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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2023
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My PC Specs:
• CPU: Intel i5-12400F
• MB: ROG Strix B660-A
• Ram: 2x8GB XPG SPECTRIX D50 3600 MHz
• GPU1: Colorful RTX 3060 iGame Ultra W 12GB
• GPU2: Palit RTX 3050 StormX 8GB
• GPU3: MSI GTX 1650 DDR6 Ventus OC
• SSD: KINGSTON NV1 1 TB
• HDD: WD Bule 1TB
• PSU: Thermaltake LitePower 550w
• Case: Lain li 205 mesh white
• OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit
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1- M.2 nvme gen 3.0 2100 mb/s
2- SSD sata 510 mb/s
3- HHD 7200 rpm 150 mb/s
can you do starfield?
@@marlonmojar1829it’s not even out yet
HDD lol not HHD
Yes, but that's theoretically! In real world not much difference between M.2 nvme and SSD sata.
That’s a very slow M2 drive
RIP HDD
you worked hard for us gamers back in the early 2000s, it's time for sleep.
early 2000s? i didn't even know about SSD and got a IDE HDD pc back in 2007 and discovered them when they were really expensive back in 2012, i think at that time it was their start for consumer grade and only 1% could afford or wanted such premium
One should have retired HDD's a long long time from games. They are still great to store large files that don't need fast transfer speeds such as high quality videos. 10TB drives costs about 100€ here. With that money you can get 2TB nvme from a "PingPong"-brand. Sure it's faster, but with 1/5 of capacity.
In my computer I have three M.2 nvme drives, two SATA SSD's and two HDD's. They all have a purpose :)
I remember when my dad got me a 10gb hard drive and that was a dream.
@@randombedroomguitarrist5253which year?
HDDs has their uses as they provide huge storage for lower cost. they are most commonly used as storage backup primarily used in NAS systems nowadays you can deploy 2x 14 TB for the cheap.
Get 4x 14TB and use it as backup drive and when one drive fails you can simply RMA the broken drive and your file is still intact lol.
This shows that even a simple SATA SSD is an incredible upgrade for the vast majority of people, HDD is really a hard choice today, the difference is brutal not even on loading but especially in random access causing stutterings.
Sata has a same price with m.2
Just about to upgrade from HDD to SATA SSD. Gamer laptop I bought at the end of 2017, and games like Forza, Enshrouded, GTA 5 etc. takes forewer to load. Hoping it will halves the times needed
@@Kuppancs.me too, my Gaming Laptop from 2017 is running like I have it buyer yesterday. The only issue is the hdd
I'm surprised by the little difference in loading times between SSD et M2. M2 is at least twice faster than SSD but the loading times are just a bit faster !
Games dont need that much speed.
@@serkan5951which applications need it then
3:18 So I guess that's great optimization on Santa Monica Studios' part, won't you agree?
I was literally so amazed
Игры Sony PlayStation заточенный под HDD
"Bro get an nvme gen 4 it'll load so quick" meanwhile sata ssds being only a few seconds behind: 👁👄👁
Rdr2 is so optimized that it only has a 20s average difference compared to an SSD.
Spiderman has literally the same speed bro
That's poorly optimised. It's not that they caught up hard drives, it's that they aren't properly utilising ssds. That's why all configurations still take ages to load 💀💀💀.
I guess we came far enough to pretend rdr2 was ever optimized
@@hua..Rdr2 was so bad at launch I remember
I was stunned when I went nvme. I mean... all my drives are seagate 7200Rpm barracuddas... BUT... and I hate to admit it.... One Sililicon Power 2TB Nvme for - very, very little money.... My boot time is 6 seconds, loaded, AV, VPN, done. I never used to care - at all. But its one of those - once your used it... no going back! Even if you can only afford a 256 etc... its worth it. So much faster... Mine is a B450 - so old.... And even it is quick now.
HDD is not made to play with, for people that dont know, just stock games inside it and movies and tv show, if you want play games you should always use sata ssd or m.2 , i recommand using ssd sata for single players games, and m.2 for heavy demending multiplayer games, cause multiplayer games you need to be more quicker in loading.
Great advice
@@samogx86 🙂 Thank you
Thanks dude just the video I was looking for. Straight to the point. I wonder if emulators can take advantage of NVME? Especially those roms that come off CD's. Would they load faster or nah? I got a Samsung 980 2 TB nvme with heatsink over a year or two ago and everything is still going super quick and I only put the important stuff on the drive besides games.
Whenever i installed games on ssd i never encounter any stutter such as i installed cyberpunk after phantom liberty update on i7 4770 16gb & rx 470 8gb although fps is around 40 to 50 the game never ever stutter for a single second on my 870 evo.
is it just me or ssd really are the standard storage now gaming
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I'd only use HDDs for mass storage if I was extremely short on cash. HDDs are obsolete, period. EDIT: My chest hurts when I see new laptops being sold with spinners. I'd rather buy an i3 with an SSD than an i9 with an HDD.
@@diegoleiva7242I mean you could just take the hdd out of the i9 computer and put in an SSD and computers with i9s usually have nvme's in them anyways
I think this difference is due to how SSD technology works not the read/write speed. M.2 SSD and SATA SSD has difference 4-5 times on read and write but in reality is ~1 second load time.
On the other hand SATA SSD vs SATA HDD has also around 4 times read write difference but in reality the difference is huge. Form what I understand from this is spending loads of money to get GEN4 and GEN5 is unnecessary is only gaming is your priority and also I cant find another real life scenario where you need GEN4 and GEN5 unless you want to benchmark everyday.
But which HD, SSD and Nvme m.2 were you using, which model and brand in each test? are equivalent
in the description
HDD: "ME ANOTO UN AMIGO"
What's important is the Random R/W aka IOPS speed. You tested it with NV1, which is a low-grade nvme which doesn't help and a lot of cheap PCIE 4 nvme are a huge lie as they can't reach the PCIE 4 speed in the first place
Many Games used nvme on 550Mbs only
As you can see, HDD -> SSD is worth it, SATA SSD -> NVMe SSD not much so, regardless of the NVMe drive.
@@radosuaf Kingston NV1 is a slow NVME. read/write speeds up to 2,100/1,700MB/s
My Silicon Power 4TB XS70 is 7,200/6,800MB/s, usually hits around 6,900/6,700MB/s and was only $199. Definitely load a lot faster than his. So yes, worth it.
@@thedoctor7158 A have a Blade S70 and it's quick as well, but that does not really translate to any visible gains compared to SATA in normal usage.
@@radosuaf My games load a lot faster than they do from my SSD. Shave off load time by about 5-10 seconds depending on the game. Might not seem like much time to you but once you hit 50+ like me, every second counts.
M.2 is only the slot type. So did you test with M.2 SATA or M.2 NVME ? Secondly SSD = solid state drive, which means there are no moving parts unlike in HDD so M.2 SATA and M.2 NVME are also SSDs.
M.2 nvme & SSD sata
who even uses m.2 sata
@@ishiddddd4783 It is in use by some laptop models, the cheaper ones.
@@CyberPun it's still incredibly niche use application, because even super low end laptops like the E510 from asus use nvme.
Not trying to be a smartass, but when people talk about M.2, 99.99% will be talking about nvme since no current motherboard or midrange laptop uses m.2 sata.
@@ishiddddd4783 I understand your point of view. Will be taken into consideration on the future updates.
Hmmm what are some of those developers doing wrong that they can't optimize the loading times of hdd? Some of those games had no issues while others had a lot of problems mainly Sons of the Forest. Very strange results.
Games are significantly getting bigger and it causes issues when you get into different details of the game...older memory just doesn't handle it as well...
with GPU being bigger i think it worth invest in motherboard with more than 2 M.2 compatible my RTX 4070 just ate all the space for 3 of my SATA slot for SSD 💀
you can fix it by using PCIe x16 extension but it cost the same as a M.2 1TB price at my country 💀
Bad MB design. Maybe angled SATA cables would do?
Me thinking in buying an nvme for gaming since my hdd is almost full: ok you made your point. Im gonna buy one tomorrow😂
Some games this days require NVME or SSD to work without problems
How you think my load time will be? I got my parts waiting to buy cabinet and cooling system on Wednesday.
My setup
Intel Core i9 14900KF 6ghz
64 gb ddr5 ram 4800mz
Ssd nv2 pcle 5.0 7500 mbs
Rtx 3050 Eagle eye 6gb
Perfect with 7500m/s
Is SATA ssd okay for game storage this 2024? My build doesn't have nvme slot. Thanks!
SSD mach better then HHD
hdds are still way more reliable and stores the data physically, for important data its better than ssds.
M.2 and SSD are respectfully fast the M. 2 is the fastest because clearly it's a chip and not a drive. SSD does not rely on a disc which makes it faster and less chance of becoming faulty. But HDD, yeah it can go kill itself.
I have M.2 3000mb/s ssd and it takes 10 sec for cyberpunk
Now I'm a little bit curious. Does it also impact the performance?
Just in few first second when game start
I mean ssds are way faster but hdds are dirt cheap and have a shit ton of storage so might be worth it in the end
Wow ssd's are almost a must these days.
it is standard this days.
My pc gtx1050 i5 4460 8ram hdd
Can i play rdr2 with 30 frame at least
Yes on 720p
You should have tested Rust loading time . Out of all the games only this game has terible loads with hdd .
are they from the same brand and simalar hardware
SSD & m.2 from kingston
God of war didnt care
But that being the exception, you would think hard drives would be $5 for 2tb at this point. Those dinosaurs are just too slow
External or internal? Will I see these speeds or similar on an external SSD?
A Samsung T7 SSD has a read speed of roughly 950MBs and a write at around 840MBs. For external SSDs, it's vital that you use a cable that is capable of the maximum speed of the SSD and that you plug it into a port that supports high enough speeds, which in this case would be USB 3.1 Gen 2 and higher. Thunderbolt ports are all capable of running the fastest external SSDs on the market.
Personally, I use all 3 for storing my games.
1. Games I frequently play on my PC which I know have long load times go to my NVME SSD. My NVMEs have top speeds of roughly 5100MBs, so about two times the speed of the NVME SSD used in testing this video. Though, realistically the load times won't be two times faster, rather it shaves off an extra second or two in most scenarios except for games that are designed to use such fast SSDs.
2. Games I like to be portable, or don't need as much speed, go onto my array of external SSDs. My external SSDs are in the range of 940MBs to 1920MBs, and my highest-end externals are almost as fast as old NVMEs.
3. Every other game, mostly singleplayer games, goes onto my SATA SSDs. All of them range around 550MBs or just a bit higher depending on how new they are.
So, overall, I'd say externals are solidly in the middle in terms of SSDs and some almost outclass the old gens of NVMEs. Of course, keep in mind that external SSDs are typically more expensive than internal ones, though the obvious added benefit is their portability.
na the difference between high end M2 or ssd isnt that big. Where i really get the difference is ingame, when huge new stuff simply plops. Or some visionary Game like Star citizen There is not the slightest sign that the game needed to load some Gigabyte just now. With mvp AC Valhalla Boat simply is there the moment you take the horn into the hands. With SSD there is a tiny lag, when the cam starts turning. With HDD you can fly to vacation before the cam start turning to the dragon ship^^
Star Citizen is definitely like one of the games where the M2 would really shine from how massive the game is when it comes to loading it.
Backround loading is also a very important thing. The informations the client need to download, when u getting close to other pilots. One of us has a first gen ssd and a really bad pc. Its not even a teen pc much more bambus^^ Sometimes his game stands for almost a minute. With the modern rigg, i have zero micro lags. As soon the connection is done. Its a tiny lag in the loading animation, it takes 5-10sec and iam in the game. M2 is really quick, if the rest is fast aswell, ofc
@@Redsword603
Im more concerned about fps
nvme vs sata ssd, speed not so significant
not bad at all for the HDD. direct storage will speed all that up too. exos HDD for the win!
Micro center baby🎉
did you see any problem while using ssd for game storing like ( lower ssd health ) because i want to fully remove hdd from my pc and use 2 tb ssd to store games
Not yet, but you should pay attention after its run out TBW on your SSD
I stored Steam games on SSD for like 3 years now and new games are quite large. It works just fine. My new build is going to be NVME only. New disks are like 1300 TBW, so it's installing 10000 130GB games.
@@KB-mo3sxis sata ssd is good enough ?? I'm switching from.hdd .
@@aspirewot8408
IT is good enought, as you can see in the video there is almost no difference for games loading. Your internet connection is also probably max 1Gb (125MB)/s so good quality sata drive should have minor inpact. Just buy a good sata ssd like crucial or samsung and you should have no problems.
@@KB-mo3sx idk but my old WD hdd had slow loading times in games like bf2042 , gta 5 n rust . So that's why I'm switching and I can't get nvme because I've 4th gen mobo . Will change it later
Wow! I decided not to upgrade my SATA SSD to NVME SSD! SATA is powerful enough.😍
Good choice!
Nvme is still kinda pointless unless you really need those extra 5 seconds
About performance, yes, but Nvme doesn't need extra sata/power cables. Sata slots shouldn't be a problem but power could be
I think we can skip the HDD in these tests now.
Your labels make no sense. M.2 is simply a form factor and can be for both SATA SSDs and NVMe SSDs. Also, having one labelled as just "SSD" is odd. Both SATA SSDs and NVMe SSDs are SSDs.
Thats why you need to read the description or the pinned comment before you rant here lol!
could you pin a comment stating drive full% and is the nvme 4.0 or 5.0 and hdd 5400 or 7200 rpm and cahce plz? other than that great video!! thumbs up, liked!!
Yes I can
Miles optimization Morales
NVME got none opitization... sadly.
Wdym lol? It's just too fast and games isn't the main uses of nvme
@@mr.commonsense6645but for me it is.
@@m.m.3753 it's not about you
@@mr.commonsense6645 but about Gamers, and there are a lot of us
@@m.m.3753 it's isn't about you guys, even windows can't take advantage of the extra speed, and they cost the same now, so stop crying and go edit some videos if you want to take advantage of the speed
SSD ✅
❤
did you test SSHD ??
No
Does alt tabbing while the game is loading make it slower?
No
HHD?
WD Blue 7200 rpm
@@rtytihe says about preview
Hogwarts legacy is unplayable with a HDD
Yes you can, I used it on a HDD.
Lol Na I'd day only game HDD struggles with is Rust it takes 30 mins to load into server
Even GTA 5 is okay with hdd ..Hogwarts is no where near that
@@aspirewot8408are you sure? czcams.com/video/jkBdUziBRl4/video.html
God of war?how is it possible?
PS4 Games port not effect with ssd
Can you install the game on an nvme m2 with windows already installed on the m2?
Yes you can
@@rtyti Doesn't the nvme 2.m ssd run out of life? if i install heavy game