It's an absurd conviction. If anyone claims it's good because "eVeRyOnE iS UnDeR ThE LaW," ask them to explain how statute of limitations expired misdemeanors magically become felonies because of NY Election Law Section 17-152. I can almost guarantee you that the person can't tell you. Ask them how jury instructions can be that the jury doesn't have to agree on an underlying predicate crime, even if the crime they agree on is a FECA violation, which is a federal crime (having the underlying crime be a federal crime is "novel" lol). As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, NY Election Law Section 17-152 doesn't even make sense because it claims a conspiracy by unlawful MEANS, even though the means are how one or more people accomplish a criminal conspiracy. The means aren't a crime, they're how a crime of conspiracy is enacted. That state law says that the means are what conspirators use to help a person get elected; of course helping someone get elected isn't a crime, so the means then MUST be crimes themselves. If this sounds confusingly circular to you, that's because it is.
The FECA issue doesn't even hold because of the timeline. Even if he had reported it as an NDA payment/loan rather than as a legal expense that report wouldn't have happened until after the election, so it would have no impact on the election itself.
Well these are the same people who believe election denying conspiracy theorists are so dangerous that we must jail Trump, but fortunately, he paid off a porn star in a conspiracy to rig the 2016 election.
Wow. I hope you're an attorney and not trying to be a faux one on CZcams. Because I'd say 99 percent of your questions have been answered. Probably not answered by someone with sufficiency under your political stripe to explain it, but explained nonetheless. In the meantime. He's a felon.
@kbuckendorf4287 such as where? CNN? Salon? I find it odd just how ignorant of the trial people with TDS are. The OP here made a valid point. Your response is the response of an unthinking SJW zealot
What is this specific number in reference to? Annual civilian casualty rates from drone strikes under Bush, Obama, and Trump were significantly higher than that.
Is there any politician that doesn’t seem “criminy”. I’m no fan of Trump but this is just wrong unless every politician also gets convicted for their crimineness. What a crock.
Uh, basic logic. Trump goes 75 years with no laws broken and in election year gets 96 indictments. I have a masters degree, voted Hillary,and speak 3 languages but, even so, I managed to cut through the Trump Derangement Syndrome.
I mean, no. He’s broken plenty of laws. Even serious ones probably. No way around that for someone that has done as much as him. Every congressman can easily be prosecuted many times over, if they result wanted to. And yet they don’t do that. But oh no, trump had a book keeping issue lol let’s convict him of 34 felonies, no the before the election!! Oh, why did we wait so many years? Well, ugh, we just weren’t ready yet….
The Steele dossier didn’t make it out in the media until *after* the 2016 election. And as we saw, all it took was John McCain, a Republican, getting scared and leaking it to get that “story” picked up (it was apparently “out there,” but no one nibbled till that point… clearly zero effort went into it before then. Never mind that this research was initially funded by Trump’s Republican rivals before it got picked up by the opposing party… So we can clearly see an utter lack of intention by the Clinton campaign to actually use the Steele dossier for anything. And even if they had, leaking opposition research does not really compare 1-to-1 with hush money payments and accusations of getting allies in the media to “kill” stories. Given the laughably bad press Clinton had during the 2016 campaign, it seems kinda questionable that happened on her end… or otherwise, Trump certainly benefited from that to a greater extent. Clinton got plenty of bad press from external sources, while with the exception of Access Hollywood, while you can see he faced some bias from left leaning media (comparable, I’d say, to right wing media bias against Clinton,) Trump’s bad press was a serious of self inflicted wounds that didn’t seem to damage him in any way anyways.
Not cope. The Clinton foundation paid for the dossier and filed it under business expenses when it could have been easily considered campaign related, aka opponent research. Then they got fined for it... On the misdemeanor charge it really is. One big evidence that this whole thing is bs, very much proving trump right for his witch hunt statements.
Or she did and there was no appetite to charge her. Let’s at least be intellectually honest. I get people hate him and like the verdict but don’t kid yourself.
Trump didn't commit a crime. An IRS violation at worse, maybe, but he doesn't do his taxes, a cadre of tax professionals do. Hush money and NDA's are SOP in business and politics. It has nothing to do with election fraud. And they didn't even come close to proving that. Even if they had it was not a felony and the statute of limitations had long expired. Hillary Clinton, however, was in fact found guilty by the FEC (Federal Election Commission) of fraud. She and the DNC paid for lies that they knew were lies and used it with help from the media to defame and slander Trump and influence voters. Furthermore, with the media and Democrats used it to derail the entire Trump administration for years and gaslight the American public with investigations and impeachment. Again, when they knew it was fabricated nonsense. They also committed countless crimes and felonies for years in pursuit of Trump based solely on these fabrications, including making a mockery of the rule of law, FOIA, suborning perjury, and on and on and on. This was beyond election interference and literal an actual coup.
They can’t! Reason is a “limited hangout” intended to advance the establishment swamp, not combat it. They’re very cozy w the DC swamp. And their TDS insanity is no less progressive than the Democrat party’s. They hold every terrible trait of self-righteous, deluded libertarian, and none of the good values - mixed with a covert-type of woke preening.
I agree..... Same BS happened to my friends in Phila. They said they kicked this guys door in and beat people with tire irons and baseball bats. Total 100% BS! That is not what happened at all...... If they can lie about Trump of course they lie about us.I think anyone convicted since 2000 should be released...... Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Whites and even youtube gangsters.
He never took accountability for his use of housing discrimination, propagating a fake news story about how Carla Bruni was definitely going to leave Mick Jagger for him, his administration's botched response to COVID that was led by Jared "Slumlord Millionaire" Kushner, his ties to the mob, his business connections to the Kremlin, his administration's blunder in Niger, his connection to Jeffrey Epstein, and more. None of that bothers you?
I bet all you could been in serious trouble at some stage in your life if the state decided to Forensically throw the book at you ...and hired dozens of detectives to dig stuff up
How is it that NO primary media platform, even independent ones like this, can find a token Trump supporter? Heck, they could hire Jimmy Dore, if they cannot find an actual pro-Trump journalist.
@@jellyrcw12 He did NOT finally tell the truth. But he WAS forced to admit that the six foot rule was not based on science, he claimed it "just appeared" out of nowhere.
@@jellyrcw12 It was originally ten feet, but was reduced to six because they thought people wouldn't put up with ten. But what he specifically said is that it's not science, and "just appeared".
We were saying "Lock Her up" because the Clintons tried to frame him with the steel dossier & have a dead body trail. Not 60 years of zerocriminal issues and then overnight 999 felonys. Wake up purple hair woman.
I expect Vladimir Putin to gin up charges to arrest and imprison his political opponents. It should not be happening in the USA! This case should frighten all Americans. If someone with Trump's money, power, and connections can be "taken out," what happens if they start targeting regular folks, like Libertarian candidates, who may be running a campaign those in power view as inconvenient?
Most of this is being driven by blind partisanship. Once you introduce some form of instant run-off voting and do away with our zero-sum political system these problems would start to resolve themselves overtime. Political tribalism is a real problem.
If Trump were a good man, your point would carry water. His history is his worst enemy and it came back to bite him. Comparing Trump to the political opponents of Putin is farcical at best.
At the behest of Hillary Clinton, the Clinton campaign called the Steele dossier "Opposistion Research" and labeled the payment as a campaign expense. All while the 2016 election was ongoing. An employee of the Trump organization labeled a payment to a laywer who negoiated an NDA with a third party a legal expense. She did so under her own judgment after the 2016 election had been decided and testifed to these facts in court. Like the two impeachments this trial was an attempt to pin the crimes of deep state lackeys on President Trump.
So note the bias. Trump said a load of things about the trial. The question was asked, "Was Trump right?" They talk and talk, do a total analysis that shows Trump to be completely right. But this group can't actually articulate the answer: Trump was absolutely right about the trial.
Let’s hope it’s the slow path out of TDS. it’s hard to change your whole mindset all at once and to admit you were fooled! It takes a few weeks or months of investigating facts with an open mind
It’s looked like a coup. I watched live on Rumble and they were moving people from their seats. It was the most authoritarian show ever. The leading candidate admitted he was too high on edibles. 😮
Deplorable. As if the rest of the world wasn’t already laughing at this administration. Now we look even weaker. Great job everyone. Round of applause. 👏
I'm pretty damned libertarian over-all, but I'm also not nearly as anti-war as most libertarians are. Granted, I'll trade less war action (and the inevitable downturn in global trade and stability that I believe would follow) for smaller and less involved domestic government. But I don't believe the two to be as closely linked as most libertarians believe.
I love the qualifiers before they say it was a sham trial.... "Crimey" "Bad in Bed" etc... They hate that the democrats f*cked up and that this helped more than it hurt Trump.
This is the type of libertarian who can be technically correct in many instances but misses the crucial point. It's like talking about lowering income taxes while not mentioning the fact that there's a mask mandate being enforced by the government at your rally.
What? Where? They praised Trump in some aspects and criticized him in others. Unless you’re the type of beta snowflake who considers any criticism of Trump whatsoever as being deranged…
To really understand Trump’s genius and truthfulness, go back and watch the full debates with Hillary and Biden. Trump is calling them out. None of these things he mentions were known to the public at the time but have played out in history.
No, you can’t. Well, unless you’re a democrat. Then you can say trump is an illegitimate president all day long, and go on a book tour to tell the world about how the election was stolen from you, because of Russian interference. Oh and you can also say the Georgia election was stolen. All that’s fine. As long as you’re not defending orange man
Yeah, I really believe that a Chinese car maker magically made an EV with a magical 1,200 mile range. I'm certain that wasn't propaganda at all! Come on, dude. 😒
I also still can't understand how Trump writing down he made campaign contributions he didn't make because they were actually hush money, thus over reporting his contributions, could have led to him being elected. Shouldn't democrats taken him MORE seriously if he was over reporting his contributions? Isn't the amount of the false contributions negligible regardless, looking at how many millions actually go into a campaign anyway? I can't make sense of this somehow rigging the election in his favor but I'm glad to hear Matt say he is also mystified.
I find it funny how Libertarians(with a capital L), always feel the need to take a middling stance even though on further discussion readily admit that this was a totally ridiculous case. It was a politically motivated kangaroo court case that has very serious implications for future presidential candidates, not to mention taking away the power of the people to vote for who they want by using the legal system.
24:15. Coverups are not the same as an organic inability to know everything. You don't have to be Dr. Strange to recognise a coverup, and you don't have to know what would have happened to be justified for condemning a coverup.
Damn reason! I left you guys awhile ago, and now i see why. How is there any question about a trial that had the statute of limitations amended? Thats all i need to know, are we adjusting laws based on the defendant now?
Anakin: We can commit some crimes in order to influence this election. We can vaguely suggest something done by Trump was a crime intended to influence an election. That's great, because it becomes a felony. Padme: A felony for him, right? Right?
Don’t wanna be the weirdo here BUT… man the gov has literally done this to everyone but rich/polticians forever don’t act like this ish doesn’t happen everyday this falls on deaf ears for me man don’t feel bad for the guy as he isn’t one tryna fix this system he just mad it got him.
No, it was NOT one count for each check. There were 11 invoices from Cohen. There were 11 checks to Cohen, each in response to an invoice. There were 12 ledger entries in the books about those, the odd extra one being the only arguable "crime" in reality. A single crime, multiplied to illegally "throw the book". You really should get the fundamentals right, for credibility's sake.
Nothing I love more then listening to a bunch of intellectual elitists sitting around talking about how much more worldly than the rest of us plebs and getting high on their own farts.
Two Words: Matthew Colangelo. Former second or third at DOJ, he left the DOJ to chase Trump to NYC and be a part of two of his cases (the James fraud case and the Bragg hush money case). Alvin Bragg had dropped this case because it was so sketchy. Matt comes in from DC, and suddenly, it's on. The reason Bragg didn't address the secondary crime that moved these misdemeanors to felonies was because it was FEDERAL ELECTION LAW. But the NY statute was vague, and Colangelo exploited that vagueness as well as NYC's animosity towards Trump.
58:23 Despite his recommendation for Fallout 4, Suderman is correct in his praise for the Fallout show. I just replayed the original Fallout, in which the main enemy faction is the Unity. The Unity seeks to mutate all humans and destroy those who resist. It can be defeated by pointing out that mutants are sterile. The Unity is both totalitarian and ridiculous. The games are anti-authoritarian, but not necessarily libertarian. The anti-capitalist sentiment was there from the beginning, most obviously expressed in the unethical vault experiments. The show leans into this by implying that VaulTec started the Great War, but I'm waiting for season two for more detail.
BYDs 1,300 mile range car is not a full EV, it is a hybrid. That is a pretty big distinction to not mention when most people associate EVs with the former. I also don't know that it is a most technical feat as making a hybrid with a big enough tank to go that far really is not that difficult.
KMW with the false equivalency of "lock her up." You can do that all day long on both sides. Only one party actually had the stones to do something this dramatic. Only one.
As they said in 2016, "the Dept. of Justice feels that charging and attempting to convice a presidential candidate would appear biased, no matter the underlying cause"... well... at least they got that right.
@@leechowning2712 They didn't actually believe that. They used the pretense of being "non-political" as a fig leaf for the fact that they were protecting Hillary Clinton. Supposedly Loretta Lynch was going to get a seat on the Supreme Court as her reward for intervening.
"we're all just stuck voting for someone we basically loathe" could not agree more. I wish more people woud talk about actual solutions to this predicament. like maybe non-partisan primaries or ranked choice voting? why do we keep complaining about our system but then do nothing to change the underlying problems?
There is no such thing as, "kind of crimie". Saddam Hussein was accused of being kind of "WMDie" and we saw how that turned out. If you use that logic, you can prosecute anyone. For libertarians you guys don't seem to think much of liberty
I mean, you CAN prosecute anyone. Literally anyone. And you can indict anyone too. Everyone had committed crimes, on the daily. Even felonies. We just don’t go after everyone. Or imagine if every speeding for a ticket for speeding? Or not using turn signal?
@@jamesbizs There was a profound quote on NPR I heard back when it was liberal vs. whatever it is today. Tyranny isn't strict laws, Japan has strict laws, tyranny is laws enforced when those in power want to.
That’s exactly the point. He’s describing the perception lots of Americans have of Trump, and then stating that that perception does not justify a bad prosecution. Were you even listening to what he actually said?
I have never had any question about voting Libertarian in any election since 1980. When I heard Oliver come out almost right away in giving his positions list calling Gaza a genocide, I am now questioning it. I will probably vote for him anyway, but I'm not sure. I may just skip voting in that race as I do so many others.
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When you guys say you're libertarian, do you mean anarcho capitalists or leave the bureaucracy in place and just reduce it by 95% (percent is just a random high number knowing you all want to cut spending everywhere, you get what i mean).
Peter! Mr. Suderman! I remember Double Dragon. You are NOT alone, sir. Did you ever play Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the arcade style? I remember playing it on Sega, but it was just so much better at the roller rink.
@28:10 - I agree with the Listener. The "anti-war" stance of the Libertarian party is the one place I split. I do see a role for the federal government and US involvement in the world, including supporting allies. My "Libertarian" tendencies come not so much because I think "government is incompetent/corrupt" in all times, as Peter suggests, but that government has certain roles which it is proper to fulfill. Thinking that it is improper for government to dictate (for example) wages, or language, or insurance does not also mean I feel government should not engage in supporting friends who are under attack by those who are not so friendly.
The Reason editor's and need to look up BD and fire. There is a reason why China can produce electric vehicles for extremely cheap it's called they're extremely unsafe. Not to mention all the ethical problems around how China goes about acquiring cobalt and lithium and the ethical problems around who is working in those factories. Fun fact BD has facilities in Xinjiang China that's where the Uighur Muslims come from. Well I am sure that Biden is oblivious to these facts there are tons of reasons for why we should prevent BD from flooding the US with their electric vehicles. These vehicles are so unsafe that even Chinese people don't want to buy them.
Reason, the magazine so reasonable that common sense, reasonably, leaks out the ears, telling Reason: "Fuuuuuuuuuuuck this shit I'm out!" in a picque of, y'all know what it is, reason!
Can I just make one point that will save you a lot of time and effort in your upcoming podcast or broadcast. We really don't give a shit what you're feelings are about Donald Trump. We come looking for actual news so your apologies for someone who cares.
You're really proud of this word "crimey". it always solidifies my conclusions about the value of this low brow exchange the real problem, let me help you out, is that Joe Biden, the so-called president of these United States is using the justice system to persecute his political opponent. That is the problem. Let's be clear how you dance around this without clearly spelling it out to your audience is irresponsible at best
I recall the Village Voice's coverage of a Mohawk chief and the issues he was dealing with. It was startlingly bitchy, catty, and preoccupied with the minutiae of his dress rather than the matters that mattered. It's surprising it lasted as long as it did.
Suderman is Luke, Nick is Han Solo, Katherine is of course Princess Leia (because she’s a lady), and Matt is C-3PO. Am I right, or am I dead on fucking right?
I’m glad the Biden economy is doing so well and that I can’t afford food because of Trump . We need Biden. His policies have kept us fed, streets safe and out of foreign wars. (Now that’s “reason” for ya )
It's an absurd conviction. If anyone claims it's good because "eVeRyOnE iS UnDeR ThE LaW," ask them to explain how statute of limitations expired misdemeanors magically become felonies because of NY Election Law Section 17-152. I can almost guarantee you that the person can't tell you.
Ask them how jury instructions can be that the jury doesn't have to agree on an underlying predicate crime, even if the crime they agree on is a FECA violation, which is a federal crime (having the underlying crime be a federal crime is "novel" lol).
As Andrew McCarthy pointed out, NY Election Law Section 17-152 doesn't even make sense because it claims a conspiracy by unlawful MEANS, even though the means are how one or more people accomplish a criminal conspiracy. The means aren't a crime, they're how a crime of conspiracy is enacted. That state law says that the means are what conspirators use to help a person get elected; of course helping someone get elected isn't a crime, so the means then MUST be crimes themselves. If this sounds confusingly circular to you, that's because it is.
They should change the name of the show to Circular Reason TV 😮
The FECA issue doesn't even hold because of the timeline. Even if he had reported it as an NDA payment/loan rather than as a legal expense that report wouldn't have happened until after the election, so it would have no impact on the election itself.
Well these are the same people who believe election denying conspiracy theorists are so dangerous that we must jail Trump, but fortunately, he paid off a porn star in a conspiracy to rig the 2016 election.
Wow. I hope you're an attorney and not trying to be a faux one on CZcams. Because I'd say 99 percent of your questions have been answered. Probably not answered by someone with sufficiency under your political stripe to explain it, but explained nonetheless.
In the meantime. He's a felon.
@kbuckendorf4287 such as where? CNN? Salon? I find it odd just how ignorant of the trial people with TDS are. The OP here made a valid point. Your response is the response of an unthinking SJW zealot
Yet a previous admin droned 200 innocent people which didn't add up to a single charge.
And then Donald Trump escalated bombing campaigns and ended up droning more people. But he didn’t start any new wars guys!!!!!!!
What is this specific number in reference to? Annual civilian casualty rates from drone strikes under Bush, Obama, and Trump were significantly higher than that.
@@bellowingsilence Not all of them were innocent, though. I can't read D.B. Cooper's mind but he's probably referring to collateral damage.
"someone else did something worse and got away with it, so any offense that isn't as bad should be excusable."
@@nonegenarian I'm so glad you're getting it.
Is there any politician that doesn’t seem “criminy”. I’m no fan of Trump but this is just wrong unless every politician also gets convicted for their crimineness. What a crock.
I’m hearing a fuck ton of reasonable doubt on this show.
Zackly!!
Well said.
Nick Gillespie’s body language from the very first minute screams “I’d rather be anywhere than here”
Does he ever seem happy to be there?
Yeah, this is a pretty sorry-ass group.
Yes, he seems bitter and petulant in this video, for whatever reason.
That’s how he always looks
@@brwi1 Nah, this is different.
Judicial Jungle Juice might the funniest comparison I've heard yet in 2024
It was apropos
I’m sick of the Al Capone justification for law fare…Capone was actually guilty of tax fraud
Uh, basic logic. Trump goes 75 years with no laws broken and in election year gets 96 indictments. I have a masters degree, voted Hillary,and speak 3 languages but, even so, I managed to cut through the Trump Derangement Syndrome.
You got a college degree and still fell for NFTs?
I mean, no. He’s broken plenty of laws. Even serious ones probably. No way around that for someone that has done as much as him. Every congressman can easily be prosecuted many times over, if they result wanted to. And yet they don’t do that. But oh no, trump had a book keeping issue lol let’s convict him of 34 felonies, no the before the election!! Oh, why did we wait so many years? Well, ugh, we just weren’t ready yet….
Did Hillary pretty much do the same thing with the Steele dossier, or is that Conservative cope?
The Steele dossier didn’t make it out in the media until *after* the 2016 election. And as we saw, all it took was John McCain, a Republican, getting scared and leaking it to get that “story” picked up (it was apparently “out there,” but no one nibbled till that point… clearly zero effort went into it before then. Never mind that this research was initially funded by Trump’s Republican rivals before it got picked up by the opposing party… So we can clearly see an utter lack of intention by the Clinton campaign to actually use the Steele dossier for anything. And even if they had, leaking opposition research does not really compare 1-to-1 with hush money payments and accusations of getting allies in the media to “kill” stories. Given the laughably bad press Clinton had during the 2016 campaign, it seems kinda questionable that happened on her end… or otherwise, Trump certainly benefited from that to a greater extent. Clinton got plenty of bad press from external sources, while with the exception of Access Hollywood, while you can see he faced some bias from left leaning media (comparable, I’d say, to right wing media bias against Clinton,) Trump’s bad press was a serious of self inflicted wounds that didn’t seem to damage him in any way anyways.
Cope
Not cope. The Clinton foundation paid for the dossier and filed it under business expenses when it could have been easily considered campaign related, aka opponent research. Then they got fined for it... On the misdemeanor charge it really is. One big evidence that this whole thing is bs, very much proving trump right for his witch hunt statements.
Or she did and there was no appetite to charge her. Let’s at least be intellectually honest. I get people hate him and like the verdict but don’t kid yourself.
Trump didn't commit a crime. An IRS violation at worse, maybe, but he doesn't do his taxes, a cadre of tax professionals do. Hush money and NDA's are SOP in business and politics. It has nothing to do with election fraud. And they didn't even come close to proving that. Even if they had it was not a felony and the statute of limitations had long expired.
Hillary Clinton, however, was in fact found guilty by the FEC (Federal Election Commission) of fraud. She and the DNC paid for lies that they knew were lies and used it with help from the media to defame and slander Trump and influence voters. Furthermore, with the media and Democrats used it to derail the entire Trump administration for years and gaslight the American public with investigations and impeachment. Again, when they knew it was fabricated nonsense. They also committed countless crimes and felonies for years in pursuit of Trump based solely on these fabrications, including making a mockery of the rule of law, FOIA, suborning perjury, and on and on and on. This was beyond election interference and literal an actual coup.
What terrible things did he do for the country exactly? Please elaborate.
They can’t! Reason is a “limited hangout” intended to advance the establishment swamp, not combat it. They’re very cozy w the DC swamp. And their TDS insanity is no less progressive than the Democrat party’s. They hold every terrible trait of self-righteous, deluded libertarian, and none of the good values - mixed with a covert-type of woke preening.
I don’t care what our 3rd world in-justice system does, I’m still voting for Trump. Blacks For Trump 2024.
I agree..... Same BS happened to my friends in Phila. They said they kicked this guys door in and beat people with tire irons and baseball bats. Total 100% BS! That is not what happened at all......
If they can lie about Trump of course they lie about us.I think anyone convicted since 2000 should be released...... Blacks, Asians, Latinos, Whites and even youtube gangsters.
Why are you here?
@@Justin_Beaver564 why arent you at your concert ?
He never took accountability for his use of housing discrimination, propagating a fake news story about how Carla Bruni was definitely going to leave Mick Jagger for him, his administration's botched response to COVID that was led by Jared "Slumlord Millionaire" Kushner, his ties to the mob, his business connections to the Kremlin, his administration's blunder in Niger, his connection to Jeffrey Epstein, and more. None of that bothers you?
I bet all you could been in serious trouble at some stage in your life if the state decided to Forensically throw the book at you ...and hired dozens of detectives to dig stuff up
I remember hearing people say that everyone cheats on their taxes. It’s like going over the speed limit. Everyone does.
Soviet style
Trump did not make the accounting entry
It's been estimated that the average US citizen commits three felonies a day if you look hard enough.
"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime"
Well, let's see how far I make it before rage quitting, or, rather, prematurely ending my viewing experience for mental health _Reasons._
How is it that NO primary media platform, even independent ones like this, can find a token Trump supporter? Heck, they could hire Jimmy Dore, if they cannot find an actual pro-Trump journalist.
I will never vote for Chase Oliver. It's much more likely that I take the KMW approach and don't vote at all.
He is an Obama Democrat.
He’s not libertarian but authoritarian. It was like a coup of the Libertarian party
lol no
@@NFTevewhat an uninformed thing to say. 😂 What about Chase is authoritarian?
@@NFTeve Actually Chase is the old school Libertarian. The Mises take over was a coup.
I was a democrat for 20 years. TRUMP 2024 🎉
UNCONSTITUTIONAL RULING
Hey Reason, talk about Fauci finally telling the truth.
What happened? I missed that one
@@jellyrcw12 He did NOT finally tell the truth.
But he WAS forced to admit that the six foot rule was not based on science, he claimed it "just appeared" out of nowhere.
@@KAZVorpal ah okay, thank you for sharing. I thought they said it was actually 10-12 feet or something
@@jellyrcw12 It was originally ten feet, but was reduced to six because they thought people wouldn't put up with ten.
But what he specifically said is that it's not science, and "just appeared".
We were saying "Lock Her up" because the Clintons tried to frame him with the steel dossier & have a dead body trail.
Not 60 years of zerocriminal issues and then overnight 999 felonys.
Wake up purple hair woman.
I expect Vladimir Putin to gin up charges to arrest and imprison his political opponents. It should not be happening in the USA!
This case should frighten all Americans. If someone with Trump's money, power, and connections can be "taken out," what happens if they start targeting regular folks, like Libertarian candidates, who may be running a campaign those in power view as inconvenient?
Most of this is being driven by blind partisanship. Once you introduce some form of instant run-off voting and do away with our zero-sum political system these problems would start to resolve themselves overtime. Political tribalism is a real problem.
Long live Putin 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🫡🇺🇸
If Trump were a good man, your point would carry water.
His history is his worst enemy and it came back to bite him.
Comparing Trump to the political opponents of Putin is farcical at best.
At the behest of Hillary Clinton, the Clinton campaign called the Steele dossier "Opposistion Research" and labeled the payment as a campaign expense. All while the 2016 election was ongoing.
An employee of the Trump organization labeled a payment to a laywer who negoiated an NDA with a third party a legal expense. She did so under her own judgment after the 2016 election had been decided and testifed to these facts in court.
Like the two impeachments this trial was an attempt to pin the crimes of deep state lackeys on President Trump.
@@Nurdaholic drink some more your wet brain needs to dry up.
So note the bias. Trump said a load of things about the trial.
The question was asked, "Was Trump right?"
They talk and talk, do a total analysis that shows Trump to be completely right.
But this group can't actually articulate the answer: Trump was absolutely right about the trial.
Let’s hope it’s the slow path out of TDS. it’s hard to change your whole mindset all at once and to admit you were fooled! It takes a few weeks or months of investigating facts with an open mind
How the hell do you qualify Trump being “super duper crimey”?🤦♂️. What is the criminal code for “super duper crimey”?
He’s not saying it’s a good thing; he’s saying that that was the prejudice this prosecutor and this judge appealed to in order to get Trump convicted.
@@CountArtha you may be correct
That's literally the point! There's no such thing in the criminal code.
FREE Speech y’all 🇺🇸💪🏽💪🏻💪🏻🇺🇸
This is BS I'm voting for Trump
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You were voting for Trump anyway. He's a terrible politician and an even worse person.
Why are you here?
@@Justin_Beaver564 are you gonna tell me Ron Paul isn't a real libertarian like your boy chase now.
@@Pedrotheporcupine Ron was good but he was still more socially conservative than I would want my candidate to be. Especially on abortion rights.
Why did the Libertarian Party vote for someone to the left of Biden?
It’s looked like a coup. I watched live on Rumble and they were moving people from their seats. It was the most authoritarian show ever. The leading candidate admitted he was too high on edibles. 😮
What exactly is Chase left of Biden on?
@@LibertarianJRT These conservatives think that being gay makes someone "left". They don't even understand basic definitions.
@@LibertarianJRT alphabet mafia issues and COVID-19 issues.
@@gusby_gh7581 That's not how "left" is defined. Left and right refer to economic issues, not social issues like gay rights.
Deplorable. As if the rest of the world wasn’t already laughing at this administration. Now we look even weaker. Great job everyone. Round of applause. 👏
I'm pretty damned libertarian over-all, but I'm also not nearly as anti-war as most libertarians are. Granted, I'll trade less war action (and the inevitable downturn in global trade and stability that I believe would follow) for smaller and less involved domestic government. But I don't believe the two to be as closely linked as most libertarians believe.
TDS is an odd stance for a reason brand, but perfectly understandable for the Reason brand.
Vote for the Policy, Not the Person.
It started with Harry Reid and the filibuster
I love the qualifiers before they say it was a sham trial.... "Crimey" "Bad in Bed" etc...
They hate that the democrats f*cked up and that this helped more than it hurt Trump.
I’m going to start keeping a tally of how many times partisan snowflakes whine about either valid even just comedic jabs being made toward Trump
More TDS than usual.
I noticed that as well
This is the type of libertarian who can be technically correct in many instances but misses the crucial point. It's like talking about lowering income taxes while not mentioning the fact that there's a mask mandate being enforced by the government at your rally.
What? Where? They praised Trump in some aspects and criticized him in others.
Unless you’re the type of beta snowflake who considers any criticism of Trump whatsoever as being deranged…
Yes. They are Sotos shills posing and REASON and LOGIC
“Any Criticism of Trump is TDS”, an illustrated children’s book, now available for purchase at a bookstore near you
To really understand Trump’s genius and truthfulness, go back and watch the full debates with Hillary and Biden.
Trump is calling them out. None of these things he mentions were known to the public at the time but have played out in history.
You're really proud of this word "crimey". it always solidifies my conclusions about the value of this low brow exchange
And btw anyone using the term "election denial" seriously is just not terribly bright. What we can't question election results? You can't be serious.
No, you can’t. Well, unless you’re a democrat. Then you can say trump is an illegitimate president all day long, and go on a book tour to tell the world about how the election was stolen from you, because of Russian interference. Oh and you can also say the Georgia election was stolen. All that’s fine. As long as you’re not defending orange man
Yeah, I really believe that a Chinese car maker magically made an EV with a magical 1,200 mile range. I'm certain that wasn't propaganda at all! Come on, dude. 😒
He corrected himself and said it was a plug-in hybrid. So basically it's just a Prius with a big gas tank 😂
At least Trump used his own money to pay off blackmail. Most politicians use public funds
It's not ok to convict a person of no crime
I also still can't understand how Trump writing down he made campaign contributions he didn't make because they were actually hush money, thus over reporting his contributions, could have led to him being elected. Shouldn't democrats taken him MORE seriously if he was over reporting his contributions? Isn't the amount of the false contributions negligible regardless, looking at how many millions actually go into a campaign anyway? I can't make sense of this somehow rigging the election in his favor but I'm glad to hear Matt say he is also mystified.
I find it funny how Libertarians(with a capital L), always feel the need to take a middling stance even though on further discussion readily admit that this was a totally ridiculous case. It was a politically motivated kangaroo court case that has very serious implications for future presidential candidates, not to mention taking away the power of the people to vote for who they want by using the legal system.
24:15. Coverups are not the same as an organic inability to know everything.
You don't have to be Dr. Strange to recognise a coverup, and you don't have to know what would have happened to be justified for condemning a coverup.
Damn reason!
I left you guys awhile ago, and now i see why.
How is there any question about a trial that had the statute of limitations amended?
Thats all i need to know, are we adjusting laws based on the defendant now?
The Reason Roundtable cast is reliably doctrinaire libertarian, except when it involves Trump.
Anakin: We can commit some crimes in order to influence this election. We can vaguely suggest something done by Trump was a crime intended to influence an election. That's great, because it becomes a felony.
Padme: A felony for him, right? Right?
Don’t wanna be the weirdo here BUT… man the gov has literally done this to everyone but rich/polticians forever don’t act like this ish doesn’t happen everyday this falls on deaf ears for me man don’t feel bad for the guy as he isn’t one tryna fix this system he just mad it got him.
No, it was NOT one count for each check.
There were 11 invoices from Cohen.
There were 11 checks to Cohen, each in response to an invoice.
There were 12 ledger entries in the books about those, the odd extra one being the only arguable "crime" in reality.
A single crime, multiplied to illegally "throw the book".
You really should get the fundamentals right, for credibility's sake.
Nothing I love more then listening to a bunch of intellectual elitists sitting around talking about how much more worldly than the rest of us plebs and getting high on their own farts.
Two Words: Matthew Colangelo. Former second or third at DOJ, he left the DOJ to chase Trump to NYC and be a part of two of his cases (the James fraud case and the Bragg hush money case). Alvin Bragg had dropped this case because it was so sketchy. Matt comes in from DC, and suddenly, it's on. The reason Bragg didn't address the secondary crime that moved these misdemeanors to felonies was because it was FEDERAL ELECTION LAW. But the NY statute was vague, and Colangelo exploited that vagueness as well as NYC's animosity towards Trump.
My favorite hour of the week.
You are completely right and my question is how did Democrats put us in a situation like this in which a stick person like Trump becomes president
58:23 Despite his recommendation for Fallout 4, Suderman is correct in his praise for the Fallout show. I just replayed the original Fallout, in which the main enemy faction is the Unity. The Unity seeks to mutate all humans and destroy those who resist. It can be defeated by pointing out that mutants are sterile. The Unity is both totalitarian and ridiculous.
The games are anti-authoritarian, but not necessarily libertarian. The anti-capitalist sentiment was there from the beginning, most obviously expressed in the unethical vault experiments. The show leans into this by implying that VaulTec started the Great War, but I'm waiting for season two for more detail.
BYDs 1,300 mile range car is not a full EV, it is a hybrid. That is a pretty big distinction to not mention when most people associate EVs with the former. I also don't know that it is a most technical feat as making a hybrid with a big enough tank to go that far really is not that difficult.
Now we need Suderman to make a good version of Jungle Juice.
KMW with the false equivalency of "lock her up." You can do that all day long on both sides. Only one party actually had the stones to do something this dramatic. Only one.
As they said in 2016, "the Dept. of Justice feels that charging and attempting to convice a presidential candidate would appear biased, no matter the underlying cause"... well... at least they got that right.
Right. Trump himself said he wasn't gonna touch Hillary after winning. It was a campaign slogan to discredit his opponent
@@leechowning2712 They didn't actually believe that. They used the pretense of being "non-political" as a fig leaf for the fact that they were protecting Hillary Clinton. Supposedly Loretta Lynch was going to get a seat on the Supreme Court as her reward for intervening.
Also Hillary committed an actually serious crime whereas Trump didn’t even come close to one
"we're all just stuck voting for someone we basically loathe" could not agree more. I wish more people woud talk about actual solutions to this predicament. like maybe non-partisan primaries or ranked choice voting? why do we keep complaining about our system but then do nothing to change the underlying problems?
I absolutely support ranked choice or at least some form of instant run-off voting
There is no such thing as, "kind of crimie". Saddam Hussein was accused of being kind of "WMDie" and we saw how that turned out.
If you use that logic, you can prosecute anyone. For libertarians you guys don't seem to think much of liberty
I mean, you CAN prosecute anyone. Literally anyone. And you can indict anyone too. Everyone had committed crimes, on the daily. Even felonies. We just don’t go after everyone. Or imagine if every speeding for a ticket for speeding? Or not using turn signal?
@@jamesbizs There was a profound quote on NPR I heard back when it was liberal vs. whatever it is today. Tyranny isn't strict laws, Japan has strict laws, tyranny is laws enforced when those in power want to.
“Seem kinda crimey”? Weak.
That’s exactly the point. He’s describing the perception lots of Americans have of Trump, and then stating that that perception does not justify a bad prosecution.
Were you even listening to what he actually said?
When will CZcams start deleting our comments?
How is Nick possibly going to take notes with that pen which only has a *single* color? Did all his four color Gattling Pens break?
And I love that the only female on the panel is so proud of the fact that she knows what jungle juice is. This is just embarrassing.
Shouldn’t crime require criminal intent?
That’s irrelevant we need to stop Trump by any means necessary
@@NFTeve Thanks for being honest.
@@NFTeve you do realize you’re creating precedent that will be used on you right?
"I want to be libertarian and also fund foreign wars." Well then why don't you go ahead and donate your own time, money and children?
At least nick is there to bring reason to this Reason discussion.
What a joke of a legal analysis
Well they are not lawyers what do you expect? , its no worse than other non legal discussions I've seen
You’re getting mad about this episode being a bad version of something that it isn’t trying to be
The host for these podcasts has a swarm that makes it difficult to watch.
Who thinks DeNiro would have voted Not Guilty if he was on the jury, regardless of the evidence... they probably had 7 "DeNiros" on that jury
I enjoy the sabremetrics books on Matt's bookshelf.
I love Nick and his interviews etc. Is it me or does Nick remind you of Kurt Loder from the MTV days there is a resemblance🤷♂️
Yes, exactly! Kurt Loder's big brother
Ice cream in the Jungle Juice?? 😂
Need to think about what your impression of Trump was before he ran for president if you want to be honest with yourself.
I have never had any question about voting Libertarian in any election since 1980. When I heard Oliver come out almost right away in giving his positions list calling Gaza a genocide, I am now questioning it. I will probably vote for him anyway, but I'm not sure. I may just skip voting in that race as I do so many others.
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The BYD range claim is BS. Jeez are you guys skeptical about anything that sounds too good to be true?
When you guys say you're libertarian, do you mean anarcho capitalists or leave the bureaucracy in place and just reduce it by 95% (percent is just a random high number knowing you all want to cut spending everywhere, you get what i mean).
No they don't consider themselves anarcho
Neither. They mean they want to get high and not be in trouble.
Peter! Mr. Suderman! I remember Double Dragon. You are NOT alone, sir. Did you ever play Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in the arcade style? I remember playing it on Sega, but it was just so much better at the roller rink.
Even libertarians have to get their disavowels out before covering anything substantive
@28:10 - I agree with the Listener. The "anti-war" stance of the Libertarian party is the one place I split. I do see a role for the federal government and US involvement in the world, including supporting allies. My "Libertarian" tendencies come not so much because I think "government is incompetent/corrupt" in all times, as Peter suggests, but that government has certain roles which it is proper to fulfill. Thinking that it is improper for government to dictate (for example) wages, or language, or insurance does not also mean I feel government should not engage in supporting friends who are under attack by those who are not so friendly.
The Reason editor's and need to look up BD and fire.
There is a reason why China can produce electric vehicles for extremely cheap it's called they're extremely unsafe.
Not to mention all the ethical problems around how China goes about acquiring cobalt and lithium and the ethical problems around who is working in those factories. Fun fact BD has facilities in Xinjiang China that's where the Uighur Muslims come from.
Well I am sure that Biden is oblivious to these facts there are tons of reasons for why we should prevent BD from flooding the US with their electric vehicles. These vehicles are so unsafe that even Chinese people don't want to buy them.
This lady is willfully ignorant
on the comment on war, liberty is worth fighting for - what we are doing in the middle east is not that.
Has Reason TV jumped the shark?
lets be very clear.. Double Dragon was a great game.
sorry Peter i fell asleep again during your contribution...
Let's put Joe on trial with Hunter. Throw in in Jill and the rest of the clan.
Reason, the magazine so reasonable that common sense, reasonably, leaks out the ears, telling Reason: "Fuuuuuuuuuuuck this shit I'm out!" in a picque of, y'all know what it is, reason!
Why I shouldn't vote
Did Mr. Gillespie just fall into the “this election especially” trap?
What happened? Did Matt not get the Black shirt memo?
Yes he should. Lock him up for the rest of his days.
Roland Freisler lives.
Sanctimonious BS from reason…I used to listen closely to you guys.
Can I just make one point that will save you a lot of time and effort in your upcoming podcast or broadcast. We really don't give a shit what you're feelings are about Donald Trump. We come looking for actual news so your apologies for someone who cares.
You're really proud of this word "crimey". it always solidifies my conclusions about the value of this low brow exchange the real problem, let me help you out, is that Joe Biden, the so-called president of these United States is using the justice system to persecute his political opponent. That is the problem. Let's be clear how you dance around this without clearly spelling it out to your audience is irresponsible at best
"... So I guess he is not good on celibacy but he seems to have very good abs " 🤣🤣🤣
I recall the Village Voice's coverage of a Mohawk chief and the issues he was dealing with. It was startlingly bitchy, catty, and preoccupied with the minutiae of his dress rather than the matters that mattered.
It's surprising it lasted as long as it did.
Suderman is Luke, Nick is Han Solo, Katherine is of course Princess Leia (because she’s a lady), and Matt is C-3PO. Am I right, or am I dead on fucking right?
Do the BYD cars meet the US safety standards? Because tariffs are only part of the story.
Spot on Nick.
I’m glad the Biden economy is doing so well and that I can’t afford food because of Trump . We need Biden. His policies have kept us fed, streets safe and out of foreign wars. (Now that’s “reason” for ya )
Wait. I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or actually believe all those things. It’s so hard these days.
Just lefties here.
I scoff mighitly. Enough with the Roosevelts. Ken Burns at his maudlin worst.
Interesting + stimulating = disagreements untainted by partisanship - double dragon humor
red queen... (orange king?). all downhill from here.