The Mythical Pokémon Problem (and How to Fix It)

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  • @KyogresHideout_Vegito2121
    @KyogresHideout_Vegito2121 Před měsícem +94

    The distinction for me has always been as simple as "Was it only obtainable via mystery gift in it's debut gen? If yes mythical, if no legendary."

    • @StarWyvernHPB
      @StarWyvernHPB Před měsícem +12

      Does manaohy egg via ranger count as mystery gift?

    • @KyogresHideout_Vegito2121
      @KyogresHideout_Vegito2121 Před měsícem +11

      @@StarWyvernHPB Close enough

    • @nexenojustice552
      @nexenojustice552 Před měsícem +3

      Yep this right here

    • @nexenojustice552
      @nexenojustice552 Před měsícem +1

      @@StarWyvernHPB Yeah, especailly since later Ranger games had a mystery gift for the quest for Manaphy egg

    • @StarWyvernHPB
      @StarWyvernHPB Před měsícem

      @@nexenojustice552 yeah, but it's also available through non mystery gift in ranger 1

  • @pjshurm
    @pjshurm Před měsícem +63

    always thought of it like how a square is a technically a rectangle, they might not be "legendary" in name but they carry the same weight

    • @EnbyFish
      @EnbyFish Před měsícem +5

      Mythicals are legendaries

    • @iMind-Juris
      @iMind-Juris Před měsícem +2

      If we're talking about how squares are rectangles but rectangles are not necessarily squares, I think that same sort of distinction applies here. Mythicals are naturally *more* than legendary, so it makes little sense to say "nuh-uh, that's not a legendary it's a mythical." That sort of statement is almost reductive, and we've already established mythicals are elevated in some way. They *are* legendary, and then some (just as squares *are* rectangles, and then specified even further by possessing 4 equal side lengths).
      The Pokémon Company has a pattern of referring to these Pokémon by their most specific categorization. For Mewtwo, Lugia, etc. that would be legendary. For Mew, Deoxys, etc. that would be mythical, yet mythicals still also have this subcategory or secondary categorization of legendary (The Pokémon Company simply ignores this most of the time, leading to the confusion illustrated in this video).
      There is a distinction to be made, but this video went about it the wrong way in eliminating Darkrai from the 'best legendary' example they opened with. If they wanted to better explain this point, the question should have been 'what is the best non-mythical legendary Pokémon?'

  • @StarWyvernHPB
    @StarWyvernHPB Před měsícem +28

    Id honestly think the mythicals would be a more solid group if phione, meltan, melmetal, zeraora and zarude weren't counted

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 Před měsícem +34

    The "oversaturation" problem effects Legendaries too... There are SO MANY legendaries now! Each generation adds progressively more (with Scarlet/Violet adding a whopping *12* if you count Pecharunt), and a lot of them don't even feel like they needed to be legendary... Like, you mean to tell me that _Munkidori_ is considered a legendary??? You kidding???
    And despite many legendaries groups like the "legendary birds" and the "legendary beasts" having less restrictions in the Battle Facilities, they still share the same title as the bigger stronger box legendaries like Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza. The classifications of legendaries is ridiculous.
    Not to mention there's also all the Pokemon that aren't considered "legendary," but still have the stats akin to them, like the Ultra Beasts and the Paradox Pokemon. :/

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +11

      This is extremely valid. I don’t mind having new mythicals, legendaries, paradox, ultra beasts, etc, added. I just wish they had more consideration put into them. I want more special rare pokemon to feel special and rare lol.
      Appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment! Thank you for watching🥳

    • @azerty1933
      @azerty1933 Před měsícem +2

      I think the last gen legendaries are quite good as they aren't trying to go over the top
      We have reached the top, now it's good to have local legends which influence only the area surrounding them

    • @Shinntoku
      @Shinntoku Před měsícem +6

      Tbh I have never felt the "oversaturation" of mythical or legendaries that other people do. I always love getting new ones and seeing what they're like, even if some of them are misses

    • @thepokemonqueen
      @thepokemonqueen Před měsícem +3

      ​@@Shinntoku exactly, not to mention how every culture has their own legends and myths so it makes sense for the pokemon regions to each have their own legendary and mythical pokemon

    • @constantanxietyattacks6878
      @constantanxietyattacks6878 Před měsícem +4

      To be fair, there's at least on some level a separation between Box Legendaries and others, like how in Sun and Moon's pokedex, Box Legends (and Mythicals) had a gold background while other "special" pokemon (mostly lesser legendary pokemon) had a green one. I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that for that game at least, non-cover legendaries were even internally labelled as "Sub-Legendary" so there's at least a bit of clear distinction there

  • @prinzessinemily
    @prinzessinemily Před měsícem +20

    Myticals being only seperated since gen 5 is only half true. In Japan, they where always set apart from normal legendarys. It was more or less a translation error to group them togetger outside japan.

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +6

      Right that’s true, I was just mainly referring to the term being introduced in America. I appreciate the comment 🥳🫶

  • @brucepotter8817
    @brucepotter8817 Před měsícem +17

    I call Mythicals EELs. Event Exclusive Legendaries.
    Because they should be Legendaries but they aren't.

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +4

      Ooooo EEL’s I like that

    • @lasercraft32
      @lasercraft32 Před měsícem +2

      @@paulycrossing "Those are the shrieking EELs!"
      *intense Darkrai noises*

  • @edenplaysvideogames
    @edenplaysvideogames Před měsícem +9

    I loved the mythical Pokemon distribution events as a kid, especially since they usually had little side quests, like the Darkrai one. I really wish they would at least go back to having in game events for them.

    • @StarWyvernHPB
      @StarWyvernHPB Před měsícem +2

      Hell yeah. I was brainstorming changes that could be made in a Z kalos game, and we thought of side quests for the kalos mythicals, imagine hearing about a super rare Pokémon seen in reflection cave after getting a reflective amulet or something as the quest item, and ending up in a little part of a mirrored kalos, like in the anime episode, seeing a good version of Lysandres defending diancie from an evil sycamore or evil versions of your friends, having to help him, before he asks you to take diancie to your world to keep it away from that worlds team flare. Or facing a boss level malva in the steam plant to save volcanion

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +3

      ! Gen 4 in general is just super special to me so that one as well as the celebi event always stand out to me.
      It would definitely be cool seeing something added to ZA the same way there were mythical side quests for legends arceus!

  • @lookatmyzombies9377
    @lookatmyzombies9377 Před měsícem +9

    Meltan was a good mhytical it showed up and nobody knew what it was or where it was from

    • @lookatmyzombies9377
      @lookatmyzombies9377 Před měsícem +4

      Ontop of that nobody expected a completely original Pokémon from GO

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +2

      To me this has always felt more like a gimmick rather than anything else. I do think it’s innovative in a way, just kind of corny
      Thank you for watching :))

    • @Sonario648
      @Sonario648 Před 8 dny

      And then it just kinda left, and was never heard from again

  • @DeltaZinnia
    @DeltaZinnia Před měsícem +4

    To me Mythicals were always a sub-category of Legendary Pokemon. Being Mythical doesnt mean the Mon cant be Legendary at the same time

  • @shinymk6562
    @shinymk6562 Před měsícem +4

    All mythicals are legendries, but not all legendries are mythical. That's how that works.

  • @zanzaklaus
    @zanzaklaus Před měsícem +7

    For me Zeraora is symptomatic for the meaningless Mythicals. It's like the most uninteresting example of that Pokémon group. It's been a throw-away gift with no lore at all and even its own movie didn't make it any more interesting. It's just there. For me it's no different from the other furry-mons Lucario and Zoroark with the only difference being you can only get it once.

  • @tylerpinniger9958
    @tylerpinniger9958 Před měsícem +23

    This is why I loved mochi mayhem so much

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +10

      It really was one of the better events we’ve gotten in recent years

    • @tylerpinniger9958
      @tylerpinniger9958 Před měsícem +6

      I love when the legendary is a guarundteed catch so I can catch them in a rare ball (I think I got my pecharunt in a love ball)

    • @SanicAdventure
      @SanicAdventure Před 29 dny +1

      The Guaranteed catches are great! I think I got my Pecharunt in a Dream Ball.

  • @theminecommanders8013
    @theminecommanders8013 Před měsícem +2

    I really liked the really playground rumor type way you get Meloetta in the Scarlet and Violet DLC

  • @dany_fg
    @dany_fg Před 18 dny +2

    I think the problem was that they were created almost entirely for movies, but gen 1-3 did make their in game lore interesting.
    then with mythicals like Manaphy and Shaymin the movie side won for gen 5-8.
    for example, gen 8's Zarude has zero in game involvement.
    but Pecharunt has no movie yet and is heavily based on the in game story, so I think we're back on the right track for mythicals.

  • @ShaulaXNinja
    @ShaulaXNinja Před měsícem +7

    The distinction for me has to do with their availablity in VGC. Legendaries, even box art ones when a generation is nearing it's end, are able to be used in events like Worlds and regionals, where as Mythicals have all been banned in every event since.

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +1

      Oh wow what an interesting perspective! I don’t play competitive too often, I forgot they were all banned

  • @DmizzMOB
    @DmizzMOB Před měsícem +2

    The time of secrets and myths is over the internet and social media doesn’t allow things to not be spoiled unless they start foreshadowing future Pokémon

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +1

      I don’t think that’s entirely true. Take into consideration games like Elden Ring. There is so much hidden lore and special side quests despite being all over the internet and social media.
      I will agree I think it’s much harder for secrets and myths, but with more consideration I think it’s possible.
      Thank you for watching and I appreciate the comment! 🥳

  • @snapper26
    @snapper26 Před měsícem +14

    Bro that thumbnail looks SICK!

  • @Trixster009
    @Trixster009 Před 28 dny +1

    What they should be doing is how they inserted Meloetta into the Scarlet and Violet DLC. Where getting Meloetta was going through steps that dataminers found out. Spinning around and using the sepia filter was so good!

  • @typemasters2871
    @typemasters2871 Před měsícem +3

    As someone who has been trying to make a “it’s all connected” theory for mythicals and legendaries
    Shaymin and Zarude feel less “legendary” and more “endangered species” because we see that they can be found in groups
    Zeraora doesn’t have that luxury because it has NOTHING to work with, it’s just “electric cat Lucario/Zoroark” (and honestly I thought it would have been a 1 gen only mythical like how Zoroark was event only in Black and White or how Lucario is technically gen 3 before it became available to own in gen 4)

    • @Shinntoku
      @Shinntoku Před měsícem

      Tbh I've always seen Legendaries and especially Mythicals as endangered or at least very rare but not actually being one-offs(usually)

    • @typemasters2871
      @typemasters2871 Před měsícem

      @@Shinntoku well I like to think that most legendaries are one-offs
      I.E.
      Arceus is Poke-god, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are it’s three deity kids, Celebi is connected to Dialga, Hoopa is connected to Palkia, the lake trio help create Mew

    • @Shinntoku
      @Shinntoku Před měsícem

      @@typemasters2871 see I agree the Lake Trio and Celebi are one-offs, but Arceus can create new Dialgas, Palkias, Giratinas and even Arceuses, and Mew were a wide-spread species that dwindled over time as newer, more diverse pokemon began to proliferate

    • @typemasters2871
      @typemasters2871 Před měsícem

      @@Shinntoku indeed, I said that most legendaries would be one-offs
      One-offs would include Pokemon who have implied roles in the creation or maintaining of the world (Groudon, Kyogre, creation trio, lake trio)
      Whilst non one-offs would be Pokemon that can be found in groups (Shaymin, Zarude) or are implied to have more than one (Mew, Lati twins, Galarian kanto birds?)
      Of course Arceus can just create more one-offs if he so wishes, and Arceus himself is one entity with multiple bodies

  • @anibalm93
    @anibalm93 Před měsícem +1

    I once heard and strongly agree with "Every Mythical is a Legendary but not every Legendary is a Mythical."

  • @Cool_Kid95
    @Cool_Kid95 Před měsícem

    The main thing I remember about Zarude is that he has springy vine limbs, like Salada, a much cooler event-only plant related creature from another Nintendo game in the same genre...

  • @DustyGogoat
    @DustyGogoat Před 19 dny +1

    I wonder if there should be a new classification for these Pokémon to explain their significance in the world.

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před 19 dny

      Sounds like something we should discuss in a video or something 👀

  • @TheDonParadox
    @TheDonParadox Před měsícem +4

    if the glove don't fit you must acquit

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +1

      This comment is a certified hood classic

  • @StarWyvernHPB
    @StarWyvernHPB Před měsícem +2

    I like that alot of mythicals have stories or reasons why they're rare such as arcues being god, celebi being a time travelling protector of the forest, mew being a very limited number as the majority have spread out and devrloped into other species.
    I personally like the idea that manaphy are extremely rare because of their circumstances, manaphy eggs only being able to be formed in a specific environment, and hatched through a connect to a person, (like the ancient undersea people who are long gone from the movie), so manaphy eggs are super rare, and eggs formed outside the specific area arent quite right and become phione

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem

      Ok I think this is a fair take honestly. Maybe Manaphy is a bit more than just water togepi after all. Thanks for the comment!🥳
      …Phione still kinda sucks tho

  • @g.mxanthis7575
    @g.mxanthis7575 Před měsícem +1

    "Jirachi is the weaker of the two"
    Serene Grace Iron Head spam would like to have a talk with you

  • @Placeholder501
    @Placeholder501 Před 21 dnem

    I too found it strange that Zarude was a grass primate when the Grookey line was a starter from the same game and generation.

  • @brandonbaggaley2317
    @brandonbaggaley2317 Před měsícem +1

    I would classify mythical as a subset of legendary Pokémon.

  • @TheAzulmagia
    @TheAzulmagia Před 29 dny

    I don't believe the games ever established a connection between Team Rocket and Mewtwo aside from Giovanni having it in USUM.

    • @Sonario648
      @Sonario648 Před 8 dny

      Gen 1 games sort of did, with Giovanni wanting the Master Ball, which fits Mewtwo to a T.

  • @completebuffoon
    @completebuffoon Před měsícem +11

    It’s a squares/rectangles situation. Mythicals are legendaries, but not all legendaries are mythical.

  • @inktendo
    @inktendo Před měsícem +3

    You are firing up content man! Keep it up! Amazing video as always

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem

      Always love hearing from you man, I appreciate this tons!! 🫶

  • @corey2232
    @corey2232 Před 19 dny

    I'd argue that mythicals are anything but integral to a game's region & story, simply because they're usually not even brought up at all or barely referenced by anyone.
    Of course, 3rd entries of a generation (or DLC) may work them in a bit or even allow you to catch mythicals from older games, but rarely is the newest one of a gen even relevant.
    It doesn't help that for much of Pokémon's history, they only made them available outside the game at random events. Most of these felt very disjointed & unrewarding, as you were just given them with barely any in-game effort.
    And the first few games never even made a distinction between mythicals in the West- they were all just legendaries. In that regard, they just felt like these random gimmick Pokémon meant to promote something & could be mostly ignored.

  • @andrecaesar8160
    @andrecaesar8160 Před 23 dny

    Honestly I don't want a direct story connected to the event necessarily, but environmental storytelling. Locations that are connected to said mythical pokemon, little hints about their existence that you can discover during the game before reaching a specific location or using a tool to actually get it. I personally do not want an extension of the main story with the mythical pokemon cause it feels as it cheapens the experience when other characters are involved but I'm the one destined to get the pokemon just cause the game requires so:is much more realistic being the first one to reach a specific area and finding a specific pokemon for the first time in a world that is rather large to explore. Having an extremly long explanation about the pokemon origin by other characters and being forced to find the mythical pokemon as part of a dlc is not as cool as reaching a new place on your own, with 0 or very few mysterious characters, and get your new mysterious creature

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před 23 dny

      This is actually a fair point it really seems like a healthy compromise between the two options we’ve gotten. It’s very much like mew in Gen 1 only being mentioned from old journal entries. Thanks for watching!

  • @Spicy007
    @Spicy007 Před měsícem +2

    'Fi-on' 3:50 everyone knows it's 'fi-on-ni'

  • @RoseSupreme
    @RoseSupreme Před měsícem

    Zeraora and Zarude, especially the former, should be like the Lucario of their respective generations, not Mythicals. Theirs designs just don't scream "Mythical" or "Legendary" to me.
    And Zeraora should've gotten the Electric/Fighting type combination first, not the Pawmi family.

  • @Missiletainn
    @Missiletainn Před měsícem

    Mythicals are a subcategory of legendary, always have been, it's just one Bulbapedia editor's wild misconception which was added without fact checking and later attempted to post-justify it with miscontrude quotes.

  • @MapleLeavesInAutumn
    @MapleLeavesInAutumn Před 28 dny

    Mythical Pokemon are legendary Pokemons, not all legendary Pokemon are Mythical Pokemon.
    Mythical Pokemon are the ones that can't be obtained in the generation they are introduced, and can just be gotten from an event.

  • @Cam10_84
    @Cam10_84 Před měsícem +1

    Meltan, Manaphy and (Dada) Zarude coming from media outside the main games i feel helps thier relation to being mythical, it's just that the story of them isn't in the main games.

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem

      Yeah I don’t mind the lore being outside of the main games, I just miss mythicals in general having significant lore at all. I don’t dislike any of them by any means, some just don’t feel deserving of the exclusivity and status of the title.

  • @UnchainedPandoran
    @UnchainedPandoran Před měsícem +1

    I’ve always grouped special Pokemon under a legendary umbrella. So stuff like mythicals, ultra beasts and paradoxes, while not labeled as legendarys, I personally consider them almost like a branch of the whole legendary classification.
    That being said, like you mentioned, mythicals tended to have a story and a reason to be mythical. With Mons like Volcanion, Zeraora and Zarude, while they do have lore, I feel like it’s not conveyed as strongly as it should. So that’s why those ones tend to be quite forgettable compared to something like Mew or Deoxys.
    Ok, enough yapping. Good vid!

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +1

      That’s a good way to look at it! I agree, some mythicals don’t have as much consideration put into them as others. It’s a huge bummer because a lot of these pokemon have potential to be great! I appreciate you taking the time to leave a comment! It’s always fun reading other peoples opinions on these topics.
      Thanks for watching 🥳

  • @lucarioinfamous
    @lucarioinfamous Před měsícem +2

    “All mythicals are legendaries, but not all legendaries are mythicals”

  • @pirakax12
    @pirakax12 Před měsícem +2

    While gen 9 finaly did justice to a mythcial pokemon with pecharunt its also in a weird spot where walkign wake and iron leave are also event exclsuive mons for some reason but are not mythicals at all. especialy since teh pecharunt event is just avaible for anytone with the dlc while the other 2 show up occatialy as a raid event only

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem

      That’s a really good point. We’ll see what the future holds, but I really hope to see more events like this. Thanks for the comment🥳

  • @somechupacabrawithinternet8866

    oh hi big sister (shiny celebi)
    ....... i miss you... it's been a while since me and you talked. i miss you....

  • @yankee1147
    @yankee1147 Před měsícem

    If it's gotten via paid methods (dlc) or limited time. Or both (looking at you pogo and dlc)
    It's mythical. At least you paid for it this time

  • @ellobellooo
    @ellobellooo Před měsícem

    I luv victini as a mythical 😍😍 always mysterious to me but I always wanted one cos it’s so cuterrr

  • @EnbyFish
    @EnbyFish Před měsícem +4

    Mythicals are just legendaries lol

  • @VictorHernandez-cz1be
    @VictorHernandez-cz1be Před 27 dny

    Aren't mythical a subset of legendary?? That's how I've always seen them, at least

  • @Yak.bobby13
    @Yak.bobby13 Před 29 dny

    Ur mad underrated bro

  • @kevand2898
    @kevand2898 Před 25 dny +1

    Make mythicals great again

  • @hoennfanboy
    @hoennfanboy Před měsícem

    Great video. Rayquaza is indeed the correct answer.

  • @Joey15811
    @Joey15811 Před měsícem

    All the big ones except Arceus should be legendary.

    • @Sonario648
      @Sonario648 Před 8 dny

      There should just be a new classification at this point. Gods.

  • @kieranpleaseforgiveme
    @kieranpleaseforgiveme Před měsícem

    pecharunt & deoxys are my favorites

  • @ivanzoneBR24
    @ivanzoneBR24 Před měsícem

    They are already fixing, there is no problem.

  • @Whurlpuul
    @Whurlpuul Před měsícem

    Bingus is my favourite mythical pokemon

  • @NotPenuin
    @NotPenuin Před měsícem +1

    Bro this vid was so good I watched the whole thing

  • @GoldenThreadSeer
    @GoldenThreadSeer Před měsícem +1

    time traveling onion 😂

  • @wakkaseta8351
    @wakkaseta8351 Před měsícem +3

    Wait, Arceus is Mythical? The trio master isn't even in the same classification?

  • @stellamagdalene3521
    @stellamagdalene3521 Před měsícem +1

    The Theory of Mythicals is a preview of the next Generations.
    Ex, Meloetta is to Gen 6 Kalos/France although Ballet originated in Italy
    Genesect is both past and future combined that can be alluded with Scarlet/Violet to mention that standard Genesect is Purple while Shiny is Red.

    • @StarWyvernHPB
      @StarWyvernHPB Před měsícem +1

      I mean the swords of justice and keldeo are arguably more connected to kalos than melooetta

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem

      Interesting discussion 🤔
      I think in some instances this could be the case. I will say, I personally don’t think there is any correlation between genesect and gen 9. I think that is probably just a coincidence but it is still a fun thought!
      Thanks for the comments 🥳

  • @somechupacabrawithinternet8866

    oh also
    mythical pokemon are legendary. they are only mythical becuase they are event pokemon. they are all legendary. saying they are different is wrong

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem

      I acknowledge this distinction in the video:)

    • @somechupacabrawithinternet8866
      @somechupacabrawithinternet8866 Před měsícem

      @paulycrossing cool. mythical pokemon are legendary pokemon that are given through events they are the same thing. what is the different? how they are given is not what makes them different
      they are just legendary

  • @wantedtone4898
    @wantedtone4898 Před měsícem

    nice

  • @Someguyonline7732
    @Someguyonline7732 Před měsícem +1

    Rayquaza and the rest of Hoenn suck. Trash take if you disagree.

    • @paulycrossing
      @paulycrossing  Před měsícem +1

      Daaang these are some fighting words
      lol I respect the opinion though