The Purpose Of Anime - (Or: How To Analyze Anything)
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"We live in a society" - Digibro 2018
Stay woke
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People die if they are killed.
2:57 Solanin
3:31 Boogiepop (+Twin Peaks)
4:41 Genkaku Picasso
5:06 After Hours
5:31 Children of the Whales
6:04 Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
7:46 Disappearance Diary
8:13 Azumanga Daioh
8:54 Akira (+Neon Genesis Evangelion)
10:16 A Girl on the Shore
(+Fetish talk 11:13 )
(+Cynicism talk 12:12 )
13:16 Neon Genesis Evangelion
14:54 Monogatari (+Gurren Lagann, +Darling in the Franxx)
15:46 Genshiken (+Otaku talk 16:20 )
(+All-Anime-The-Same talk 17:40 )
(+Digi's-Individuality talk 20:00 ) (+zen huxtable recommendation CZcamsr)
24:10 I Am a Hero
24:37 Blade of the Immortal
24:54 Gunslinger Girl
(+Entropy talk 25:18 ) (+Star Trek)
(+Uniqueness talk 26:40 )
'Hope my unnecessary work helped you.
Thanks Saiki
Noice
Hero without cape
ThePiemaker the one we need but not the one we deserve
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Pessimism of the Intellect
Optimism of the Will
The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association I'm surprised and pleased to see Gramsci on Digibro's comment section
David O'Hara it's all about subtlety
- I've got three kinds of prognosis. The optimistic, the pessimistic and the realistic one.
- How they differ?
- The realistic is twice as bad as the pessimistic one.
I'll fight them. I'll fight them until I die.
@@RadicalShiba1917 gramsci sucks ass lmfao
Honestly this is one of your best vlogs ever
I wouldn't call it the best, personally, but it is the type of shit I appreciate the most from Digi: long-form, thought provoking, and real.
omg, this video made me realize that I'll never be a true egotist until I have my own name on a shirt. Brb.
You name reads like "sew", as in "i'm gonna go sew my name on a shirt". Language is neato.
u a disgrace to lolicons everywhere
how mean. Some of us are actually so SELFLESS that we need our name written on our shirt just to remember to have a sense of self.
You are not a true egoist until you read Stirner.
HUNDmiau s p o o k
Fed and Bred should be the name of your next album.
"I don't like reading manga. A chapter is too short, a volume too long"
its called character development
@@ashtara6111
And it's art.
A bit reductive but nice. You forgot the ability of art to help us come to terms with the nature of our own existence. Self acceptance and social congruence are just two of the multi faceted perspective of artistic expression. fundamentally you have the meaning and nature of the self, the meaning and nature of community and the meaning and nature of reality. Additionally you have the interactions of these concepts, for example; what is the self in the context of community, what is community in the context of the self, what is the community in the context of reality etc etc. Overall there are 15 distinct perspective a piece of art can take not just the two (or possibly three) you mention.
Yeah, agreed. It took me about half a second to have knee-jerk reaction of, "uh, no, I think we have art about more things than that" and another second or two to think of a few examples. So, I like the video, as far as it goes, but quite incomplete and starting off with an obviously faulty premise didn't really get me off to a good start with this one.
Yeah, y'all are totally on-point. I was really surprised to hear DigiBro make that assertion.
Wait a minute, this isn't digibro after dark
notis balatzis right!? When was the last time we saw Digi sipping a beer and talking high-minded bullshit at the camera on the main channel?
It is now!! I think he realized that lots of people fuck with his After Dark shit a lot too plus he cant make 30 heavily edited videos this month, can he?
He's not longer in the dark. Now he's woke af
I want an Isekai that isn't just escapism, where the neet protagonist doesnt just use his godlike abilities, but actually learns something about people and society that carry over into the real world, and it ends with him waking up in a hospital or some shit, having realized that society is worth living in and that he can be worth something to people. You know, to maybr actually help those neets watching it in a way.
i bet most NEET don't want that. i have a feeling that these types of people don't want to take responsibility for their lives.
Classix this would be an interesting series but like Bonfire-chan said, this might not have an audience.
Classix I think that's what Isekai is actually supposed to be,but quickly got misunderstood.
Classix Do it yourself xD
Bonfire-Chan Definitely. But it doesn't matter what they want. They do what they want and their lifes are miserable and pathetic.
I think the purpose of art (at least, _narrative_ art) is to reason out conflicts, show why they happen, and resolve them in ways that make them better understood. It just so happens that society is an ENORMOUS source of conflict in people's lives; in this way, I can see the point of this video applying! But I think it's reductive to imply there haven't been narratives about simply _overcoming nature,_ for instance.
"I'll be releasing a new video every day"
"Oh, so they're going to be like short 5 minute videos like yesterday"
27:36
these glasses absorb the soul of those who look into it for too long
Clicked for the Hachikuji thumbnail
Edit: Stayed because it's a good video
That shelf. A Hunter S. Thompson novel six inches away from Azumanga Daioh. The duality of man.
Mindful consumer to content creator - this is the stuff I subscribe to you for.
I was kept in a dark hole for a week, given no sustenance, and then pulled out of that dark drab cell and forced to run a marathon. I've collapsed and begun to claw my way through dirt as cold rain suddenly comes and turns it to mud. I curl into the fetal position and begin to tremble, as my body has decided to eat itself. A wild Digibro emerges. Dude hands me a sandwich.
That's the best I can describe how watching a good Digibro video feels.
Chris Carbine I know bro... I know.
I never really thought about it like this, but you nailed the reason I watch the anime I watch. It scratches my existential itch and gives me a means to relate to myself and the world around me. And there's so much more here.
Just...excellent video, Digi. Thank you.
I'm really liking this Digibro MIAMAFV
I see Hachikuji....
I do nothing because she is 9
ackshually she's 22
elee she must watch a lot of pewdiepie
AHGKCHUWALLEE...
she's a ghost. Who knows how long she's been wandering.
I'm 22 though.
She's legal
This is so sad alexa play All Star.
Ultimately, I disagree with your thesis, though I struggle with shaping the right words to explain why in a way that clearly shows my point of view. For now.
Anime is what everyone needs. I got like 11 people at my job to start watching. Take note; wear anime graphic T shirts to work every day and people will start asking lol
haha (: yea i wear anime shirts everyday actually, feels kool to kinda show that you like something to that extent.
ps123fan exactly!
Good discussion overall, and I'm glad you're talking about this. However, I do think it's over-simplifying to say that all art is about relationship to self and society. Storytelling and painting are older than civilization, after all. There's also relationship to the universe at large, and/or the divine. Daisuke Igurashi's excellent manga "Children of the Sea" is a great example. In fact... I think you could also include "society" as part of the larger universe. Some art is completely abstract, and is more about communicating emotion than any logical message (although I suppose that could qualify as relationship to the self). Then you've got post-modernist works, which are all about portraying society and the self as meaningless constructs, and... I also think people were complex to begin with. I mean, we were definitely thinking about our relationship to each other and the world pre-civilization. Oh, and one interesting thing - one theory about why we developed society? Alcohol. Basically, we settled when we realized we could grow crops to make it. I don't know if I go along with that, but... it's interesting.
Literally the next video I clicked on is about the farming theory: czcams.com/video/3fN5109BfLs/video.html
The mind is pessimistic, the heart optimistic. Finding the balance is difficult.
This unique way of analyzing the core messages of anime is what drove me to click the subscribe button on this channel. That's your uniqueness. You don't review what is popular just for the views, you give your honest opinion on what makes you like or dislike and anime or manga, while deconstructing its message, being it either conveyed by plot, visuals, characters, whatever. I've found countless great animes from your channel that I would never hear about just looking across the web for what was the most popular at the moment. Many times I also ended up not liking some of your suggestions, but I could at least understand through your reviews why you had liked them, and those reviews were always entertaining to watch regardless.
"I think it's healthy to be cynical" -Digibro 2018
I thought it was fap material...
is it not?
Ohhhhh here we go, Digi's here to flex that analytical brain
A N I M E G A ME R S O C I E T Y
18:49 No, you're right about language too. The human psyche is, as you say, far too complex to be boiled down into a set of words - even hundreds of thousands - and as such miscommunication is inherent to being. No one will ever *truly* be able to "cut to the heart of the matter" when communicating with others. Wittgenstein has written some really interesting stuff about this.
Gallowglass I think he corrected himself to not imply that "language" necessarily means "words."
+ttechuv Speech is largely just the audible application of language, unless you're making inarticulate sounds in an attempt to communicate yourself.
Thats a large part of what Oregairu is about, but he hated that show and misunderstood all of the themes
Gallowglass have you ever heard the terms "cinematic language" or "musical language"
+ttechuv Musical languages are largely constructed and no one uses them, unless you're referring to tonal languages. Cinematic language is a descriptive term which boils down to how the filmmaker communicates his or her message to the viewer - it has less to do with language and more to do with the overall presentation of a film, though. I think it's safe to say Digi's referring to language in general terms in this instance.
Use of a meta lens focused on the question of why results in most stories being about us just trying to understand and how we get by while on the ride. Its an interesting prospective even if a bit reductive to keep the video a sane length. I agree that in text you would not have been able to make your point without sounding overly pretentious causing your point to be totally lost. Kinda sad that we at our roots we desire connection and understanding but, attack what we don't understand.
Thank you Digi. These broad-analyses are why I’m still watching your videos.
As someone who has been seriously stuck in a loop between the states of (1) being motivated to create, consume, analyze, etc. and (2) stagnating in pessimism ("Everything is the same, so why try to distinguish myself in a(n) industry/world that's already so oversaturated?"):
Thank you for stating both the purpose of art and the optimistic approach. I appreciate your outlook. Definitely referring to this in the future and looking forward to watching your other content!
The first ghost in the shell manga's ending conversation with the puppetmaster was that work that gave me the sense of 'the world of other people and my place in it.' and watching hideo kojima use MGS2's story and marketing to actively troll his audience to teach them a lesson about information control taught me about how an artists real voice is their differences from other artists and those differences can often be misinterpreted as flaws. Totally see what you are getting at and am totally fine with you leaning into your weird analytical brain as I also have one of those and wouldn't want to hide it from my fanbase to seem more marketable either.
Such a great video, resolving all stories into two main themes seems so obvious now that you’ve stated it
This is fascinating. I love how you have a very organized school of thought for analyzing anime. In this respect I feel you're ahead of your time and in 50 years many serious critics will present similar analysis in university classes.
Don’t trust people with anime profile pictures.
Got it! So... I don't trust you on this! ...does that mean I should trust you that I shouldn't trust you? Errr?!?! Uh, my brain hurts.
11:18 is that a BestGuyEver cut. I see u Gonzo
The main channel is becoming more like the after dark channel and I LIKE it :D it feels like you're finally using your true voice without worrying about being "official".
As an aspiring CZcamsr and anime blogger this was really helpful in motivating me to create content that is written in my own voice. Thanks so much for making this video.
I love this video, and i love your work. Being said that i want to add, even if i look like an idiot, that even if at the core of art lays it's relationship with the human experience the reality is that said experience, as well as the enviroment where it's partaken, is so infinitely complex that maybe no amount of art will be enough to comunicate everything, and i'm glad for that even if it turns to be the cause of mediocre art to exist. After all everyone was a newcommer at some point and you need a place to start from. It takes years of effort and dedication to have your level of worldliness about any given subject and that's what i admire about you.
this video is a masterpiece, at first i didn't agree with what you were saying but i started realizing your point and i just thought "oh fuck this is the thing i was searching for, this is the unexplainable point of art that i was trying to understand" truly i can't thank you enough for this.
I want to train my brain like a muscle in order to find new and innovative ways of expressing my hatred and dependence on art. Just like you do for anime.
Good to have you back. Your analysis of your own clickbait-y titles is spot on from my perspective. If I hadn't found you before your titles went that way, I would have ignored you as just another anime youtuber. But you're not. Your stuff is just better. As long as you keep making stuff unique to you, I'll keep supporting you.
you healed my boredom for the next 27 minutes
This is probably the best video I've ever seen on CZcams, thanks bro
Actually being fed and breeding are not sufficient for man to subsist. Without social ties, competition and cooperation, you might as well off yourself (good thing we got the internet!). People are a playful bunch. Now if only we analyzed empiric reality and drew the conclusions for how to arrange markets and cooperation to serve the playful nature of the people. Japan is an interesting case study there with looming implications for the rest of the world (unless we reflect also on economics): privatedebtproject.org/view-articles.php?Are-We-Facing-a-Global-Lost-Decade-14
That is exactly why I really like anime. It's about the way the story is told and how I percieve it. And anime is a really different perspective, that I am used to.
That is also why I really absorbed warhammer 40k books. I mean the key concept is "space inquisition". It's so over the top, it inherently brings brings out caricatures of the explored concepts and makes them accessible through this very disconnected "absurd" point of view. There is sex and gore and hope and dreams. Fanatics and rationalists. Blind faith and sceptics that would burn worlds in doubt. I love it.
Also, straight up this is my favorite digibro video idk it was just fucking pure in message and thought
Holy shit digibro hearted my comment. No more life goals, I’m a fucking fulfilled man from here on out the world is beautiful, im going to eat burgers everyday, smoke a lot of weed, and die with beard to my toes while jumping off a cliff, remembering that it was at this moment my life became amazing. (No but really i cant fanboy enough ty for existing lmao)
Wut?
Edit:I really liked it when you said:"This is not the first book" or "I haven't actually read this one".Idk,I think I like it because you're open.
You kind of went through my manga collection picking out the society stories I didn't resell at a later date. Hit the nail on the head.
a 30 mins main channel video, myyy diiiiiick
Thanks Digi, keep it up
Well Digi, you reeled in at least one of the right fish. I agree with, and second everything you've just talked about. It's a mantra I've maintained for years, prior to watching this, and I've gotten into many arguments with people about it. Glad to know you're fighting the same fight.
So besides the content of the video, which I really enjoyed listening to, I also forgot that I had some chill lo-fi beats on in the background because it went so well with the commentary in the video. Maybe an idea for music to have in the background of future videos like this?
I think it's better if people can just choose whatever background music they like. Maybe I'll put noted reminding people to try that at the start lol
Good call! Sort of like a "Choose your flavor of music" for analytical thinking and such.
Agreed, great presentation choice. It shows you stand behind your opinion.
The second I heard that can opening I fell straight into a state of pure zen.
There's a danger in thinking you can boil art down to a very simple thing because the simpler you get the more nuance you lose. Maybe you can categorize every piece of art in these two categories but at some point the it becomes meaningless. Basically this video was all over the place and I disagree with a bunch of it. Hey, maybe I didn't get it.
Pretty sure the point was that since you can boil it down to very basic premises, it's of value to focus on the distinct ways it conveys those.
Dandvadan bus. But that is equally as vague, and obvious! and digibro has to clarify in the description to finally get the thesis of the video out there. But even then he specifically talks about the fetish, the super specific parts, and diminishes everything that is more broad but maybe equally compelling to some people. He says ' why people like that basic shit?' when the answer is completely obvious and goes against the thesis.
My problem with the video is that it takes too long and it sounds too complicated and 'intellectual' to convey the "deep and nuance" \s point that art deep down is a vehicle to understand ourselves but we still enjoy it because of the different ways it does it and the approaches and perspectives it has. Which is not something that needs much argument.
Also have in mind that I've watched lot of his after dark videos, also long videos, also sort of rambl-y, but never until this one I got this problem. Always except for this one the point is easy to see and there's not much unnecessary complexity added to explaining the point and argument.
I am loving your content lately! Keep up the great work
One fundamental issue I had with this (cue long-windedness) is the starting premise that "We all basically want the same things". You arrive at this assumption by saying that if we strip away all the human elements we want to eat and fuck. And, well, yeah.
But the interestingness in art often comes from the complexities that emerge when you take these other things into your art (see basically any well known piece of political art). It's odd because you kind of contradict yourself by, in several different ways, acknowledging these ideological differences... differentiate people (which means we aren't all the same except on the trivial level of personal survival).
What I mean to suggest is that, if we think of ourselves as all the same at the baseline, then the fact that we diverge in any way is where fascination arises. I think that because people tend to think of us as fundamentally different, as opposed to--maybe not "superficially" but more, different because of society and its influence as opposed to at the baseline--it's harder to conceive of all art as basically trying to sate the same base need for people with different perspectives.
Otaku Gonzo Journalism: Ah well then I basically agree. Some of your statements make more sense to me now. The video was nice, props.
I don't think Society and how we fit into it, is the largest category that all stories fit into, nor do I think it is always the best lens to examine a story by. Society seems more like a setting than anything else. You could have the same general story in different times and different places. Much like the movie Shaka Zulu is a Greek tragedy set in an African society.
You made a great point, but there's already the concept of "The Hero's Journey" which shrinks all stories down if you're good at analyzing things. Jordan Peterson presents it rather well, but you can also read Joseph Kampbell's book or some Jung.
Zen huxtable is actually fucking amazing, he needs to fucking get more recognition it’s criminal
So why do we have to try to escape entropy? Maybe entropy is fine. Things are supposed to decay & be replaced.
20+ minutes is why I enjoy your content so much, I feel like I'm just spectating you and you try to understand the mediums.
Add a clear and defined thesis statement at the start and this gets a lot better
the thesis statement is the title bro
SupremeLord Popo it’s in the description, really. And he touches on those elements a lot in the beginning of the video, but I do think him saying it would’ve been nice
naw we gotta BREAK THROUGH conventional writing schemas to return back to the eclectic, megalomaniacal ramblings that are brains actually want us to say at every second of the day
@njd;ojvkljvj Yes that is clear, but it goes undefined.
Alternative title: digibro becomes a modernist.
You just realised an entire philosophical ontology to describe peoples perception of reality through anime analisys and its pretty neat, congrats
but you cannot take that for granted since deconstructing and comparing with other systems is the best way of making your system more healthy and interesting
quite frankly, we need more digi videos like this.
This was a legitimately challenging video. Well done.
Speaking of Game Logic applying to real life, I came to a revelation that life is a lot like a video game.
In video games, the best players look at the problems in their gameplay, and try to consciously figure out how to deal with that problem and improve.
Just like real life.
I got something entirely different from Solanin, but interesting to hear that's what you got. I get how you could arrive there, the subjectivity of what different people can take away from/view as the point of any given work is what makes all of this worthwhile.
You know Digi, it IS your one of the most (if not 'the most') important anime-related video this year. Thank you for sharing it. Looking at the 99% of the comments makes me sad tho :((
I'm working on a set of stories where the very concepts of stories manifest as energy beings that grant power, and after seeing this video I'm thinking that I should probably just lean all the way into the dual thematic metaphor (story structure warps and hampers the reality of fictional universes vs. stories and the way we engage with them in a culture have tangible effects on our lives). I mean, I'm not going to get far pretending that vaguely lampshading characters' overpoweredness by an explanation that's really a tautology when you break it down _isn't_ my fetish.
Subarashi. I feel enlighted and overwhelmed at the same time.
What people want is entertainment. Ease life. If you can't get that fact, then why question to begin with? We all want to avoid boredom. That's why people make videos. And in your case, as you said previously, you want money.
Wow, I realized something...
Digi has some real kick-ass shades.
What is this channel and how did it end up in my subscriptions?
He might have reaffirmed your opinion on an anime you liked some time ago. That or you're just as weird as the rest of us.
Gosh, when you used Fantano as an example you really drove into the heart of the problem.
Alright! That was pretty great dude. A straightforward but not simple breakdown of the purpose of art and how it should be handled. Keep it up, this month's content is gonna be awesome.
Socieeettyyyyyy, the social society we all live in MAN! is all a show, society man, society! *craaawling in my skin*
you just earned a lot of brownie points. thanks for this
The digibro channel changed a lot after the hiatus, and that frightened me. Yeah. I was afraid i would unsubscribe due to the language shift...
but your change was for good. People are frightened by change, and that is one of the core things in coming to age stories... If that's how you feel you should be doing, keep going because you're awesome.
it may not be the case, but it feels like you have grown a new level of understanding somehow, and i felt enlightened by your speech. Thanks for the video
You selling that DIGI-BRO shirt, mate?
We know what art is. It's PAINTINGS OF HORSES!
...I see Hachikujesus on the thumbnail, I cLICK
As a general rule of thumb, I avoid watching any anime youtuber unless it's anime memes or short clips. Especially reviews etc. But I watch your videos on occasion. And I always appreciate how you represent yourself intelligently and cogently.
With love,from a non-subscriber
Hands down the best video you've made.
"I had a professor once who liked to tell his students that there were only 10 different plots in all of fiction. Well, I'm here to tell you he was wrong. There is only one: 'Who am I?'"
Richard Feynman (not to appeal to authority) that it only takes *one* counter example to prove a theory wrong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_(narrative)#Man_against_nature Man vs Nature. No society. You have a faulty premise (and an incorrect theory) in starting by saying that all art deals with society.
Lately there has been a lot of content on your channel. Hopes the Pattern does it part and you have some help in the editing room.
Don't burn yourself out, your content is gold, and what's better to keep it coming matters the most.
Fabien Glasse he said a few videos ago that he was going to upload a video for every day in the month of August, which explains the clip of the content (also why all the videos are Digi throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks)
I'm still watching the video but I wanted to say that I want that shirt before I get to the end of the video and forgot to comment about it.
I feel like if Digi just duct tapped himself to a wall and film himself talking, his points would still get across.
Great video Digi, Manga Mondays sure has come a long way.
this is my second favourite video of yours! right behind the 'Objectively Good Doesn't exist' one, thanks
I like it, when Digi goes full philosophy.
Jesus Christ, you could beat goats to death with that Azumanga Daioh volume... :O
I hope Digi catches up in the Monogatari series. Because when I thought about the last 2 seasons I realized he really doesn't know what's happening in the series. It's still being very personal for the characters. I think there was only maybe 3 arcs at the most that were linked to society as a whole more than the main character of that arc.
An anime I can recommend with a relatable main protagonist is hikigaya hachiman from
Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru
His philosophy on society is both interesting and relatable
This video has more interesting and engaging topics then what I’ve “learned” in any of my college classes. Thanks man
Woah... I just stumbled into a Gundam style existential monologue... I kinda like it