F1 STRATEGY - How the Hungarian GP went wrong for so many (mainly Ferrari, let's be honest)
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The Hungarian Grand Prix was weird. Strategies seemed to get a bit loosey goosey. So let's use this opportunity to look at exactly what goes into a race strategy.
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Ferrari have three strategists. One who decides when to pit, one who decides which tyre to use, and one who is keeping an eye on what is happening on track.
They had a bit of a falling out a couple years ago and are no longer on speaking terms.
So fire them?
@@GrantMerle its a joke babe
Or, is it possible that each of the three are in different countries, and are communicating by email(or smokesignals) during the race?
@@Chtulhu1204 They send each other emails, but they don't access their emails during the race deliberately because they concentrate on the race
@@d9zirable A telex, surely.
I didn't see Piastri denying that announcement anywhere so I guess this great channel will become even more amazing :D
@@SimRacingVeteran Maybe you don't understand irony.
@@smokeybandit9760 ROFL
@@heiituaku what does ROFL mean..? I have been seen of everywhere as of recently.
@@jagrathty2743 ROFLMAO
@@jagrathty2743 rolling on the floor laughing
“This one is going to be good” - me before I even clicked the video….
Well, better than saying "what a great video" 5 seconds after starting it, I guess...
I say that for all his videos data261
11:03 Piastri is doing everything! So excited for him.
You missed the Haas being first to find out just how garbage the hards were to race on due to Kmag's insatiable meatball craving and yet STILL putting them on Mick's car (despite having the extra set of mediums) to ruin his race after a great first stint. It's even more shocking than Ferrari's blunder.
Also, AM having Seb hold station behind a slower Lance for ~10 laps, leaving him no time to overtake the hards in front when they finally let him past. He could've gotten both Alpines and maybe even Norris otherwise
To be fair to Stroll his race was already ruined when he got hit by Ric. AM should've definitely let Seb past eventually, though.
@@AbsoleteAim Actually his race was ruined since he was on soft
Enter 3rd stop Lance doesn't had any medium left, force him to use soft which gave best traction but it degrade his tyre faster
@@luuduonghy659 Has nothing to do with Ric hitting him.
Haas strategy is probably the worst on grid, there's been plenty of shocker this season. The spotlight just arent on them
@@lawszepie In Canada can't believe Haas let Kevin drive for 63 laps on hard
****
As if the previous recap with the "Ferrari debrief" wasn't enough, this is just salt in the wounds lol. Why, Ferrari? Why?!
See I knew we should have kept the tyre rainbow. Thinking in colours is just so much simpler then weird tyre codes even ferrari could do it on occasion.
Their haircuts are highly fashionable though.
Ferrari weren't the only team had horrible strategy today
Alpine and Bottas strategy also pretty bad to be honest as they went on hard tyre, while hard had a horrible traction and at lap 66(I think), from being inside top 10 they are nowhere as Alpine was 10-15s behind Norris while Bottas is dropped to 12th(He retired due to mechanical failure)
In the end 8th place Alonso only finish nearly 3s ahead of Vettel from being at least 15-20s ahead of him
Ferrari: Why not?
The screens haven't arrived yet, so their strategists still don't know what's happening in the race
10:50 we been doing this since 2007, it's never tiring, especially because Ferrari always gives us new material.
"Singapore was indeed a circus, and Luca provided the clowns" - Bernie in 2008
I listened to a lot of the Pit channels during races and Sebastian Vettel was at some point basically running the Ferrari strategy from his cockpit.
Constantly inquiring about weather and track conditions, tire health, track position of other cars and delta times. Suggesting alternative tire and pit strategies etc.
He communicated a lot more with his team than other drivers.
This in addition to the already high Workflows drivers already have during a race.
He sometimes even overrode what his pit wall ordered/suggested him to do usually his idea of a strategy worked out better.
You could tell that he didn’t trust his pit wall to make the right calls.
Incidents like the one in Hungary show why
One of the reasons I doubt Alonso will have the patience to stay there in a multi year contract.
You forgot to mention that Verstappen and Perez also decided in the first lap to the grid that they had no grip and wanted to start on the soft tire. Red bull first wanted to also start on hard but decided last minute to change the strategy based on the first lap to the grid.
Max is the Master of the Outlap. And that actually allows Red Bull to perfectly execute these aggressive undercut strategies that have paid out so often.
I feel like one of the big issues at Ferarri is half of them can’t even understand English when Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz are trying to relay info to them.
“Copy, We’re checking”
The Red Bulls, Mercedes, and Lando Norris looked like absolute rock stars at the Hungarian Grand Prix.
1:50 It’s interesting to think that Horner expected Max to go from P10 to P5 because under those targets both Red Bull drivers really delivered as Max ended up P1 and Sergio was able to go from P11 to P5 whilst still protecting Max’s pitstops from both Mercedes and Ferarri’s on track.
Lando Norris gets P7 best of the rest while Denial Riccardo is P15 with zero points.
Only for Hamilton
There's enough of a gap between Red Bull and the midfield that they would be extremely dissappointed to have either driver finish outside the top 6. I think with Ferrari's blunders P3 and P5 or P2 and P5 were well within reach. But getting the race win and a comfortable race win was really a show of force from Max.
There's also the question of whether Ferrari would have panicked so much if it weren't for Max's outstanding performance
Lando Norris??
@@quituccio1583 Lando Norris got the best of the rest P7 finish despite the fact that both Alpines were generally faster; all while his teammate Denial Ricciardo once again was P15 with zero points in P15.
@@SilverScarletSpider tbf it was a bit of a weird one for DR. i think without the crash he might've still finished outside the points, only because McLaren strategy was terrible and they decided to put him on hards instead of softs. Lando really did good but Alpine botched their strategy BIG TIME and by the time Lando was on hards he was already way up the road from both of them.
In the last time I often hear some podcast about old racing drivers and about racing in the past in general.
Every guest, who drove/had connection to Ferrari told, how unprepared and strange Ferrari was.
Still after this amount of time Ferrari hasn't changed a little bit. It is really remarkable...
Wasnt the case in the schumacher era
@@nonbreapelido3549 The team was being run by outsiders back then. Once they went back to doing everything internally they were a disaster again.
@@nonbreapelido3549 Yes, but that was only because of Schumacher.
@@Name_42 I'd say that was because of Ross Brawn
@@benfulford3943 and Todt. Don't forget he was also there during that short period
Leclerc :- whats tyre am i going on
Meanwhile the strategist :- cheers guys 🍻🍻
Ferrari Strategist: standby we'll get back to you.
We are checking 🍕🍕🍕🍕🍕
I’ve been a massive Ferrari fan since Vettel joined in 2015, it was frustrating to see the 2017/18 seasons fall away towards the end but this 22 season has been like nothing I’ve ever seen before in F1 in terms of strategy blunders by a team. Really testing my patience in supporting them now!
That small drizzly (technically not wet until very end) probably messed up some predicitions about tires too - even small amount of water (rain drops are pretty cold) on track can suck up a ton of heat, cooling tire surface more than it should (on paper).
Binotto should look at this video, and maybe learn something on how to make a strategy. Leclerc simply doesn’t deserve any of this.
I'm a Ferrari fan, been one my whole life and if Leclerc wants to win WDC he should talk to Toto about driving for Merc when Hamilton retires. Ferrari won't let him win one.
@@thirdplace3973 I think Ferrari will kill all of Leclerc's passion for motorsport long before Hamilton retires. Even now you can see in post-race interviews that the light in his eyes has gone out.
Nah don’t worry he’ll be honing his skills on F1 Manager over the break
@@tjenadonn6158 Hamilton won't stay for long, I thought he was gonna retire after 2021.
@@thirdplace3973 A few more races and seasons like this and Leclerc will quit motorsport entirely and become an advocate for car-free urban planning. If he was of a fierier disposition we could see him turning into the Joker in real time week by week. This sort of treatment by one's team breaks an athlete: look at the ironically named Andrew Luck in American football: prospected to be one of the greatest quarterbacks of his generation and possibly in the history of the game, hung out to dry by the Indianapolis Colts, quit the game entirely after only six seasons in the NFL. Leclerc could easily be F1's Andrew Luck.
Funny story, I watched the Ferrari debrief parody video with my gf who doesn't watch F1. I was also explaining how Ferrari have a bad reputation for strategy.
We then watched hungry (her 3rd time watching a race). She wanted Leclerc to win as she saw his engine catch fire in 1st in a previous race. She got to see Ferrari have another huge strategy flop first hand, as a one day Ferrari fan, it was funny.
Sainz engine caught fire, not Leclerc.
That Piastry joke got me so hard I almost fell off my chair :)))
At the start of the season I told my friend 'Only Ferrari can defeat Ferrari this season' and my statement rings true. Also making fun of Ferrari for doing stupid things never gets boring. sBinalla
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I remember in the race when Mattia was asked if he was worried about Max's pace, he answered he wasn't worried and that they were on different strategies or something on those lines. After Max pitting, Charles pitted to "cover Max". If they were on different strategies, why would ferrari need to pit Charles? The strategy at Ferrari really, really needs rethinking
No matter how many times Ferrari messed up their strats, it will never fail to be funny.
Feel bad for Sainz and Leclerc tho
Yeah. They both are great drivers who deserve a good team to race for.
Well, Sainz wasn't on hards so he should have done better himself
@@CRNOBELI09 Sainz had a time penalty I believe. Or maybe that was last race.
@@thirdplace3973 tbh I dont remember if he had it or not, if thats the case that would explain his final position
@@CRNOBELI09 He got a 5 second time penalty for leaving the box in unsafe manner, almost hit a crew member from McLaren.
The real powermove would be if you actually had Piastri on the channel for a one off video, it would be hilarious
What a channel this is. Very technical and also with good sense of humour. Congrats!
The fact that Ferrari covered teams who were running different strategies is Picard-facepalm gif worthy. _Different_ strategies means pitting at _different_ times! *_Basta!_*
Great graphics and explanation. Continue the good work !
A million F1 videos on CZcams; yours are the simply the best. Please, don't ever change a thing. I love your illustrations and analysis. Thank you :)
It is as if there is a -"how can we mess it up" department at Ferrari, whereby analysis is done systematically for different areas taking turns screwing things up. In the beginning it was Sains part, crashing more than usual, then strategists took over, then it was Leclerc's turn, then strategists... I feel sorry for the tiffosi who still expect Ferrari to turn the tables. It simply will not.
I mean I hope they can turn it around, but it's ferrari we're talking about
they'll sooner turn the car around and drive it the wrong way than turn the tables
It's right next to the Spaghetti Department where all the real Ferrari F1 action takes place.
Million dollar operation could've picked literally anyone from the audience with an ounce of knowledge about tyre strategy and done a better job.
I’ve really liked these new video styles that go into more depth on a specific issue. The more general race overviews are still welcome but the variety is better
Great video script. Lovely animations too (:
11:03 This is gold !
Great video as always by the way. About Ferrari, I guess you told everything there was to say about them in the last video. Even Formula Dank is having a hard time getting new jokes..
"Hamilton was running a verstappen pace race". Yes, but ham was pushing to the limit while verstappen was just managing the lead
fair point
Only in the last stint, and it was clear that Hamilton also started managing his pace, once it became clear he didn't have enough laps to close the gap. That Merc is still some 3 or 4 tenths off pace, but it seems like it's closing the gap.
Verstappen was also pushing in the middle stint since he too had to put again, there was no need to mange. Jp even told him to push
@James Black Max had a clutch issue during the race.
Great video, best explanation for the ferrari desaster i have seen
Great content!
Very good analysis.
Hope you are all good man, we all miss you!
Thank you Chain Bear!
Piastri is at it again!
Given how bad the Hard were, I kind of wonder how fast a 3-stop with 3 stints of Softs, each about 15-20 laps, and 1 stint of Mediums of about 20-25 laps would have been in comparison to the one-stop, for teams that only had one set of mediums.
Given how long the pit lane is, almost certainly not worth it
Alpha did exatcly that with Tsunoda; SMSS and was garbage strategy also
Ferrari making mistakes was funny, then worrying, then funny again, now it's... A problem
Fantastic video. Jokes on point. Keep up the good work.
11:11 gave me a huge laugh! Thank you for another fantastic video
Been waiting for this 😅
Been waiting for your vid 😂
Great explanation on the tire compounds, one thing though is the working temp ranges don't necessarily linearly go up with compound hardness, Pirelli has tended to alternate high- and low-working range tires in the range throughout history; when the compounds were named (HS-US-SS-S-M-H-EH) the US-S-H tires were low working range and the HS-SS-M-EH tires were high working range (or maybe it was the other way around), and then the softness is built into the tire for its working range. Not sure if Pirelli is still doing that anymore but I would guess they are, to offer a variety of working ranges to teams when they select 3 out of 5 compounds.
Great analysis, a very intriguing race as we had to have the top 6 and their strategies (🍕🍕🍕) on our minds.
Congrats to Oscar on his co-presenter promotion!!
That piastri joke really caught me off guard, nice one ChainB
It would be nice if Pirelli would let the teams decide what tires to use instead of picking three for them to choose from. Imagine how much the strategies would differ then
It used to be 7 compounds in 2018 (hyper soft-ultra soft-super soft-soft-medium-hard-super hard). It becomes too complex to watch so Pirelli make it simple afterward.
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Hahaha, Piastri joining! That's hilarious. :D
Please do a video about Latifi's FP3 P1, or how shocks like that can happen in general.
Absolutely blown away by the excitement and the competitiveness that we are getting from the Ferrari F1 team, if not in their racing or strategies, then definitely in their hearts! 😊💕.
1:20 wafer thin... I should not be laughing about this, but I am
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. That Oscar Piastri bit was hilarious!
Ferrari could really use some Brilliant courses to learn the logic and maths behind tyre strategies
I wish there was more mention of Red Bulls brilliant simplicity. Drive up to the back of Hamilton, undercut. Drive up to the back of Sainz, undercut.
I'm not a Red Bull fan. At all. Have to tip my cap though, that was so smart.
They were on it this race. No doubt they'll win both championships.
@@wiegraf9009 Already have won to be honest
@@user-eh1gc7xo7q No doubt
I've been laughing and crying (Lando style) all week at silly season and still fell for the Piastri joke at the end 😅
Aw man, I can't believe Ferrari screwed up so much that we've reached the point where joking about them isn't even funny anymore :(
Piastri joke was a delight!
Lol that ending is a mess lol 😅😅😅😅
At this point, i'm beginning to think that Ferrari and Leclerc are poking each other in the eye out of spite. The only person with any sanity seems to be Sainz.
Remember for the last 8 years that whenever Merc or Lewis pulled something like this off, most people would always say... "well they have the best car"?
Loved!!!!
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past...
So I got into F1 on CZcams because of Chainbear, videos watched every GP weekend. Over time, the algorithm recommends other F1 channels, mostly mainstream, Tommo, the race etc. Then a bit more niche and then really small gossipy ones. And after a year of progressively less good content this is the first Chainbear video I get recommended and there I am thinking, "thank goodness he's alive, what was wrong. Oh, nothing, he's been posting regularly, it's just that CZcams is today too complicated.
And before y'all say it, I'm not pressing the bell.
Does Chainbear has a video explaining tire rules during weekend? i feel a lot of people missing ou on that info.
Liked purely for the ending 🤣🤣
Ferrari had the chance to have their drivers on different strategies as well, either could have been on the S-M-M strategy like Max/Perez and the other on M-M-S like Hamilton, they instead had both drivers on the same strategy. The situation of Mclaren and Alonso with the hards brought up a very good point.
Mclaren didn't have a second set and HAD to factor in the hards since they didn't have enough tires.
Alonso used the hards, but they correctly used the strength of the hards, they did a one-stop which is what the hards allowed them to do.
But Ferrari with Leclerc, they forced themselves to react to the cars on DIFFERENT strategies than them, and effectively played themselves into a corner when they reacted to Max's 2nd pit. They could have just kept Leclerc out for longer so the softs can survive the 3rd stint, but they wanted to react to Max's pit. They got what they wanted, they came out in front of Max after the pit, then Max just overtook Leclerc anyway since the hards were trash.
True, but because they still had to use the softs, they were going to lose track position to Verstappen anyway, which is not something that's supposed to happen when you start that much in front. It seems Ferrari's Russell-beating strategy left them vulnerable to Verstappen.
can only imagine Piastri and Ferrari doing a stunt where Piastri was inside Ferrari's strategy centre
I definitely got the impression that Ferrari were gambling on rain arriving, and thought they would never have to use a second slick compund.
That does not add up in any way.
If that were true they would've gone long on the 2nd stint waiting for the rain ro arrive, and if they pitted they would have put the softs on for many reasons
Next up: Piastri joins Ferrari as Lead Strategist for 2023
After your video last week I thought they will learn bro
Awesome 😎👍
Hahaha, I absolutely passed myself at the Oscar Pistorious joke! Haha
Hi, just wanted to say I found the lap time graphs quite hard to read due to the colors changing seemingly randomly with the stints. For example and maybe especially at 9:06 with everything being some shade of red; the one at 10:02 is much better.
You *had* to throw in the Oscar Piastri thing
I don't think anyone looked at the average August temps for the race. I think they had up to date weather forecasts. I don't know how far off they were, but certainly not by 14C, not the day ahead or the hour ahead forecast. The showers may have been harder to predict even an hour ahead and may have dropped the temperature or cooled the pavement by a few degrees.
The commentators said Pirelli commented that they don't consider hards a viable tire in these conditions.
checo with no strat errors to blame, marko called him out too for being slow in practice too.
So I'm not the only person who quotes the "whaffer thin" Monty Python bit!
Lololol I just love your content
Seems like Ferrari didn’t trust Le Clerc to have enough pace to win, so “intervened” with dumb tyre choices.
Why does the rain reset the track? I thought the rubber gets stuck to the asphalt, is it that easy for water falling from the sky to dislodge it?
Do you think that the better mix of tyres across the weekend with the soft typically being a quali tyre and the hard a good race tyre is more to do with Pirelli getting their compound steps and choices right, or something to do with the new cars? In the past we often saw Pirelli claiming to be very aggressive with compounds but the racing repeatedly turning up boring one-stops. Even with free tyre choice for the Q3 runners we aren't having that so much now.
I think its the new wheels? Arent these wheels cuz of the short wheelbase more agressive at tyre deg?
Hamilton outpacing Verstappen despite driving a car that's worse in virtually every way is hopefully a preview of the second-half of the season. Max may have already secured a second championship, but at the very least he needs a genuine threat race-to-race.
A video talking about Ferrari strategy that is sponsored by Brilliant is the most ironic thing I've ever heard.
Wait so the rain removes the rubber layer laid on by the previous cars?
Omg that ending hahahaha
Saint strategy was also bad because the stopped too soon in the first stint, making him run 25 laps with te softs in te last one. He had a lot of problems at the end of the race
The Red Bull strategy really paid off handsomely. Verstappen was able to quickly pass the midfield cars (the Alpines offered some resistance, while Norris' softs were gone within ten laps for some reason) and then he was able to undercut Hamilton at the first round of stops and Russell at the second round. Ferrari tried to cover him by pitting Leclerc early, but this backfired greatly as we know. Sainz decided to go much longer, so he lost track position to Verstappen as well, and he didn't really have the pace to regain it. Instead, he also lost a place to Hamilton, who was on even fresher tires at the end. Sainz would later say he just didn't have the pace, which seems right. Leclerc was faster in the race and with Sainz' strategy he might have been able to challenge Verstappen for the win, though his pace on the softs was not very impressive either.
11:10, okay, spill it, who threw the kettle at you XD?.
perfect ending
Ferrari pit wall defo gonna use this video to determine their future strategies
The funniest bit is that Ferrari said all their "data" suggested the hards would come good. Except they never ran the hards at any point during the weekend before that, so where they got this data from is a mystery.
I already made a bet that Leclerce will stop listening to strategist orders
Makes more sense now
Anyone know where i can find the grapic @2:00 before every race ?
The Mr Creosote reference lol
The difference between RB and ferrari is that RB manages to change their strategy just from the preparation lap (I forgot the word starting with letter R) to the grid to deduce that hard is utter-garbage. Whereas Ferrari can't tell that even if it is proven to be utter-garbage by many other teams.