I was a chatterbox by age 3, and reading by age 4. I wanted to know *everything. All of it.* Full sentences, full questions...in other words, I was comically annoying. Still am. *I regret nothing.* 💁🏿
Torbin was mind controlled and used by the more radical witches to start a fight. He blamed himself for that afterwards and was not much helped by his master's lack of warmth and compassion.
And if you look in the background during the ascension ritual, there are two hooded figures standing on each side of Mother Aniseya. They look similar to the witch-guards, but they don't have the bows or any sort of weaponry. Also, you can't see their faces even under the hood -- its all black. They do not participate in the ritual, they do no chants and they don't wave their hands around. They're just watching. And when the Jedi arrive, they look around and then disappear -- they do not follow the rest of the witches. I feel like the Sith were already there. Probably would explain how the twins came to be (some dark side experimenting with the Sith -- which would explain where Plagueis got it from). Once the Jedi learned of the immaculate conception, I feel they would be very reluctant to leave since they would believe one of the twins could be the chosen one from the prophecy.
I have a feeling a confrontation between the jedi and the witches caused this, and it was covered up by Indara to avoid political blowback of 'jedi erase witch colony'...which i'd love if it's not quite as simple as 'jedi bad', but 'jedi too eager, witches justifiably lash out, accident happens"
Don't forget, these are Force users who demonstrated Force push. The fortress couldn't have collapsed on everyone at once and none of them managed to shield themselves. They were all wide awake and in the middle of a discussion about Osha.
I bet the Jedi came to get Osha, and the witches weren’t having it. Torbin gets mind-controlled again, and a brawl breaks out. They need to kill the witches to release him. They get killed and it traumatizes Torbin forever, feeling responsible for the deaths.
I'm also willing to bet that the Sith were involved some way in the fire. The way that fire spread from just a tiny book to that whole fortress burning was nuts.
Seriously doubt that is what happened, it would be against jedi code. My bet is the witches internal conflict (between two mothers) finally came to a deadly conclusion. The jedi arrival and attempt to get kids was the fuel that ignited the final confrontation. One half of the witches probably poisoned the other part and attacked jedi. The jedi feel they are responsible but not for the self-defense against the evil half, but because they were reason of the conflict start and deaths of the good half that wanted peaceful resolution.
We don't have the whole story. You see Torbin @ 22:42 with the Scar on the left side of his face. Also, notice That Osha wakes to Warmth, Love, & Family(the Jedi), whereas Mae ends up in a Place of Loneliness, Hate, & Poison(the Bunta Tree).
The title was only one, not split like the others and I think that's because this is from Oshas pov. (Hence why we don't actually SEE Mae set the fire, it's only implied.) And I think that either the next episode or maybe the penultimate, we will see Mae's pov and why she hates these jedi so much
At least the entire Star Wars community can agree that Mae's little fire was NOT what killed the other Mothers. I love your positivity of the show. Thank you. The only problem I had was that for an only 8 episode show, you can't have an entire show dedicated to backstory that leaves several unanswered questions. That might call for more filler backstory, or a rushed present story.
A nice little detail about the Brendok moons/eclipse is that the blue and red outlines are the same ones on the Acolyte title, which is a cool attention to detail!
I love the Rashomon treatment. Slow drip mystery, confusing POV. Clearly this isnt the complete picture. Also, this is how you properly deconstruct a well loved concept like the Jedi. None of that "I had a nightmare vision of my nephew, so lm going to impulsively kill him in his sleep" nonesense (you know what im talking about😅 )
@@karl-niclasburner8451 It might. Especially if one is on the unimaginative side and have trouble with none linear storytelling. There's no way around that unfortunately
if this was well written coral would have used the weak minded padawan, giving a reason to show us he could be taken over by a stronger force user, to do the slaughter so she could have mae and osha to herself, mae starting the fire and them ending up in the reactor room was unplanned and how osha got taken by the jedi and coral got to continue training mae as her acolyte, that would give the jedi a reason to feel guilty because he did indeed have a hand in the death of the witches even if it was though mind control
This episode only focused on Osha's perspective wo i can guarantee at a later date we will see Sol's or more likely Mae's perspective. This episode also only has one title, Destiny, as opposed to the duel titles of EP 1 and 2. Definitely more to come in future episode(s).
I feel like both Mae and Osha were lied to in some way. I feel like not only did the Jedi lie and do something Terrible but I think the sith had a play in this and twisted the story to corrupt Mae
@parker.e In the First episode, Indara says something along the lines of "Jedi do not attacked unarmed opponents unprovoked" and Mae retorts with "yes, you do". I feel like that line is gonna be relevant when we see Mae/The Jedi's side of things. All I know is, the entire coven didn't die to that one fire (at least not directly) and the Fortress didn't take that much damage because of it either. Something to do with the Jedi is at play and I can't wait to find out.
24:40 Actually Bendu, you can see Torbin in the background in the med center of the Jedi's ship. At the 36 minute and 20 second mark on Disney+, you can see he has that scar over his left eye already, though we can't see if he still has the eye.
Same. I'll restream S01 couple weeks after S01 has ended. Good live act Star Wars with nice ear massage by talented composer & nice visuals + good cast 🙂
@@AirbenderHawk something tells me it will be tragic on both sides and Torbin is gonna be the one who is most psychologically destroyed. I don't think the Jedi or the Coven will be responsible for starting this. I think Koril will be the instigator and she will be the one to save Mae. We never saw her body.
@@quiden75 I think that one too as well, I am looking forward to next week's episode from Mae's perspective/Jedi's in order to get the full truth out visually.
I mean I guess but before it started I was hoping we'd see Sith, the High Republic... not another show about witches, we just got Ahsoka. And these witches are much lamer.
I think the "who gets to use power" question is inherently a facet of the dark side and we see that with them encouraging lying and deceit under the guise of family and staying with those you love. I think it's an interesting way to have some characters sound like they are giving a "new" understanding of the force, while still very much still showing Mae's urge to control and attachment versus Osha's desire for truth and authenticity.
also I think they did a good job of contrasting "the Jedi kidnap children" idea with Sol's treatment of the girls. He represents the Yoda/Qui Gon version of the ideals of the Jedi and is obviously not trying to kidnap but to discern their calling and be a guide.
@@greenmonk Sol is my favorite Jedi so far because of his ideals but it makes me nervous that we are going to find out something bad about him later on lol.
I think Torbin got possessed again and was used to slay the coven, as a means to paint the Jedi as baddies. That is why Mae thinks Jedis attack and why he was seeking forgiveness.
In the first episode when Osha and Mae crossed paths as children Mae's eyes went dark like torbins did. I believe one of the mothers controlled Mae into causing the fire, and when the smoke cleared one mother survived to tell Mae it was the jedi's doing. Still got plenty of episodes, but that's my theory for now.
Thank GOD I could come here for some positivity and see a couple of people actually finding cool stuff going on in the show. THANK YOU KYLE AND BENDU!! At least here I know I will always find someone who appreciates getting new SW content. No, the show isn't flawless; no show ever can be. But you guys always find something to celebrate and I am here for it.
Anakin was created BY the Will of the Force due to Sidious and Plageuis’s actions. Mae and Osha were created WITH the force. Like the Nightwitches, Mother Aniseya manipulated the force to create the twins (with her genetics) and placed them into Mother Koril’s womb, her lover, who carried them. But it seems the girls have a motherly bond with Aniseya and none with Koril. They still call Koril “Mother Koril” which is a title. But they call Aniseya “mama.” Must hurt like hell for Koril.
I mean I think people are also forgetting that this is a sci-fi show. They have science so it is just as easy to explain without the force as in it was Aniseya's egg and Koril was a surrogate because Aniseya couldn't or wouldn't carry them for one reason or another. Of course the force could be involved but a simple explanation is also possible.
I'll take back my previous statement though. I just rewatched that scene and Koril asks what the Jedi would think if they found out how the twins were created which implies it wasn't science at all but some force thing that the Jedi would see as unnatural or bad. Science would be the easiest explanation though
I definitely think there was more to it than we saw. I think there must’ve been a fight, as Torbin’s got the bloody scar on his face at the end when they’re back on the ship.
I think the Sith (apprentice I think) may have played a part in both getting the coven exiled, and in causing their death during another tense confrontation with the Jedi who came to collect Osha. He could have also been teaching Mai in secret and knew what was happening so he sabotaged the power generator.
I have always loved your reactions and am so glad to see you enjoying and being enthusiastic about The Acolyte! You guys are on the level! Keep em coming!
Thank you for giving this episode a chance. It may not be perfect, but it is not as bad as some reactors are saying. Though they don't say it, I think this definitely deals with a dyad, and also creating life through the Force. If the Sith are involved, I think we can now see THEIR interest in this coven and the twins. If the Jedi knew, the Sith probably knew as well, and it would not have taken much to provoke the witches and Jedi to fight. If Plagueis is alive during this time, and involved in the Sith already, he would definitely want a look at Osha and Mae. I'm sure he would love to have either on his dissection table.
it could be as bad as some are saying, unless it turns out to be a turkey baster the one mother used to make the children it 100 breaks any cannon of a chosen ONE made by the force, even if they want to call it a thread
It's easily the worst thing to ever come from Star Wars that's for sure, worse than TLJ and ROS by a mile. The show is a complete joke, written by actual monkeys slapping a keyboard.
@@Lilac-and-GooseberriesI also had this crazy feeling of what if Torbin is actually still under the Mothers spell somehow and he attacks kelnaca and others first and kelnaca is just reacting in that trailer shot ? Ahhh just loving this mystery 😅❤
I loved this episode. I am so curious to learn more about what really happened that night. I loved the scenes with Sol and Osha. But you can also totally see how from her family's pov the jedi are these evil people trying to manipulate an 8 year old little girl into never seeing her family again, so I cant really blame Koril for not supporting that. So interesting. One thing i noticed on rewatch is the scene where they are in the training room they hear a noise off screen and they go to the door and look into the room with the power core thing and there is nothing there. I wonder if the Jedi tampered with it covertly
The Path Of The Open Hand are a Force Cult from the earliest part of the High Republic Era. They believe that anyone who uses the Force is damaging the fabric of the galaxy. They become more and more militant over time and their leaders, “The Mother” and “The Herald” (the latter of which is a Nautolan with his head tendrils sliced off) gain access to something INSANELY lethal to Force Users and that leads to a battle on their homeworld that gets so brutal & costly that the Jedi Council bury and downplay it for years afterwards. The events the Path set in motion have such massive ramifications for the Order that there’s a line in the Chosen Prophecy that Dooku & Qui-Gon both read talking about it. There are off-shoot cults of the Path in the books and the Witches in the Acolyte share some symbolism with them.
From wookiepedia: “The Path of the Open Hand was an extremist cult whose fundamental belief was that no one with Force-sensitivity should use or manipulate the Force. They believed doing so abused and hurt the Force, disrupting the balance of the galaxy itself. Furthermore, the Path believed that the Force would always seek to balance itself: in their opinion, if one used the Force to save lives, at least that many lives would be taken away somewhere else in the galaxy. In effect, any use of the Force would create unforeseen consequences. These beliefs developed into inherent resentment and antagonism towards the philosophically opposite Jedi Order, the most prominent group in the galaxy that used the Force. They believed that the Jedi were the source of much of the misfortune and peril in the galaxy because they thought they used the Force constantly, selfishly, and with abandon and brought it out of balance. Another critical part of this belief was that no one should have access to Force artifacts and weapons or use thier powers. Because of this they had a subgroup called the Children that "liberated" or stole these items to be held by the Path for safekeeping.”
I think the witch did something incredibly dark to Torben. Planted a hallucination in to his mind that made him believe he did something incredibly bad? He was a padawan so it wouldn’t of been difficult. I love the different views on the force. It’s always been seen as a religious belief so like Christianity, Judaism and Catholic. All 3 worship the same god, all 3 worship said god differently. I also like that the Jedi just didn’t turn up and kidnap that force sensitive. They asked permission where in other media they are perceived as just turning up and taking anyone they want.
My stars - are they ever annoying! All the eye rolling, just short of much gnashing of teeth and rending of clothing. 😡🤬😤Mouth noises about how this has 'ruined their childhoods'. Dudes, you're in your freakin' 40's. It's *entertainment.* I fully understand not liking something, but damn, y'all. 🤣 Sorry, but as annoying as they can be, I gotta laugh. Life is too short to pass up humor in so many things.
I agree too I am so tired that if they are gonna critisize wait until the series is over. SW theory though critisizes in another way but its equally annoying, because he cannot accept SW is not exact EU Legends.
I hear you, and those people losing their minds are ridiculous. But, that said, disappointment with bad writing and directing is not toxic. If anything, it's our responsibility as fans to call it out. And let's be honest... some rough points in this one.
I'm betting the reason the fire spread so quickly was because Mae was feeding it with the dark side. She's definitely got a lot of anger, if not fear and hate, in that scene. I also don't think the fire alone was what killed the rest of the coven. My guess is that tensions were high when the Jedi showed up to collect Osha and the sudden outbreak of the fire probably escalated the situation.
My theory is that our mysterious sith-coded character is behind three things: He's the reason that the fire spread inexplicably. He's somehow responsible for the death of the witches. He's the reason that Mae survived.
And Mae was already a perfect student for a Sith as kid. She has no problem using violence, she is absolute, and she is quick to anger. It would make sense that if the Jedi found out about Osha and Mae, that a Sith would know too.
I think it's really telling of the Jedi way of seeing things that we see Sol, arguably the one who embodies the ideals of the Jedi the best in the show, say, "the Jedi saw how special I was." Despite his idealism and humility, Sol still sees himself, and by extension the Jedi, as something more than others
My theory is that the Zabrak mother confronted the Jedi coming to collect Ohsa and Mae, even though Ohsa was the only one who wanted to go with the Jedi, and it escalated from there while the fire spread.
The coven is not innocent in this, they kept pushing the life they wanted for the girls onto Osha, who clearly had reservations about it. I think the Jedi picked up on this and went to the Witches to ensure they didn't unduly influence Osha. A tense situation is exacerbated by the fire and things spiral out of control.
22:41 It's out of focus but it does appear that Torbin's face is scarred through his eye. In one of the trailers or TV spots we see Kelnacca attack him, so something goes down between the Jedi; a philosophical or ethical disagreement, or mind control or something. Which seems consistent with Mae's sudden murderous-psychopathic-heel-turn, it's gotta be mind control or something. I'm excited to see this flashback again, from a different... point of view...
Man Thanks for You and Bendu for always being Kind and Awesome! I swear to Tom Cruise 🤣 It's cool to see fellow amigos be Kind and not cry about everything! Stay awesome 🤘
There’s more to the incident indeed as this is just from one perspective. Mae and Osha’s creation calls back to Anakin but how though is yet to be discovered.
Yeah, those people didn't die in no fire. We only saw what Osha knew about, but there's a lot more to be revealed. I think it's very much a Rashomon situation, and the Jedi will be portrayed in a much better light when we see things from their perspective.
This episode was amazing, so enjoyable - great visuals and worldbuilding, interesting deepening of the mystery and great acting, particularly liked Osha's actor. Lovvvvve witches in Star Wars and its interesting to see a new strain of them!
Total shot in the dark: the Jedi had orders to investigate the coven and shut it down if need be. Indara, who gives off kind of hard-ass vibes, has a particular, extreme idea about how to handle them, which Torbin goes along with because he was her padawan. Sol likely objects to this course of action, and rushes to the fortress to stop them, which is why he’s there already when the place is coming down around their ears. Sol’s probably keeping that Indara and Torbin was responsible for the reactor sabotage. Still, I wonder if something beyond the Jedi is at play with the deaths of the coven. We didn’t get that good a look, but they seemed suspiciously lacking in physical injuries. Sure, there was a lot of rubble around them, but it didn’t look like enough to kill them all.
I love that they found an actual pair of twins to play young Osha and Mae. They look so alike, I thought it was one girl playing both parts until I saw two names in the credits
They are definitely hiding something extra between Mae lighting the book and everything after. He's out of focus, but when Osha is waking up, Torbin has fresh scars - whatever we aren't being told is the big thing. I really appreciated we kind of had two potentially problematic cults who are also kind of the good guys of their own stories and watching the tense war of words between Master Indara and Mother Anasaya. A lot of questions out of this episode, that I hope they use to full effect and don't let it go to waste.
I find this episode raises a lot of questions and for some maybe too much change without answers like “the thread” involvement in relation to the force will divide opinion. One things for sure the more that is revealed about the Jedis the better this series gets. Can’t wait for the sweet spot episode 5
Given there's more than likely going to be another version of this flashback from at least Mae's POV, I wonder if PhilosophyTube is going to be back for the other version.
The reason why none of it makes sense and happens off screen is because this entire episode is from Osha's perspective. I imagine we will see things from Mae's perspective later and maybe even from the point of view of the Jedi.
Mother Koril is Maes master. She's not among the dead. She probably poisoned the coven w bunta. She hates the Jedi and wanted to throw down but was over ruled
You know I think once we get to another flashback in the Jedi’s pov will get the full picture, and honestly the episode isn’t that bad honestly. Like I tried to give Secret Invasion a chance but once Maria Hill died I dropped the show I don’t see any of that here.
Something I noticed with Mae is that it seems she's not quite there in the moment when she has her more angry and darker moments, like when she was holding the bug creature at the start and the very abrupt death threat against Osha. Almost as if something has a hold or sway over her thoughts and actions. It's also nice to see guys like you using your critical thinking abilities and having patience and understanding to have a civil conversation about this show as opposed to people like StarWars Theory or other blue checkmarked drama content farmers on Twitter have childish meltdown number 27 about how Star Wars is dead and it's Disney's fault and they're done with Star Wars knowing damn well they aren't. So I say thank you Kyle and Bendu for having common sense, curtesy, and civility.
My thoughts on this is that things were already tense between the Coven and the Jedi so when the fire broke out, the Coven, having no idea it was Mae, thought it was the Jedi who started it when they came for Osha (and Mae as well). One of them made the first move and a fight broke out. Since this is from Osha's perspective, she believes Mae was the one who started the fire and it killed everyone. Maybe later on, we will see from Mae's perspective of what happened and thinks that the Jedi was responsible since she had already decided to not trust them. Which is explains why she is out for revenge towards them and thinks Osha was dead. She was already "ripe" for the dark side since she already showed a tendency towards using violence even at a young age. She's quick to anger and is absolute. A perfect student for that mysterious teacher.
Same. This would better explains Torbin’s line before he drank the poison “We thought we were doing the right thing.” I seriously doubt he was talking about taking Osha away.
"This isn't about good or bad. This is about power and who is allowed to use it." Best line in this episode to me. I hope we can get more backstory on this Era and why the Jedi are allowed to decide who wields the Force. I'm guessing the Zabrak started a fight when the Jedi showed up and things got out of control.
Honestly, I felt that both the Coven and The Jedi did good and bad things. Wanting to control or not "allow" things is bad. Letting people make their own choices is good. To me it is about good and bad.
I think for now they are only showing us the incident from Osha's perspective, no doubt we'll revisit this scene in due course. "Smilo Ren"...love it 😂
@@praedonius9693 So why are you even here if you are just being negative about the show? Don't watch it if you don't like it and let those who do enjoy it in peace.
This episode felt the most High Republic out of the previous ones. I loved seeing other cultures use the force besides the Sith and Jedi. It reminded me a lot of the Path of the Open Hand.
Thank you Kyle and Bendu for being so positive and hyped for this show, it’s very rare to find as you guys probably know. May the force be with you both ❤❤
19:39 I don't know - that was a very non-committal way of saying maybe. I think she's just trying to placate Osha here, and doesn't plan on letting her go at all. Like, "We considered your request and wish we could honour it. We're very sorry, but you have to stay after all"
This was mostly from Osha's perspective. Ya, the Jedi stepped outside of their jurisdiction, and the witches understood their own vulnerability in this situation. My initial theories are that someone dark amongst them, and if not that, possibly predating on the coven but not actually being one of them. We need to know how Jedi discovered them, and why Osha was already drawing Jedi related stuff. This all seems setup in some sort of way.
just like in any crime thriller, we'll absolutely be getting the different points of view of what happened here Next, we may see Mae's and then Torbin's or vice versa; and maybe even Indara's We still don't know what brought about the Jedi's guilt so this "onion" has a long way to go before all of its layers are shed I know this spices up the lore at many angles but I love it Anakin's birth circumstances came along long before him, in TWINS no less so this is huge The only thing that makes me uneasy is HOW the girls were conceived; that may what will be revealed in the next one or two episodes I think next week is when the Jedi are being hunted by the Stranger and according to the tv spots, Osha will be approached by this guy so I worry for her
This show has been weird for me, the first two episodes I didn’t hate but I also wasn’t amazed by. They were just meh, which is a terrible feeling watching new Star Wars content. That said this episode felt like a step up Sol has been consistently the best part of this series, and continues to shine. I liked Osha in episodes 1 and 2 but May didn’t feel like a real person in those first two. Not sure if it was the writing which has struggled so far or if the actress is just better at playing heros over villains. I’ve seen her in other stuff and she’s been good. That said the actress playing child may in episode 3 was way more convincing. I think adult May struggles for me because they want her to be sympathetic, but kid May is straight evil. Sometimes characters don’t need to be grey. Pure evil can be compelling.
WHOO!!!! This entire episode definitely gives me SWTOR vibes on Arcaan and Thexan with force twins being polar opposite of the light and the dark sides. I am looking forward to Mae's and the Jedi's perspective in the following episode. That'll tell us everything we need to know on Brandok incident.
When Mae is looking at the fire before she burns the book and starts the fire. It looks like she’s in a trance. I wonder if she even knows what’s she’s doing. She could believe that the Jedi mind tricked her and that’s what caused her to act out. She’s definitely not herself.
I think Mae's master might be Darth Plagueis. We know that by 32 BBY he had died so he should be alive at this point during 132 BBY. Not to mention the series takes place 48 years before Sidious was born. Who's to say Sidious was Plagueis only student?
I know this one has the fandom menace folks saying that it would piss literally everybody off but I honestly don't know what I'm supposed to be mad at canon-wise. Everything here's either borrowed from the clone wars or from the EU. Very weird dialogue/directing choices though.
They got mad when disney "said it's canon yet" then they get mad when they add stuff back in slowly but surely. For ef Sake Nar Shadda is back which got me excited. That could mean Kyle Katarn can come back eventually.
@darkpro0031 how does it do that? The twins were born using some kind of dark magic. Anakin was born without any action from anyone. And yes before you bring up Plagueis and Sidious remember that book isn't canon (as much as I love it). The comics also reference Sidious involved in Anakin's creation but the author confirmed that wasn't his intention.
@@darkpro0031 NO it doesn't. I feel like star wars watchers forget that the chosen one prophecy is a separate saga than anything else in star wars. don't let your hate consume you. learn from the lessons star wars teaches you.
And Lucas very specifically states in The Star Wars Archive interviews that the Whills, which Lucas says feed on the energy of the Cosmic Force, created Anakin as a means to stop the growing presence of the Dark Side from “souring the milk”. Sidious could just assume that it was Plagueis who created Anakin through the technique Mae taught her Sith master (? Just my theory at the moment, but the implications are there), which is all stuff Filoni, who now oversees everything, including this show, would be aware of. People whining about this rewriting canon are not thinking clearly and are reacting to either false assumptions or head canon.
Wow. That was heavy. Mae was an issue from the jump. More like her pointy headed mom. Osha is more like mom with all the braids. We need to know *how* these kids came to being. How the fire accelerated to that extent. How Mae survived, and who rescued her. I need to know about these *WITCHES!* I am so liking this show. I'm ready for more. Heck yeah!
Until we get confirmation of what they're canonically called, I'm calling them the Coven of the Thread or just the Thread Coven. The hint that the Sith learn how to create life through the Force through midi-chlorian manipulation through Mae once she's given the Coven's knowledge is something I thought was really cool. I don't get the hatred and teeth-gnashing about "ruining George Lucas's vision of the Force" whinging at all.
I have a feeling there is 5 sides to this story. Osha’s side, Mae’s side, the Jedis, the withches and a sith. I have a feeling a sith killed the witches for letting the twins be separated. Or the sith is playing mind games with all parties.
Mae did start the fire. However, she didn't start all of that. How did all of those witches die? Fire didn't cause ceilings to fall etc. What the Hell really happened? Osha was taken by the Jedi. Mae was left behind but who saved her? What the Hell really happened? What did the Jedi do? Sol is still innocent in this (I can not think of him badly). However, Master Torbin...What did you do? I love this show. I love the mystery going on here.
“at 4 I couldn’t shut up” definitely would have said yes to a jedi then 😂
I was a chatterbox by age 3, and reading by age 4. I wanted to know *everything. All of it.* Full sentences, full questions...in other words, I was comically annoying. Still am.
*I regret nothing.*
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@@jackiec859 another one lost to the jedi 😆
My two year old twins are already chatting away in full sentence in 2 languages. They could definitely say the words at 4.
@@user-ye3qn8bj9c that explains why there were so many Jedi 😂
"Double really" made me spit my drink out laughing 😂👌🏻
Torbin was mind controlled and used by the more radical witches to start a fight. He blamed himself for that afterwards and was not much helped by his master's lack of warmth and compassion.
If you look in the background after the fire in the ship you can see that Torbin now has scarring on his eye
This is a very important detail a lot of people missed.
Yeah I noticed that immediately. Guess people are too focused on LeSbIAnS, and StAr WaRs iS dEaD.
And if you look in the background during the ascension ritual, there are two hooded figures standing on each side of Mother Aniseya. They look similar to the witch-guards, but they don't have the bows or any sort of weaponry. Also, you can't see their faces even under the hood -- its all black. They do not participate in the ritual, they do no chants and they don't wave their hands around. They're just watching. And when the Jedi arrive, they look around and then disappear -- they do not follow the rest of the witches.
I feel like the Sith were already there. Probably would explain how the twins came to be (some dark side experimenting with the Sith -- which would explain where Plagueis got it from).
Once the Jedi learned of the immaculate conception, I feel they would be very reluctant to leave since they would believe one of the twins could be the chosen one from the prophecy.
@@JayL-perfect important detail! I love you guys tell this
@@JayL- I have to rewatch this. Great observation.
Sol: The Jedi dont take children
Qui-Gon: yeah, sometimes you have to pay for em
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“Republic Credits will do fine”
@@BillMoss97 no dey won't
I don't think he paid for Anakin. I'm pretty sure he won him in a bet. Which is probably even worse.
@@bemasaberwyn55 “Credits WILL do fine 👋🏼”
I have a feeling a confrontation between the jedi and the witches caused this, and it was covered up by Indara to avoid political blowback of 'jedi erase witch colony'...which i'd love if it's not quite as simple as 'jedi bad', but 'jedi too eager, witches justifiably lash out, accident happens"
I think the Sith played a part in the witches either being exiled or in taking up arms against the Jedi
Don't forget, these are Force users who demonstrated Force push. The fortress couldn't have collapsed on everyone at once and none of them managed to shield themselves. They were all wide awake and in the middle of a discussion about Osha.
I bet the Jedi came to get Osha, and the witches weren’t having it.
Torbin gets mind-controlled again, and a brawl breaks out. They need to kill the witches to release him. They get killed and it traumatizes Torbin forever, feeling responsible for the deaths.
That's a solid theory.
I think it could also have been the sith
I'm also willing to bet that the Sith were involved some way in the fire. The way that fire spread from just a tiny book to that whole fortress burning was nuts.
Seriously doubt that is what happened, it would be against jedi code. My bet is the witches internal conflict (between two mothers) finally came to a deadly conclusion. The jedi arrival and attempt to get kids was the fuel that ignited the final confrontation. One half of the witches probably poisoned the other part and attacked jedi. The jedi feel they are responsible but not for the self-defense against the evil half, but because they were reason of the conflict start and deaths of the good half that wanted peaceful resolution.
I betting the witches might’ve even had some infighting with the Jedi thrown in
Mae really took the "promise of protecting the coven secrets to the grave" literally huh?
We don't have the whole story. You see Torbin @ 22:42 with the Scar on the left side of his face. Also, notice That Osha wakes to Warmth, Love, & Family(the Jedi), whereas Mae ends up in a Place of Loneliness, Hate, & Poison(the Bunta Tree).
The title was only one, not split like the others and I think that's because this is from Oshas pov. (Hence why we don't actually SEE Mae set the fire, it's only implied.) And I think that either the next episode or maybe the penultimate, we will see Mae's pov and why she hates these jedi so much
At least the entire Star Wars community can agree that Mae's little fire was NOT what killed the other Mothers.
I love your positivity of the show. Thank you. The only problem I had was that for an only 8 episode show, you can't have an entire show dedicated to backstory that leaves several unanswered questions. That might call for more filler backstory, or a rushed present story.
A nice little detail about the Brendok moons/eclipse is that the blue and red outlines are the same ones on the Acolyte title, which is a cool attention to detail!
Oh nice, someone else noticed it!
I love the Rashomon treatment. Slow drip mystery, confusing POV. Clearly this isnt the complete picture. Also, this is how you properly deconstruct a well loved concept like the Jedi. None of that "I had a nightmare vision of my nephew, so lm going to impulsively kill him in his sleep" nonesense (you know what im talking about😅 )
I wonder if that confusing POV doesn´t just comes across as bad writing and editing.
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@@karl-niclasburner8451 It might. Especially if one is on the unimaginative side and have trouble with none linear storytelling. There's no way around that unfortunately
I’ll wager that Mother Coral had something to do with killing everyone
I heard screams and a blast thru the grate in the ceiling. What the hell happened?!
See, I think that it was Mae. She was so angry that Osha was leaving that she just snapped.
i think Mae was mind controlled mainly i remember the trailer showing a child with the black eyes.
@@jodyharrison6186 You're crazy if you think they'll blame anything on the twins...
if this was well written coral would have used the weak minded padawan, giving a reason to show us he could be taken over by a stronger force user, to do the slaughter so she could have mae and osha to herself, mae starting the fire and them ending up in the reactor room was unplanned and how osha got taken by the jedi and coral got to continue training mae as her acolyte, that would give the jedi a reason to feel guilty because he did indeed have a hand in the death of the witches even if it was though mind control
This episode only focused on Osha's perspective wo i can guarantee at a later date we will see Sol's or more likely Mae's perspective.
This episode also only has one title, Destiny, as opposed to the duel titles of EP 1 and 2. Definitely more to come in future episode(s).
I feel like both Mae and Osha were lied to in some way. I feel like not only did the Jedi lie and do something Terrible but I think the sith had a play in this and twisted the story to corrupt Mae
@parker.e In the First episode, Indara says something along the lines of "Jedi do not attacked unarmed opponents unprovoked" and Mae retorts with "yes, you do".
I feel like that line is gonna be relevant when we see Mae/The Jedi's side of things.
All I know is, the entire coven didn't die to that one fire (at least not directly) and the Fortress didn't take that much damage because of it either. Something to do with the Jedi is at play and I can't wait to find out.
22:55 Torbin was shown already in the background seconds earlier. He is out of focus, but you can see his face is fucked up.
He went full Torbius against Kelnacca, and said "It's Torbin Time!"
24:40 Actually Bendu, you can see Torbin in the background in the med center of the Jedi's ship. At the 36 minute and 20 second mark on Disney+, you can see he has that scar over his left eye already, though we can't see if he still has the eye.
Is this series perfect? No. Am I 100% interested in wanting to know more and satisfied with what we've gotten so far? Yes.
Couldn't have said it better
Deluding yourself into liking it cause its suppose to be Star wars not this shit
@conorcrawford8311 We get it, you hate star wars, now shut up and just let people enjoy things.
@conorcrawford8311 okay then big brain, give us some valid criticism and WHY you feel that way instead of just claiming it's shit and leaving
Can't wait to see Mae and the Jedi's flashbacks to get the complete story.
Same. I'll restream S01 couple weeks after S01 has ended. Good live act Star Wars with nice ear massage by talented composer & nice visuals + good cast 🙂
Same man, it'll tell us everything needed to know why the Brandok incident made them feel all guilty.
@@AirbenderHawk something tells me it will be tragic on both sides and Torbin is gonna be the one who is most psychologically destroyed. I don't think the Jedi or the Coven will be responsible for starting this. I think Koril will be the instigator and she will be the one to save Mae. We never saw her body.
@@quiden75 I think that one too as well, I am looking forward to next week's episode from Mae's perspective/Jedi's in order to get the full truth out visually.
I mean I guess but before it started I was hoping we'd see Sith, the High Republic... not another show about witches, we just got Ahsoka. And these witches are much lamer.
I think the "who gets to use power" question is inherently a facet of the dark side and we see that with them encouraging lying and deceit under the guise of family and staying with those you love. I think it's an interesting way to have some characters sound like they are giving a "new" understanding of the force, while still very much still showing Mae's urge to control and attachment versus Osha's desire for truth and authenticity.
also I think they did a good job of contrasting "the Jedi kidnap children" idea with Sol's treatment of the girls. He represents the Yoda/Qui Gon version of the ideals of the Jedi and is obviously not trying to kidnap but to discern their calling and be a guide.
@@greenmonk Sol is my favorite Jedi so far because of his ideals but it makes me nervous that we are going to find out something bad about him later on lol.
Many thanks to Kyle, Bendu and Nerd Chronic! 🌑 I imagine we'll eventually see two additional flashbacks from other perspectives.
I think Torbin got possessed again and was used to slay the coven, as a means to paint the Jedi as baddies. That is why Mae thinks Jedis attack and why he was seeking forgiveness.
Interesting theory!
I think it’s Kelnacca.
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries you think Kelnacca gets possessed?
@@quiden75 Yes, you see him fighting both Sol and Torbin in the trailer.
In the first episode when Osha and Mae crossed paths as children Mae's eyes went dark like torbins did. I believe one of the mothers controlled Mae into causing the fire, and when the smoke cleared one mother survived to tell Mae it was the jedi's doing. Still got plenty of episodes, but that's my theory for now.
Thank GOD I could come here for some positivity and see a couple of people actually finding cool stuff going on in the show. THANK YOU KYLE AND BENDU!! At least here I know I will always find someone who appreciates getting new SW content. No, the show isn't flawless; no show ever can be. But you guys always find something to celebrate and I am here for it.
Were all the adults dead, Mother Cora ran out of the room with Mae, then Mae showed up in their bedroom alone.
Anakin was created BY the Will of the Force due to Sidious and Plageuis’s actions.
Mae and Osha were created WITH the force. Like the Nightwitches, Mother Aniseya manipulated the force to create the twins (with her genetics) and placed them into Mother Koril’s womb, her lover, who carried them.
But it seems the girls have a motherly bond with Aniseya and none with Koril. They still call Koril “Mother Koril” which is a title. But they call Aniseya “mama.” Must hurt like hell for Koril.
I mean I think people are also forgetting that this is a sci-fi show. They have science so it is just as easy to explain without the force as in it was Aniseya's egg and Koril was a surrogate because Aniseya couldn't or wouldn't carry them for one reason or another. Of course the force could be involved but a simple explanation is also possible.
I'll take back my previous statement though. I just rewatched that scene and Koril asks what the Jedi would think if they found out how the twins were created which implies it wasn't science at all but some force thing that the Jedi would see as unnatural or bad.
Science would be the easiest explanation though
Interesting take. It could explain why Koril is so grumpy all the time.
I definitely think there was more to it than we saw. I think there must’ve been a fight, as Torbin’s got the bloody scar on his face at the end when they’re back on the ship.
We're totally getting Rashomon-ed here. It's the only reason to give us this flashback this early in the season.
This entire episode is mainly Osha's POV. So im guessing we will get the full story once we get both Mae and The Jedi's POV
Mae failed on purpose, so Sol changed tactics with Osha to catch it
I think the Sith (apprentice I think) may have played a part in both getting the coven exiled, and in causing their death during another tense confrontation with the Jedi who came to collect Osha. He could have also been teaching Mai in secret and knew what was happening so he sabotaged the power generator.
I have always loved your reactions and am so glad to see you enjoying and being enthusiastic about The Acolyte! You guys are on the level! Keep em coming!
Thank you for giving this episode a chance. It may not be perfect, but it is not as bad as some reactors are saying. Though they don't say it, I think this definitely deals with a dyad, and also creating life through the Force. If the Sith are involved, I think we can now see THEIR interest in this coven and the twins. If the Jedi knew, the Sith probably knew as well, and it would not have taken much to provoke the witches and Jedi to fight. If Plagueis is alive during this time, and involved in the Sith already, he would definitely want a look at Osha and Mae. I'm sure he would love to have either on his dissection table.
it could be as bad as some are saying, unless it turns out to be a turkey baster the one mother used to make the children it 100 breaks any cannon of a chosen ONE made by the force, even if they want to call it a thread
It's easily the worst thing to ever come from Star Wars that's for sure, worse than TLJ and ROS by a mile. The show is a complete joke, written by actual monkeys slapping a keyboard.
Yeah Coril definitely attacked the Jedi, the Jedi retaliated and it turned into a shitshow. Torbin was probably a catalyst for the destruction.
I think they turn Kelnacca against them with magick. You see him fight both Sol and Torbin in the trailers.
@@Lilac-and-GooseberriesI also had this crazy feeling of what if Torbin is actually still under the Mothers spell somehow and he attacks kelnaca and others first and kelnaca is just reacting in that trailer shot ? Ahhh just loving this mystery 😅❤
“Smilo Ren” cracks me up every time. Abeloth? More like able goth, amirite?
I loved this episode. I am so curious to learn more about what really happened that night. I loved the scenes with Sol and Osha. But you can also totally see how from her family's pov the jedi are these evil people trying to manipulate an 8 year old little girl into never seeing her family again, so I cant really blame Koril for not supporting that. So interesting. One thing i noticed on rewatch is the scene where they are in the training room they hear a noise off screen and they go to the door and look into the room with the power core thing and there is nothing there. I wonder if the Jedi tampered with it covertly
I think Mae and Osha both think the other set fire to the temple
So i figure you guys would know this but what is the Path of the Open Hand? Ive seen people talk about this when the stuffed animals are shown.
The Path Of The Open Hand are a Force Cult from the earliest part of the High Republic Era.
They believe that anyone who uses the Force is damaging the fabric of the galaxy. They become more and more militant over time and their leaders, “The Mother” and “The Herald” (the latter of which is a Nautolan with his head tendrils sliced off) gain access to something INSANELY lethal to Force Users and that leads to a battle on their homeworld that gets so brutal & costly that the Jedi Council bury and downplay it for years afterwards.
The events the Path set in motion have such massive ramifications for the Order that there’s a line in the Chosen Prophecy that Dooku & Qui-Gon both read talking about it.
There are off-shoot cults of the Path in the books and the Witches in the Acolyte share some symbolism with them.
From wookiepedia:
“The Path of the Open Hand was an extremist cult whose fundamental belief was that no one with Force-sensitivity should use or manipulate the Force. They believed doing so abused and hurt the Force, disrupting the balance of the galaxy itself. Furthermore, the Path believed that the Force would always seek to balance itself: in their opinion, if one used the Force to save lives, at least that many lives would be taken away somewhere else in the galaxy. In effect, any use of the Force would create unforeseen consequences. These beliefs developed into inherent resentment and antagonism towards the philosophically opposite Jedi Order, the most prominent group in the galaxy that used the Force. They believed that the Jedi were the source of much of the misfortune and peril in the galaxy because they thought they used the Force constantly, selfishly, and with abandon and brought it out of balance. Another critical part of this belief was that no one should have access to Force artifacts and weapons or use thier powers. Because of this they had a subgroup called the Children that "liberated" or stole these items to be held by the Path for safekeeping.”
I'm gonna say we saw part b & d and we're missing a & c.
Part a will be when Korol leads Mae away, from Mae's POV
So much awesome stuff to unpack from this episode. So many antecedents and connections to the rest of the saga.
I think the witch did something incredibly dark to Torben. Planted a hallucination in to his mind that made him believe he did something incredibly bad? He was a padawan so it wouldn’t of been difficult.
I love the different views on the force. It’s always been seen as a religious belief so like Christianity, Judaism and Catholic. All 3 worship the same god, all 3 worship said god differently.
I also like that the Jedi just didn’t turn up and kidnap that force sensitive. They asked permission where in other media they are perceived as just turning up and taking anyone they want.
I appreciate yall not spewing hate for this episode like other reactors on youtube who claim to be "Star Wars Experts"
I agree and that's why I enjoy their content the most
@@braddollahitealso concur.
Kyle & The Bendu are Thee Very Best!
Not liking an episode and voicing valid criticism isn't "hate"
My stars - are they ever annoying! All the eye rolling, just short of much gnashing of teeth and rending of clothing. 😡🤬😤Mouth noises about how this has 'ruined their childhoods'. Dudes, you're in your freakin' 40's. It's *entertainment.* I fully understand not liking something, but damn, y'all. 🤣
Sorry, but as annoying as they can be, I gotta laugh. Life is too short to pass up humor in so many things.
I agree too I am so tired that if they are gonna critisize wait until the series is over. SW theory though critisizes in another way but its equally annoying, because he cannot accept SW is not exact EU Legends.
Thanks for another great video. Thanks for being a non toxic star wars fandom we all can enjoy.
I hear you, and those people losing their minds are ridiculous. But, that said, disappointment with bad writing and directing is not toxic. If anything, it's our responsibility as fans to call it out. And let's be honest... some rough points in this one.
I'm betting the reason the fire spread so quickly was because Mae was feeding it with the dark side. She's definitely got a lot of anger, if not fear and hate, in that scene.
I also don't think the fire alone was what killed the rest of the coven. My guess is that tensions were high when the Jedi showed up to collect Osha and the sudden outbreak of the fire probably escalated the situation.
The fire spread quickly because by then they don't have OSHA anymore.
I'll see myself out.
Fire spreads on literal rock because dARk SiDe. 😂
My theory is that our mysterious sith-coded character is behind three things: He's the reason that the fire spread inexplicably. He's somehow responsible for the death of the witches. He's the reason that Mae survived.
And Mae was already a perfect student for a Sith as kid. She has no problem using violence, she is absolute, and she is quick to anger. It would make sense that if the Jedi found out about Osha and Mae, that a Sith would know too.
Just realized Tommen Baratheon became a Star Wars Padawan/Jedi... ❤🔥
I have been looking forward for this
My wokeness has doubled since the last time we met.
Twice the pride, double the fall.
@@Lazzah101 youre hilarious and so original
@@michaelrodger I know right
21:21 👩🚒👩🚒👩🚒🚒🔥🔥🔥 Reaction was superb. This is why we need Imperial Building Codes and Fire & Safety Standards. 🤣😆
I think it's really telling of the Jedi way of seeing things that we see Sol, arguably the one who embodies the ideals of the Jedi the best in the show, say, "the Jedi saw how special I was." Despite his idealism and humility, Sol still sees himself, and by extension the Jedi, as something more than others
My theory is that the Zabrak mother confronted the Jedi coming to collect Ohsa and Mae, even though Ohsa was the only one who wanted to go with the Jedi, and it escalated from there while the fire spread.
i think mae as well as osha was under the impression that her sister died in the fire (mae's reaction in the episode before shows it imo)
I think Mae was mind controlled. We saw with Torbin that the witches can control the mind.
No, she already was heavily set on Osha not doing anything without her. She has a selfish love for her sister, like Anakin did.
The coven is not innocent in this, they kept pushing the life they wanted for the girls onto Osha, who clearly had reservations about it. I think the Jedi picked up on this and went to the Witches to ensure they didn't unduly influence Osha. A tense situation is exacerbated by the fire and things spiral out of control.
22:41 It's out of focus but it does appear that Torbin's face is scarred through his eye. In one of the trailers or TV spots we see Kelnacca attack him, so something goes down between the Jedi; a philosophical or ethical disagreement, or mind control or something. Which seems consistent with Mae's sudden murderous-psychopathic-heel-turn, it's gotta be mind control or something. I'm excited to see this flashback again, from a different... point of view...
And I agree, the fire spread WAY too fast, in a mostly stone structure too. How does that even happen? Something else was definitely going on...
Man Thanks for You and Bendu for always being Kind and Awesome! I swear to Tom Cruise 🤣 It's cool to see fellow amigos be Kind and not cry about everything! Stay awesome 🤘
There’s more to the incident indeed as this is just from one perspective. Mae and Osha’s creation calls back to Anakin but how though is yet to be discovered.
Yeah, those people didn't die in no fire. We only saw what Osha knew about, but there's a lot more to be revealed. I think it's very much a Rashomon situation, and the Jedi will be portrayed in a much better light when we see things from their perspective.
This episode was amazing, so enjoyable - great visuals and worldbuilding, interesting deepening of the mystery and great acting, particularly liked Osha's actor.
Lovvvvve witches in Star Wars and its interesting to see a new strain of them!
Total shot in the dark: the Jedi had orders to investigate the coven and shut it down if need be. Indara, who gives off kind of hard-ass vibes, has a particular, extreme idea about how to handle them, which Torbin goes along with because he was her padawan. Sol likely objects to this course of action, and rushes to the fortress to stop them, which is why he’s there already when the place is coming down around their ears. Sol’s probably keeping that Indara and Torbin was responsible for the reactor sabotage. Still, I wonder if something beyond the Jedi is at play with the deaths of the coven. We didn’t get that good a look, but they seemed suspiciously lacking in physical injuries. Sure, there was a lot of rubble around them, but it didn’t look like enough to kill them all.
This was a very interesting episode there is definitely more to the story on what actually happened
I love that they found an actual pair of twins to play young Osha and Mae. They look so alike, I thought it was one girl playing both parts until I saw two names in the credits
@chewchillathewookiee3515 right!? People can see it lmao
@@chewchillathewookiee3515 There are twins that are fraternal which means they are not identical.
They are definitely hiding something extra between Mae lighting the book and everything after.
He's out of focus, but when Osha is waking up, Torbin has fresh scars - whatever we aren't being told is the big thing.
I really appreciated we kind of had two potentially problematic cults who are also kind of the good guys of their own stories and watching the tense war of words between Master Indara and Mother Anasaya.
A lot of questions out of this episode, that I hope they use to full effect and don't let it go to waste.
I find this episode raises a lot of questions and for some maybe too much change without answers like “the thread” involvement in relation to the force will divide opinion. One things for sure the more that is revealed about the Jedis the better this series gets. Can’t wait for the sweet spot episode 5
btw we did see Tomin's burnt face if you look closely
6:44 "look at that stick" had me 💀 great reaction guys. Soo many questions. Can't until the next episode
When the fire happened, Mae had completed the acension so she was a witch. She may have been able to spread the fire quickly using majik.
Given there's more than likely going to be another version of this flashback from at least Mae's POV, I wonder if PhilosophyTube is going to be back for the other version.
The reason why none of it makes sense and happens off screen is because this entire episode is from Osha's perspective. I imagine we will see things from Mae's perspective later and maybe even from the point of view of the Jedi.
Mother Koril is Maes master. She's not among the dead. She probably poisoned the coven w bunta. She hates the Jedi and wanted to throw down but was over ruled
You know I think once we get to another flashback in the Jedi’s pov will get the full picture, and honestly the episode isn’t that bad honestly.
Like I tried to give Secret Invasion a chance but once Maria Hill died I dropped the show I don’t see any of that here.
That's a silly reason to have stopped watching the show.
@@YodatheHobbit I mean if Grogu would been killed off most people prob gonna stop also watch the Mandalorian
Something I noticed with Mae is that it seems she's not quite there in the moment when she has her more angry and darker moments, like when she was holding the bug creature at the start and the very abrupt death threat against Osha. Almost as if something has a hold or sway over her thoughts and actions.
It's also nice to see guys like you using your critical thinking abilities and having patience and understanding to have a civil conversation about this show as opposed to people like StarWars Theory or other blue checkmarked drama content farmers on Twitter have childish meltdown number 27 about how Star Wars is dead and it's Disney's fault and they're done with Star Wars knowing damn well they aren't. So I say thank you Kyle and Bendu for having common sense, curtesy, and civility.
My thoughts on this is that things were already tense between the Coven and the Jedi so when the fire broke out, the Coven, having no idea it was Mae, thought it was the Jedi who started it when they came for Osha (and Mae as well). One of them made the first move and a fight broke out. Since this is from Osha's perspective, she believes Mae was the one who started the fire and it killed everyone. Maybe later on, we will see from Mae's perspective of what happened and thinks that the Jedi was responsible since she had already decided to not trust them. Which is explains why she is out for revenge towards them and thinks Osha was dead. She was already "ripe" for the dark side since she already showed a tendency towards using violence even at a young age. She's quick to anger and is absolute. A perfect student for that mysterious teacher.
I bet the Jedi killed the witches trying to keep Osha from leaving.
Same. This would better explains Torbin’s line before he drank the poison “We thought we were doing the right thing.” I seriously doubt he was talking about taking Osha away.
If you look at the first scene in the ship where Sol first start talking to Osha, over his shoulder you can see Torbin has fresh scares on his face.
How does ordinary fire burn stone?
"This isn't about good or bad. This is about power and who is allowed to use it." Best line in this episode to me. I hope we can get more backstory on this Era and why the Jedi are allowed to decide who wields the Force.
I'm guessing the Zabrak started a fight when the Jedi showed up and things got out of control.
Honestly, I felt that both the Coven and The Jedi did good and bad things. Wanting to control or not "allow" things is bad. Letting people make their own choices is good.
To me it is about good and bad.
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I think for now they are only showing us the incident from Osha's perspective, no doubt we'll revisit this scene in due course.
"Smilo Ren"...love it 😂
I LOVE THAT YOU GUYS LOVED THIS EPISODE! Thank you for actually liking Star Wars.
Ditto!!!!!
Seriously.
Not liking a mediocre show doesn't mean you don't like Star Wars.
@@praedonius9693 So why are you even here if you are just being negative about the show? Don't watch it if you don't like it and let those who do enjoy it in peace.
@@jonathannilsson8482 it's a public space? Unless you prefer echo Chambers?
This episode felt the most High Republic out of the previous ones. I loved seeing other cultures use the force besides the Sith and Jedi. It reminded me a lot of the Path of the Open Hand.
Thank you Kyle and Bendu for being so positive and hyped for this show, it’s very rare to find as you guys probably know. May the force be with you both ❤❤
It's definitely more to it! Because Torbin has scars on his face so I'm assuming there was a fight
19:39 I don't know - that was a very non-committal way of saying maybe. I think she's just trying to placate Osha here, and doesn't plan on letting her go at all. Like, "We considered your request and wish we could honour it. We're very sorry, but you have to stay after all"
This was mostly from Osha's perspective. Ya, the Jedi stepped outside of their jurisdiction, and the witches understood their own vulnerability in this situation. My initial theories are that someone dark amongst them, and if not that, possibly predating on the coven but not actually being one of them. We need to know how Jedi discovered them, and why Osha was already drawing Jedi related stuff. This all seems setup in some sort of way.
The Force is a connecting thread.
@@surunitemiakanni-oye4346 and there are those who use it to manipulate.
just like in any crime thriller, we'll absolutely be getting the different points of view of what happened here
Next, we may see Mae's and then Torbin's or vice versa; and maybe even Indara's
We still don't know what brought about the Jedi's guilt so this "onion" has a long way to go before all of its layers are shed
I know this spices up the lore at many angles but I love it
Anakin's birth circumstances came along long before him, in TWINS no less so this is huge
The only thing that makes me uneasy is HOW the girls were conceived; that may what will be revealed in the next one or two episodes
I think next week is when the Jedi are being hunted by the Stranger and according to the tv spots, Osha will be approached by this guy so I worry for her
This show has been weird for me, the first two episodes I didn’t hate but I also wasn’t amazed by. They were just meh, which is a terrible feeling watching new Star Wars content. That said this episode felt like a step up Sol has been consistently the best part of this series, and continues to shine. I liked Osha in episodes 1 and 2 but May didn’t feel like a real person in those first two. Not sure if it was the writing which has struggled so far or if the actress is just better at playing heros over villains. I’ve seen her in other stuff and she’s been good. That said the actress playing child may in episode 3 was way more convincing. I think adult May struggles for me because they want her to be sympathetic, but kid May is straight evil. Sometimes characters don’t need to be grey. Pure evil can be compelling.
Love you guys reactions! I think the Jedi killed ALL those witches hence the guilt. They are self righteous and judgmental especially in this time .
WHOO!!!!
This entire episode definitely gives me SWTOR vibes on Arcaan and Thexan with force twins being polar opposite of the light and the dark sides.
I am looking forward to Mae's and the Jedi's perspective in the following episode. That'll tell us everything we need to know on Brandok incident.
When Mae is looking at the fire before she burns the book and starts the fire. It looks like she’s in a trance. I wonder if she even knows what’s she’s doing. She could believe that the Jedi mind tricked her and that’s what caused her to act out. She’s definitely not herself.
I think Mae's master might be Darth Plagueis. We know that by 32 BBY he had died so he should be alive at this point during 132 BBY. Not to mention the series takes place 48 years before Sidious was born. Who's to say Sidious was Plagueis only student?
I know this one has the fandom menace folks saying that it would piss literally everybody off but I honestly don't know what I'm supposed to be mad at canon-wise. Everything here's either borrowed from the clone wars or from the EU. Very weird dialogue/directing choices though.
They got mad when disney "said it's canon yet" then they get mad when they add stuff back in slowly but surely. For ef Sake Nar Shadda is back which got me excited. That could mean Kyle Katarn can come back eventually.
@darkpro0031 how does it do that? The twins were born using some kind of dark magic. Anakin was born without any action from anyone. And yes before you bring up Plagueis and Sidious remember that book isn't canon (as much as I love it). The comics also reference Sidious involved in Anakin's creation but the author confirmed that wasn't his intention.
@@darkpro0031 NO it doesn't. I feel like star wars watchers forget that the chosen one prophecy is a separate saga than anything else in star wars. don't let your hate consume you. learn from the lessons star wars teaches you.
@@bennickell8477yeah, I feel like the difference is that the twins were intentional, while Anakin was a side effect
And Lucas very specifically states in The Star Wars Archive interviews that the Whills, which Lucas says feed on the energy of the Cosmic Force, created Anakin as a means to stop the growing presence of the Dark Side from “souring the milk”. Sidious could just assume that it was Plagueis who created Anakin through the technique Mae taught her Sith master (? Just my theory at the moment, but the implications are there), which is all stuff Filoni, who now oversees everything, including this show, would be aware of. People whining about this rewriting canon are not thinking clearly and are reacting to either false assumptions or head canon.
Wow. That was heavy. Mae was an issue from the jump. More like her pointy headed mom. Osha is more like mom with all the braids.
We need to know *how* these kids came to being. How the fire accelerated to that extent. How Mae survived, and who rescued her. I need to know about these *WITCHES!*
I am so liking this show. I'm ready for more. Heck yeah!
I´m so happy for your reaction, my hope is that they show the other version of what happened, there must be.
Until we get confirmation of what they're canonically called, I'm calling them the Coven of the Thread or just the Thread Coven. The hint that the Sith learn how to create life through the Force through midi-chlorian manipulation through Mae once she's given the Coven's knowledge is something I thought was really cool. I don't get the hatred and teeth-gnashing about "ruining George Lucas's vision of the Force" whinging at all.
How will mae get that knowledge since all the witches died? Or did she already get it thru the ascension?
@@cklambo I thought was heavily implied she got it through the Ascension. That was my interpretation of that scene, anyway.
I liked episode one, i liked episode two even more, but THIS?
THIS was really, really BAD.
Personal opinion, of course.
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Bendu is always so happy 😍😍😍😍😍~ you guys are an amazing company to rewatch the shows
Probably because he's high?
Bendu, it 's Battle of the Five Armies, where Smaug dies, not Desolation
I have a feeling there is 5 sides to this story. Osha’s side, Mae’s side, the Jedis, the withches and a sith. I have a feeling a sith killed the witches for letting the twins be separated. Or the sith is playing mind games with all parties.
Mae did start the fire. However, she didn't start all of that. How did all of those witches die? Fire didn't cause ceilings to fall etc. What the Hell really happened? Osha was taken by the Jedi. Mae was left behind but who saved her? What the Hell really happened? What did the Jedi do? Sol is still innocent in this (I can not think of him badly). However, Master Torbin...What did you do? I love this show. I love the mystery going on here.