Hi there, yes I saw a lot things that you did point out, but let's face, all those issues are basically maintenance, and inherent to the boats regardless yes, those hinges at ruder was a little thin, but if it sounds, it would last. Now breaking down: You did'nt mention the price tag on that boat, but anything bellow U$15 thou, it is worth. Another thing, we think we need ervery thing new, overdone, beefy, load with every possible gadgets...NO, no, we need be confidant with what you we got, simple is better, buy cheap, enjoy cheap, and salle it cheap, anything in between, is all fun. Ps: You mention you need a cleet on the middle of the boat, and bla,bla,bla instead, put a clit inside the boat. LOL Cheers from Brazil!
Nice video just subscribed. I just bought my first sailboat a 1980 Catalina 22. Learning a little everyday. Enjoy watching your content. Keep up the great work!
You can just see Colin Archer's influence in the design of these Westsail 32's. If I'm not mistaken they're fondly referred to as the Beetle of the seas, a great compliment to be sure, since I'm too lazy to double check myself please correct me if my assumption that these boats are a Bill Crealock design based on Archer's iconic Norwegian double ended lifeboat designs that influenced him, Harwood Ives (Hans Christians except the 34') and Bob Perry (the HC 34', tayana 37 and Vancouver 42, probably the Valiant 40 and 42 as well????) Almost all your iconic canoe stern/double enders have an Archer influence and most were designed by the above designers. All are great sea boats and are a tried and tested century old heavy weather displacement long keel design that's saved thousands of lives at sea for a long time, I'd have one in a heartbeat wete it not for me finding a 7 year old hard chine steel Van De Stadt 34' in blue water high latitude expedition capable certified condition, you can not go wrong with a steel boat if you are a fabricator/coded welder with EU shipbuilding experience😎😎
Dodged a bullet there, bud. After going through a refit / rebuild on my own WS32 I think you're wise to pass on this boat. As Guy mentioned, this boat isn't worth anything near 30k. Maybe 5k? Cheers!
I'm looking for a Westsail 32 or 28. Appreciate your time. I've yet to see one in person. Waiting on a owner to return so I can look at one for sale here in Europe.
Thanks for watching and for the info, Kimberly. That's interesting to know. Frankly, I am not surprised Westsail moved to another rudder setup. Though, if it's lasted this long...
I think you did the right thing to walk away. Looking at that boat i had the feeling there where going to be a lot of "hidden" costs lurking out of site of the initial inspection
My research on these remarkable “heavy” vessels has led me to look for the hp rating. I don’t think anything less than 36 hp will do. 50hp seems to be on a wish list for many, me included, buyers.
Yes, that's definitely a factor I consider. I generally prefer to see an inboard with 1hp for every 500 lbs of displacement, though this is not of great concern to me on smaller, lighter displacement boats.
Thanks for watching. As I recall, the asking was about $30K. A W32 might be in my future, but not for the time being. I've found another interesting boat in the meantime. Please stay tuned!
There is WestSail 32 just down from mine in Anacortes that is in good condition .it’s for sale on the WestSail web site and Anacortes Yatch sales.. the boat is behind Seattle Yatch sales in Anacortes
I got an Alberg 30 with a new Yanmar for 8k, sounds like a perfect boat for your short term and longer term plans. Have you watched Jean Du Sud here on CZcams?
I've read Jean Du Sud; great story. I had a 1967 Alberg 30 featured in earlier videos. That one needed too much work and I lived too far from the boat.
Lovely looking boat but I like your thinking on it and concerns. Looks interesting in that any wave that comes over the bow will end up running right onto cockpit seating area.
Hi Hans, thanks for watching. The plan and goal is to sail beyond my local shores - possibly across oceans - and I prefer the more heavily built boats for peace of mind.
That repair would take at least 4 months to repair due to curing and drying time between stain varnish Fiberglass and calk. I would let them pay me to fix it. But I don't want another white elephant burden. Good call. I will give you any technical advice I can on that side of it. Oh and I just Subscribe so we can get these channels in the wind as well.
This is my boat of choice. Strong, stsble and roomy. This example is not worth snywhere near 30k. I can only guess at the cost of repairs, but it would be subsrsntial.
Hi! Thanks for watching. Any and all old boats that I might buy will need work. In most cases the necessary jobs can be managed, but it's a matter of priorities. I have specific reasons for passing on this one, explained in the video.
Hi Owen , a lot of W32's were owner finished . I suspect the builder by passed the stock rudder set up by Westsail for what you found to save money (my thought) . I can't believe someone would do that . It's boats like this that give Westsail's a bad name . If you are after a Westsail , please join us over at the owners group . Also on Buds site there are a lot of W32's for sale . Owners site . www.westsail.org/homepage Buds site . www.westsail.com/
Hi Mark, thanks for your comment. I think the W32 would be an excellent boat for me. I've decided to go in a different direction in terms of boats, but I'll keep those sites in mind for future.
No, don't do it. Pass on the W32. Even if in better shape, you'll want to trade it in for a different boat in a few months. Expensive lesson in what boat is meant for you. Don't pay attention to me, I'm channeling my own desires in a boat. My first goto are the numbers - and this is one heavy slow sailing hull. Although the capsize formula at 1.6 which is excellent, (anything below 2 is desireable. Most boats are at 2 exactly) so you can't outrun a reef, but you won't go turtle up. Long keel, fin keel, cutaway doesn't matter to me; I prefer maneuverability above all else because I'm shitty on engines, and will have to sail my way out of trouble. Also a minimalist, no fridge no aircon, no harm (been sailing in the tropics for years, love a wide brim hat) tech today has miniaturized a lot of sailing tools (ipad, bad elf, navionic charts and a sextant for backup) However if set on the Westsail profile, I'd look for a Cape George 31, or 36.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP Like I said "Don't pay any attention" to what I said. BTW If you did get a W32, I really want to know how is it not tied to the dock, but out on the water.
This comment is probably useless due to my lack of knowledge, but I just got bad vibes about the condition/neglect maintenance issues on that 50 year old boat, even though I know newer hulls can be even more suspect due to blistering issues.
Everything on this boat needed repaired or replaced. All I see was time and $$$$$$$. Running rigging is cheap and super easy to replace. The fact they did not even do that tells you they did nothing.
REALLY hard to follow with all the wind noise. I’m no expert on editing video but I think you might look at muting the sound and editing in comments after you’re off the boat.
The best boat for you is a Catalina 27, if you currently have a Tanzer 22, given your comments about this W32, the Catalina 27 is the boat for you, given your boat shopping Chevrolet budget (please don’t take offence - been there) The Catalina 27 is the Chevrolet of the production sailboat genre. You can get them inboard or outboard powered. You can sleep on it, cook and eat on it, and pee and poop on it, and when it is pissing down rain, heat it and play cards with your partner, or kick back and read in your bunk. I have seen them in all states of condition and sale, from “free to $20kCDN. I say all this because you were talking about having to go to the Bank for a loan. I understand, but if you have to do that, let’s make it a SMALL loan; no fun falling in love with some boat you are forced to sell someday because you encounter financial troubled waters…… I think your instincts re THIS W32 were good. To get Bud Taplin (the Dali Lama of Westsails) involved re replacing standing rigging (chainplates looked in very good shape), boomkin changeout, and re&re of gudgeons and pintles to Bud’s specs, you would have to have got the boat for $20k. I say all this being the owner of a W32, to which you have an open invite to visit and sail on. Think about my comments. I have a feel, with your financial context in mind a Catalina 27 fits your bill. If everything works out and you go the C27 route, you will undoubtedly acquire the worst of sailing diseases: “Two-Footitis”. “My ideal boat is just two feet bigger.” Hey, you should know, some people have taken c27’s around the world! Nothing more fun than looking around to fall in love - with a sailboat! Vernon in West Vancouver
Thank you, Vernon, for your comments. The Catalina 27 has a lot of good qualities, but a couple years ago I purchased a Cape Dory 25D. You can check it out in my later videos.
Bloody good deal whatever the condition👍 Sadly I'm currently negotiating final sale price (a bit more than 3.5) for a 7 year old steel Van De Stadt 34' with the taller fractional performance rig built to Lloyds register ocean going ice rated specifications. A little more bulletproof than the Westsail, and although not a fast boat with a 8/9 knot hull speed she'll leave a Westsail for dead😀😎
That boat was a POS! And I would recommend only buying cash. The simple truth is as follows: you buy a old boat for $30,000 you will spend another $30,000 to get it right. That’s just the way it is.Get your self a Dana 24 and you will be better off.
Check out on CZcams= Captain Q ,Yacht Hunter I really enjoy his findings of sail boats that may or may not need a lot of TLC yet just right for the money.
Hi there, yes I saw a lot things that you did point out, but let's face, all those issues are basically maintenance, and
inherent to the boats regardless yes, those hinges at ruder was a little thin, but if it sounds, it would last. Now breaking down: You did'nt mention the price tag on that boat, but anything bellow U$15 thou, it is worth. Another thing, we think we need ervery thing new, overdone, beefy, load with every possible gadgets...NO, no, we need be confidant with what you we got, simple is better, buy cheap, enjoy cheap, and salle it cheap, anything in between, is all fun. Ps: You mention you need a cleet on the middle of the boat, and bla,bla,bla instead, put a clit inside the boat. LOL Cheers from Brazil!
Nice video. It definitely needed some love but they are great boats and IMO sail beautifully..
I love my Westsail
Thanks for that. I'll make it a point to go sailing on one some day. They certainly inspire confidence when in inclement weather.
Nice video just subscribed. I just bought my first sailboat a 1980 Catalina 22. Learning a little everyday. Enjoy watching your content. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the kind words. The Catalina 22 is a fun boat. Enjoy the journey!
Thank you for showing us the boat. Lookung at a beat up Westsail 32 in Hawaii.
That engine looked in great shape, almost like new.
You picked a winner. The boat is “right” on so many levels.
Thanks for posting your inspection, I learned a bunch!
Great to hear, Leo. Thanks for watching!
You can just see Colin Archer's influence in the design of these Westsail 32's. If I'm not mistaken they're fondly referred to as the Beetle of the seas, a great compliment to be sure, since I'm too lazy to double check myself please correct me if my assumption that these boats are a Bill Crealock design based on Archer's iconic Norwegian double ended lifeboat designs that influenced him, Harwood Ives (Hans Christians except the 34') and Bob Perry (the HC 34', tayana 37 and Vancouver 42, probably the Valiant 40 and 42 as well????) Almost all your iconic canoe stern/double enders have an Archer influence and most were designed by the above designers. All are great sea boats and are a tried and tested century old heavy weather displacement long keel design that's saved thousands of lives at sea for a long time, I'd have one in a heartbeat wete it not for me finding a 7 year old hard chine steel Van De Stadt 34' in blue water high latitude expedition capable certified condition, you can not go wrong with a steel boat if you are a fabricator/coded welder with EU shipbuilding experience😎😎
i just transported a 75 model from Georgia to Galveston.
Dodged a bullet there, bud. After going through a refit / rebuild on my own WS32 I think you're wise to pass on this boat. As Guy mentioned, this boat isn't worth anything near 30k. Maybe 5k? Cheers!
I'm looking for a Westsail 32 or 28. Appreciate your time. I've yet to see one in person. Waiting on a owner to return so I can look at one for sale here in Europe.
Sweet video I bought my boat 2 yrs ago from the same area in Anacortes beautiful area
Very cool! Yes, the area is spectacular. Thanks for watching!
Great video!
Thanks!
nice boat mate!!
Thank you!
Good stuff brother
Thanks for watching
I like it great boat , bit of work make it your own
If resources were plentiful, I might have considered it further.
I Don't Blame you I would survey it as well.
I have a 73 Westsail and mine has the same gudgeons.they used the fiberglass ones later on
Thanks for watching and for the info, Kimberly. That's interesting to know. Frankly, I am not surprised Westsail moved to another rudder setup. Though, if it's lasted this long...
I think you did the right thing to walk away. Looking at that boat i had the feeling there where going to be a lot of "hidden" costs lurking out of site of the initial inspection
I'm sure you know more than i do but would it be wise to bring a pad to write notes of all the areas of the boat that need immediate repairs?
My research on these remarkable “heavy” vessels has led me to look for the hp rating. I don’t think anything less than 36 hp will do. 50hp seems to be on a wish list for many, me included, buyers.
Yes, that's definitely a factor I consider. I generally prefer to see an inboard with 1hp for every 500 lbs of displacement, though this is not of great concern to me on smaller, lighter displacement boats.
Very good video lots of information.
What was the asking price?
Will you look at any other W32's ?
Thanks for watching. As I recall, the asking was about $30K. A W32 might be in my future, but not for the time being. I've found another interesting boat in the meantime. Please stay tuned!
There is WestSail 32 just down from mine in Anacortes that is in good condition .it’s for sale on the WestSail web site and Anacortes Yatch sales.. the boat is behind Seattle Yatch sales in Anacortes
Thanks for the tip, Gregg! I've settled on another boat but might return to the W32 in the future.
The yard of broken dreams
I got an Alberg 30 with a new Yanmar for 8k, sounds like a perfect boat for your short term and longer term plans. Have you watched Jean Du Sud here on CZcams?
I've read Jean Du Sud; great story. I had a 1967 Alberg 30 featured in earlier videos. That one needed too much work and I lived too far from the boat.
You need a wind slayer on that gopro or smart phone.
cleats are no big deal. Dude they will take a lesser offer and I started on a 32 ericson MK III No problem.
For 30grand you can find a practically fully functional blue water boat 30-40feet with very little too repair and or replace.
Lovely looking boat but I like your thinking on it and concerns. Looks interesting in that any wave that comes over the bow will end up running right onto cockpit seating area.
Thanks Michael!
Take all circle pins and replace with clevas pins got to take care if rigging
Since you are not cruising around the world, try to find a Catalina 30 with a diesel.
Hi Hans, thanks for watching. The plan and goal is to sail beyond my local shores - possibly across oceans - and I prefer the more heavily built boats for peace of mind.
Careful how you score things ...lots of folklore out there!!!
The Westsail "Scaramouche" , a famous westsail lives in the portland are--look him up-------Mikey in Sequim
Brother you been smoking the good one! Lol jk. Cool deal
That repair would take at least 4 months to repair due to curing and drying time between stain varnish Fiberglass and calk. I would let them pay me to fix it. But I don't want another white elephant burden. Good call. I will give you any technical advice I can on that side of it. Oh and I just Subscribe so we can get these channels in the wind as well.
This is my boat of choice. Strong, stsble and roomy.
This example is not worth snywhere near 30k. I can only guess at the cost of repairs, but it would be subsrsntial.
Thanks for watching, Guy! I ended up passing on this boat for this reason among others.
40ft slip for 32ft of boat always rubbed me raw
I am sure it was strong and solid in the years it was built. It doesn't look like that right now. are you sure ?
Hi! Thanks for watching. Any and all old boats that I might buy will need work. In most cases the necessary jobs can be managed, but it's a matter of priorities. I have specific reasons for passing on this one, explained in the video.
i live my cc 24. so nimble
Nice, sea worthy, slow but comfortable.
Must be a kit boat doesn’t have the factory hinged mast so you can tilt mast down
A tabernacle at the mast could be very helpful.
She's a beauty..fair winds mate.
Those are pretty boats, too much wood for me though...
I prefer less wood too; the less wood used, the less the upkeep required. I do like the look of wood, however. Thanks for watching!
Old boat that needs a lot of money and work. Max value around 10k.
I was thinking 5
@@andrewwilliams9419 yup, old boat.
Hi Owen , a lot of W32's were owner finished . I suspect the builder by passed the stock rudder set up by Westsail for what you found to save money (my thought) . I can't believe someone would do that . It's boats like this that give Westsail's a bad name .
If you are after a Westsail , please join us over at the owners group . Also on Buds site there are a lot of W32's for sale .
Owners site . www.westsail.org/homepage
Buds site . www.westsail.com/
Hi Mark, thanks for your comment. I think the W32 would be an excellent boat for me. I've decided to go in a different direction in terms of boats, but I'll keep those sites in mind for future.
15 or 20 thousand to straighten that boat out .
No, don't do it. Pass on the W32. Even if in better shape, you'll want to trade it in for a different boat in a few months. Expensive lesson in what boat is meant for you. Don't pay attention to me, I'm channeling my own desires in a boat. My first goto are the numbers - and this is one heavy slow sailing hull. Although the capsize formula at 1.6 which is excellent, (anything below 2 is desireable. Most boats are at 2 exactly) so you can't outrun a reef, but you won't go turtle up. Long keel, fin keel, cutaway doesn't matter to me; I prefer maneuverability above all else because I'm shitty on engines, and will have to sail my way out of trouble. Also a minimalist, no fridge no aircon, no harm (been sailing in the tropics for years, love a wide brim hat) tech today has miniaturized a lot of sailing tools (ipad, bad elf, navionic charts and a sextant for backup) However if set on the Westsail profile, I'd look for a Cape George 31, or 36.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP Like I said "Don't pay any attention" to what I said. BTW If you did get a W32, I really want to know how is it not tied to the dock, but out on the water.
Contact #'s for this boat ? Diamond in the ruff
This comment is probably useless due to my lack of knowledge, but I just got bad vibes about the condition/neglect maintenance issues on that 50 year old boat, even though I know newer hulls can be even more suspect due to blistering issues.
Dodged a bullet with this boat. One of the worst W32's I've seen.... break the bank.
Everything on this boat needed repaired or replaced. All I see was time and $$$$$$$. Running rigging is cheap and super easy to replace. The fact they did not even do that tells you they did nothing.
REALLY hard to follow with all the wind noise. I’m no expert on editing video but I think you might look at muting the sound and editing in comments after you’re off the boat.
Noted!
Wet sail term is not it’s not just an alliteration take it from me I owned two sailboat dealerships I think I know boats it’s dog slow and wet
The best boat for you is a Catalina 27, if you currently have a Tanzer 22, given your comments about this W32, the Catalina 27 is the boat for you, given your boat shopping Chevrolet budget (please don’t take offence - been there) The Catalina 27 is the Chevrolet of the production sailboat genre. You can get them inboard or outboard powered. You can sleep on it, cook and eat on it, and pee and poop on it, and when it is pissing down rain, heat it and play cards with your partner, or kick back and read in your bunk. I have seen them in all states of condition and sale, from “free to $20kCDN. I say all this because you were talking about having to go to the Bank for a loan. I understand, but if you have to do that, let’s make it a SMALL loan; no fun falling in love with some boat you are forced to sell someday because you encounter financial troubled waters…… I think your instincts re THIS W32 were good. To get Bud Taplin (the Dali Lama of Westsails) involved re replacing standing rigging (chainplates looked in very good shape), boomkin changeout, and re&re of gudgeons and pintles to Bud’s specs, you would have to have got the boat for $20k. I say all this being the owner of a W32, to which you have an open invite to visit and sail on. Think about my comments. I have a feel, with your financial context in mind a Catalina 27 fits your bill. If everything works out and you go the C27 route, you will undoubtedly acquire the worst of sailing diseases: “Two-Footitis”. “My ideal boat is just two feet bigger.” Hey, you should know, some people have taken c27’s around the world!
Nothing more fun than looking around to fall in love - with a sailboat!
Vernon in West Vancouver
Thank you, Vernon, for your comments. The Catalina 27 has a lot of good qualities, but a couple years ago I purchased a Cape Dory 25D. You can check it out in my later videos.
I have a 73 factory finished needs refit running 50 hp Perkins 3500 bucks
Thanks for the info, John! I wasn't aware of the factory tabernacle. I found a different boat a bit more suitable to my needs at present.
Bloody good deal whatever the condition👍 Sadly I'm currently negotiating final sale price (a bit more than 3.5) for a 7 year old steel Van De Stadt 34' with the taller fractional performance rig built to Lloyds register ocean going ice rated specifications. A little more bulletproof than the Westsail, and although not a fast boat with a 8/9 knot hull speed she'll leave a Westsail for dead😀😎
Too much work?
This boat would've needed to be ready to go to the ocean in short time. I didn't feel it was and it's too far away for much DIY work.
Try the Catalina 30.
Too much work I reckon
For me, at this moment, it was too much boat for several reasons.
That boat needs a lot of work and upgrading, and I wouldn’t offer more than 22K
Id run fast and find another boat!
offer no more than 1,200$ or tell the folks you will haul off for 200$ cash!
SAD.
I hate hank on sails
Need to work quat bit on this boat , it's overpriced, Only I would say no more than $ 19,000 dollars
That boat was a POS! And I would recommend only buying cash. The simple truth is as follows: you buy a old boat for $30,000 you will spend another $30,000 to get it right. That’s just the way it is.Get your self a Dana 24 and you will be better off.
This boat needs way too much work and money for the price..I want to sail not build a boat.
A boat you might like at first, but you will get weary of all the other boats skating by you , especially trying to claw upwind
Check out on CZcams= Captain Q ,Yacht Hunter I really enjoy his findings of sail boats that may or may not need a lot of TLC yet just right for the money.
Lazy people storing their boats like that with sails and sheets on.