Testing Different Ways To Apply & Clean Up Panel Lining Liquid
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Just be aware that Mr Clean Magic Eraser is slightly abrasive. It's like a very fine sanding sponge. It's fine if you're panel lining bare plastics, but be careful when you're panel lining on top of painted surface. You might scrub off the paint/coat.
The type of nib you're looking for with the dip pens are called "crow quills." But once you have the nib holder, the nibs themselves, are generally really cheap. Oh and before I forget, brand new pen nibs have an oil coating on them that are meant to help prevent rusting. I don't know what it will do to enamels, but it plays hell with ink. The best way to get it off of the nib is to quickly run it over a lighter. Hold it by the very end of the nib (the side that goes into the holder) and run it quickly over the flame until you feel it get warm.
I was thinking that some fine grit (2000) sandpaper could be used to shape the tip to a finer point.
@@dorsk84 I wouldn't do that personally. They are extremely thin to begin with, and you don't really want to make them any thinner. It's already very easy to break them.
*****I want to see a test after paint and gloss clear coat.
A tip i picked up is to trim down the applicators bristles to half or 1/3 of the original amount. It gives more control and reduces the amount of ink that flows into the panel line. It also let you do smaller details without smudge.
Hey this is a great idea! Can you still get the ink from the bottle once it starts to run out though?
That's awesome and simple fix
Another awesome test! So I was having difficulty with panel lining and removing excess panel lining on painted pieces, on un-painted pieces I found the Zippo to be the easiest, on painted pieces I found the Zippo actually remove the lacquer paints... My solutions was paint with lacquer / top coat / panel line using acrylic paints with a paint brush and removing the excess with Tamiya Acrylic Paint X-20A thinner. Works great and it opens a lot of different colors combinations.
Mr weathering solvent in my experience doesn't affect lacquer
But top coat is always a good idea
I would like to have seen some tests run on some painted pieces ( sometimes I apply the liner after a primer or sometimes a base color too) I feel the 'friction/abrading' options, namely the eraser and Mr. Clean sheets would take some of the paint underneath off too.
Me too, I use panel liner to emphasize details on a painted model, so I need to remove excess liner without destroying my painted finish.
@@Perfusionist01 Did you ever find a solution? Just got some panel liner for the first time, for my model cars.
First, if you use some Tamiya lacquer thinner, with just a DAMP Q0Tip or thin rag, then can make a quick wipe to remove some. Go quickly and lightly! Secone, after drying I have used Mr.Clean Magic Eraser SHEETS to rub down the finish.@@hhaste
@Barbatos Rex The gundam eraser marker solvent only works on the ink from gundam markers - it won't work on the enamel based Tamiya panel liner (wrong solvent)
Thank you for a great new video. I am curious how rigorous one can be with erasers on painted and varnished surfaces. You tried all this stuff on unpainted plastic. It would be nice to see a similar test on painted and varnished kits.
I used the Tamiya panel accent on my expensive Space Battleship Yamato Bandai kit. It made the plastic brittle, broke a few pieces and left micro cracks in the plastic. I will no longer use lacquer panel washes. I will only use an acrylic wash like Vallejo. It’s safe and easy to wipe off with water or acrylic thinner.
Acrylic paints as panel lines is safe of course. Acrylic paints always been safe for plastic models.
The Mr.Hobby cleaning sticks seem to originally be called "Ruby Sticks" and are for printer cartridge nozzle cleaning from what I have read.
RubyStick seems to be a US brand so possibly reasonably cheap to get in the US.
Otherwise there are some 50-piece bags on Aliexpress for ~25$ usually called something like "T21 printer cleaning stick" .
They are a bit bigger too which I quite like since you can trim them down when they get too gunked up to wash.
If anyone else is gonna use up a lot of these cleaning sticks, those may be a good grab.
I'd love to see these same tests on painted parts that need lining
Every time I have a question I just check your videos and sure enough you not only have a video on it but multiple options in it 10/10 keep it up
That was great and you gave me some ideas for a restoration project I'm working on. I love those Magic sponges, have been using them for years, and now I have another use for them. I haven't tried them for cleaning around the house either, so I might try that too-haha!
I've always done my lines, and no problem. I liked your 'Ball' & color code. I really liked that Mazda, they always seem to change the rules when someone wins at Le Mans. Hey, freaky looking 'glass pen'.🖊️👍
Magic Eraser works well but I've found that Dollar Tree eraser stick (for pencil marks) works just as well. I use a cheap chip brush to knock off the little tags that come off the eraser (same brush for after I sand nub marks). They come with 3 sticks and a holder, 2 kits later and I still have half the first stick left.
Good to know all the other alternatives. Those gun cleaning q-tips you recommended several times and are very much worth buying. I snip the cotton off used ones and save the wood for other crafts...Duel purpose. 👍
Man! That MG Ball look excellently built!
Oh thanks. It's one of my favorites. If you haven't look up Renown Mazda. You'll see the inspiration
I am literally panel lining my mg FAZZ Ver. Ka your timing is amazing! Gonna listen/watch while working.
I do a lot of ink drawings the Pen quwill/tip you want is called a crow foot or mapping tip. its very fine and round. Searching for manga drawing supplys will help!
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I have the Dspiae nib and I use it with every kit I panel line. I love it
Caught this the day before I grabbed some acrylic ink and something like a fountain pen that was shown in a video on its page panel lining with Tamiya. Choosing to try out some acrylic ink just because all my paints are acrylic so less worry of forgetting the hierarchy. Obviously commenting ng before the video is fully watched here so don’t know if you’re testing that out but hoping to see it go well if you are, cuz I’m struggling with top coats the most so being able to panel line without top coating before would be useful for me
Those magic erasers can scuff the plastic
Good to know about the sheets. I get them from Ollie's super cheap.
Did you cover matte varnishes? You mentioned AK' Ultra Matte in a couple of videos, but I haven't seen it show up.
I don't do gunpla but I'm told you are big with power metal bands so that's rad
Love Power Metal. I'll be giving away a signed CD from a new PM band in an upcoming video
Cool stuff, as always.
Just listened to that album and it is awesome, oh and great video as always.
If you use Enamel Thinner to clean off the panel lines, DO NOT let it pool up, or stay on the plastic for too long.
I disintegrated my RG Unicorn leg, and unlike the anime, my RG cannot reform itself magically.
Typically, how long does Tamiya Panel Line Liquid take to dry?
awesome. I was going to ask if you had any recommendations for panel lining/cleaning up over acrylic paint. But it looks like I need to go get some magic erasers!
Well I now have an excuse to pick up the Magic Eraser sheets. Quantum Twilight well I have to check them out. I forgot where I heard this trick form for applying panel lines use toothpicks.
Can i panel line alclad paints after i seal it using aqua gloss?
Great video as always 👍👍i got the ArciveX paints at release, and i isen them to do a lot of starwars stuff, the 1/72scale millennium falcon and a bunch of other starwars stuff, works best in the airbrush, and they are pretty thick paints, very inconsistent from bottle to bottle, some are almost toothpaste thick , i have almost all of the line, lots of greys😆
Lol Love the color of the ball. Are you a rotary fan??? That four rotor sounds amazing.
One of the best sounding engines. My friend it saw it race in person. Said it was awesome in person
You should always top coat paint jobs before inking panel line. And i really don't get what the testing is for. Isn't the panel line enamel based? Why not just use enamel thinner like you're supposed to. Does the job much better and easier. Just need to make sure to let the ink to fully dry first. Also' the gundam marker eraser does not work against enamel.
Kool. Informative as usual. Thanks so much.
I've ordered some clay based panel line wash that can be wiped away with a moisted paper towel. I've seen people soak entire models with that stuff and wipe away the excess wash.
I have some, it's made by Ultimate
I hope all of you awesome guys are having an awesome day.
Hunt crow quill #7 the choice of comic book inkers forever.
I will look that up
I am one of those unfortunate souls who Tamiya liner makes their kits brittle. Was hoping to see some solutions to that.
I would be really interested in an acrylic that performs similarly if you are formulating some. Tamiya liner gives me a headache even with ventilation
I use Citadel Paints, Nuln Oil or Agrax Earthshade or those other lines of washes, they work pretty great for my panel line details, and they clean up well with hot water and a pointed swalb.
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For sure
I see you got archive x paint. It’s great to have the actual colors that ILM for Star Wars. Easy to use
I enjoy your tests.
Thank you and thanks for watching 👍
In another video, you showed us the GodHand circle drill bits. My question is do they come in 5mm.?
Will any of the eraser work on painted surfaces ? Acrylic, Lacquer, or Enamel?
Yes just go lightly and be sure the paint is fully cured
If your video's were numbered searching would be alot easier. I enjoy your videos very much. Where are the sources listed on the products displayed.
Thank you Jim
Nice. Mr Weathering is actually oil based and it's horrible for panel lining. When cleaning you have to push the ink towards the line or you end up cleaning it off. It's great for weathering though.
Gundam marker eraser from my knowledge and experience is intended to be used with the gundam marker paints wich from my understanding are solvent based acrylic, from experimenting it also works with lacquers and solvent based acrylics (mr. Color and tamiya as examples) may or may not work with water-based acrylic and does not work well if at all with enamel. Also from smelling, testing, comparing and trying to recreate gundam marker eraser it is mostly isopropyl alcohol with a bit of lacquer thinner wich in my opinion it's just mr hobby color thinner (the one for solvent based acrylic) with more alcohol.
Ps mr weathering solvent does work with enamel
Mr weathering solvent is a more gentle enamel thinner and not as reactive with other pain types, I use it because from experience most enamel thinners can react with the paint underneath even when top coated, but mr weathering solvent doesn't. My only gripe with mr color weathering solvent is that if you make your own panel line wash is that if you add to much to the paint at once it turns into a goop, you need to add a few drops at a time and mix, add and mix, add and mix.
Ahh that explains it. Thanks for the heads up. But it seems now after all no solvents are needed as the clean wipes or the eraser worked well
@@barbatosrex9473 from my experience the magic eraser scuffs the surface so it's a no go for me on my painted kits, but I've seen people use it on non painted models(just panel lined) to achieve a mat coat effect without mat top coat.
@@barbatosrex9473 I use the eraser pen for travel or when I’m building on the graveyard shift at work. Can’t bring in jars of enamel or lighter fluid so the markers with the eraser pen work well
@@Singlecartest yeah, the travel aspect of it is good.
how did you clean up the panel lining on the painted kit? No one ever shows clean up on painted kits! Super frustrating.
That's my issue.. did you ever find a solution? I want to panel line my painted model cars but I'm not sure how to go about wiping the excess.
I just tested a tiny bit on a painted and clear coated spoon I had and it wiped off fine with a Q-tip dipped in water, just as long as you do it right away before it dries that would probably be the safest option.. Unless you have a water based clear coat then that may still affect it.
The gundam pannel liners kinda suck imo. For me the always stop working even when I open a fresh one ...am I doing something wrong?
Hey Rex, different topic. Do you or anyone know reading this of a color wheel for colorblind people or people in general not good with colors? The color wheels I have and seen just have the name of the primary colors on the outer edge of the wheel. Im looking for something that actually spells out ALL the colors. For instance on one side the primary color is yellow, but if you add red you get this color "orange" of course but have orange printed there as well. Also on the other side of the wheel you have your primary and complimentary colors say like red-orange; those three colors shades under it are? Tell me what they are, because I am not sure, and I guess and most times Im wrong. I've wasted a lot of paint trying to match colors. I have issues with shades of red, yellow and green. Some green can look brown and some reds can look kinda yellow. I can tell if something is red-red or yellow-yellow or green-green, but many colors can be very close. thanks
I see you have an Archive-x in the background
Do you know when the neon panel liners will be back in stock? Want to get complete set
I wonder how a helix electric eraser would work
Do you need to top coat before using the zippo fluid?
Those clean up sponges are identical to make up sponges, apart from the inflated prices
Besides tamiya panel lining and gundam markers pour type. Can we make our own panel lining liquid which acts as tamiya panel liner or pour type markers
Sure. Be make sure it doesn't get too thin or you lose the pigments and it's no longer opaque
@Barbatos Rex if u can show us theres no panel line or hobby material in this side of the world so your channel and experiments are what make me go out there and try everything
the Mazda 787B?
Oh yeah 👍
@@barbatosrex9473 I love that car! Can’t find a model kit for it though
@Barbatos Rex, have you experienced any discoloring of colored parts (red/blue/yellow) using lighter fluid?
Would you wanto test nazca paints?
What do you use to seal Tamiya/Mr Hobby lined panels i.e. due you use enamel, acrylic, or lacquer sealer?
Well the kit I showed you in the video was sprayed with Tamiya Spray cans which is a lacquer
nice.
Do you have a specific Amazon link to the cleaning swabs you use? I think you probably left a link to one of your past videos, but I’ve forgotten where. Thanks!
Here you go
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I did forget
Do you ever panel line car/truck models. Thinking of trying it out. Never done as I'm fairly new to the hobby.
Oh yes, I panel line cars. Go with a grey, it will look more to scale
@@barbatosrex9473 thanks will
Have you tried dry erase markers?
Did you try alumaluster for a chrome finish yet? Ridiculously expensive but maybe would be worth it for a comparison.
I haven't. I'll look into that
For the completed RG Gundam shown early in the video, do you clear coat the model before putting on the decals or are they put directly on the unpainted surface then matte clear coated? Thanks
On that kit I put the decals down first on the plastic then I cleared it
Where did you get the double-sided swabs? Amazon?
Get them here
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what kit is this?
It's the MG RX-78
@@barbatosrex9473 sorry i was meaning the finished one you showed in the beginning it looks super good xD
I tend to gloss coat the end result of my models. I love the gloss look.... hard for me to make a dirty/dull model lol
I like the mat look but I agree with you, I'm not the biggest fan of weathered Gundams
You sound just like Saul Goodman
Just find Melamine foam, it's what mr clear erasers are made out of.
Great info
When I was new I thought Gundam markers were such a cool idea. But having used them, and seen other people use them, I think they’re all terrible. Am I missing something? Paint or solvent, they seem universally difficult to use and I don’t know what the point is of them being in a marker at all. Most of the time you have to get it out of the marker to use it anyway.
Those Molotow markers though… 😮
I'm sorry , but I don't think your tests on anything but the colored plastic is valid . To really be valid , it should be painted and sealed . The panel line liquids act differently and react with the seal coat . Putting enamel panel lining on acrylic or lacquer based sets coats is a real test for clean up . Kinda disappointing about this test . It's not really a real life test . Sorry , don't want to be negative
Super sick video! I’m Lining for the first time and this was helpful af! MG Barbatos incoming! 🫡
Just find Melamine foam, it's what mr clear erasers are made out of.