CMCW: Between Two Fahrbahns
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2021
- Who will win? A platoon of Starships or a company of T72s?
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Combat Mission Cold War is set in the tipping-point years of a conflict that gripped the world for 45 years. Between 1979-1982, both the NATO and Soviet Warsaw Pact militaries began the shift away from industrialized warfare of the early 20th century and towards the modern digital battlefield of today. Combat Mission Cold War simulates several “what if” conflict scenarios between US and Soviet forces centered on the strategic Fulda Gap and environs in West Germany.
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#CombatMissionColdWar - Hry
"This is World War Three. Collateral damage is not even a fleeting concern." That's a chilling thought.
Mutually Assured Destruction. Entire continents were considered collateral.
One of the first scenarios I played in Cold War. By the end the starship became one of my favourite units in all of Combat mission, between its interesting concept, that it is actually an effective vehicle in the game and how cool I think it looks.
They don’t break down in game..
Great video showcasing the mass-centric doctrine of the soviets!
Informative and entertaining content as always. Really appreciate the shout out, it's funny hearing myself referenced in one of your videos after having watched your content for a few years. It's what got me into CM in the first place!
*tips hat* :)
Between two Fahrbahnen would be more accurate tough.
Zwischen zwei Fahrbahnen :)
@@backleft4917 Exactly.
I do love the look of the M60A2 in a weird way. It looks so ugly it looks cool! I do love the look of the T-72 more though.
I love the M60A2 for some damn reason. Built a Tamiya 1/35 model of one as a teen and just thought it looked cool. So great to be able to finally see them in action.
Excellent video. I really liked seeing the scenario from both perspectives. One thing you might want to consider in future is doing a video or set of videos where you play the same scenario from both perspectives and discuss the differences. You do a particularly good job of explaining *why* you do what you do, so it could be really interesting to see this for both sides in a good scenario.
Freaking love this, keep up the good work man! Also thanks for reacting to my poll on a Few Good Men!
Very nice! I really enjoyed Megalon Jones's videos of this mission, and its interesting to see just how different the outcome can be with the human intelligence in the other seat.
Amazing work, can't wait for the next one! Demolishing that building to get the tank behind it... I don't know what to say, other than that you're a god damn genius and this is why we're all watching! Hahaha
I love this game above all others. It’s MechWar 2 in 3D.
I liked the way you made your own terrain with smoke and the artillery barrage, the ground terrain is quite limited. I like to think of "Soviet mass" as a function of being the attacker (which drives doctrine) and need a superiority of weapons (gun/ATGM tubes say in a tank or gun line) vs defender, and I'd expect Amies to use "mass" if they were attacking too, as well as being enabled by technology driven accuracy and lethality. Thumbs Up!
I've been hanging for this one from the USSR side. Thanks for stepping up to do it.
Huh, the Shillelagh missiles seem too accurate in comparison to reality. Also, as a question/video suggestion, how do you deal with impatience and with the feeling of having to fit into a schedule in game? I thinks it's a big issue for many new players like me, where even though a mission gives me 2 hours to complete it, I feel like if I'm being too slow but end up finishing with still too much time to spare, and with probably having commited some mistakes that might have been prevented by just wating.
I have the same questions, seeing if there's a good way to circumvent this.
I think it mostly comes down to experience. As rule in scenarios, I'm usually cautious to begin with and then have to rush towards the end.
That's a really good question. Fights are often really tough early on but there's usually a tipping point if you keep the pressure on and you've got the tactics right. Then things happen really quickly. Also, keep your eyes on the main prize. Often a secondary objective can be ignored.
I'm confused by the ineffectiveness of soviet ATGMs. A soviet ATGM operator had to achieve 998 simulated hits out of 1000 shots on the simulator before being allowed to fire two live missiles of which both had to hit. Only then were they certified as an ATGM operator. In the end operators could guide one missiles through several paper targets on the range. In the game the hit statistics look like they're from a 3rd world country, where the operators received barely any training.
@@hermannabt8361 Not only is accuracy on the range always considerably better than in combat, but in game troop quality is controlled by their experience rating rather than a flat "ATGM operators got X level of training". Naturally there will be troops at different stages in their training cycles, recalled conscripts who have forgotten everything, limited simulator time (limitations to simulators!) and other priorities, so variation in the quality of troops in CM is realistic.
For fun take this scenario, rename it, then swap out different forces for the same assault. M60A1 RISE+ versus T64B for example. Also replace normal artillery with cluster artillery, make it a night battle or in fog, in August when trees offer max concealment. I even tried one version using the giant Tyulpan 240mm mortar. o-:
I won the Fahrbahn scenario as the US vs the AI fairly easily though with noticeable casualties. My thoughts afterwards was same as yours to try it as the Soviets. I haven't done it yet but I did do it with Brauersdorf. As the US vs the AI, I won Brauersdorf with a total victory in around 20 minutes . Then arranged a PBEM with myself as the Soviets. I barely managed a tactical victory and it was tough. That scenario is not ideal at all for the classic USSR tactics. Although others are probably better than I in using USSR tactics. I have gradually concluded over several games that M901s are much more effective vs the AI than against a human player. Same with Soviet vehicle ATGMs. Hard to use any vehicle mounted ATGM effectively vs a human player.
HEAT rounds don't burn through their targets. They punch through.
A figure of speech i believe. Hapless has a video where he talks about shaped charge weapons and he seems pretty knowledgeable.
Collab with Free Whiskey!
I have been surprised how ineffective the TOW missile is in Cold War, having got used to it being lethal in Black Sea.
Tbh they are earliest versions of TOW, but still quite weird.
TOW has definitely come a long way!
Really? I find TOWs to be extremely effective in CW being able to le errata anything with good accuracy, whereas in BS it’s getting to be a bit old among drones and PGMs.
@@mumblerinc.6660 Well, I'm in a game right now and my T-64 has taken 10, count'em, 10 TOW shots in the face and all it's done is knock out the gun. The Dragon seems to be much more effective in Cold War.
@@jobu88Are you certain it's taking TOW hits, and not some other ATGM? I guess what I'm asking is how are certain all 10 are TOWs? In my experience, I've seen a T-72 and some T-64's in excellent hull down positions take about a dozen Shillelagh hits (check out Requin's video if you want to see that), and another took around 5-6 Dragon hits before the units ran out of ATGMs. But I've never seen something take that many TOWs and live. They usually survive if the shot is bad or hits the gun mount, but it's never been 10+ hits, or even close. I'd say the most I've seen something take is 2 or 3 TOWs. I guess it's possible that a fluke like that could happens but that's not really normal. And once the improved TOWs enter the scene, shrugging them off is much less plausible.
Just don't do that with the smoke when the M1 and M60A3TTS materialize or they will just thank you for easy kills.
Yep. The thermals are a game changer.
@@usuallyhapless9481 This and my experience in Steel Beasts really hammers home how big of a mistake that the Soviets made in not putting an effort into creating their own thermal imaging systems.
Great video. I'm surprised the scenario uses T-72s, I don't believe they were used by the GSFG.
Small typo in the title. It should be "Between two Fahrbahns" rather than "Between two Fahrbarns"
Good spot! I obviously went in phonetically and never checked.
In Megalon Jones Slattery's video of the same mission, the AI player of the red force pushed forward in three waves without waiting for the following-up platoons to arrive, without proper the recon and engaging from distance, which allowed blue force to destroy their T-72s in movement.
Don't know whether it is possible, but it would be interesting to see some H2H battles, a properly operated red force playing out against human players.
I have a good multiplayer battle showing how NOT to play as the red force in CMCW ;)
@@usuallyhapless9481 Huhuh I bet folks'd love to watch that too.
@@ranhu7101 I hope so, it's coming.
YES FINALLY
Hey, Usually Hapless, I've been interested in getting into Combat Mission for a long time, but when I went to check the prices I was kinda shocked at how much all of the games plus their expansions cost. Is there a reason they are priced so high and most aren't on Steam?
Is it worth getting, even with the cost?
Best thing to do is to download one of the demos and try it out. On the value side, I've owned CMBN for over a decade and not even played through half the content yet... there's not a lot of games I can say that about.
I've enjoyed this as both the US and the Ruskies. It's a slight annoyance that the BMPs don't seem to fire their HE rounds to shell the buildings, so a lot of their firepower is wasted, or they foolishly let go their ATGMs instead.
A small lingustics question. Is 'attrit' supposed to be pronounced 'ah-TRITE' (rhymes with height) or 'ah-TRIT' (rhymes with sit)? or is the pronunciation dependent on which side of the pond you reside?
As far as I can tell, Attrit and Attrite are two different ways to verb attrition. So, anything goes!
3rd company popping its cherry
Any idea when this will release for Steam, if at all?
When Slitherine have sorted out a modernised PBEM system for it.
It's very much out.
Hey, how are you all playing this? I just went to get it on steam and steam says it's not out until September?
It was released back in April here: www.battlefront.com/cold-war/
The Steam version was supposed to be released at the same time, but Slitherine are working to implement a better multiplayer system and it's taking longer than anticipated. It should be well worth the wait, but if you want to play in the meantime you can always buy from Battlefront, which will get you a free Steam key when it comes to Steam.
@@usuallyhapless9481 ah, thank you!
@@usuallyhapless9481 Not sure if you will have the answer, but has there been anything said about whether people playing via Steam will be able to play with people playing through the stand alone battlefront version?
@@Skringly In theory, both Steam and BF versions will use the same Slitherine PBEM system, so as long as two players are patched ot the same version, I think it should work.
Of course, if you own the BF version you'll get a free Steam key anyway so...
Probably said this before, but....you are terrifying.
Well, when it goes well I might be...