order 66 to enact genocide on the jedi.
At the end, when you especially talked about tragedy, it reminded me of a bit of the start of Oshi no Ko. The first volume of the manga and the first episode of the anime is a great tragedy so powerful that it fuels the whole story. If that part of the story was different and happy, it wouldn’t have been as good as it has been. The tragedy of order 66 elevates the overall story of anakin and Star Wars a lot. It fuels the whole lot of events and changes the course of a lot of things in Star Wars. It also reminds me of your why we love dark Batman video. The tragedy of order 66 is like the darkest part of the main 6 Star Wars movies. Without that part, the end of ROTJ is still great but ROTS and order 66 really elevates that so much more. In good stories, I believe flaws and darkest parts are needed for those positive and light moments to shine. It doesn’t apply to every story but it can apply to a lot of good ones. When done well, a tragedy can stick so much.
A great video again but, my small criticism is, I think you should’ve talked a little more on the order 66 scene instead of drifting so much into the hamlet. Maybe it’s because I’m not too much into Shakespeare and hamlet that distracted me from my main reason of watching: order 66 and why it is a great scene. Around part 3 where you talked a lot about hamlet, at first, was great due to seeing similarities, but I got distracted more as the video came close to end.
Can we just take a minute and appreciate how smooth that AD read was written and woven into the video. It just felt like it belonged there. So I didn't even feel the need to skip it. 🤯
I don't remember where I saw this, but it was exploring what exactly happened inside the heads of the clones in executing Order 66. The clone, upon hearing the order, has this grim emotional reaction like he was just told that the Jedi were all traitors and needed to die. So at least in the moment, the clones genuinely thought they were doing the right thing by killing the Jedi. I'm not sure if this is like a temporary state of mind where they will later realize their minds got controlled temporarily, or perhaps they get permanently stuck in this thought that the Jedi were traitors to the Republic? I wish Star Wars would explore this further, though I'm boycotting Disney Star Wars, so it would have to be from the Legends continuity or something.
In the original canon before the stupid disney retcons the clones followed the orders with their own free will. They truly believed in the Republic as the most important institution in the Galaxy, and trusted the chancellor without question. So when the chancellor issues the command that the jedi are traitors, yes the clones can easily accept that. Especially after the Jedi proved themselves incompetent as war generals and constantly got clones killed to the point that most clones actually hated their jedi commanders and were easily convinced that the jedi were corrupt. Remember that in the star wars stories we are mostly only following the best of the best, but for every heroic jedi there were a thousand arrogant inept ones
Are you thinking of a voiceover? “In the waning days of the Clone Wars, the 501st was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant…” It’s from a some video game.
Your version of the homeless clone would probably have made me cry, honestly the idea from the show was some of the best thing in modern Star Wars but I never thought until now about how much that it could’ve been expanded upon and made into something amazing like how you layed it out
Your idea for the scene with the homeless clone trooper actually brought tears to my eyes. It is a shining moment of humanity, something Disney Wars is completely missing. Look at when Ezra and Sabine reunite after 15 years in Assoka. No tears, no hug, no real emotion at all. Disney Wars is made by emotionally vacant pod people.
Thank you! I needed a great community discussion!!
8:21 Oh man you really hit the nail on the head with the clone in Kenobi. When I first saw that scene I'm like oh fuck he's going to recognize Obi-wan. And then the scene just kinda ends...
Much like the entirety of the Obi-Wan show.
Why would he recognize Kenobi? He's Nax, a 501st trooper who was never specified to have worked alongside Kenobi personally, he's from an entirely different unit than the one that Kenobi commanded, this takes place a decade after the war, and Kenobi was officially thought to be dead. If anything, Nax probably just thought it was someone who looked like Kenobi.
My favorite is when Odysseus is recognized by his dog. Yours is good too though.
Gorman and Vasquez in the air vent.
Every time I watch Revenge of the Sith, my brain tricks itself into thinking “maybe this time it’ll be better… maybe it’ll end differently.” And every time I’m left in stunned silence. It’s outstanding
The music during the Order 66 part is perfect too, I always loved the stormtroopers in the OT, and the clones in the prequels, and seeing them turn was heartbreaking as a kid. The slow change of armor types is cool too, as the clones start to look more like stormtroopers, a nice touch.