The thing people need to remember is we're in a bubble of eskate enthusiasts. Evolve isn't marketing to us - they're marketing to casual eskaters who buy their board from a store like JB Hi Fi - and they're good at what they do. They make a consumer friendly product, that works out of the box without needing to feel like you're half-way making a DiY and has solid after sales support. They don't need to sell a board with an enormous battery because their consumers are not asking for that. They don't need to sell a board that has insane top speeds, for the same reason (as well as legal issues effecting their sales or other potential legal issues stemming from injury). So when everyone hates on them for having smaller batteries or lower top speed, etc. they need to remember - Evolve was never selling to you in the first place. What I am interested to see is - will these *replace* the current Hadean models or will they simply be a much higher cost? Obviously they can't have both on the market at the same time, near the same price, or no one is buying the older model, so is this the end of the current models?
@@jamescalkins6069 yeah - honestly, I am glad. I think if they kept the Hadean around, it would mean the Diablo would have to cost way more than it should, and they would start to wind up with too many offerings. The Hadean is getting on - this is the right choice.
Then I guess they won't sell. A lot of evolve users are hold overs from boosted board days. I think evolves days are numbered, but then again their insanely high margins might keep them going.
It’s good to have a voice of reason when it comes to Evolve - 👏 Fred I always call Evolve the Apple of esk8 - beautiful, well made, not cheap & totally proprietary. Know what you’re getting into & enjoy it for what it is- a great ride! You didn’t say much about it, but the biggie that separates Evolve from from lesser eskates to me is RIDE FEEL. They don’t call them “super carve” trucks for nothing! Aren’t they the truck that all 2 in 1 boards have imitated ever since??
What we need : - Battery with easily removable individual cells - Motors that can be oiled / greased WITHOUT taking things apart ( shitty tiny screws will never fasten the same after being removed / re-tightened ) - Proper water resistance on battery AND motor controller ( diablo series might have accomplished this ? ) - Effort put into vibration reduction : Rubber / bushing material between contact point of trucks and deck, rubber / bushing between contact points of motor mounts, battery mount, motor controller mounts. Also foam grip tape ? - Charger that allows users to select fast or slow charge, and target cut off ( 40% storage charge, 80%, 90%, 100% cut off options ) - Remote that gives us all features WITHOUT NEEDING A PHONE APP ( -_- !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) - Dedicated on / off button on the remote for lights - Dedicated button on remote for electronic bell ( not a horn, is rude ) - Wheel bearing protectors ( no reason to have them fully exposed ) - Protective sleeve for phaze remote
I’ll add a couple. Customisation of the remote display. I couldn’t care less what speed it says I’m going, I know what is fast for me I don’t need a figure for it, I’d rather be able to see the battery percentage without needing to pull out my reading glasses. And what about a brake that can actually lock it up when at standstill waiting for traffic lights to change.
That's all well and good, but Propel boards are not known for randomly disconnecting from the remote in the middle of a ride or for using generic Chinese battery cells.
Obviously stretch every dollar. The Diablo looks very nicely marketed but at the moment I'm satisfied with what I've got. Great messages Fred, I hope people listen to it all.
I love my Toyota corolla!No bells and whistles,doesn't beep all the time,I drive to where I want ...thats what a car is for right?reliable transport?.I have a how old GTX evolve still love it,I don't exspensive board with no comebacks if things go wrong,I've seen most on the market these days and I'm really not interested in what's on offer to be honest,I'm a skater not a tech geek.
I really liked my 2 evolves until I had the well reported brake lock up. I could never trust anything from Evolve now unfortunately even though I really liked the boards.
I dont hate it, i just think it’s going to be overpriced compared to the competition. That being said the phase remote is my favorite in the game. Ive got two older GTR carbons that I bought both used 2 years ago and Ive put 1000 miles each board. One board was mint condition and i paid like 800. Lately ive been really digging on my street wheel set up GTR 97Mm classic. Im 165 lbs and those little motors move me right along. Gets good street wheel range in a lightweight package. I live in bay area Cali there's used evolve boards here all day long. I also have an Acedeck and a Lacroix just to mention my credentials lol.
The hater squads came out in droves. 😂 I owned so many boards in the last 10 years. All the big namebrand’s. People keep saying all these bad things about Evolve, but I’ve owned seven of their boards and only had one motor ever fail, never had a controller lose connection. Never had a bored snap in half. Never had an ESC give out and always had good customer service experience with them. So I take everything I see online with the grain of salt because it isn’t my experience . A lot of these other companies I bought boards from went out of business .
honestly , the Hadean has plenty of power and range for me. I also stopped buying boards right on release , because most brand drop prices significantly after, let say, 6 months. Happend to mee ont the GTR , then on the Hadean.
It's twitchy off the line then has no follow up power, like a burst current then nothing. Unless you mash the trigger it feels slow to me after the initial not so smooth kick.
@@ajplant96 I can’t handle that kick especially around pedestrians so I’ve always used a more user friendly custom setting, but a few weeks back I was down to the low percentage when it switches over to eco-mode and that initial kick nearly threw me off cause I didn’t realise it had switched over.
More like a Kia, my onrique constantly broke down until I returned it for a full refund. Comparing them to a Chinese based company is an insult to the chinese-based company not the other way around. Love your videos but I'm keeping it real.
Exactly. Even fred talked about all the issues he had with his stoke after talking evolve up. Im glad hes enjoying evolve but everybody else is going to continuing valuing their money and health lol.
Did they say 200A ESC output!!? That's a lot of power... I mean they will have to limit to 180A for the batteries but even 180A is heaps. I won't be buying one as I only got 2nd hand Toyota Corolla money but it's nice to see them doing new stuff while staying true to their design philosophy. Their board has a lovely carve and is still light and compact enough to carry. Hopefully, it precipitates further esc development from the competition
That battery can’t do more than 80a without hitting its temperature limit, motors are capable of 140a at least but that 200a esc rating is just headroom
Evolve has grown to have a negative reputation for a reason. Only to new riders, evolve seems as it is the "creme de la creme" I only see Hadean Bamboo decks snapping left and right these days. Dont forget, they were originally charging 3K for the Hadean Carbon AT it its initial release, How could anyone respect that? Evolve tries to move around like Apple, pretending to re-invent the wheel with every release while still using 2020 specs, it’s actually pretty impressive.
keep reading about evolve boards disconnecting from their remotes? have owned 2 GTR Bamboo’s for several years now and have NEVER had this issue (knock on wood) My experience has been 100% positive with the evolve boards…. so much so that I will be buying the Diablo. cant wait! 😅
Evolve is an overhyped company, I own a Hadean (actually my 1st esk8), my 2nd board I bought from a different brand for same price and was blown away with the difference in quality, power and performance, that was the day I walked away from considering buying another Evolve board, their boards are good, just over priced for the what you actuality get, opinions are just that, everyone has one
@@esk8unity I'm not gonna go over the video I already lose interest but I think you said at the end something about we as customers referring to yourself, which was funny and not a big deal, but WE the CUSTOMERS not YOU, all know you aint one. CUSTOMERS and PROMOTERS are different, Are you really asking me this question
@@dgor.1266lost interest yet here u are.. i am 100% a customer. if u watch my latest hadean review, u literally see my receipt. plz stop lying. dont ever assume with my products. You have no idea how much I buy for this channel/community . Buying or being given, its irrelevant because it will always be 💯 regardless . You just being wrong about this ONE product proves that. also, am i a “salesman” or am i just properly spoken with the truth u might not like?…. ✔️✔️✔️
@@esk8unity 🤣 I said it's not a big deal bro but you're BS with evolve is Noticeable, Receive with promotors means nothing bro, How stupid do you think we are, now with that being said Continue what you're doing leave it alone its not need for me to put on the lights
@@dgor.1266 so u see the receipt and still deny the facts lol. what bs? whats noticeable exactly? u just mad at the truth. stop playing it off as if u dont care yet here u are crying with ur negativity, jealousy and insecure perception. u got proven wrong, now beat it
@@user-fx4pt5sr2d 1: didnt like the truth huh? 2: evolve dont need to pay anyone to do anything for them. they created there own successful business with plenty of solid networking. 3: we r a small channel, Evolve doesnt need us. ur mistaken this channel for Dkwan and Exway.. 4: if u think this is marketing, u dont know anything about business. 5: do u know what a “ploy” is? what about any of this video is a ploy? 6: How many fake youtube accounts r ya gonna make JJ? 😂
The thing people need to remember is we're in a bubble of eskate enthusiasts. Evolve isn't marketing to us - they're marketing to casual eskaters who buy their board from a store like JB Hi Fi - and they're good at what they do. They make a consumer friendly product, that works out of the box without needing to feel like you're half-way making a DiY and has solid after sales support. They don't need to sell a board with an enormous battery because their consumers are not asking for that. They don't need to sell a board that has insane top speeds, for the same reason (as well as legal issues effecting their sales or other potential legal issues stemming from injury). So when everyone hates on them for having smaller batteries or lower top speed, etc. they need to remember - Evolve was never selling to you in the first place.
What I am interested to see is - will these *replace* the current Hadean models or will they simply be a much higher cost? Obviously they can't have both on the market at the same time, near the same price, or no one is buying the older model, so is this the end of the current models?
End of the hadean for sure, they say it in the video they released today
@@jamescalkins6069 yeah - honestly, I am glad. I think if they kept the Hadean around, it would mean the Diablo would have to cost way more than it should, and they would start to wind up with too many offerings. The Hadean is getting on - this is the right choice.
Then I guess they won't sell. A lot of evolve users are hold overs from boosted board days. I think evolves days are numbered, but then again their insanely high margins might keep them going.
It’s good to have a voice of reason when it comes to Evolve - 👏 Fred
I always call Evolve the Apple of esk8 - beautiful, well made, not cheap & totally proprietary. Know what you’re getting into & enjoy it for what it is- a great ride!
You didn’t say much about it, but the biggie that separates Evolve from from lesser eskates to me is RIDE FEEL.
They don’t call them “super carve” trucks for nothing! Aren’t they the truck that all 2 in 1 boards have imitated ever since??
What we need :
- Battery with easily removable individual cells
- Motors that can be oiled / greased WITHOUT taking things apart ( shitty tiny screws will never fasten the same after being removed / re-tightened )
- Proper water resistance on battery AND motor controller ( diablo series might have accomplished this ? )
- Effort put into vibration reduction : Rubber / bushing material between contact point of trucks and deck, rubber / bushing between contact points of motor mounts, battery mount, motor controller mounts. Also foam grip tape ?
- Charger that allows users to select fast or slow charge, and target cut off ( 40% storage charge, 80%, 90%, 100% cut off options )
- Remote that gives us all features WITHOUT NEEDING A PHONE APP ( -_- !!!!!!!!!!!!!! )
- Dedicated on / off button on the remote for lights
- Dedicated button on remote for electronic bell ( not a horn, is rude )
- Wheel bearing protectors ( no reason to have them fully exposed )
- Protective sleeve for phaze remote
I’ll add a couple.
Customisation of the remote display. I couldn’t care less what speed it says I’m going, I know what is fast for me I don’t need a figure for it, I’d rather be able to see the battery percentage without needing to pull out my reading glasses.
And what about a brake that can actually lock it up when at standstill waiting for traffic lights to change.
Hats off to Evolve for bringing new skaters into esk8 with there marketing...I still have my Hadean & enjoy riding it without any issues ever...👍😮
That's all well and good, but Propel boards are not known for randomly disconnecting from the remote in the middle of a ride or for using generic Chinese battery cells.
Diablo looks like a step forward with Samsung cells.
@@uhjyuff2095If it’s the Samsung 50g cells it looks like in the teaser video they’ll degrade fast with pretty much no power output.
Tbf evolve has a history for disconnecting and using generic Chinese cells too.
@@ajplant96 looks like 50s cells to me. I could be wrong.
@@uhjyuff2095 They are. I was referring to the Hadean where it was luck of the draw whether you got p42a cells or Lishen cells.
Obviously stretch every dollar. The Diablo looks very nicely marketed but at the moment I'm satisfied with what I've got. Great messages Fred, I hope people listen to it all.
I love my Toyota corolla!No bells and whistles,doesn't beep all the time,I drive to where I want ...thats what a car is for right?reliable transport?.I have a how old GTX evolve still love it,I don't exspensive board with no comebacks if things go wrong,I've seen most on the market these days and I'm really not interested in what's on offer to be honest,I'm a skater not a tech geek.
Bought my Diablo Renegade last night in the early bird sale! Can't wait to see how these bindings feel!
Hope you enjoy it dude. Stay safe.
Is some going to be upgrading from there evolve Hadean to a diablo. Is it worth it ??
Still havnt got to ride the Hadean. Really good video💯💯. Live and let ride bro🤘🤘
I really liked my 2 evolves until I had the well reported brake lock up. I could never trust anything from Evolve now unfortunately even though I really liked the boards.
This Review is one of the Best I have ever seen.
Well done bud!
I dont hate it, i just think it’s going to be overpriced compared to the competition. That being said the phase remote is my favorite in the game. Ive got two older GTR carbons that I bought both used 2 years ago and Ive put 1000 miles each board. One board was mint condition and i paid like 800.
Lately ive been really digging on my street wheel set up GTR 97Mm classic. Im 165 lbs and those little motors move me right along. Gets good street wheel range in a lightweight package. I live in bay area Cali there's used evolve boards here all day long. I also have an Acedeck and a Lacroix just to mention my credentials lol.
Bay area morgan hill here
The hater squads came out in droves.
😂
I owned so many boards in the last 10 years.
All the big namebrand’s.
People keep saying all these bad things about Evolve, but I’ve owned seven of their boards and only had one motor ever fail, never had a controller lose connection. Never had a bored snap in half. Never had an ESC give out and always had good customer service experience with them.
So I take everything I see online with the grain of salt because it isn’t my experience .
A lot of these other companies I bought boards from went out of business .
I wish this time around they would've at least given the option for TKP.
Very nice Video...
honestly , the Hadean has plenty of power and range for me. I also stopped buying boards right on release , because most brand drop prices significantly after, let say, 6 months. Happend to mee ont the GTR , then on the Hadean.
Evolve diablo vs Mboards endurance 2.0 plus LETS GO
@@jimmypatel1702 good idea. hit up mboards n request it!
Hey Freddy
I with you man , I totally agree with everything you said
have to stringly disagree with the smoothness of power on the hadean.
It's twitchy off the line then has no follow up power, like a burst current then nothing. Unless you mash the trigger it feels slow to me after the initial not so smooth kick.
@@ajplant96
I can’t handle that kick especially around pedestrians so I’ve always used a more user friendly custom setting, but a few weeks back I was down to the low percentage when it switches over to eco-mode and that initial kick nearly threw me off cause I didn’t realise it had switched over.
More like a Kia, my onrique constantly broke down until I returned it for a full refund. Comparing them to a Chinese based company is an insult to the chinese-based company not the other way around. Love your videos but I'm keeping it real.
Keep it real brother. Keep it real!
Exactly. Even fred talked about all the issues he had with his stoke after talking evolve up. Im glad hes enjoying evolve but everybody else is going to continuing valuing their money and health lol.
Utter NONSENSE. Have had 6 evolve boards in the family, covered thousands of miles between them with not one issue.
Did they say 200A ESC output!!? That's a lot of power... I mean they will have to limit to 180A for the batteries but even 180A is heaps. I won't be buying one as I only got 2nd hand Toyota Corolla money but it's nice to see them doing new stuff while staying true to their design philosophy. Their board has a lovely carve and is still light and compact enough to carry. Hopefully, it precipitates further esc development from the competition
That battery can’t do more than 80a without hitting its temperature limit, motors are capable of 140a at least but that 200a esc rating is just headroom
Swear this video had a longer discussion in the comment section.... 👀👀
I would keep it same price&up to 400 more than hadean just to sell many boards.
If it was 2400 I'd barely consider it
Evolve has grown to have a negative reputation for a reason. Only to new riders, evolve seems as it is the "creme de la creme"
I only see Hadean Bamboo decks snapping left and right these days.
Dont forget, they were originally charging 3K for the Hadean Carbon AT it its initial release, How could anyone respect that?
Evolve tries to move around like Apple, pretending to re-invent the wheel with every release while still using 2020 specs, it’s actually pretty impressive.
keep reading about evolve boards disconnecting from their remotes? have owned 2 GTR Bamboo’s for several years now and have NEVER had this issue (knock on wood) My experience has been 100% positive with the evolve boards…. so much so that I will be buying the Diablo. cant wait! 😅
I'd buy it it comes close to the omw calvary to me
Evolve is an overhyped company, I own a Hadean (actually my 1st esk8), my 2nd board I bought from a different brand for same price and was blown away with the difference in quality, power and performance, that was the day I walked away from considering buying another Evolve board, their boards are good, just over priced for the what you actuality get, opinions are just that, everyone has one
What's wrong with my toyota ute Fred 😢😂😮
Loved every single evolve board, GTR and Hadean, looking at the Diablo …. great quality and service, go go go evolve !
What a salesman Bravo. I might go back to Evolve but you should leave the last part out about you being a customer😂
why would i do that?
@@esk8unity I'm not gonna go over the video I already lose interest but I think you said at the end something about we as customers referring to yourself, which was funny and not a big deal, but WE the CUSTOMERS not YOU, all know you aint one. CUSTOMERS and PROMOTERS are different, Are you really asking me this question
@@dgor.1266lost interest yet here u are.. i am 100% a customer. if u watch my latest hadean review, u literally see my receipt. plz stop lying. dont ever assume with my products. You have no idea how much I buy for this channel/community . Buying or being given, its irrelevant because it will always be 💯 regardless . You just being wrong about this ONE product proves that. also, am i a “salesman” or am i just properly spoken with the truth u might not like?…. ✔️✔️✔️
@@esk8unity 🤣 I said it's not a big deal bro but you're BS with evolve is Noticeable, Receive with promotors means nothing bro, How stupid do you think we are, now with that being said Continue what you're doing leave it alone its not need for me to put on the lights
@@dgor.1266 so u see the receipt and still deny the facts lol. what bs? whats noticeable exactly? u just mad at the truth. stop playing it off as if u dont care yet here u are crying with ur negativity, jealousy and insecure perception. u got proven wrong, now beat it
Well said Fred
Evolve could be good at anything but marketing lol.
How much did Evolve pay you for this marketing ploy??
@@user-fx4pt5sr2d 1: didnt like the truth huh? 2: evolve dont need to pay anyone to do anything for them. they created there own successful business with plenty of solid networking. 3: we r a small channel, Evolve doesnt need us. ur mistaken this channel for Dkwan and Exway.. 4: if u think this is marketing, u dont know anything about business. 5: do u know what a “ploy” is? what about any of this video is a ploy? 6: How many fake youtube accounts r ya gonna make JJ? 😂
@@esk8unity Wo-berderchie big boy!