HOI4 How to Use Aircraft Carriers and Plane Compositions
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- have you ever gotten so mad at hoi4 as japan or use just because after building up for years you finally get to use your navy but boom, you just lost all your carriers and half your fleet in one battle. well now im going to cover how to use aircraft carriers in hoi4 with the waking the tiger dlc for hearts of iron 4. Someone asked me to do this video covering plane compositions for aircraft carriers in hoi4 so i decided to make a how to play hoi4 video covering 2 topics instead of just one on how to make a air wing or plane composition, and then how to effectively and correctly use aircraft carriers in hoi4
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All those naval invasion plans scare me
I know I’m pretty late to this but I’m playing in my own game as the US preparing to naval invade Japan and only 2 of my plans will assign divisions to the orders the rest just brake, so I’m trying to get fighter 3s/jets over Mainland Japan and they don’t have enough range so I’m here.
@@syntaxerroat9618
I'm a little late, but make sure to research landing craft in the naval menu
Ordinary Productions np dude, now that I come to think of it, it’s a dumb thing to forget. Thanks
Early 1944 and you have 36 nukes. Good lord man
USA is so OP its ridiculous. Played them a couple of times and its blobbing the world with almost no opposition whatsoever.
Main reason for this is it is so easy to get naval and air superiority with USA, due to unmatched industry and research.
With this, you are basically untouchable.
How amazingly powerful air superiority is, I've managed to wreck USSR with Germany whilst having no more then 200 divisions at any point in time, and with total of 1M loses. It's truly a wonder what an air force of 6000 fighters, and 3000 tactical bombers and 3000 CAS deployed to a frontline can do. You need those German East Indies as early as possible to pull this off though....
@@MilosMilosavljevic1 ìt makes sense they are op since they were pretty op in ww2 irl
Watched this due to my fear of the Soviet dominance in the Mediterranean after they won WW2 in Europe singlehandedly. Spent a year making 2 giant carrier battle groups based off this video and bam, they declare war on Greece and move their oddly large navy in. I respond with my battle groups and completely decimate the entire soviet fleet. Earned a sub
Glad to hear it 😁
Currently, the Naval system is like seriously broken. Reman's Paradox did a big video on this going over the actual equations for battles against evenly matched/mixed forces. It's unreal what he found out. Carriers are OK to have, but simply uneeded. Battleships in every situation kill the most enemies and survive the longest. Destroyers serve a purpose for their anti-submarine warfare (That is about it) and Cruisers are supremely useless. It even goes over how Superheavy Battleships are also good, but suffer from a severe lack of organization for their actual combat prowess and integrity. Having Carriers is nice to ward off enemy naval and dive bombers, but for the most part they are quite useless when put up against high-level battleships, which a competent player should be fielding as soon as possible. You can still use Carriers of course, since if you are fighting against AI it doesn't really matter (You'll probably still steamroll their shit-tier Navy).
(Edit): Looking forward to Man the Guns in order to see some changes to this system. If you check out the Dev Notes it'll probably be very different from the current system.
well your mostly right. this video is more ment for multiplayer sense alot of servers have rules now around ship counts and stuff :)
I think carriers work very well if used FAR from land based air power. Just 4 good light cruisers (long ranged to deal with subs etc) and 4 good carriers will mow down ANYTHING away from land based power. Simply hit disengage to get away from battleships BEFORE they get too close and then attack them again. Close to land battleships should work well when under friendly air cover. They'd force the enemy to run and give up control (in real life) or suffer in a close range engagement. I'm fine with battleships working well in close in engagements.
What I don't like is:
1) Screens do suicide charges when in the same fleet as heavier ships. Screening ships would not charge ahead in real life. This makes battleships stupidly effective IF the player lets a battle continue without hitting disengage. A carrier fleet would kite a battleship fleet IRL keeping their distance. Carriers were effective because they denied the enemy the ability to close to effective gun range. The AI in the game runs full speed into effective gun range making the AI 100% stupid.
2) A fleet forced to disengage should be forced to flee the sea zone and/or should be catch-able by faster ships. Right now one can engage the same sub 500 times without them ever running out of fuel or ever getting destroyed (bogging down your much larger fleet). Getting fleets stuck SUCKS. A much larger fleet NEVER catching a couple smaller and slower ships is stupid.
3) Having only a couple screening ships is effective to cover a fleet of capital ships in game making the creation of more than a couple screens useless. This is beyond dumb. Oceans are HUGE and it should take at least one to two dozen ships to screen larger fleets. It should take hundreds of destroyers/DEs to guard convoys crossing oceans. I've had entire carrier air wings destroyed by a few hundred land planes flying over the Bay of Bengal (absolutely huge body of water carriers can still lose an enemy in today) and ships find each other in huge sea zones almost instantly (subs don't do sneak attacks). The whole concept of "Oceans are vast" is completely foreign in the game.
Hawkeye Zygote
Unfortunately. What you’re saying is extremely obsolete. The testing was done pre-waking the tiger. It is a well known fact that the meta is spamming cruisers with as many powerful torpedos as possible. Besides you need Destroyers to protect your convoys and Submarines to raid them. Reman’s guide was hastily and porly made.
You teached me to play this game basicly, with these tutorial videos. THX!
+1
your welcome :)
Really needed this video too. There's really a lot to think about here. Thanks again Dustin.
Did you make this video because you feel bad for me? (I was the guy you managed to navaly invaded in Tokyo about 4 days ago)
nah, someone asked me the otherday to do a video on plane compositions for carriers on my air wing video
What discord do you play in?
You know, it's still a Spooktober when you see Japan in The Chinese United Front.
If you go as far as to use carriers to support naval invasions with CAS and fighters, you can directly order them to do missions over a region, rather than leaving them on "Carrier mission".
It is really scary to have planes from the shore attacking fleets. My pretty big fleet with carriers, battleships and all those other ships just melted against 500 airplanes (I don't remember what type they were), starting with my fighters. All I had left after a battle or three were 20 or so submarines (which kinda suck as part of a big fleet, but they sometimes distract a part of enemy fleet).
I used to go with 20 fighters per carrier and the rest naval bombers, but your advice to adjust this based on the opposition sounds sensible.
Thanks for covering this!
saw ur comment, your welcome :)
Good commentary. Thanks!
if you increase fighters by 1 it would be 30 fighters per 10 bombers not 40 fighters and 10 bombers , hurr durr 5:50
oops -_-
Hey Dustin I'm an OG fan (my name used to be Dictionary) I used to watch all the old streams like a year ago when you would only get 15 viewers a stream. I don't watch much anymore but I just wanted to say I love your content and I love how the channel is growing a lot now
i remember you, thanks for still hanging around. i remember most of you guys also all the mapping guys that used to join :)
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This is such a great channel. Glad I foud you!
Aw, thankies!
Dustin than you for eveything, your video helped me a lot to grow as a player. Just one thing i disagree with: to sink enemy screen i found Light cruiser more effective. I use DD for anti air actually.
Light cruiser have a better light piercing/light damage output compared to DD and they literally sink all the enemy dd.
In my last usa game i had the chance to encounter the bulk of the japanese fleet in battle. i have sinked 26 DD with just about 8lc (level 2) letting my bb and cv directly hit the core of the japanese fleet because their screening value was below 30% while mine still 100%.
Try to give my composition a shot if you want to test it more in depth.
Have a nice day
I'm kinda frustrated b/c I'm a 'newbie' to the GAME but know history and what sorts of planes are needed on carriers & their roles so maybe I've got the "hard part" down but I still am trying to figure out how the navy works in the game via the interface. I guess everyone has to go thru that so no shame there....I'm playing as USA for starters, figuring w/o war staring me right in the face in 1936, at least it's helped me w/things like the tech tree...I go for that 5th research slot on my 2nd research task after getting the pre-req, which is otw to the Federal Housing Act anyway, so that works out.
Thanks for the video. I'll keep watching this & other videos for help. :)
YAS!
Thanks a lot for the tutorials, they are great! But what would be REALLY helpful would be if you just wrote some info on the screen while you talk so it is easier to follow your line of thought. It is too hard to keep track of all that data while watching a gameplay in the back and hearing you talk about other subjects!
ill try, i always forget 😁
Sadly this isn't all that useful for those playing against AI :P. The AI is such a pushover when it comes to their fleet it's unreal... they don't even build dockyards without mods >.>. Or at least I haven't witnessed them building much.
FatheredPuma81 USA and Japan (if they didn't get China'd) usually build to around 50 dockyards for me.
They also don't really upgrade their ships much.
@@themaxican5683 Just like to remind you that in 4 years the US built I think around 20 Carriers during WW2... 50 dockyards is way way too low...
Man the guns you can
@Maple Maps no no. In 4 years US built 24 Essex class fleet carriers, and followed that up with 3 midway class built at the end of the war and 3 canceled. The in game US industrial capacity is nerfed 10 fold compared to what it had in real life.
I'm a brainwashed Axis player, *my carriers just have fighters to protect my navy*
awesome guide , now i can proccess to mass produce the navals fleets to invade the U.S
i always dominate ground and air but lately started naval well more then light cruisers. ive notice only one of my carriers gets planes while the rest i cant even manual assign wings. isnt there an auto fill burron or something i got on a test run 5 carriers only 1 is filled for over 6 months and i cant select the rest to manual fill em
Personally I say max naval bombers if you want to fight ships, even with the less chance to hit pure quantity makes it useless, just throw in like 6 carriers in a main fleet and it deletes everything if you got the massed strikes doctrine, or as Japan if the host allows you abuse the crap out of Tora Tora Tora and stack as many carriers with naval bombers as possible no fleet can survive 500+ naval bombers
unless they have 500+ fighters 😉
Know I want to see who wins :D
Carrier fighters would almost instantly deckwipe your carriers...
unless they are carrier fighter ones going up against naval bomber 3's
Tried this, their carrier fighters took down all of my NAVs and my fleet was obliterated
When playing Japan you throw all of this out of the window and just spam fighters. Have fun with kamikaze.
To be honest that's what I mostly do whenever I play Japan and multiplayer
Rocket sites are usefull? Higher level rocket can be intersepted? Are they better than strategic bombers?
ima tell you right now, rocket sites are borderline useless especially in mp
@@dustinl796 but they are fun and makes cute noises. But they are always useless)
The only use I find for them is late-game sp, if Britain is still alive, to wreck their plane production.
Hey man, I enjoy your videos, but I have had a hard time getting back into Hearts of Iron after playing Gary Grigsby’s War in the East/West. Have you played either of these? They’re like HOI on steroids.
ive tried those kinda games but not a big fan
How does the over crowding mechanic work and the dock to reduce the penalty ? please
With overcrowding right now, the air wings remove 20% of the total planes after 4 carriers, so either use 4. Or do 6 or higher to beat the pennalties by sense its 20% of the total planes
I wonder if higher tier naval bombers and CAS should be rebalanced so that naval bombers should do more damage when they hit but have low naval targeting meaning they are less likely to while CAS do less damage when they hit but are more likely to hit
I hope they will give a choice like planes where instead of day and night missions or strat bomb they allow you to tell naval bombers to target certain ship types or the groups all attavk one certain ship at a time or splot up trying to damnage all
Help cant assign aircraft to the carrier, even when i done the researches needed, and yes have reserve. What i missing?
thanks, I allways spammed torpedo bombers on all of my carriers ;D
Well it works great unless you go up against other Fighters 😁
How do you engage your planes to patrol while the carrier is patrolling three different regions? Do you have to select all three regions or does the planes follow with the carrier?
If the planes are already on the carrier they will do it for you automatically
Carriers.. I just spam battleships and light cruisers build on AA works flawless. (not joking) make a video on it
ive tried it and instantly got destroyed in mp as geramny, was so sad i had 6 super heavy battleships with over 30 light cruisers 😭
@@dustinl796 noob. :D one does not spam super heavys, just casual t2 battleships and 30 naval dock yards on light cruisers. They absolutely rape subs destroyers other cruisers and planes. If your fleet is to small like in that multi-player case try to build your airforce only on tac bombers and fighter 1 and spam them then use thousands in the british channel and nuke navy's. Worked fine for me. I played Germany and killed the American Japanese and British fleet alone in the channel with 4000 tac bombers on naval mission as support. Enemy lost 340 ships I lost 2 light cruisers and 17 convoys. #sealion.
I found Hoi4 content recently again and regained my life for the game. If you want to test strats or just play some fun games hit me up fam I'm "mrfrazer580" on steam. (I'm German and can definitely aid you in your pronunciation or make some funny intermissions for you :])
Regular BBs would not have helped.
İf your naval bombers fly from land base, they do the one fifth of the damage they normally do.
So do not use naval bombers if you dont have any carriers
i just spam heavy fighters and tactical bombers, they can do everything except be on carriers. but i don't build carriers sense i only use my own resources for this stuff. i , for the most part, just make Heavy cruisers and light cruisers, or just Heavy's as Germany in order to fight the British fleet.
heavy figers normally 1 on 1 get wrecked by normal fighters as they have higher armor but lower agility
How do I set what region my planes on the carrier operate in?
I think you click the air crafts themselves and then you click the bombing targets (top left) the right click the region. I hope this helps and I will boot the game up when I get home just to make sure.
i just started playing hoi4 and i wanna ask, does the airwing in carriers automatically do there job? no need to give them orders? cuz i cant order them at all to go air superiority or intercept
Yes, as soon as they enter the battle they start doing emissions automatically. Or at least they're supposed to, I still throw them on air superiority intercept just in case since it sometimes breaks
@@dustinl796 oh ok, but i still cant turn on the air superiority or intercept
I know this is a stupid question, but I'm a new player -- I clicked the tabs to make the planes Carrier capable. HOW DO YOU SEND THEM TO AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER? Say your first carrier that's built. I know how to get the carrier to the port but when the planes are done they're on land airports, can I set the aircraft that belongs on a carrier to deploy there straight out of production or will it just go to the nearest airport by the navy port? I ask because I still have upgraded( to be on carriers) fighter planes that are in airports around the country. Thank you!
Pretty much you need to build the carrier capable planes and then once you have a surplus of them in stockpile zoom into your Fleet with a carrier and click the plane icon on the left side of the Fleet, it'll open up your carriers and you can do it from there. Another option is to just simply click the fleet that has a carrier in it so it pulls up the task force information and in the top panel it will have a plane icon like an Airfield and you can click it there as well
@@dustinl796 Thank you VERY MUCH! It's the one damn thing I've been struggling with and now that you said that I totally get it! Thanks for the help!
Glad to help 😁
If i have multiple airings will I get better cover of all zones in ranges of the planes?
Yes
I appreciate you trying to help out new people but I think you should play against stronger players in well known discord’s like silent terror, spot or ccds because almost any strat will work against bad players but that doesn’t make it the superior one naval bombers in high tier games are not used on carriers so the builds you have created here would be smashed to bits but in a game were people don’t do that you would do pretty well but I don’t think that reflects how good the strat is it just reflects people not knowing certain aspects of the game
Fake news^^ We all know that the best players only play road to 56 since there is a lot more outplay potential
i have played in silent terrors, finally left because alot of people on there kept disagreeing with strats every game even though i would still beat alot of people. an example was as germany i beat the allies out of europe and africa and was pushing into russia but he had to go and sense i didnt beat russia before he had to go (1943) they said allied victory even though we owned half the world. i think japan wiped out the us fleet to. anyway havent played in the other 2. ill need to find them as most of the other 50+ hoi4 discords i play in have a mix of good and bad players making it unbalanced
I started playing HOI with Waking the Tiger. I don't have the "Request License Production" option. Your strategy relies on using this feature. Is there anything like a work around?
I meant to mention it in the video, you either need together for victory or death or dishonor DLC, sorry
Carrier ? To kill a fleet you just need kamikaze heavy fighter , long range , more effectiv , and you can also use them to kill bomber
fun fact, max out the reliability and sometimes they come back from kamikaze missions after sinking ships
Dustinl796 Videos ahahahah as long as they dont get more :)
Any land based air force strategy to deal with naval problems tutorial?
Strat bombers and if you have waking the tiger strat bomb airfields
Wait so if i wanted to change 1 aircraft carrier's composition and specifically that 1 ship how do i do it
click the plane on the side of the fleet and edit as you want.
what template did you used in those tank divisions?
2 types, first was 4xSP-ART + 2xARM + 2xMOT and the second was 2xSP-ART + 3xARM + 4xMOT
@@dustinl796 do you still use that breakthrowgh division of 3 spART 3 spAA 8 arm and the rest motorized/mechanized until 40wi?
Can you explain how a "deck wipe" works? I have it sometimes all my carrier aircraft just disappears as soon as they enter into combat ...
noCookiiezzForYou it’s when all of your planes get shot down by enemy fighters. Even by ground based aircraft. In multiplayer, you always want to put 100% fighters on your carrier decks.
@@kommandanter1980 what are carriers good for than if i only put fighters there?
hes sorta right but sorta wrong, if you have enough fighters that are better than the enemy you can instantly destroy the enemy carrier planes. but like i covered in the video you need to figure out if your going for battleships with fighters as support or a strike force. only fighters on carriers if going up against a more naval tech advanced country is hard as it is, getting rid of all naval bombers is just a bad idea in that case
Dustinl796 Videos you use land based naval bombers. The rule In most lobbies is max 4 carriers per fleet. Everyone upgrades their deck size and stocks fighters in order to wipe each other’s decks, while keeping their navies within range of friendly ground based aircraft. Naval combat is nothing more than a battle of air superiority. Once you have it, your naval bombers can enter the battle, and you will destroy all of theirs. Naval bombers are what win naval battles.
@@kommandanter1980 but why bother to build carriers at all than? If you just deploy your land based aircraft mainly anyway? Why not focus on that and tech better battleships e.g
As America, in 1936 I dedicated literally everything to carriers, it’s 1943 and I have more carriers than planes
Screams in terrified noises
0:46 HE QUOTED MANDALORIAN
How do I move my carrier planes from a airport to a carrier???
When b25s in carriers?
hopefully man the guns :)
what width are those tank divisions your using in the video?
20 width, heavy 2's 2 tanks + 3 sparty + 1 sp tank destroyer +3 motorized :)
@@dustinl796 That's 21 width though (2*2 Heavy tanks = 4) + (3*3 Spart = 9) (1 HTD = 2 width)
+ (3*2 motorized = 6) = 21
@@gabe75001 I think a HTD is 1 isn't it?
@@dannyparker5858 Nope, the actual smol anti-tank batteries found in the artillery tab are one width but all SPTD are 2 width.
How does navilizing a Curtis P-40 monoplane fighter turn it into a Grumman F3F BIPLANE? Reasearch in this game is weird....
i totally agree, i feel like the p-40 should unlock a f4u corsair for naval, then p-39 f4f wildcat and then p-51 is fine.
I would just appreciate it if someone could make a fucking fifteen second video on how you assign fucking aircraft to your aircraft carrier or to an army. I click the button to assign aircraft and either nothing is available, or it goes to a screen where I can click the aircraft but then nothing happens after I select it. So ridiculous how unintuitive their UI is.
Same. Thats how I landed on this video. I have the fighters needed, but it won't let me send them to the carriers. It says that there are no planes in reserve, yet I have thousands in reserve...
How many extra planes i can carry in my carrier with the massed strikes?
A basic rule of thumb I've been going off of now is I don't do more than twice what the carrier allows, so if it allows 50 I will not go over a hundred
I see, thx for the advice
Np 😁
All you really need is 50/50 fighters and naval bombers, you should be using airfield based tactical/strat bombers for most of everything else.
Also, USA not being able to use tactical bombers on carriers? muh doolittle.
Well if in mp a 50/50 normally wont work
I’m disappointed, this...
Is good video
worried me there for a min
im hoi 4 newbie but in logic i dont see any great advantage to have carriers. when i am fighting japan, i take their arfields and deploying planes there. carriers are imho only mobile platforms for planes.. they cant shoot..
You need carriers. If you play a really bad USA you can snatch their islands ASAP and if they only have hawaii left they can't cover their naval landings. So if you send your fleet to their fleet and they have no carriers your planes will slaughter their navy.
I did like the video. But a question, do you ever make an only CAS carrier to use as groundsupport? instead of making 3 carriers with same loadout (which is what I do too). Instead put all fighters on one, CAS on another and torpedos on the last ones?
you can but its better to mix so if in mp and 1 gets sunk say your torp carrier then ur down to fighters and cass, its also better so if in a rush you can make separate fleets with 1 or 2 carriers in a rush
@@dustinl796 yeah I agree, was just thinking for easy pick one wing but guess selecting 3 small actually not that hard)
Ah aircraft carriers...the only reason i get to sealion...also where is the germany min maxing guide?
Vjeruj mi, ne zelis to od ovog lika, strasno je los u igrici
germany min maxing save corrupted. finally gave up on it.
I don’t get it. It keeps saying I’m lacking modules, but I don’t know which ones. I can place something in each module, but I still can’t make carriers. Idk
maek sure the bottom left has one and a fire control system :)
I'm sorry if thousands have asked you this before, but are you the owner of the channel Tyranny Unmasked? you sound just like him lol
Never heard of it
how would you think man the guns would change these load outs?
Actually something I have started doing a multiplayer that works pretty well is I will get very good Capital ships like battleships but also get a lot of deck space on the carriers, then I will load them up with only fighters and as many as it can carry, that way the carriers can take out the enemy Fighters but also the capital ships can Engage The Enemy Fleet. Wouldn't hurt to have a few torpedo bombers on it still. But technically The Load-Out still should be good since I use them sometimes if I'm playing against somebody that's not too much of a threat Naval surface wise
@@dustinl796 might give this a try, i've been sticking to a 1-2 ratio of fighters and bombers/cas and then just loading up on the AA with my support ships
just came here to put planes on Carriers
lol
Why in the video youre at war with uk as usa fighting the axis together?
uhh, i dont think im at war with the uk?
Dustinl796 Videos why is UK's divisions red?
Atomic ah
DONT USE FUCKING NAVAL CAS
Use like a 65:35 fighter to naval bombers load out and more or less depending on the situation
but if they have pretty much a 25% better targeting but 20% less damage then you would be doing more damage to them because of the slight increase
@@dustinl796 the reason that you should use carrier naval bombers over carrier CAS is that by the start of war you should at least have started building CV naval bombers 2 having naval bombers 1 and building them allows you to have a decent inventory of planes and CV naval bombers 2 are better than Cas cas, as you know both you and I have played way to much hoi4 and I have never seen a competent player go CV CAS there is physically no reason to use CV cas
Just
Stop
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Edit: you also never talked about carrier overstacking, sortie rates and stuff like that, overstacking is a key part of how Japan wins without having to use kamikaze's because of the multiple sortie bonuses you can have, one I had a fleet with 1200 fighter 2's and 700 naval bombers and it wiped the fucking floor due to America not being able to overstack
Why didn't you give BZK a shoutout?
cause i dont wana get beat up 😂
@@dustinl796 Just do it!
playing the game during an invasion is not helpful to the player wanting to visualize carrier operations.
why it's hard to attack germany :( you so easily can invasion like that
Bad math made me leave
uhh, there wasnt any?
Dustinl796 Videos you misspoke. You said at one point “3 fighters for every 1 torpedo bomber, so 40 fighters for every 10 torpedo bombers”. Paraphrasing
@@TheOtherOne122 I would have said "misspoke". I am talking bad math
Hey man I played a game as Hungary against you last Saturday, it was fun but sadly your not as good as I thought. :( For everyone reading this they had failed d day twice, and gave up and put all allied forces with the addition of china into russia and we still were destroying them . :( losses at the end of the war were 700k axis, 2.5m allies, 4.5m comitern. Lost alot of respect for you man :(
well, after the first dday in spain when i was securing it pushing italy back no problem uk decided to send 30 40 widths in there to a supply zone with around 40, then after ruining my supply he pulled out totally leaving huge gaps in my line. you guys also had air superiority because uk decided not to 'waste production on fighter 1's -_-' oh and i invaded denamrk and then brazil with uk did the same thing sending 40 widths into a zone with low supply. they kinda killed me and i gave up trying in europe past that point sense they kept ruining my supply every time i got a port anywhere.
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Why is this game so complicated
Because the more realistic the more fun
That isn't complicated at all you'd get a heart attack with black ice
Holy moly yes
Summary of the video? I don' feel like watching an eleven-minute video
you too munch talk just make videos simple !!