Salt Mist Test. Will they rust: 4 Spyderco Salt knives and…
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- In this video I continued testing knives that claim to be salt water rated for corrosion resistance in the device I call Dehyporator (c).
There are 4 MagnaCut and 1 H2 steel blades involved. I am also testing the blade hardness on 3 of them.
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00:00:00 Intro
00:01:05 Dehyporator
00:01:38 At first glance
00:03:42 Let’s look inside the knives
00:16:20 Microscope!
00:25:00 Hardness test
00:28:42 Surprises and questions for you!
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I keep saying that I’ll start making shorter videos but get excited about the knives that are closely related in their function. Sorry about the 31-minute marathon here.
Don't ever worry about the length of your videos, honest information needs the details, facts and proof to make people know they're getting honest information. Short videos never show all the information and most of the important information. Thank you for your clarity!
Keep on making the videos as long as you need to properly convey the info. We'll keep watching because there is a pause button and even fast forward for some. Many will watch the entire length 😂😊
@@CuttingBoardRx no worries! I still watched the whole thing. And then the first half again to make sure I caught everything hahaha.
It is a pleasure to watch. you don't need to apologize. I appreciate the content of your channel a lot.
Personally, I love watching long videos. On the contrary, I don’t like it when the video is too short, of course taking into account the understanding of what I’m watching.
the native 5 salt by far lc200n
My serrated LC200N Salt 2 is my current most carried. I'll probably get a magnacut Native 5 (for the shape), or PM3 (for the lock), but I'm not really in a rush.
Spyderco has mentioned in some interview (its with one of the big retailers), that they have swapped the hardware in the salt knives to be corrosion proof as well. Regardless I am glad there is a channel that challenges that and shows that the things that companies states reflects what they do. Solid vid and wish you a good day.
I just got the newly released Spyderco UKPK in magnacut, and it's one of my all-time favorite knives. I love how lightweight and ergonomic the UKPK is. I also love how the UKPK is a non-locking knife, yet when its blade is opened, it has zero blade play👍 I can also flick the blade of the Spyderco UKPK open one handed😁
I’m wondering if the new Labour Government will be likely to increase or decrease the knife regulations in the UK? It is my expectation that the British people will soon be limited to carrying wooden blades only (like the ones provided on Lufthansa airlines with meals). Thoughts?
@@CuttingBoardRx I'm actually from the USA🇺🇸. I love the Spyderco UKPK because of its ergonomics and how lightweight it is. Both the LC200N and magnacut UKPK knives are made with FRN scales and have coated hardware/pocket clips, so they are virtually rust proof. The LC200N and magnacut UKPKs are good knives to carry this summer because where I live is been 90+ degree and extremely humid(swamp ass weather)🥵
Been using the salt para3 since it’s been out, fishing on the Atlantic Ocean. Amazing knife so far and very impressed with its corrosion resistance, edge retention, ease of use and capabilities. It’s seen all there is to see and looks good as day 1 out of the box.
@@dramace11 Good to know!
Amazing corrosion test video as always. Loved that you added pm2 salt. I have a challenge for you. QUIET CARRY WAYPOINT! Vanax steel and maker promises to survive ocean environment. Really want to test that claim! Please!
My Maxamet PM2 ran away and hid when I started watching this video...lol. The PM2 Salt stock G10 scales are probably my favorite of all. They are just the right amount of grippy without tearing up your hands or pockets...Great feel!
@@Sharpaholic-1 Lol 😂
Fantastic video!
@@mel87123 thank you!
Your tests are very thorough, with a very scientific un-biased approach. I don't live near the ocean, but I have been sweating on my pocket knives for years. I've had some spots show up on a few steels, K390 and ZDP-189. The 5th pocket on jeans stays wet during summer months, mix of sweat and lint, fingerprints and cardboard dust are my real world factors.
I've noticed spots in the jimping myself, but a stiff nylon brush and some oil are enough to stop any real corrosion. Got a Native 5 in Magnacut in my pocket some days, I bet it won't have the same spots.
I have a native 5 salt that I used quite extensively and it was wet quite often and had no issues... until my colleftion grew and I put it away for about a year, when I took it out to maintain it had developed rust and corrosion in the jimping. Most of it cleaned away there are 3 or 4 small spots I can't get rid of. (Lc200n blade steel.)
Is it possible the corrosion spots on the H2 are just “carried” there from the atomizer of the salt spray making it just superficial staining?
I think they overheat the steel during the grinding of that aggressive convex. This is austenitic steel and relies heavily on molecular structure compression, heating it up would f this up. Read Dr Thomas article, he’s using much more intelligent language!
I lived in Florida in between the intercoastal waterway and the ocean. Went fishing and swimming all the time. My cheap budget knives all held up. I still carry my broken skull in xhp.
I don't have a real need to spend the extra money for something that was never a problem.
Out of all those knives im only interested in Hogue Deka.
You make a amazing video. I love your testing these knives. Im really only commenting to help your algorithm. But being me i figured id let you know were i stand with this water series. I believe these are for people that don't want to do any maintenance.
I like what you do, mate. However, watching your videos always makes me wonder if I brought the right pocket knife.
This is not a bad thing. Your videos are very informative and relevant. I recently brought the Manix Salt and it came to me with cracked scales out of the box. I was so disappointed for a USA made spyderco. My other spyderco from Japan and Taiwan models were perfect out of the box. Anyway, in this video, I think Manix and Hogue are winners because the knife is ambidextrous.
I like how fall shutty your Manix is, so now I am thinking of removing the washers from on mine.
If you do remove the washers, make sure you tighten the pivot screw first and the stop pin screws first and pretty tightly. This will minimise any side to side wiggle.
If I wanted my magnacut manix2 to be super corrosion resistant I'd buy nylon washers for it. It would also fill the gap by removing the original washers and keep dirt out of the pivot better.
CB I don’t know your background but there is more to you than meets the eye I’m sure. Regarding the length of the videos, we will always watch and support you when you have the kind of in-depth analysis that you have and all the testing that you do. I did watch the video where Greg Medford was very annoyed at people who test knives that they buy and take them apart. But he’s on one side of a coin and we’re on the other side. We’re buying a product that they are saying is so superb and they are an extraordinary amount of money and they make accusations that we wanna make sure are accurate for the amount of money that we’re paying. If they send out a knife that has a bad bevel of course we’re going to be shocked and upset because he is on that Internet every day bragging about how good his knives are. so on the other side of the coin is where we sit, and he can understand that I would like to know what he spends his money on what he expects from his money that he spends.. would you get a good job on calling that out. Greg shouldn’t be so mad at you. He should be mad at the worker who didn’t do his job correctly never should he ever get upset at the customer for calling out a problem with his product comes out. Because of it happened once it’s gonna happen again and it’s happened before I’m sure but he would rather you call him and keep it on the down low then let anybody else know that these things happen. That’s what makes it worse to me.
You could try to find some teflon washers to put into the manix. That should work really well for a salt knife
@@Superbus753 I actually tried to find the Teflon washers in this thickness, 010” but couldn’t. Lmk if you know a source!
Just leaving this to get a notification in case there is a source
@@foome36 i tryed to put a possible source but youtube makes it always disappear
@@CuttingBoardRx You might find what you search on the website of usaknifemaker
@@foome36 usaknifemaker might have some
My Salt Para 3 is the easiest to deploy, followed by my Manix 2 Salt. My PM2 Salt also has a very tight action and is hard to open and close one handed. I'll likely rescale and tune the PM2 and not use it for water activities, and if getting wet will carry the other 2. My Para 3 is the lightest and most easily flickable and flicks closed just as fast, although I'm usually a bigger fan of the Manix 2 of any sort. My Salts will actually never see the exposure to salt-water like in your test, but rather maybe see fresh water in a standup paddle board or kayak or floating inner tube-like watercraft.
I'm also surprised by the fact that on the serrations, there is no sign of rust. If I remember correctly, Spyderco had to start using the h2 instead the h1 because the steel manufacturer stopped the production of H1 and started with the H2 I don't know why but it doesn'tseems an improvement. As for me, my favorite is probably the pm2 just because I always prefer to have steel liners. Even though I prefer the ball bearing lock to the compression lock, that in my personal experience creates an annoying hot spot, at least in my pm2 (I have the cruwear micarta version).
Doing the lords work here,
Thank you for your diligence sir
The salt pm2 in my testing on the water is the clear winner. Like you said corrosion begins to appear where water pools and the coating definitely helps. Where the water pools will leave an accumulation of dried salt. I found just wiping it off removes any accumulation with nothing left behind.
@@floridaman727 the coating played a visual trick on me: I think the salt crystals were partially imbedded in the coating’s porosity and formed a flat enough surface on top to create the refraction, which gave me these colours in the visible spectrum. And you are right: a pinch full of oil removed it without a trace.
@@CuttingBoardRx it is without a doubt the most corrosion resistant folder I’ve ever owned. Absolutely love it
Personnaly, i always put some mineral oil (butcher block oil, food safe) in the pivot of my brass washer knives. I'm really curious about the impact it would have on corrosion resistance on the manix salt for exemple.
Great work btw 👌
Hi Buddy coating from the pm2 salt is DLC coating. Very resistant coating. I agree that Carribbean g10 handle is awesome. I love mine as well as my carribean. My theory for thoses corrosion spot on the jinpin and arround the spydiehole is due to machining process with aggressive abrasives/tools. The surface is not high polish (smooth satin finish is the best to prevent corrosion overt stonewash which creates micro void on the surface to trap the moisture). And also it's possible that this aggressive machining on the surface create a very small modification of the steel on the surface. We can guess that the serrations on the h2 are more representative of the unaltered h2 steel. Just my 2 cents nothing scientifically approved.
@@armandkokotajlo2085 actually you are being too modest! Aggressive machining, such as required for creating the convex grind or jumping does alter the steel causing for example austenitisation, carbonisation… so yes, it is not the same. And, again, you are correct- the serrated edge is ground in with much more restraint than the primary grind. The enthusiasm to utilise the H2 steel has overwhelmed Eric’s typical balance 😂 probably because its use eliminates a step or two in the manufacturing process
@@CuttingBoardRx I don't see any advantage of H2 over magnacut after your test. The loss of edge retention is too big for the corrosion performance claimed. LC200N, Magnacut and Vanax are better performers for edge retention over H2. And for a pocket knife for water/salt environment who cares of thoughness and tenacity? Maybe it outclassed them with a long underwater exposition ? If the aim is to have no corrosion over edge retention why not making blade from titanium like Mission Knives psrk?
@@armandkokotajlo2085 … or dendritic cobalt blade like on 365 Terrain. Oh, crap! You just gave me an idea!!!
@@CuttingBoardRxdo you own a knife by Sandrin? I am curious how it would do in this test as the polyhedral tungsten carbide blade should not be able to corrode. But how does the knife as a whole (torino has several parts to it that potentially could corrode)
Thank you for the video! It’s very informative and useful as usual! I’m thinking of getting pm2 in magnucut even though I own the one in s90v …What would you suggest? Should I get it or they are pretty much the same knives?
Do you just want the knives for edc use?
I mean,do I really…??? I own four different steel of enduras,four different steel of manix 2,one cat,one efficient,one military 2,one pm2,one para3 and bunch of different other brands…,but still,should I get it…???
Honestly, I would not trade S90V for MagnaCut. I would add a CruWear to my collection before another MagnaCut blade. And Spyderco heat treats CruWear to the top of the range where it has the exact same hardness and toughness as MC at 62-64 HRC
Thanks for helping the channel!
@@CuttingBoardRx Got it! Thanks🫡 My military 2 and Manix 2 are in Cru Wear and I love them!
3:00 Spyderco Caribbean > salt pm2
I'm very disappointed with the H2. I was planning on getting the Stretch in H2, but wow, that rust! Could it have been an anomaly? Can we see more tests of the H2?
Hi, how are you? Do you have any videos talking about how you maintain your knives to prevent rust? I have three knives: Kershaw, Civivi, and Cold Steel. The latter doesn't even respond to emails. When I asked Kershaw about using mineral oil on the knife (since I live in Brazil and there's only one store that sells only Nano Oil, which is extremely expensive), they replied that it's best not to use any oil to avoid residue buildup. On the other hand, Civivi said, which matches the information in their manual, to apply a thin layer of oil (they leave the type of oil open). So, there isn't a consensus. I just don't want to worry about my knives rusting.
My para3 LW has a slot cut into the female side of the clip screw pc I needed a Lynch NW clip. Lol
What are the physics/mechanism of your hardness tester?
@@ElCapAddict This must be the first of my videos with HRC tests you’ve watched? It’s a Leeb tester. Check my other videos with hardness tests and then scroll through the comments, there’s a few discussions there about the method, techniques and accuracy.
Based off these results, would you take a Magnacut Salt series swimming with you at the beach?
I think there are no better folding knives for that at any price, however, have you considered a small fixed blade? I recently acquired Boker Plus BFF Pack Light fixie in MagnaCut. No scales, super flat construction… I will be reviewing it soon.
@@CuttingBoardRx thanks so much for the input! I have a Native 5 Salt in Magnacut which is why I ask. I have a few small fixed blades (not suitable for water) like my Izula and Boker Coye Ridgeback, but I don't really like to carry them. Even less so if I am wearing board shorts. I tend to have a small knife at least in my bag when I go to the beach for cutting fruit or small EDC tasks. A small folder, like the Native Salt, in a board shorts pocket is perfect. I bought it specifically for beach camping and carry comfort. I'm just apprehensive of ruining it the first time I think I'm good to go paddling out in the ocean lol.
Thanks for doing these vids. Cus I was under the impression I can leave it in a bucket of salt water (not that I would) and be fine lmao. I'll know now to be more careful and remind myself it's not immune to salt water damage.
I'm very interested in your Boker review cus that would be an even better beach camping option. Thanks for the suggestion! Can't wait for the next vid 🙌
While watching this video, I constantly heard a voice in my head. Who kept telling me: - Turn it off, turn it off... Then I remembered that I had Manix Maxamet in my pocket.
The corrosion on your H2 example is a contaminated example, send it back, i use H2 day in day out in salt water, salt spray on it 24/7, air drying in salt water all day long, not a spec of corrosion, basically impossible to rust. You should do a re-rest with a different H2 Spyderco because i think that one may have been contaminated. Great vids tho keep them coming mate.
Which knife do you have that’s made of H2?
@CuttingBoardRx I have 2 of the new Stretch 2 XL, and 4 pacific Salt 2's , all in H2. All of them live in salt water every day for work, all of them air dry covered in salt residue every single day, none of them have a single spec of corrosion. My co workers also have the same result with no corrosion. It's a shame that some of these knives get contaminated at the factory somehow. I hope you get to do a new test, I really enjoy your salt mist chamber tests. It's also a good idea to rub a metal polish on all salt blades when you get them, it helps remove any metal partical dusts that have settled onto the blades from the factory causing this superficial surface corrosion. Im assuming whatever blemishes were on your H2 rubbed off with a rinse under water?
@@miked6367 I thoroughly cleaned all the knives with rubbing alcohol prior to the test. Two points: the 24 hours accelerated corrosion test in salt mist chamber is not correlated to a real world conditions and intended as comparison of items to one another under identical conditions. The deep hollow grind is not something I would subject a work-hardened steel to as it alters the material properties to a significant degree.
Question: H2 came to the market about 4 months ago, how did you end up with 6 knives in this steel?
Edit: no the rust didn’t come off with water or even the penetrating oil, small spots remained on the hollow grind. You will be able to see it in the next video.
I bought a whole bunch for work as soon as they hit the market. Been using the H1 serrated versions on the job in the ocean for years all corrosion free. Funny thing is, my LC200N knives all get minor corrosion from heavy ocean water exposure, but all my H1 and H2 knives are all spotless. The LC200n knives i bought at the same time as the H2 models to test them, i always buy multiples of my knives because they're part of my daily tool kit, need redundancy in case i lose one in the water. Cheers
Im curious also, have you tested H1 in the mist chamber? I'd like to know the results, these tests are great to watch.
What is the yellow stuff you see under the microscope (not rust)? Is it oil?
@@thoughtstream9591 the knives were completely degreased. What looks like brownish film is surface rust. Sometimes my light gives a golden reflection on the blade. Time stamp where you saw it, I’ll be able to give a better answer
@@CuttingBoardRx Given they are clean, lighting definitely sounds like the reason. Looking again it moves around sometimes which also supports that idea. On my screen it looks like it is there in the majority of magnified shots which is why I noticed.
@@thoughtstream9591 believe it or not, finding a good light fixture for filming was the hardest part of setting up the studio!
Lc200n*
so your going to wipe the last knife with the penetrating oil and neglect the others knives in the video, maybe you already know the oil wont work on the other knives but i don't know this!! unless you wipe down all of the knives is biased and pretty much unfair.