He also had so many team mates who were themselves world champions - rarely was he a straight number one and was always fighting his teammates - Rosberg, Andretti, Prost, Piquet, Hill, Hakkinen all became champions and de Angelis could well have done. Compare that to someone like Schumacher who never had a team mate who was a threat until his comeback.
@@samacw Schumacher would have destroyed every team mate he had. He was a bit like Sebastian Loeb. Loeb in his first full WRC season beat two world champion team mates. Schumacher in 1992 outscored every major driver bar Nigel Mansell who had a unbeateable car and was a champ that year. Michael almost outscored Patrese who was in the same car as Mansell. Michael head and shoulders above the rest in his era and it pains me to see him compared to someone like Nigel Mansell who lost against every decent teammate he raced with.
@@srxt6758 I don't know if this account is still going, but for reference to other account users. Schumacher almost always had a better car than Hakkinen, who was rated higher than him prior to F1, and often two cars better off in the wcc. The one year Hakkinen had the better car, he won the championship. Even in 99 when Schumacher broke his legs, Hakkinen was a clear margin ahead of him in the points. But Schumacher fangirls like this guy are so attached to their fascination with him that it's embarrassing. People like this guy will never acknowledge the favoritism Schumacher got from Bridgestone, giving an advantage comparable to what Mansell had. Mansell's 92 season compares favorably to any of Schuacher's titles especially when you consider how often mechanical problems the WIlliams had.
@@Wass_85 not sure about these 1994 cars but in 1999 they had about 950 hp on full boost and weighed around 700kg so very simular power to weight but the only thing these cars have on the modern f1 cars is top speed because they have less downforce
Whats the difference between that and Mario Andretti winning a champ car indy race, fly the next day and win a F1 race. Jauque Villinuve feat was the most difficult. Won Indy series. Won the Indy 500 and without ever driving a f1 car (And this was when they were at they're V10 era.) He wins the first race and of course beats Shumacher for the title. Shumacher didn't have the car that year of course, but he qualified fastest than Damon Hill consistantly.
vin, yes, but I think the difference was the impact via dominance that Mansell exerted in both the championships. He really did make the CART drivers look bad.
@@markmark5269 the difference is that in CART the dominance was all up to his driving skill wheres in F1 his car won the title for him. That Williams was so advanced nobody could even touch it. Im suprised he didn't win every race of the season. With Senna or Prost in that 92' Williams with him there would be no Mansell the champion and he would be playing the role of Bottas. There is no question had he retired after Prost whipped the floor with him in Ferrari that he would have walked out title less. Mansell lucked out into that car in 92' otherwise there would be no Mansell the champion. His CART title on the other hand is well deserved. Im sorry but I just can't take his F1 title seriously after he had been wipped off by every champion teammate he faced including a non champion Elio DeAngelis that only won 2 races in his career and then suddenly in 92' he was beating them all...
@@solidsnake7167 you can go kick rocks and write angry blog posts about what you want... especially if you want more danger. Nobody in the FIA gives two flying fucks what anyone has to say. 2020 was one of the best seasons of F1 and almost everyone agrees. If a black man winning and engines not sounding as good ruin the sport for you, it's on you.
I like Mansell. But newman hauss team was head and shoulders faster than everyone else. As for "showing how it's done" Obviously it's mostly kids on here. Back then their were more road courses than ovals. And remember Jacques Villeneuve came from Indy, and won first year with Williams. Montoya also came from Indy car, and still holds the fastest lap in F1 history.
The point was, perhaps, that Mansell was from F1, won the CART title immediately after being crowned WDC. Whereas Andretti only managed one podium finish before he got canned from McLaren.
Mansell went from Williams an unbeatable boring F1 season, directly into Newman haus that Andretti won the series the year before. Back then it was a joke. Overtaking was impossible. That was his style, but every move some backstop would take him out. As usual Euro's wanted him to fail. Euro's that come to the US are welcomed. Big difference. sterile frowns in F1, and smiling drivers in Indy. I wish he had gone to Williams.
Who is talking about Andretti? Whats wrong with you Euro's. Can you not read? Villenuve came from Indy to F! and won the Championship. What is so hard to understand?. And that was the Shumacher days. It was way more difficult to go from Indy to F1. He was only 23 years old.
It’s amazing how 30 years on, Road America hasn’t really changed at all. Aside from a few bridges in different locations, and some curbstones slightly altered, it’s still the same exact track.
Mansell went to the fastest Indy team, by far. Newman Haus won two years running with Andretti. People seem to forget Villnueve wan Indy then directly to win F1. Mansell at Newman Haus in Indy was always Mansell 1 and Mario 2. Mario was over 50 years old. That shows how good those cars were if a 52 year old can qualify 2nd..Michael in F1, he got no track time. Williams were impossible to beat. Senna was his teammate a known asshole.
vin russo no the reason Michael didn't succeed in f1 was because of the car. The 1993 McLaren MP4-8 was a good car except on the straights due to the lackluster Ford V8. Andretti didn't get enough track time and didn't adapt to the car well. He showed flashes of speed like donnington when when went round the outside of micheal schumacher and his podium in Italy. But he just didn't mesh well with the way the car drove. Also didn't help the McLaren was just entering a slump. Maybe he would have done better with the 94 car that didn't have active suspension but the 94 car had a crap engine. If he stayed till 94 and the MP4-9 had a decent engine, he and hakkinen could have done something. O well.
vin russo Micheal Andretti said on numerous occasions that Senna was nothing but nice and supportive to him. So whether Senna was an asshole or not I don't know but at least from what Micheal said Senna was never anything but nice and supportive of him. Micheal said it was his own fault for trying to stay in America part time during the season and not moving to England to be near the team. It just didn't fit for him and he made mistakes and didn't spend enough time adapting to the car and F1. It didn't help that McLaren fired him just as he was getting the hang of it and had had his first podium. I think in the end he was happier going back to America and CART.
Mansell I believe on his best days to be the fastest and bravest driver to ever step into a race car, ever. Thing was he had too many bad days to call him one of the greatest.
True. Balls like watermelons when he overtook Berger at the Peraltada corner in 90 and bloody quick at Silverstone 87(?) but also reversing in the pitlane and ignoring black flags and stupid overtakes. But on his best days... yep extremely fast, brave, and a unbelievable car control as well.
@Mark Mark . . . I agreed! Mansell's rookie year at Indy saw him grab the bull by the horns with working his way up the lead late in the race. Even the brush with the wall didn't deter his assertiveness on the Speedway. It was the cleverness of Emerson Fittipaldi that denied Mansell his win at Indy in 1993.
@dave41184 I think the car may have been set up to give you extra revs in qualifying as your not doing the full race you so can probably max the engine out but over a full race distance it would probably blow up
I've never seen this; that was incredible! Wow! Do I miss ChampCar. Would have loved to see Nigel in a 1996-ear high HP Champcar. Still, this was fantastic. Would really love to see F1 at Road America, but Bernie would ruin the track.
Mansell ran a 1.33, which was the record at the time. It was beaten in 1999, but Mansell had a manual gear box. No automatic downshift, everything manual. Those cars had a 1000 HP but to go to the edge was dangerous and Mansell was on the edge. New transmission and gear boxes are at least a couple of seconds a lap. Dario Franchini holds the lap record from 1999 with Team mean green, with a blistering 1.28. 2016 time was 1.34.
@@maloyo7901 Jeez, sorry I assumed you were a man! My point is that for some reason if F1 came to RA, they have a history of making demands of the track. Let's keep it the way it is. Nuthin' better than a weekend at the "National Park of Speed!" - p. s. Nice to have Indy Car back, though.
It's interesting that in similar period, Mansell, Senna, Piquet and other pilots were pretty interested on Indy due to the politics around F1. Damn, F1 managers must have been really out of passion at racing at that time. Knowing that, I wonder how much the current managers actually love motorsporting.
I think that is the biggest tragedy of the CART/IRL split, if it never happened then Indycar could of been a true equal rival to Formula 1. Imagine if a Hakkinen joined after F1, or a Schumi
Saying that (in the days when F1 existed) two Grand Prix drivers came from Indy and therefore Indy and American racing could match F1 (in the days when F1 existed) for allure and technical capacity is like saying that Formula Renault is the equal of F1 (whose home was the capitol of world motorsport: England - when it existed, obviously) because a couple of Formula Renault drivers advanced from lowly Formula Renault to the pinnacle of the art. Obviously, Indy doesn't exist anymore either, but it's still worth remembering what was what when things did exist. Americans would do well to learn that saying things loudly doesn't change the nub of the thing being said (only the volume), and, adding the word 'World' to domestic championships doesn't actually infer world-level competition. This track is very nice, though. It's not really like Spa. It's more like Brands Hatch melted into The Ring before they ruined it.
Modern f1 yeah but back then I think CART was, no power steering, no flappy pladdle gear boxes, close to 1000 hp and a good amount of dowforce but not enough for the car to be on rails, not to mention they did ovals, street circuits and normal circuits.
Just to settle down the Americans' umbrage at claims that England is better at everything, and especially motorsport, stoicism and military stuff. It is not true. Americans are better at tennis, films about moon landings, being bigger, and playing pool, but they can't compete at very advanced things like the cutting edge of racing, and they don't know how to cook fish and chips. Germans are also very good at engineering, but they also don't eat fish and chips. Japan, too, is a supremely productive country, but, sadly, again, no fish and chips. Nigel was better because he was tested by and against the best, all of whom worked or drove in Formula One back then. Americans tend to be insular yet they call things World Championships anyway, and if they can't win on an even footing, they simply obliterate, which seems to keep them satisfied so far. Happily, they don't need to obliterate F1, as it did that to itself, and it doesn't exist anymore. Yet again, America wins.
Indycar was awesome but you can really see that formula 1 is/was a step beyond it, the pinnacle of auto racing, a formula 1 driver in indycar is elite.
Road America...Our version of Spa.
FMichael1970 Great circuit in it's own right ,but yeah there are a lot of similarities to Spa.
@@chrish931 Easy one of the top 3 tracks in the world. Everyone loves it who goes or drives the "National Park of Speed". Closer than Spa, too.
Hell of a track
@@tokyosmash Yes it is!
Total legend. Won 31 gps against senna, prost, piquet et al back when f1 wasn't a videogame.
Very well said
He also had so many team mates who were themselves world champions - rarely was he a straight number one and was always fighting his teammates - Rosberg, Andretti, Prost, Piquet, Hill, Hakkinen all became champions and de Angelis could well have done. Compare that to someone like Schumacher who never had a team mate who was a threat until his comeback.
@@samacw Schumacher would have destroyed every team mate he had. He was a bit like Sebastian Loeb. Loeb in his first full WRC season beat two world champion team mates. Schumacher in 1992 outscored every major driver bar Nigel Mansell who had a unbeateable car and was a champ that year. Michael almost outscored Patrese who was in the same car as Mansell. Michael head and shoulders above the rest in his era and it pains me to see him compared to someone like Nigel Mansell who lost against every decent teammate he raced with.
@@srxt6758 yes with traction control a lot is possible
@@srxt6758 I don't know if this account is still going, but for reference to other account users. Schumacher almost always had a better car than Hakkinen, who was rated higher than him prior to F1, and often two cars better off in the wcc. The one year Hakkinen had the better car, he won the championship. Even in 99 when Schumacher broke his legs, Hakkinen was a clear margin ahead of him in the points. But Schumacher fangirls like this guy are so attached to their fascination with him that it's embarrassing.
People like this guy will never acknowledge the favoritism Schumacher got from Bridgestone, giving an advantage comparable to what Mansell had. Mansell's 92 season compares favorably to any of Schuacher's titles especially when you consider how often mechanical problems the WIlliams had.
I live 5 minutes from RA. Love the sights, sounds and of course smells!
It's crazy how the onboard seems faster than current F1 cars, the camera positioning is perfect.
Fun Fact: those cars where pretty much as fast as the F1 cars of today...with les downforce
@@ernestoguzman2673 nowhere near as fast mate.
@@ernestoguzman2673 Bullshit
@@Wass_85 not sure about these 1994 cars but in 1999 they had about 950 hp on full boost and weighed around 700kg so very simular power to weight but the only thing these cars have on the modern f1 cars is top speed because they have less downforce
@@Madrat-tw2in around a lap no Indy Car in history would get anywhere near the lap time of these current F1 cars.
Formula 1 World Champion and Indy Car Champion at the same time. Enough said.
Whats the difference between that and Mario Andretti winning a champ car indy race, fly the next day and win a F1 race. Jauque Villinuve feat was the most difficult. Won Indy series. Won the Indy 500 and without ever driving a f1 car (And this was when they were at they're V10 era.) He wins the first race and of course beats Shumacher for the title. Shumacher didn't have the car that year of course, but he qualified fastest than Damon Hill consistantly.
Are you gonna give him 6 years to reply? LOL!
vin russo no,in villeneuve's First f1 race ,in Australia,ne arriveranno 2nd behind hid team mate Hill,Who won also Championship that year,1996
vin, yes, but I think the difference was the impact via dominance that Mansell exerted in both the championships. He really did make the CART drivers look bad.
@@markmark5269 the difference is that in CART the dominance was all up to his driving skill wheres in F1 his car won the title for him. That Williams was so advanced nobody could even touch it. Im suprised he didn't win every race of the season. With Senna or Prost in that 92' Williams with him there would be no Mansell the champion and he would be playing the role of Bottas. There is no question had he retired after Prost whipped the floor with him in Ferrari that he would have walked out title less. Mansell lucked out into that car in 92' otherwise there would be no Mansell the champion. His CART title on the other hand is well deserved. Im sorry but I just can't take his F1 title seriously after he had been wipped off by every champion teammate he faced including a non champion Elio DeAngelis that only won 2 races in his career and then suddenly in 92' he was beating them all...
Mansell: GRANDE cojones.
This is the best circuit in the US. I really want see the F-1 in there...
That is bordering on suicidal.
That track was so bumpy,
Mansell was one fearless so-and-so
Wow, this is one really old comment. I agree though, this was bordering suicide, these guys were and are absolutely insane, true superheros.
Still better than today's F1.
Agreed
I bet you are vegan and liberal
@@LIGIERJS111979 What does politics have to do with a hot lap around a great track? Jeez....
MrStig691 you can have your soy boy shit. I want loud, dangerous, less mechanical grip, more power and greater top speed, v10s all day
@@solidsnake7167 you can go kick rocks and write angry blog posts about what you want... especially if you want more danger. Nobody in the FIA gives two flying fucks what anyone has to say. 2020 was one of the best seasons of F1 and almost everyone agrees. If a black man winning and engines not sounding as good ruin the sport for you, it's on you.
Awesome commentary by nige
awesome
I could hear the valve springs whimpering on the downshifts.
Almost a second quicker than anyone else in first quali 😮
What a driver ;)
tony george kill the american open wheel in 1996
What a fucker.
I like Mansell. But newman hauss team was head and shoulders faster than everyone else. As for "showing how it's done" Obviously it's mostly kids on here. Back then their were more road courses than ovals. And remember Jacques Villeneuve came from Indy, and won first year with Williams. Montoya also came from Indy car, and still holds the fastest lap in F1 history.
The point was, perhaps, that Mansell was from F1, won the CART title immediately after being crowned WDC.
Whereas Andretti only managed one podium finish before he got canned from McLaren.
"Won first year with willians" you really dont have a clue, do you?
Mansell went from Williams
an unbeatable boring F1 season, directly into Newman haus that Andretti won the series the year before. Back then it was a joke. Overtaking was impossible. That was his style, but every move some backstop would take him out. As usual Euro's wanted him to fail. Euro's that come to the US are welcomed. Big difference. sterile frowns in F1, and smiling drivers in Indy. I wish he had gone to Williams.
You don't know your history do you. Yes he won the Championship as a rookie with Williams. Damon Hill was his teammate. What are you, 12 years old?
Who is talking about Andretti? Whats wrong with you Euro's. Can you not read? Villenuve came from Indy to F! and won the Championship. What is so hard to understand?. And that was the Shumacher days. It was way more difficult to go from Indy to F1. He was only 23 years old.
It’s amazing how 30 years on, Road America hasn’t really changed at all. Aside from a few bridges in different locations, and some curbstones slightly altered, it’s still the same exact track.
If I’m not mistaken one of the brides was the one Gidley crashed into in 2001.
Holy sh*t that is FAST.
Changing the FW14B for this... thing must have felt like going back to the stone age.
Great race track though.
Yes but it also must be nice for a driver to go back to purer racing without all the gagets and gizmos
TICE123
Absolutely. Indycar in the nineties produced some great racing despite not being so technologically advanced as F1.
What's funny is that some indycar teams have test cars that have tech like sequential gearboxes while the race cars don't because of regulations.
Even my good man here is questioning his sanity, going through the kink at almost full song.
Love that comment, its so true ! :D
Outstanding driver.
Gillette World Sports Special memories. ☺️♥️
Nice to see a F1 driver showing the rest how it's done. Mansell was used to tracks like Spa and others and it really shows.
Mansell went to the fastest Indy team, by far. Newman Haus won two years running with Andretti. People seem to forget Villnueve wan Indy then directly to win F1. Mansell at Newman Haus in Indy was always Mansell 1 and Mario 2. Mario was over 50 years old. That shows how good those cars were if a 52 year old can qualify 2nd..Michael in F1, he got no track time. Williams were impossible to beat. Senna was his teammate a known asshole.
vin russo no the reason Michael didn't succeed in f1 was because of the car. The 1993 McLaren MP4-8 was a good car except on the straights due to the lackluster Ford V8. Andretti didn't get enough track time and didn't adapt to the car well. He showed flashes of speed like donnington when when went round the outside of micheal schumacher and his podium in Italy. But he just didn't mesh well with the way the car drove. Also didn't help the McLaren was just entering a slump. Maybe he would have done better with the 94 car that didn't have active suspension but the 94 car had a crap engine. If he stayed till 94 and the MP4-9 had a decent engine, he and hakkinen could have done something. O well.
vin russo Micheal Andretti said on numerous occasions that Senna was nothing but nice and supportive to him. So whether Senna was an asshole or not I don't know but at least from what Micheal said Senna was never anything but nice and supportive of him. Micheal said it was his own fault for trying to stay in America part time during the season and not moving to England to be near the team. It just didn't fit for him and he made mistakes and didn't spend enough time adapting to the car and F1. It didn't help that McLaren fired him just as he was getting the hang of it and had had his first podium. I think in the end he was happier going back to America and CART.
@@chrish931 And THAT'S how it went down! Nicely done.
He wasn't a F1 driver, but the F1 champion who destroyed all F1 drivers the year before.
i miss the turn 13 bridge
why?
@@donjohnson4723 A real tear-jerker. He's not alone. That bridge has developed a cult like status.
How crazy to see Kmart sponsoring anything they have less than 5 stores left in the US.
@Pariah186 exactly, no one else has ever done that have they?
Mansell I believe on his best days to be the fastest and bravest driver to ever step into a race car, ever.
Thing was he had too many bad days to call him one of the greatest.
True. Balls like watermelons when he overtook Berger at the Peraltada corner in 90 and bloody quick at Silverstone 87(?) but also reversing in the pitlane and ignoring black flags and stupid overtakes. But on his best days... yep extremely fast, brave, and a unbelievable car control as well.
@Mark Mark . . . I agreed! Mansell's rookie year at Indy saw him grab the bull by the horns with working his way up the lead late in the race. Even the brush with the wall didn't deter his assertiveness on the Speedway. It was the cleverness of Emerson Fittipaldi that denied Mansell his win at Indy in 1993.
No bro,
Nigel is the one and only driver to achieve this.
Keep it shiny side up
@dave41184 I think the car may have been set up to give you extra revs in qualifying as your not doing the full race you so can probably max the engine out but over a full race distance it would probably blow up
If you want to be quick on Forza 3 motorsport on the Road America course , memorise this video! certainly helped me be quick :)
@geds Got that right. Road America rocks!
@kers80bhp What I meant was does he use all the gears downshifting or just jam it say straight from 5th into 2nd?
Sounded like he went down two times so maybe skipped one in between
@kers80bhp Is the way he did it different? I mean it sounds like its over revving but he seems to be getting the most out of the engine all the time
@th3orist perfect for qualifying
I've never seen this; that was incredible! Wow! Do I miss ChampCar. Would have loved to see Nigel in a 1996-ear high HP Champcar. Still, this was fantastic. Would really love to see F1 at Road America, but Bernie would ruin the track.
Mansell ran a 1.33, which was the record at the time. It was beaten in 1999, but Mansell had a manual gear box. No automatic downshift, everything manual. Those cars had a 1000 HP but to go to the edge was dangerous and Mansell was on the edge. New transmission and gear boxes are at least a couple of seconds a lap. Dario Franchini holds the lap record from 1999 with Team mean green, with a blistering 1.28. 2016 time was 1.34.
Just say no to F1 at RA. Let's not wreck the best track in U. S. Agree wholeheartedly, my good man.
@@carlsaganlives5112 I'm not a man, but I can't argue this. F1 would wreck the track. Still, one can dream.
@@maloyo7901 Jeez, sorry I assumed you were a man! My point is that for some reason if F1 came to RA, they have a history of making demands of the track. Let's keep it the way it is. Nuthin' better than a weekend at the "National Park of Speed!"
- p. s. Nice to have Indy Car back, though.
@Gregz0r1 He certainly had big balls but listen to Gerhard Berger when he tried to use the grass to overtake.
Interesting how the wrong aspect ratio means you get oval tires on a road course.. :D
just watched 2022 indy race here and this car looks and sounds better and faster?
Because no aeroscreen which while absolutely necessary for driver safety makes the cars look ugly.
It's interesting that in similar period, Mansell, Senna, Piquet and other pilots were pretty interested on Indy due to the politics around F1. Damn, F1 managers must have been really out of passion at racing at that time.
Knowing that, I wonder how much the current managers actually love motorsporting.
I think that is the biggest tragedy of the CART/IRL split, if it never happened then Indycar could of been a true equal rival to Formula 1.
Imagine if a Hakkinen joined after F1, or a Schumi
Saying that (in the days when F1 existed) two Grand Prix drivers came from Indy and therefore Indy and American racing could match F1 (in the days when F1 existed) for allure and technical capacity is like saying that Formula Renault is the equal of F1 (whose home was the capitol of world motorsport: England - when it existed, obviously) because a couple of Formula Renault drivers advanced from lowly Formula Renault to the pinnacle of the art.
Obviously, Indy doesn't exist anymore either, but it's still worth remembering what was what when things did exist.
Americans would do well to learn that saying things loudly doesn't change the nub of the thing being said (only the volume), and, adding the word 'World' to domestic championships doesn't actually infer world-level competition.
This track is very nice, though. It's not really like Spa. It's more like Brands Hatch melted into The Ring before they ruined it.
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I think formula one should have gone there
this was real F1
thats indycar :) i think the f1 of that time was as great
lol, 180MPH at the kink. "ludicrous speed"
mrn4s - For that corner yes.
@@GregzVR Yes, sir! Heart misses a beat when you hit that kink almost full song, I bet. Ludicrous, indeed.
The F1 is the top about drivers ability.
Modern f1 yeah but back then I think CART was, no power steering, no flappy pladdle gear boxes, close to 1000 hp and a good amount of dowforce but not enough for the car to be on rails, not to mention they did ovals, street circuits and normal circuits.
Understeer? A little more front wing?
He showed how bad most American drivers are on road courses.
because the other guys dont know to drive other than oval, which is flat out........
Except the "other guys" had better results on the road and street circuits than Mansell, who mainly succeeded on the oval side of things.
Not all ovals are flat out
Just to settle down the Americans' umbrage at claims that England is better at everything, and especially motorsport, stoicism and military stuff. It is not true. Americans are better at tennis, films about moon landings, being bigger, and playing pool, but they can't compete at very advanced things like the cutting edge of racing, and they don't know how to cook fish and chips. Germans are also very good at engineering, but they also don't eat fish and chips. Japan, too, is a supremely productive country, but, sadly, again, no fish and chips.
Nigel was better because he was tested by and against the best, all of whom worked or drove in Formula One back then. Americans tend to be insular yet they call things World Championships anyway, and if they can't win on an even footing, they simply obliterate, which seems to keep them satisfied so far. Happily, they don't need to obliterate F1, as it did that to itself, and it doesn't exist anymore.
Yet again, America wins.
Indycar was awesome but you can really see that formula 1 is/was a step beyond it, the pinnacle of auto racing, a formula 1 driver in indycar is elite.