Shepard Keeps the Collector Base... Hangs Up on The Illusive Man Anyway
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Mass Effect 2 Final Mission - I still prefer the paragon version where you destroy the base and then hang up on The Illusive Man.
HANGING UP ON THE COUNCIL - MASS EFFECT LEGENDARY EDITION
• Hanging Up on the Coun...
MASS EFFECT 2 - WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU KEEP THE COLLECTOR BASE
• Mass Effect 2 - What H...
"After everything we've done for you, are you just going to walk away?"
"You know it!" *Hangs up*
You really needed three dialogue options:
“You know it!”
“Whoops”
“I don’t have time for this…”
Joker: "That never gets old, does it?"
- Keeps the Collector base
- Hangs up on TIM anyway
- Doesn't elaborate
- Leaves
profit!
Oh wait wrong sequence
I'm sorry Shepard, but can you take off the goggles. I'm trying to have a serious conversation with you.
I bet he's happy, he's basically on the council now
Better yet, he can kiss Shep's ass !
who
It's a pity that most armor pieces with good stats look ugly as hell
There’s mods for that :)
Most RPGS are like that unfortunately
Are you saying you don't like my goggles? hahaha
@@BigDanGaming *laughs in kuwashii visor*
Don’t hate the drip
Therapist: Pink goggles wearing Shepard isn't real. He can't hurt you.
Pink goggles wearing Shepard:
I really wish there were a way to join cerberus in ME3 working with the illusive man with an evil playthrough sounds fun
Cerberus wouldn't be evil if devs wouldn't decide to indoctrinate Illusive man...
Evil? They were hero's that stopped the collectors. They did whatever it took to win just like my Shepard. Would have made a great team
@@vikingsword3485 I would say murdering and torturing people is pretty evil. See their injection of thresher maw venom into soldiers in Akuze, their blendering of humans to experiment with Husks in Sanctuary, their Overlord nonsense….
Besides, you can’t use the weak justification of their behavior that “they do bad things but they get the job done” when they don’t even get the job done.
@@zen_tewmbs Murdering and torturing people isn't evil. That is just common place. I think it was largely bad writing of TIM in ME3. A man who desires to protect humans turning them into monsters was out of char. The overlord project was a promising project but they went rouge.
They did get the job done the collector base was destroyed.
It would be awesome if being more friendly with TIM was an option and then working together with him in ME3 could be what unlocks the control option and working against him unlocks the destroy option
I understand the rationale for keeping the base, I just really don't like seeing TIM...pleased.
I feel the same way. Never trusted Cerberus, even when renegade...and I was right not to!
Cerberus would be based, if they weren't reasonlessly sadistic so much, and TIM didn't get indoctrinated.
@@BlueFusion2910 cerberus are literally in-game representations of fascists bro what
@@javiernegron2633 yeah, and?
Legion made the best point against keeping the base, saying that humanity should find its own ways of progress rather than following the reaper trajectory. After that dialogue I genuinely changed my mind about preserving the base.
Martin Sheen voice acts an amazing villain. Also, I would have liked an ending where you start ME:3 as part of Cerberus.
that would've tooken 2 more years of development time but EA said no.
@@BestSpartansForever EA a hecho mucho daño a sus propios videojuegos. Una pena estoy seguro que ME3 hubiera sido mil veces mejor con mas tiempo de desarrollo.
Only thing TIM cares about is the base,he could care less about Shep hanging up 🤣🤣
LOL FACTS 😂😂😂
I always choose to keep the station
Look at the Cerberus history they only knows how to waste good opportunities & mess things up 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I laughed so hard when I found out Cerberus is failed
As expected 😂😂😂
Hahaha I never thought of it this way. Ceberus actually fucks up everything even when handed things on a plate. It's a goddamn miracle they actually managed to resurrect Shepherd
I did a paragon playthrough but kept the base. because in my story Shepard saw it was a way to thank TIM and Cerberus for bringing him back and he truly believed they would use it to find a way to destroy the reapers. he was wrong but just like he told miranda nobody is perfect and everyone makes mistakes.
Yeah but Shepard had to wake up early even when they resurrected him, leaving him scarred. The Normandy wasn't stocked with proper food and she also didn't have the right FBA couplings. Cerberus even managed to fuck up their success story in a couple ways.
@@Zyo117plus you’re a failure. You cut ties and turned hostile, taking Normandy with you
I'm sorry but I can't take Shepard seriously with those goggles on
Theyre really good tho lol
And that glamour armor
I can't use helmets in ME2/3, I wish you could make them invisible like in ME1
@@prich0382 It is very funny, when you are wearing helmet and characters tried to kiss you 😂 I am always laughing my ass off 😂
Elton John Shepard
The Illusive Man and his words really gets into your head if you don't keep your guard up.
Ooo, the Cerberus version of hanging up the council !!!
I feel like this should’ve made relations with Cerberus a bit different in ME3. More positive, mainly. TIM doesn’t seem nearly as displeased as he is in the Destroy ending.
It changed few dialogues, if that matters to you. And if i am not wrong, by the time you meet TIM on Mars, if you have enough Paragon points, you may try to convince him to help you destroy Reapers(Shephard said something like: "I gave you the Collector base cause i believed we wanted the same thing" or smt like that).
really lets Shep take the power back from the Illusive Man for once, and really sets up your relationship to them for ME3
In what practical way does this “take back the power from TIM”?
Just in terms of the roles in the conversation, maybe I used the wrong phrase. I feel like TIM holds all the cards for the whole game, including several of the other endings. He occupies the dominant role in every exchange with Shepard. TIM always has a backup plan, a contingency, more information that Shep doesn't. Here, I feel Shep is finally on even footing with TIM: no more secrets or hidden agendas, no more uncertainty about who is pulling what string. They even make a very real, very enforceable threat to TIM, and refusing to bargain or hedge on that threat's terms was a nice power move. I found it to be a very satisfying reversal of their usual roles, and thus a good way to cap off the game.
I loved the illusive man. Me2 was my favorite story wise.
Its a shame the collecter base wasnt used in me3 storyline in any significant manner. Biggest reason why me3 is considered not the best among the 3 games is that the previous choices matter less for the eventual endings.. Bioware games so close to perfection yet seem so far these days.
People hyped themselves up for an ending ME3 was never going to be able to deliver, and never even promised to deliver, rather than focusing on the journey. The final choice for any of the games never mattered in the next installment, it was ALWAYS the choices between that shaped your Shepard and the galaxy.
@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake So, you don't think deciding whether or not the council dies in ME1 "was clearly meant to hugely factor" into the story of the second one? It factors into ME2 in almost the same EXACT fashion as ME2's final decision factors into ME3. I am by no means saying ME3 was perfect, but you're shooting at the wrong target with the ending choices. As for the rest of your statement, I have no idea why you brought it up, we both agree it would have been almost impossible for them to bring every story beat together in a wholly satisfying way and my comment was referring specifically to the endings.
Pink Shepard on duty to make the absolute worst choice out of every situation. Always a pleasure.
Omg I literally just did this in my playthrough to see if you could still be rude to him after giving him what he wanted. Still satisfying.
If you dont recruit Garrus and Liara before Virmire in ME1 then its not possible to kill Wrex there. He will just stand down because of too few available squadmates
Can you please make the best Squadmates to bring with you for Mass Effect 1?
Wrex and Wrex
Mod the game to allow a second Wrex
Kaidan and Garrus.
Wrex + garrus (best)
Liara + Tali (good)
Wrex + Tali (good)
Ashely & kaiden are lame AF for roleplay + average in combat
@@Pk-oi8ky Seriously wtfh are you smoking. Kaidan is EXTREMELY useful in combat. Kaidan+Liara(or biotic Shep) is basically playing the game on easy mode even on Insanity with all the shield busting and biotic explosions you can do.
If you don't think Kaidan is useful during combat, you're playing wrong.
Not really related, but I just replayed through Lair of the Shadow Broker in Legendary Edition and noticed that he comments differently about some of your squadmates whether you've done their loyalty mission or not and possibly what the outcome of their mission was. You think you might do a video focused on that or the Shadow Broker dlc in general?
There is already a video done on that
@@prich0382 I don't believe Big Dan has done a video on the Shadow Broker dlc, not that I saw in his playlist anyway. Or if you mean there are other videos on CZcams that do that, then yes to an extent, but I couldn't find any that had all the variations for each sqaudmember. For example, in one video it had the shadow broker, when talking about Kasumi, say something about the graybox you get in her loyalty mission. In another he said something about Kasumi having to miss Hawk's party because they had not completed her loyalty mission yet. I was curious if there are any other interesting variants in the things the Broker can say about your squadmates, but I couldn't find a video that talked about them.
"Sorry, Illusive Dick, this is kind of my thing."
It’s hard to destroy the base but because Cerberus gets it I have to
I never trust The Illusive Man (or other humans),
I blow up the Collector base every time.
Spoiler Alert for Me3: I don't think it really matters what you do, but if you let cerberus have the base, you collect parts of it during your raid on the cerberus base, and it gives more war assets, like 25 more or something. Not much, but the fact that saving the base doesn't have much impact on 3 makes it worth the extra points
Could you do a vid about what happens if Dr Chocolate dies 🍫
SHE KNOWS TOO MUCH
I have a question, if destroy is paragon, and control is renegade in the second game then why is it inferred that control is paragon and destroy is renegade in the third, or am I taking the colour thing too serious
You're taking the colour thing too seriously
At least to me paragon was taking the high road and inclusive and hence anti cerberus in me2, while renegade was more pro human get the job done. So at the end of me2 saving the base was considered renegade cause it was a pro cerberus move not necessarily because it was using reaper tech. I mean on rannoch the paragon choice is to litterally use reaper code to upgrade the geth and save them
@@Noschool100 pretty much
Indoctrination theory?
And hence the reason why no one likes the endings. Literally pick your favorite jolly rancher and go with it. Mine is blue raspberry so control was it for me.
Citadel Council: "first time?"
Question: what happens in fallout 3 if you kill everyone in tenpenny BEFORE talking to Roy?
Or you kill the super heroes immediately?
I've always kept it. It seems logical to me.
Besides, in ME2 he isn't quite "evil".
Keep the base for that bonus War Effort from the Reaper Heart
Pink bugeyes McGee returns to give The Illusive Man a present followed up with a middle finger.
This is exactly what I did on my playthrough
There are more people who played first ME3, then the other sequels. So for them seems obvious to destroy the collector base. For me it was stupid to do so instead of study.
Except that it might indoctrinate you.
@@RevolverOcelot1 As I said, ME3 didn't pipped up there, so there wasn't any indoctrination theory.
@@balabannicolai1293 indoctrination was a thing in ME1... and in ME2...
@@TheMirkxD who the f paid attention back then?
@@balabannicolai1293 Um, I'm sorry but who mentioned the indoctrination theory. I was just pointing out that the base might Indoctrinate you because it was made by the Reapers who were known for Indoctrination.
Keeping the base makes canonical sense, as it further eases TIM’s indoctrination
But Collectors weren't equipped with Indoctrination Tech, were they? There was not a single instance, that i can remember, where people showed any sort of syptomes of indoctrination. At best, the remnants of Human Reaper could be that, but even then... You saved you whole crew(or at least Dr. Chakwas and few other) and none of them shows anything even closely related to indoctrination. The closest is Kelly having nightmares about being back in the pod(in ME3).
"You help me with one hand, yet slap me with the other....WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON SHEPPARD!?!?"
This is why destroy is paragon.
The choice here is not the debate on what resources you're willing to use, it's who gets access to them and what they'll do with them.
Shepard loves hanging up on people 😂😂
“Commander, are you calling just to hang up again?”
“You know it!”
Although I destroyed the base, it seemed a bit hypocritical from Shepard after the Arrival DLC. There he sacrificed WAY MORE people to delay the reapers than the collectors to build the larva (lol think about it). So after Arrival it seems more local to keep the base although I like my Shep paragon. Probably one of the hardest choice of the trilogy but thankfully the effects on the outcome are minimal.
I think that’s the first time I see renegade Shepard shutting off TIM, all the videos show him approving about needing each other.
This is my favorite end to it.
I’m sorry Shepard but that outfit gotta go right now
With those visors Sheperd looks like a Lobotomite
I wanted to keep the Collector base but after seeing what happened to my crew, because I had one mission I needed to do before the end game, I was like so this is what happened to all of those Colonists, hell no this place can go to hell and TIM can kiss the fattest part of my ass because it had to go
something i noticed: the sun in the background reflects your paragon/renegade status. i destroyed the base in my paragon playtrough and the sun was a bright blue sun. but in this video the sun is red making me belive that you did a renegade playtrough.
Depends on if you blew up the base or kept it
Funny, I made a video of me keeping the collector base and making the same choices except for that last choice of hanging up. It makes more sense hanging up on TIM if you blew the base up. Here it's just a little weird but funny.
I did that in my play through lmao
Huh I've never done it this way. I like it
Renegade Shepard is a menace
This was how I ended the game, full paragon run and I saved the base cause it seemed logical, but I didn’t think “shut up” meant end the conversation abruptly lol.
Would have liked more of a chance to sway him, or at least let him state a better case for working together.
Ok, so in this video he does not sent the ships to the base!
Bigdan How About Active The Subtitles im not good at listening dialog without subtitles
So what happens in ME3 with this option ?
Nothing much really, you get a few lines from people here and there mentioning your action and during the assault on cerberus base you can see they salvaged part of the human reaper.
Collector base is worth more points then destroyed as you get the Reaper Brain, Destroyed gets you Reaper Heart
What happens if I choose liara in mass 1 , then tali in 2 , then Ashley in 3 ? Will they have uniqie dialogue in 3
The are some bits about that here and here, but its mostly focused on the Geth dreadnought mission. When you bring tali + ashley/liara, they will sass each other a little in different ways depending on who you are romancing currently
Those goggles 🤣
This decision is wasted. The justification for either choice is dumb as well. We should have been able to give the Collecter base to the Alliance. You know because it could lead to the way to beat the Reapers in a organic way rather than just contriving one.
dan do u ever stream?
I'm going to start streaming here on CZcams in August. Just upgraded my internet connection.
"Joker, loose this channel!"
I need to get the remaster of this ASAP 😩 if only I could get a series x tho lol
Whoops!
can u start doing dragon age inquisition videos instead of just orgins
also love the channel. you do better work than channels with millions of subs
Yes I plan to make Inquisition content as well. Hopefully soon. Thanks for the support!
@@BigDanGaming dan do u ever stream?
@@BigDanGaming also for inquisition videos plz do them as same style of mass effect. where u show the different outcomes based on decisions etc
Big Dan
Considering the line of games you prefer, I believe you would enjoy Divinity Original Sin2. Give it a shot if you have the chance.
It's been in my Steam library for awhile. I look forward to having a chance to dig into it.
Has some pretty neat choices/character-stories and big decisions.
Would love to see your vids on it
I have always mixed feeling, keeping the base seem a logical choice in that war, but supporting Cerberus urgh
Did this one as well, sigma status
sigma male shep
1:40 ASMR time
Am I the only one who feels like ME2's script wasn't written to accommodate you agreeing with The Illusive Man at all? The dialogue feels rich when you're distrustful of him, but giving him the benefit of the doubt produces awkward exchanges like this one.
Am I really high or does Shepard’s voice acting seem really bad here?
How does this effect ME3?
it doesn't sadly. it's a waste of potential unfortunately for the third game.
Dang, this is my first time playing Mass Effect. Loving it. Just beat 2. That would have been awesome potential. As long as Cerberus doesn't get it.
Believe it or not, I finish MS2 with default armor in difficulty veterans because high-level armor looks dog shit.
Politics is getting worse. So i came here to watch the best Commander Shepard. To bad know matter the choice you make at thr end of 2. ME 3 is the same start. Cerburus still gets the tech no matter what.
LOL