Game Theory: Is A Shield Your BEST Weapon? (Assassin's Creed Valhalla) DEBUNKED!
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An armour (spelled armor in the US) is a protective covering that is used to prevent damage from being inflicted to an object, individual, or vehicle by weapons or projectiles, usually during combat, or from damage caused by a potentially dangerous environment or action.
The word "armour" began to appear in the Middle Ages as a derivative of Old French. It is dated from 1297 as a "mail, defensive covering worn in combat". The word originates from the Old French armure, itself derived from the Latin armatura meaning "arms and/or equipment", with the root armare meaning "arms or gear".
Armour has been used throughout recorded history. It has been made from a variety of materials, beginning with rudimentary leather protection and evolving through mail and metal plate into today's modern composites.
Significant factors in the development of armour include the economic and technological necessities of its production. For instance, plate armour first appeared in Medieval Europe when water-powered trip hammers made the formation of plates faster and cheaper.
Well-known armour types in European history include the lorica hamata, lorica squamata, and the lorica segmentata of the Roman legions, the mail hauberk of the early medieval age, and the full steel plate harness worn by later medieval and renaissance knights, and breast and back plates worn by heavy cavalry in several European countries until the first year of World War I (1914-15). The samurai warriors of feudal Japan utilised many types of armour for hundreds of years up to the 19th century.
A sword is a bladed weapon used for cutting and thrusting the enemies. The precise definition of the term varies with the historical epoch or the geographical region under consideration. A sword in the most narrow sense consists of a straight blade with two edges and a hilt, but depending on context, the term is also often used to refer to bladed weapons with a single edge.
Maces are blunt weapons, a club-like that uses a heavy head on the end of a handle to smash enemies with powerful and devastating blows. A mace typically is made of a strong, heavy, wooden or metal shaft, reinforced with metal, with a head made of stone, copper, bronze, iron, or steel.
They sometimes added flanges or knobs to the head of a military mace to allow greater penetration of plate armour. Maces were developed during the Paleolithic from the simple club, by adding sharp spikes of flint or obsidian. During the Middle Ages armour made of metal such as mail protected against the blows of edged weapons. Metal maces and war hammers though proved able to inflict damage on metal armoured knights, as the force of a blow from a mace is great enough to cause damage without penetrating the armour. Iron was often the main choice to build this kind of weapons but copper and bronze were also used, especially in iron-deficient areas.
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Thanks for the correction mate. I guess it comes down to how we define what a battlefield weapon is. I don’t really consider the longsword a battlefield weapon either, even though it was used on the battlefield, because that is not it’s sole purpose or use, whereas a poleaxe is far more designed for the battlefield. I guess I should stick with, not a “primary” battlefield weapon to be clearer ^_^
LOVED the video, especially since you touched on several things I skipped, and elaborated farther on others, all depending on what we’re more studied in. I noticed you skipped the archery decapitation part but were also able to share more information on the Japanese elements. Just makes both our videos complement each other even more.
To be fair, from the period pictures I've seen, longswords with shields appear to be mixed into spear lines; whether it's to protect the spear bearers, or so officers could move through the line more easily, isn't so clear.
I hope Matt sees your video and this one and makes his own response video admitting he was mistaken.
Hey Shad! Yes I didnt talk about the archery part because you did extensively and I didnt feel I could really add anything to It also because I'm not an Archer like you or Matt Easton. Anyhow I'm glad you liked my video and Great job on yours! As for the Battlefield weapon I consider a Battlefield weapon a weapon that was used on a Battlefield, since all Samurai during the time the katana was in use carried them on the field I would consider It as such, but I do see your point of view too.
@@metatronyt Can I just say that if you are in Italy rn, you are really staying up late. Lol. Gn
This is wholesome content
"A glorified stick with a blade at the end" describes every single melee weapon on its most basic level, except for a club, that's just a glorified stick.
This is truer than I am comfortable with.
@@huntclanhunt9697 agreed
Yeah. And a sword. Which is a glorified tiny stick wrapped in leather and fitted with a large blade
I like glorified sticks that fire antitank ammo at enemies. for self defense. *cough*
@@szarekhthesilent2047 oh you mean those that are meant to combat (among others) glorified Cars with giant Glorified Pipes on them to shoot glorified Fireworks? Jup those are nice.
MatPat: *makes medieval theory*
Shad, Meta, and Skall: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson young man?
lol I get the reference
Game Theory: can't do a lot of damage with the shield
A knight: Tell me how the grass tastes, little man!
I fucking love that video...
@@nickromanthefencer I like the video because it's the history facts vs personal experience.
😂
MatPat: Makes a history-related video
Shad, Metatron, and Skall: Allow us to introduce ourselves
*(aztec dubstep/trap music starts playing)*
@@Magus_Union pillarmen jojo theme?
... we are men of wealth and taste, we been around for long long years and take many theories to waste.... please to meet you, hope you guess our names.
Don’t you mean “re-introduce ourselves”
Shad, Metatron, and Skall: the Holy Trinity
Screw it, Imma add Matt Easton to that even though it would no longer be a trinity with four people. How about the Four Horsemen?
We need Skallagrim response to complete the set.
Ah yes, the holy trinity
Hes always a bit late
@@embodying8moth82 Lord Pommel is FASHIONABLY LATE is what you mean.
@@zetos4440 a wizard is never late
When Skall watches MatPat's video:
Angry pommel unscrewing
The way Matt talks with such confidence and certainty when giving false or misinformed information is painful to watch
I still have PTSD from that For Honor video
If matt isnt careful he will end up like lars anderson. The king of cherry picking information.
@@elijahbrewer1820 Nah, a bunch of kids, preteens, and adolescents will eat up his content, such as FNAF.
He needs to just shut up and just cover more FNAF videos
But that's how all the people who do videos professionally talk - and as the Metatron prefaced the video with: every history youtuber has been wrong about something they, too, probably said with confidence(maybe even mocking something that was actually correct).
Game theory: lemme teach you medieval stuff
Metatron, Shad, and Skall: *pillar men theme*
AYAYAYAYAAAAY
So lindybeige is Santana?
shad: awaken my masters
_touches metatron and skall's nipples_
*AYAYAYA*
@@pougetguillaume4632 here, have my upvote
Now someone has to draw them as the Pillar Men.
mat: "look at how tightly packed they are"
me: they look like they are practicing social distancing
We call that "hero" formation. In a movie directed by meatheads.
me: If those are "tightly packed" then armies in the Lord of the Rings movies were black-hole levels of "tightly packed".
@@atraxian5881 "Why are their shoulders touching? How are they supposed to swing in a 180 degree telegraphed strike?"
Such considerate warriors! Good for them!...
@@PacMonster0 Actually even in artillery times tight was still better than loose - see e.g. Napoleonic Wars, Crimean War, or American Civil War. Only the introduction of the machine gun loosened the infantry formations.
History community on CZcams is just the best.
@EpicMetalWarrior Yep
Agreed. Reminds me of the community of old school youtube lol
This community is more of the ancient an medieval history community rather than a history community. In general they trend around that era leaving out more recent times.
The most passive aggressive at the very least lol
Truly.
MatPat: "Dual wielding is illogical."
Musashi: "Hold my oar."
Musashi: "... Wait, what am I doing, give it back, I need it."
Ha Ha, great video. I'm avoiding talking about this as I know loads of game developers! One day I'll let you know why my channel is oddly called Modern History TV!
wtf?
Mate what?
@@strongbear3369 Modern History is Jason Kingsley, OBE , CEO of Rebellion Developments. Yeah, he knows "some" people in the game industry ;)
when are you guys making a medieval game btw( and here i mean your game studio, not your YT channel ). kinda like kingdom come but of course done your own way. with you at the helm it would be the most accurate game ever. and warhorse has proven that there is a market for such things. please im begging you :) love your channel BTW
medieval history youtube
I kinda hope Game Theory keeps making these videos on historical weapons/armor, if only because CZcamsrs like Metatron and Shad make great response videos.
Indeed. The first 2 minutes had me crying.
I still keep my hand on my face...
Agreed
While I fo like these response videos, I don't like MatPat posting blatant misinformation.
Only issue is they are on thin Ice if Game Theory complains. Some new YT laws actually forbid making reply videos.
I love how both Shad and Metatron jumped on the whole "calling a Hospitaller a Templar" thing. :P
to be fair, thats a mistake Ubisoft themselves also make in Rouge. A lot of the Templar equipment has the wrong cross on it.
To be fair, all he had to do was Google Templar and go to images. How he fucked this up, I don't know. I wish that metatron would have addressed this weird idea that he mentioned in the end of video, implying Vikings and Templar knights fought, which ended the Vikings.
@@kaimagnus5760 Ubisoft at least has the possible excuse that the Templars and Hospitallers were two faces of the same organization/conspiracy in-universe. :P
@@seanheath4492 You have a point on that one.
To add context though, Mat says "who is the main antagonist of the Assassin's creed series, oh yeah the Templars, the most wealthy and powerful of the Western Christian military orders." So he conflates the organization in the game and the Knight's Templar in history.
Honestly I'm impressed. I thought when I saw this video it was going to he a guy who had absolutely no idea what he was talking abt a video that was popular to make a quick buck. BOY WAS I WRONG I actually really really enjoyed this and it was fun to learn about it. You were very humble and nice when talking abt his mistakes and described the actual answer with loads of info. Keep up the great work man. I look forward to your next vid!
I'm glad to hear, thanks!
"I would rather use a shield than a spade"
Cries in WW1
Id say its true for melee combat but you're right when given the choice of a shield or a spade when the enemy has machine guns probably better to dig a hole/trench to hide in lol
@@henryodriscoll1574 well a spade can decapitate much easier then a shield
I heard some of the trench spades were sharpened too so it worked like a shitty hand axe.
"You can only be offensive with one side of your body at a time"
Public flashers use both hands to open the trenchcoat.
Lol
Cursed comment
Not the sneaky ones.
@@retardcorpsman not if you do it as a Catholic Priest on a Sunday School
Lmao
He suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect. He knows so little of the field he talks authoritatively about that he doesn't know how wrong he is, and that he should not talk like an authority.
I would also like to point out a mindset a lot of people who are unfamiliar with historical combat have. They tend to talk about medieval combat as if it were every man for himself on the battlefield. I think it is very important to mention that formations (not the 'tightly packed' ones we see in the trailer, but actual tightly packed ones) were present for almost every battle. Every soldier had a part to play in that formation. In this case, when referring to early Medieval era, or the "Dark Ages," shield walls were a common formation for "Vikings," Franks, Saxons, and most of western Europe at this time. You need a shield to complete a shield wall. It isn't just to defend yourself, but the men on either side of you, and behind you. If you have two axes, you aren't really all that helpful in the otherwise effective formation.
*MattPat makes a GT video*
Everyone is fine.
*MattPat makes a GT video featuring medieval weaponry*
Medieval channels: I feel a disturbance in the Force.
If my opponent were armored I would rather have an empty off hand than a twig.
Very good point!
If your open hand has any kind of armor, sure; otherwise, the stick is still better, since you can at least throw it at their face.
@@bubbasbigblast8563 as opposed to grappling, making unbalancing shoves and pulls, or other free-hand techniques that are available?
@@HenshinFanatic If someone has a sharp object, approaching it with an unarmoured hand is an incredibly good way to lose your fingers, or the hand itself. It would never be worth the risk.
@@bubbasbigblast8563 Better to lose a hand than your life. Also ever heard of G R A P P L I N G?
GameTheory: "you can only be offensive with one weapon, one arm, one side of your body at a time"
me: [Laughs in Scuola Bolognese]
I practice Bolognese fencing (in Bologna as well) and it took me 15 minutes of explaining to understand how dual welding is mostly used (attack with one, parry with the other. Or in general anything you do with a sword the other has to do in the other side , at the same time)
The facepalming is still not enough used here... You could cover your face with hand and start staring at your shoes if they are clean enough now or not quite. Then, just come back later.
Me: laughs in discombobulate.
Also baseball swings alone put the statement into question.
My preferred combat style is two short, edged blades, and I am quite capable of using them both in fluid and constant support of one another. This idea that you can't use both arms in combat bespeaks some serious lack of understanding - entire schools of combat are built around the idea.
me: ask Musashi :))
Metatron is truly an angel, super kind to inform Mat, spends hours to teach us and stops misinformation!
Very good debunking video Metatron!
I wanted to add that blade grabbing as an option happens quite a lot during a fight. The requirements is only grabbing the opponent's sword while it stops (which requires good timing), if the sword doesn't move it is possible to hold it bare handed, of course a pair of "simple" leather gloves is recomended, it'sfar more than enough to decrease the chance of being slashed by a twitch, a twist or a pull (which are three common ways of trying to free the sword by a grab).
Anyway Fiore dei Liberi tells us that while duelling (and most probably also while traveling and as a Fashion tool) people was wearing "Guanti di Camussa" chamuis leather gloves, to protect the hands. Armor doesn't increase the safety in this specific act, but increases the chance of stopping the sword (you can stop it whit almost all your body) and so increases the number of chances to actually grab the sword.
Thank you for your comment!
Aside from the historical facts, pointed out by Metatron and Shad, my main issue with GT's video was that it's all over the place. The initial premise was supposed to be whether or not dual wielding 2 different weapons (axes) is practical. Then it diverged to all sorts of topics from decapitating heads with an arrow (incorrect as pointed out by Shad), dual wielding shields, and then the title of his video which is different from his opening lines in the video.
gt is allways like that all over the place and as factualy accurate as conspiracy theories at times
Game Theory (and all of the theorist channels) are essentially written by a squirrel drugged up on cocaine and adderal doing google searches. There is never a cohesive structure in their scripts; they start at one end, and end up playing six degrees of Kevin Bacon with 18 and a half mental gymnastic routines to come to a halfbaked conclusion that doesn't even tie into the original premise.
oh wait i didn't realize that
@@demonic_myst4503 At times?
@@Kayem237 somtimes he is talkig about pretty easy to understand games that its hard to fucvk up he normaly doesnt touch historical context
Aaaah yes, the angel has replied, now we just need Skall and the trinity will be complete!
What about Matt?
@@ilike8590 I think he's referring to the possibility of Matt Easton responding, not MatPat.
I was going to write the exact comment 😂😂😂 you beated me to it 😅😅
Im honestly surprised that Skallagrim didn't respond yet. He's like our Viking Lore guy
@@yungindio I honestly think Skall is fed up with internet bullshit at the moment, he just might give this one a pass.
To be fair to Matt, in AC they kinda lumped Templars, and the Knights Hospitaller into the same generic bad guy group called Templars way back in the first game. So, he wasn't entirely wrong in the context of the game. Anyway, awesome video as always, Metatron.
You also have to remember that the Vikings used axes alot in their daily lives, when not raiding (I.e making firewood, plankmaking, boatmaking etc.). So they where extreamly proficient with this weapon.
And it's what you have on hand. Spending a ton of money on a sword that you only really use on raids? Makes sense if you are really wealthy, sure, but if not, why not just get a good axe, that you'll use every day, and it will also do it's job when you do need to fight.
Game Theory is basically from an alternate universe, as far as I can tell.
Well, gaming is one of the means for us to escape reality sometimes.... So.....
@@chengkuoklee5734 good point
@@chengkuoklee5734 that’s just a theory
*A G A M E T H E O R Y*
Crush his theories, Sir Metatron, in the name of historical accuracy!
if no one does, this plague of weebs and misinformation will continue.
What I like about The Community of the Sword is that it helps us appreciate the lives of our ancestors who lived during those unique times in history. And that the lives of our ancestors were not simple, but incredibly complex. They truly cannot by judged by a google search.
"You can hit people with 1 hand" lmao
I love how this video is reaching "people die when they are killed" levels at some points, to think you need to explain such obvious things lol
No it's not, *"people die when they are killed"* makes totally no sense and I agree, but saying *"you can hit people with 1 hand"* doesn't mean he think you didn't know it, its just a way to support what he is trying to say adding something YOU already know so it is mor understandable
Miyamoto has entered the chat*
Ahahahha
@@metatronyt Dual Wielding oars video when.
@@alephkasai9384 Amateur , real swordsmen dual wield row boats.
@@clothar23
Pff, real vikings dual wield longships.
As soon as I heard the Samurai didn't use shields cause magic armor bit I laughed and eagerly awaited your video on this since there are historical references to shields in japan and you went over them in a video
Less common tho than in europe etc.
Shields were considerably underused in Japanese warfare. Not non-existent, but not a common sight either.
"He thinks of something that makes sense in his head, then says it authoritatively as though its backed up by some sort of evidence"
This sums up my problem with matpat in general
This sums up the problem with our society in general.
Sure it’s a problem but he says something authoritatively because he’s talking about nothing pretty much most of the time so saying fuck all in a timid tone isn’t going to get people to watch your content.
@@keeganbell6224 this is fine if you are someone who just spit balls and spouts anecdotes and historical vignettes off the cuff, but Matpat fancies himself an educator. This paired with the fact that so often he doesn't know what he is talking about (often outsourcing his scripts to freelancers who he relies on to do their own fact checking), his authoritative voice just comes off as smug.
@@keeganbell6224 that's a pretty hot take dude, spreading misinformation is okay because hes doing It for money. Does this apply to other unethical behaviors?
@@legwah1576 no I’m saying he had another incentive to make a video because it seems like people are disappointed that he made another one
18:26 Oh, he really lost me by calling an axe a glorified stick. I now agree wholeheartedly this guy has zero combat training or experience. 21:03 As you said, I'd rather be punched than hit with the boss of a shield. And the Romans used their shields offensively. Correct me if I'm wrong. Smashing that boss into their opponent to open them up for a gladius thrust. I remember reading about a Spartan who drew a close to life sized fly on his shield, and when chided by his peers, said something along the lines of, "it will be the size of a giant in my enemy's face." Clearly this Spartan had intentions of using his shield offensively.
I find it hilarious that you claim HE's the one doesn't have any combat experience when at the same time you say that a shield is used offensively
@@NoName-yw1pt have you ever used a shield? They can be used offensively. Shields with a boss can be used to strike with the boss, broken nose, broken bones, etc. Strike with the edge using the mass of the shield and your body, again, could possibly break bone. Not even mentioning things like the spiked pavise.
Dammit. He did it again... I remember the last time GT was called out by so many medieval youtubers like Shadiversity.
I left his chanel for months after that For Honor video, and when I finally come back he does it again.
@@adrigl3371 I actually had to block his channel to stop recieving recommendations of his awful channel.
@@xviithestar2356 same here. he is much too prideful and arrogant to ever correct his mistakes. he is the embodiment of r/iamverysmart
I didn't hear about the dude since last, but I am looking forward to watching that tool get destroyed again
I think he does it on purpose, causes more free press.
Me: Stop, Metty, he is already dead!
Metty: That's not even a templar.
Here’s a theory I’ve had for a while... there are multiple universes each with its own unique color of Lindybeige. There is a Lindygrey, a Lindyred, and yes as Metadude mentioned a Lindyblue. But it goes further than that. There is also a LindyDARKblue, a LindyAquaMarine, even a LindyMediumDarkGrey. Legend has it, combining all the Lindys would destroy the all universes, bringing the end time
Which universes do I have to find to collect all the Infinity Lindys for my cool new glove?
@@gmann215 YOU FOOL! Have you not studied archives of the Biege? Not one universe can handle more than one Lindy. If more than one Lindy were to coexist in the same universe, it would cause a mass extinction just from the audible sponsorships alone!
Isn't that the plot to the Key Li movie "The One"?
There are only 50 different Lindygrey’s though.
@@Ratsos12 ok, well list all of them
22:20 actually, according to the Livonian Rhymed Chronicle, a rubber duck deals exactly 0.0762 damage, but when paired with a kite shield it gets a x750 damage multiplier
A rubber duck is a BB gun in the Fallout universe. No base damage to speak of but you start adding in critical modifiers and it's like putting money in the bank with compound interest.
There are HEMA techniques on how to dual wield a spear and sword, while wearing a shield. It's pretty cool. Check out Paulus Hector Mair's manuals for reference :D
I think I've seen that one. Definitely wouldn't try it at home though.
Spear AND Sword AND Shield?... Jesus Christ i would run away immediately
Yeah but it is still only a niche technique and practicing it demands kinda master skills level in spear and sword to begin with.
@@HanSolo__ yeah but I can immagine it being absolute cancer
@@eraimattei Don't let Kassandra smell your fear
Dual wield tower shields adorned with spikes to really dominate the enemy
Big brain move for ultra-chads
Why not just get a war wolf
@@chasedean4032 is it a portable hand held war wolf though?
Actually, why not try this: you could make an early handgun, likely just a simple timed fuse that you can pair with a think wooded shield, and a dagger as your other weapon?
Yes but you need 20 in endurance and 20 in strength to wield it for more than 2 minutes.
I'm glad you touched on the fact that a free hand is not a useless hand. I'd go as far as a stick doesn't beat a free hand but I digress
I agree!
"It is important to reach out to people more knowledgeable than you"
Yes! It does work on ANY field of work.
It is waaaay better than blindly doing stuff.
This is why I ignore any of GTs videos that have anything to do with a video game set in a historical period.
25:40 that's not really a battle. it looks more like a disorganised skirmish
Looks more like a rout than a skirmish even one turned a tad chaotic
Well, as Metatron said, I think it looks like a movie set, really :/
"Son were are you going?"
"Over to the Yakeda's, they got a new goat"
"Okay Son, but dont forget your Wakizahsi just in case if you have to comit harakiri"
"Oh yea, thanks Dad, you're the best!"
Matt Patt: When you have only 1 weapon, your other empty hand is kinda useless.
For Honor Centurion: ?????????????????
Ahah I hate that punch in that game, but I love It when I'm use the Centurion :)
*INCREDIBLIS*
Grappling, too
"You can only really be offensive with...one side of your body at a time."
Sure brand deodorant would like to know your location.
I didn't watched yet, but to summarize: shields aren't shape and was not projected to kill, even being possible by pushing somebody into a cliff, using swords or axes works better when attacking.
I mean.
You absolutely can beat the fuck out of someone with a shield especially smaller ones if you punch someone with the edge of a shield shits gonna fuck you up
Metal boss? Built in steel knuckles. Heavy hard thing hit man real gud.
@Meba yeah the boss wouldnt work to well unless its a buckler.
But the edge? Absolutely and you can defend at the same time if you time it right
@Meba yes because we all know its basically rock paper scissors right? Because its not like theres a million different exigent circumstances and variables or thst sometimes you just have to improvise.
First of all.i wasn't saying be faster or some shit im saying if your opponent swings high with his axe and you go to punch him in his neck you are also blocking his swing.
But im pretty sure you implied an axe would go through a shield which....no
@Meba wtf are you on about? No shit you csn kill better with an axe that's not the argument were just saying you can use a shield offensively in a very effective manner its not purely defensive or even close to it.
And saying that using a shield offensively can work on a situational basis is like saying a bone can kill a knight is well
Thats fucking stupid and not anywheres near a valid comparison.
Like even if im arguing dude with shield can beat dude with axe.
Thats still fucking stupid to equate that.
A guy with a shield vs a guy with an axe has a bit of a disadvantage but still has quite a bit to work with(for one he can block the axe while axe guy cant really block the shield)
Its not anywheres close to "because he misses %100 of the time" its closer too "shield guy just has to be a little clever a little lucky and kinda strong)
That message is useless because Mr.Mat takes literally all criticism as “hate”
Anyone who makes money off any odd bit of garbage they put out will tend to do this. Most likely because it's too much work coming up with anything else to say.
I mean, at this point he probably has staff to do everything not related to actually filming videos, staff to write scripts, staff to do minimal "research", staff to edit...
You read these comments? Tell me how many of them seem "constructive". Yeah. Thought so. The history community is great. But they also have a terrible case of self importance.
@@johnathanera5863 Why do the comments on this video have to be constructive criticism? The youtubers have done a fine job of it already. And I'd hardly call the comments section "the history community". Some of us might be educated, but most of us come here *to be educated* , and also entertained. If matpat ignores this video because the comments on it are mean, then that's pretty sad.
My two cents. Not only with weapons, but when fighting barehanded we use two hands when we fight ... (7:30 oh. You mentioned it. Well done metaboy) and let's consider some kicks that we use when we attack on close quarters. You can attack with multiple limbs at the same time (brings me back memories of training american kempo)
That intro is pure Gold XD
Ah yes, Brittany is a glorious place. Fellow Celts👍
@@tireachan6178 much love Gaelic (I assume ?) friend !
Can someone tell me all the names he mentioned in the intro? ._.
@@ghastly9901 With pleasure :)
Schola Gladiatoria
Skallagrim
Knyghterrant
Shadiversity
LindyBeige
Here you are, if I forgot any, anyone feel free to correct me :)
@@gwennblei I think there was one more name which started with "th" I'm not sure...but thanks man appreciate it!
This is the second time he’s had a historical video debunked. Honestly he needs to do better or stip
Dont you see its all a work? One makes a video and all the others make a response so they can all make money from eatch others content.
@@mortenjacobsen5673 Lol no. Massive channels like GameTheory have massive audiences and couldn't care less if they get half their "facts" wrong, because they know their fanbase are mostly impressionable children/teens and will defend them anyway.
Controversy does increase traffic and keeps that algorithm rolling, but I don't believe for a second that this is some "work" like a wrestling angle. They just don't care, and if they rustle some feathers from small channels, so what.
Nah, the views (which =more adsense and being paid more for sponsorships) will keep coming in from children and young teens, no matter how much misinformation he spouts. He's gonna keep going because his young audience doesn't give a fuck.
@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 well the patern repeats
He needs to stop.
MatPat: "in the valhalla trailer they are tightly packed"
Metatron: "my dissapointment is immesurable, and my day is ruined"
I love the fact that Metatron is wearing armor while sitting at the computer, something about it seems funny
I stopped watching Matt Patt after I caught him in several bad mistakes and when a CZcamsr once called him on it, his response was not very professional.
Oh dear... On what topic...?
He really always came off to me as a bit snooty.
Do tell
The only time I come across him is when others try to correct his mistakes. Never checked if he responds to it though. Keep us updated :D
I remember him getting corrected several times, always dismissing critique as hate. Alao, all the Five Nights At Freddy's videos started getiing annoying. He definitely "sold out", he just pumps videos out that cash in on trends, I'm not saying he shouldn't do that, it's just that it looks bad, and quality can suffer.
I checked his channel a few weeks ago, he is still doing FNAF videos after, what, 5 years?
@@raccoonking7566
Anyone who misconstrues legitimate, humble, and valid criticism as "hate" automatically loses a large amount of my respect.
If that's how MattPat behaves then I'm truly disappointed in him and am glad I never subscribed or paid attention to him.
I've watched dudes in plate armor get knocked right out by a buckler punch... shield punching is a completely valid tactic.
Where do you see something like that these days?
@@rikgales123 imcf compations
@@rikgales123 Full contact sparing. Look up HEMA, god knows you're on the right part of CZcams
@@MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT as a boxer, if you knock someone out you are doing sparring very wrong
@@rikgales123 To be fair your average boxer doesn't have a shield , a gauntlet, leather backed chain mail , and their body weight behind a punch.
For the average person, noble Metatron, attacking your argument would be like a dual axe wielding viking standing under a machicolation during a siege.
Great video! I love the three of your content(you, shad, and Skallagrim.) I also love the fact that you are watching the video and strait responding to it, because it is kind of funny to see the provided images in his video prove him wrong. Great work! Also, when he talks about the wakizashi and katana, I get it, but they used the wakizashi as a backup weapon all the time. They did use it for some rituals, but that definitely confused me and I was glad I found your and shad's videos.
hmmm yes, my favorite medieval history channel, the metaboy
"You can only be offensive with one side of your body at a time."
*Laughs in eskrima/kali/arnis*
Even with only one weapon, eskrima teaches using your offhand to trap or grab the enemy's arms when blocking or parrying.
Ooh let’s make a list And add tonfa and sai
@@Skhmt
Correct. I practice Arnis and Shotokan Karate and my Master in both says a "dead hand" in combat is undesirable.
Hence the true role of the "Hikite" or the so-called "pulling hand" is to help seize the opponent and/or break his posture.
Better explained by Sensei Ian Abernathy here and the follow-up video to this: czcams.com/video/1IftIgEvnSc/video.html
@@KamenRider1 It's interesting watching HEMA Saber fighting, they always have their off hand on their hip.
@@Skhmt
Usually they do the "hand on the hip" thing when doing certain sequences.
We do (almost) the same in modern sparring for Arnis since you're only allowed to hit with your stick/blade. We have our hands close to the chest to guard the heart/vitals in the center of mass (torso).
When it gets closer than the effectiveness of sequences with the szabla/baston/espada, we still have to take that "dead hand" and use it to check/trap/control the opponent... As you may already be aware. 🙏🇵🇭
I Love your debunking/analysis Videos.
I was extremely hyped when the notification popped up and you (as always) didn't dissapoint me.
Love your Channel, keep that good work up!
I do love it when a community actually works together when debunking inaccuracies. It just makes things easier to understand
I am subbed to everyone except MedievalhistoryTV for a loooong time now. First time hearing of him somehow.
He Is great! Check him out!
It's Modern History TV ;)
He's the Bob Ross of medieval information
He’s awesome! Especially if you’re interested with any type of fighting on horseback
And Jason Kingsley has just the most wonderful horses, who are so very well-behaved and expressive! Lovely creatures, his horses.
Miyamoto Musashi is laughing his a-$~$ off in the afterlife watching this guy's video.
@Dux i don't know if he was very famous with the ladies to be honest lol.
He probably was but I don't think he cared at all, like, I read somewhere that he didn't take baths because it would leave him vulnerable to assasination lol
Is that a Sassanid king in your picture?
@@cahallo5964 That’s a misconception, all historical record indicated otherwise.
@@turtlesaredifferentfromtor6745 not taking a bath is different from not ever washing yourself, cuz you know, japanese baths are a whole ritual.
Also, the thing with using an Axe as a battlefield weapon is that it's not just a battlefield weapon. There were many uses for it. Also, I would think that the people who were raided (what Viking really meant by the way) by Norseman would argue if they could that the axe was a very effective weapon.
That intro...was some Mel Brooks level insults. Good job.
Todd's looking for target Practice volunteers?...
Watch his plumbata video, I think it might be in reference to that
After matpats video, I want to volunteer.
I love how Shad, Schola, Lindy and the metatron all work and play well together and just the HUGE amount of knowledge between just these four guys. I mean, at this point, watching their videos is more educational that most medieval/military history courses throughout most universities, ESPECIALLY undergrad classes.
Don't forget Skallagrim! Once he makes a reply to the video the For Honor trip will be complete and it really will be 2017 all over again.
Ok, I've been watching lots of your videos. You had me cracking up. I realized I hadn't subscribed. I'm sorry about that. I have rectified that. 6:52 You are correct. Part of my Muay Thair training over the years has included some dabbling into Eskrima and Sayoc Kali, both that employ some "dual wielding" used both offensively, or defensively, an "roof" block for instance, and a combination of both.
45 seconds in, and I'm subscribed. Great to have a new channel with a nice backlog of interesting videos. :)
I have to disagree with you when you say that shields aren't very heavy, they are indeed very heavy compared to a pen and a controller.
You got me there lol
You're not making your shields right mate LOL but seriously they usually aren't super heavy, shouldn't be too much heavier than a longsword so maybe 3 or 4 kgs at most
Could probably make a carbonfiber shield that was fairly light weight and still hurt like a beeotch. I think thats what some Riot shields are made from.
@@kaimagnus5760 Jorg Sprave on the slingshot channel made a poly carbonate one iirc
Oof.
6:48 You mentioned us... What have you done?!
But anyway, arnis is indeed very awesome.
Well, it's true though.
Us Arnisadors also use our "empty hand" in single stick/blade to trap/check/control the opponent like traditional Okinawan Karatekas encouraged in their lectures.
I remember in the show "Deadliest Warrior" (I know, I know) they did a great job showing how deadly a shield can be on its own. A hoplite shield could knock out, if not outright kill, an unarmored person if struck in the head. Sure a lot of the show was complete bs, but credit where credit is due, seeing the real thing go up against realistic analogs was pretty cool.
I didn't know about knight errand thank u so much. I've been subscribed to all of u guys for years. love your content
Hey!!! Another video on GT, last one is the reason I subscribed to your channel. The memories, what a nostalgia trip!
Oh I love it when everyone takes jabs at MatPat.
Just found your channel recently. Subscribed as you give good logical discussions.
About the argument of contact area: he is forgetting another physical property and that is hardness. Basically if you hit someone with your fist, tendons, muscle and bones are there. SOme of it has some leeway to give way and therefore basically "cushion" the impact and limit the amount of transfered force. With a shield that is less of an issue. Plus you have more weight with a shield, aiding with the kinetics and no chance to injure yourself, as opposed to hitting someone with a fist.
I was about to comment on something about Filipino traditional martial arts but Metatron just mentioned it. What a beast
Well even taekwondo has double teknuiqes and thats from Korea, kumgang, kung fu also has doubble teknuiqes.
@@mortenjacobsen5673 true but kali/eskrima/Arnis focuses on wielding a weapon in both hands
@@ViincenttB yes but attacks alternate from overhand and the under and from side to side,
@@mortenjacobsen5673 I'm not arguing against your point. I took taekwondo for years and I know that formal WTO taekwondo does not formally incorporate weapons training (only in some schools) unlike FMA that focuses on weapons
@@ViincenttB
True. Our modern practice (I am currently studying under the Cinco Teros style ) of Kali-Arnis focuses on weapons, but the dual wielding sequences also help in the dexterity of using the so-called "empty hand" in parrying/checking/trapping for using single weapons, as well as total empty handed techniques in Dumog and Panuntukan/Suntukan.
Similar in a way to the actual use of the "Hiki-te" (pulling hand) in Karatedo. It's meant to control/seize an opponent, and possibly to break their posture in close quarters.
Sensei Ian Abernathy made good videos on this: m.czcams.com/video/1IftIgEvnSc/video.html
Ahhh yes Shad opened the party but now it's really heating up
When it comes to the concept of spikes shields, in collaboration with another crusader like myself who is a guy who has made some weapons and studies history, like me, though my primary focus is the Crusades, he mentioned Spiked Shields were a decorative piece. They were Decor and not weapons, which fits them. And after the third time Mat has done this, well... I’m not willing to help him. But, my crusader comrade has made a good argument with dual wielding and he does seem proficient with it. And as a minor correction, Mat has some weapon experience. In choreography because in the same damn month you, Skall, and Shad made responses to him, on his TV Show, Game Lab, he hired a Choreographer to teach him swordplay, which me and my lad were rather offended by as sword enthusiasts. And also people who practice in the art of swordplay.
game theory introduced me to your channel nd skall years ago I was watching alot of his videos then I got yours as recommended so it ain't that bad...
So um the biggest advantage to a melee weapon is not giving you a bigger lever or greater reach, it is one very simple thing. It is a force multiplier. There are different ways to multiply that force that dont include extending your reach. Brass knuckles for example. They work by concentrating the force of your entire fist into the small surface area of the brass knuckles. Pretty sure Matt got like 4 things right in this video and one of them is his name.
First of all, OH MY GOD! You listed literally ALL of the channels that I mentioned on Shad's response to this video from Game Theory!
Second, I've got a question for you, Metatron. I watched your videos about the Netflix series Barbarians, and enjoyed them, but I have a question for you about which Barbarian leader you want them to do next. Arminius is part of a group that I call the Eleven Nightmares of Rome: Brennus, Hannibal, Viriathus, Spartacus, Vercingetorix, Arminius, Boudica, Fritigern, Alaric, Attila, and Geiseric. They've done Arminius now, but if you had to choose from the remaining ten in that Eleven which one you wanted to see them do next, which one would you pick? If I had to pick, I would choose Geiseric, King of the Vandals.
Lets not gang up on him, "shad gives hidden order to toxic fanbase
Geiseric: That's a nice fleet you have there... it would be a shame if someone send a fire ship at it
@@mortenjacobsen5673 We’re not a toxic fanbase. We just want the man to do a hell of a lot more RESEARCH to prevent himself from making outlandish claims that make him look like he doesn’t know anything about whatever he’s talking about.
@@kevinnorwood8782 and thats exactly what happend on another channel that should not be named, when an expert or more made a video response things got dirty. Real toxic. And now they argu about what a fictonal charactet does in a fictional game made by some people who belive history channels vikibgs is an accurate portail. There is an srgument that the shield was the primary weapon when used with a sword, axe, or other, Spears give a diffrent dynamic, but non mention or refrence this
@@kevinnorwood8782 czcams.com/video/hNeGypIkaCQ/video.html
Mat: *Makes a medieval video *
Metaboy: and I took that personally...
At this point, Metatron, Shad and Skallagrim should make a club dedicated to correcting Game Theory’s historical blunders.
metaboy.. the boy is so meta
Ah I love these bashing GT videos, lmao even though it really isn't a diss.
not bashing, currecting and refining my good man, mats near and dear to my heart, more so then metetron, yet mat strives for better, and metetron is a good man to help him get there!
@@shardinhand1243 that is true but still patt makes a bunch of outrageous theories.
@@doomerbear937 yup big agree met here is just the man to help mat better his knoledge
Metatron: I know that everyone who watches this video practises HEMA
ME: who never held a sword in his life
"A rubber duck may have zero damage probably less." You under estimate just how deadly a properly used rubber duck can be.
"I could kill a man with any object in this room."
*standing in a Toys R' Us*
*holds a Fortnite figurine menacingly*
"Say my name."
@@TealWolf26 "I will kill you with my teacup." ~The Riddick~
Well the Super Carline Brothers might be able to do the trick if they aren't editing all of those trick shots, maybe there is a sparing match on CZcams somewhere.
It can damage your self esteem... You don't want to know how traumatizing it can be...
@@averyrandomllama6516 I imagine it would be horribly emasculating in your last moments to realize you're about to be murdered by a plush toy.
26:50 I gotta disagree here. Most armies, even well trained ones like Romans would break into a charge in the last few meters. For example, at the Battle of Pharsalus, when Caesar's men were advancing at Pompey's line, the Centurions called an abrupt halt because Pompey's men refused to counter charge. Sure, depending on the formation they were using, like the Phalanx or Testudo the armies would be forced to march slowly, but the Phalanx was phased out for a reason, and you'd never want to attack an enemy position in Testudo unless you can't avoid it. Even in the exact time period Mat Pat's talking about, the only time you wouldn't want to charge the enemy would be if you're in a Shieldwall, and that's a defensive formation. You'd rarely advance directly into the enemy while in a Shieldwall, you'd wait for them to come to you or wait for them to stop raining projectiles on you.
You would want to attack an army in testudo formation with melee. Testudo is only for defence against missiles so it was mostly used to advance towards walls during sieges.
I was wondering if this was in the works. Now all we need is Skall's reply.
Great video! I'm not super knowledgeable on history, but I do have experience in sport (which isn't completely historically accurate either, but things still apply). Shields pack a lot of force! Even in full armor in a fight, wow when someone starts slamming you with their shield sometimes... I would argue the shield is more important in melee fights than the weapon itself really, it just plain packs more of a punch and force. I also have a teammate that uses dual axes... it's so annoying... in the best way for him. You can hook pieces of armor and weapons and completely disable a person, sometimes for what feels like a lot longer than "temporary". Just to add too, the largest dents in my armor and helmet are from blows from a 2 handed axe.
In a real fight against an armored opponent they should ideally have a hammer of some kind that would be a lot more forceful than a shield.
@@CarrotConsumer Much more forceful. Shield has multiple uses though and is a great weapon as well as defense. Definitely not just a non-offensive item for sure. I think in the sport and what I've done and seen, everything @Metatron says is spot on.
The duel wielding segment reminds me of a Zombie airsoft event I went to, I ran out of ammo on my primary so I wipped out my buddies two Webley revolvers with the (rubber) bayonet attachments. The “zombies” did not have a fun time trying to deal with that.
That opening is amazing. Mathew Patrick is in trouble.
Me: sees intro...
Also me: “oh THIS is gonna be good!”...
(Popcorn munching sounds) ...(needs more salt)...
Yes!!! 😁😁😁😊😊
A Roman sees Carthage : "Needs more salt"
Why not some butter?
"You can't do much damage with a shield"
Tell me how the grass tastes little man!
I wasn’t going to watch that episode of Game Theory, but then I saw that you and Shad felt the need to correct him. I then had to watch it and and just knew you were going to need to learn him something harsh! So great!