Tesla - Ultimate Home Charging Guide
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- Today I'm going over the six main things you need to consider when deciding on a home charging setup for you Tesla. Even if you don't own a Tesla, this may help you decide on a charging system for any EV.
This video was made March 30, 2022. If things change significantly, I'll revisit this video in the future. The biggest change since I have done this video is the release of the Tesla Universal Wall Connector which supports both Tesla NACS and J1772 charging ports. This may be the best solution to support all EVs as the transition to NACS takes place.
Thanks to Gary Yorkdale for providing me the ability to video his wall connector setup at his house.
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00:00 Intro
00:22 Terminology
03:12 1) Cost of Charging Device
06:05 2) Panel or Breaker Limitations
08:42 3) Charging Speed
09:16 Gen 2 Mobile Connector with NEMA 5-15 at 12A
10:48 Gen 2 Mobile Connector with NEMA 5-20 at 16A
12:26 Gen 2 Mobile Connector with NEMA 14-30 at 24A
13:40 Gen 2 Mobile Connector with NEMA 14-50 at 32A
14:48 Gen 1 Mobile Connector with NEMA 14-50 at 40A
16:53 Wall Connector at 48A
18:42 4) Daily Driving Distance
20:06 5) Transportable and Service
20:37 6) Aesthetics
20:56 Conclusion
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The biggest change since I have done this video is the release of the Tesla Universal Wall Connector which supports both Tesla NACS and J1772 charging ports. This may be the best solution to support all EVs as the transition to NACS takes place.
Need this guy to come to my house and turn my garage into what he’s got.
Amazing job!
Thanks! I have a whole video playlist on the garage construction, check it out. I did the interior myself and it was quite a lot of work.
This is the most thorough video I’ve seen. Thank you
I got the Tesla charger installed. Now all I need is a Tesla. 😂
Good luck!
It sounds like you got a dildo before getting a bf
Ever get that Tesla? That’s sounds like something I would do…lol… I can’t wait to get mine…
Lol 😂 I am working on my wall connection next will be deciding which Tesla to get 😅
No tesla yet because I don't make enough to qualify for the tax credit. 😭
AND IF YOU ARE OFF-GRID HERE IS HOW i charge my Model 3 long range. Three 300 watt solar panels fed into a Renogy 60 amp MPPT charge controller. Charging 5 Battle Born deep cycle 100 amp batteries. And a Renogy 2000 watt inverter. I get 6 miles of range every hour from 9:00 am until 4:00 PM. (No shade on the panels but I do point one slightly toward the east and one slightly toward the west with the middle panel strait up on my flat roof.) True the upfront cost was expensive but no electric bill and no worries when the grid goes down. Cost about $6200.
Thank you for the thorough explanation !! Most detailed I’ve seen on CZcams. 😊
Hands down the best video for understanding to get going on charging. Just wish I watched yours first.
Really good video! Well done! Finally a video on charging that uses the correct terminology - most videos I have seen always refer to an EVSE as a home charger and confuses people into thinking they need to install a "Home Charger". Also, really well done in explaining how fast you will need to charge depending on your everyday use!
Outstanding in depth content. Thank you
Thanks for this great, clear, calm, organized and informative video. Well done!
Bonus b-roll of the North Hills area and my old haunts was a nice bonus as well :)
Finally found the single no nonsense video that clearly articulates the charging options for Tesla, thanks!!
I limit the "entertainment" since other people do that better than me.
thanks for explaining this very easy!
This came in so handy, thank you! Just got the NEMA 14-50 outlet installed in my garage and looks like it was the best choice
Yes, it is very flexible.
Very clear and pertinent info on the entire charging issue. Helpful in making my decision. And I want a garage as neat and clean as yours.
Got to love those "Spear" circuits.... LOL
I was wondering if anyone was going to notice. I'm guessing the electrician didn't do well on his spelling bees!
Excellent job explaining the different charging solutions. As the owner of an electrical contracting company for several decades before retiring, it is refreshing to see a video with correct information using proper terminology. You struck a good balance between providing enough detail for proper understanding without becoming unnecessarily over complicated. You also offer good advice by recommending the homeowner consult a professional electrician. Improper installations can be dangerous to your home and family! Thumbs up on this video.
I personally chose to install a Tesla wall connector fed with a 60A circuit for my MYLR even though a lower cost option would have worked fine with my relatively low daily mileage average. I wanted to keep the Gen 2 mobile connector in the car at all times "just in case", without the hassle of rolling up the cord and restoring it to the vehicle each time I decide to go somewhere. I could have just purchased a second Gen 2 mobile connector, but I decided it was worth it to me to spend just a little more and install the very attractive Tesla wall connector with the added benefit of slightly higher charging speeds.
Thanks, it's hard to balance information overload with ease of understanding. As it is it's one of my longer videos - I try to keep them under 10 minutes without filler. There is a lot more electrical detail I could go into, but that bogs things down.
Excellent video. Thank you!
Thank you for the video, answered all my questions. God bless.
superb Video!..
Thanks
This is a dream garage! Your garage, card and all tools are so clean and well organized 👌
Thank you so much. It was my goal for this new garage build. I did the interior myself (other than the ceiling drywall). Check out the playlist that covers all the different parts.
Holy garage envy. Thanks for the great video.
great video! Thank you!
Excellent video thank you
Amazing stuff sir!!! Thank you so much.
Very well done, thanks!!
Great video! Thanks.
Great video explanation.
Just got a Model Y! Thank you for the help video!
Good luck, you will enjoy it!
thanks for the tips. For road trips, it would seem that using a slower v2 supercharger is better for the battery than a v3 supercharger. It will take 5-10 more minutes.
Nice video on how to organize a garage!
you are the best in this field. Thank you.
Thanks for the kind words! I will do an version two of this video when bi-directional charging gets popular.
Thanks for all the great information. I love the garage. Do you have a video on the garage walls?
Sure, I have a whole playlist on the garage construction. Here is the wall video: czcams.com/video/sYKw60q2tcU/video.html
Thanks for this video! Can you please tell me about your interior garage walls and flooring. I've never seen anything like it. Love it!
Thanks! I have a whole video series on the garage construction. I have Proslat slatwall (czcams.com/video/sYKw60q2tcU/video.html) and Swisstrax Ribtrax Smooth (czcams.com/video/fU59qZ5vdY0/video.html) installed.
Great video - love the garage! If possible, can you send the link of how you finished your garage? The material looks sturdy and has a beautiful finish! Being able to add hooks wall to wall is a huge plus and only adds value to the house! Great job!
I have a whole video playlist covering the garage. czcams.com/play/PL3KGLh_BqvV6i1jcVJYBkD0tVn4KLbx6V.html , especially Parts 10/11/12.
Great video! Unfortunately the house I rent is so old that the panel cant handle the faster charging. Trickle charging has been working fine for me as I drive about 50 miles a day. There are enough superchargers close by like the one in North hills if I need a quick charge.
Maybe as a renter you should look at Neocharge or split volt. Using the 240 volt dryer receptacle gives you ability to charge at level 2 with 24 amp
great video, planning my home charging while waiting on my MYP
Thank you for the great video!
Can you talk about the rough cost estimate on electric bill for using 14-50 with no solar panels?
Thank you
Thanks for the informative video! I read that charging with 120V would use more energy / kwh compared to 240v. Is that true? Also would the energy use be different for all the 240V options?
Yes, 240V is more efficient. The difference is around 8-10%. As to the difference between different 240V options, they are very similar. More detail in this link: www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/fsnjzm/model_3_factfinding_ac_charging_efficiency/
Call the nearest junkyard and inquire if the have the portable connector provided with the car until recently. Most will have a few available.
Food for thought
I think you have answered my issue. In Australia we only have 240V and I have installed a Gen 3 wall charger for my model S. The circuit breaker is 32 amp and the car only has a max charge rate of 16 amps. This is most likely due to the 32 amp breaker. I will test this at my holiday house next week, it also has a Gen 3 charger with a breaker at 40 amps.
If the circuit breaker is 30 A, then the wall connector should be set to 24 A. Possibly it was not set up correctly. Page 3 of the manual mentions how to adjust breaker size setting: www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/support/charging/Gen3_WallConnector_Installation_Manual.pdf
Thank you for speaking slowly and annunciating every word. It was every easy to follow and to understand. :)
When I get the red Tesla Model 3 when I’m 16 or 17 I’m gonna charge my Tesla anywhere with my mobile connecter and I will get both the Mobile connecter and the Wall connecter
This is the BEST video showing the charging lol you made me wanna buy a Electric car now...even with 120V 8 hours = 30+ miles... that's enough for daily work
Thank you!
This would work for me since i only drive maybe 30 miles round trip to work. All i need now is a Tesla, charger and house with nice garage
I’m usually plugged in from 7pm to 7am, so with my 120V charging, I get about 4mi/hr. So 12 x 4 = 48 miles per night is plenty for me!
we just purchased a Y 2023 yesterday ,from mt Kisco. we live in CT. . we did not get any charging device .we are trying to understand the system - the options. your video will give us more of an understanding . ~ JDS/CT. thanks
You’re welcome. Enjoy the new Y!
Got a splitter for the Nema 14-30 dryer outlet and ran an extension over to the car charger.
Hi. Do you have to put the extension cable in the conduit? How long is your ext. Cable? Thanks.
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No just keep it off the floor
I used some nail in mounts to run it up the wall and a bike hanging hook in the ceiling
You may not need the extension if your dryer is in the garage. Mine is in a separate room so i made a hole in the wall to run the extension through.
You can get 10ft, 25ft, or 50ft extensions on amazon.
What is your situation like?
Great video! I take delivery this coming June for a model 3. I'm extremely excited! Off curiosity, where did you get your grey wall liners in your garage? That looks awesome!
Thanks, I did a full playlist for the garage construction. This is the one for the walls: Proslat Slatwall
czcams.com/video/sYKw60q2tcU/video.html
@@MTNRanger thanks!!
Were you always the perfect person for this video!? Lol where did all these outlets come from?
You mean the outlets in my garage? I did have a lot installed.
Tesla now bundles the NEMA 5-15 and 14-50 adapters with the mobile connector kit ($250). I ordered one when I ordered my '24 Tesla Model Y Long Range this week.
That's good that Tesla is including both adapters.
At 9:45 you show a metal bracket that you use to support the portable charger. Where can I find this bracket?
Sure, look at the second link in the video description.
Using a DCC-12 (Energy management system for electric vehicle) is also an option instead of the panel upgrade.
Can you explain what a DDC-12 is. My house is soooo old, I only have a 100 watt panel
Here's the setup I have in my home - there's a NEMA 14-50 outlet near my breaker box outside the garage. If I want to use it to charge, I have to use an extension cord (50 Amp extension cord). Would that be safe? Otherwise, I would have to plug the mobile connector outside the garage - is that a safe thing to do?
For 120V using a 10 or 12 gauge extension works fine. I don’t recommend using an extension cord for 240 V.
Hi, 11:55. You said when you plug in the mobile charger, your car will designate the max amp that you should set when charging. Am I understanding that correctly? Thank you!
At this point in the video, I was using the NEMA 5-20 which can handle 16 amps. I had to increase the car’s level since it was previously using the NEMA 5-15 which maxes out at 12 amps. If I plug in the mobile connector later, the car will remember the higher amp level. Does that help?
@@MTNRanger Yes, it does. Thank you!
Where you live, whether you own your own home, house location and orientation, electrical usage, income, electric rates and any solar panel incentives from your utility also are factors to consider if solar panels are a viable option for you. In my case my modest solar panel system, 3.6kW, along with EV TOU rates and net metering, sunny SCal climate means my Tesla and a heat pump system for heating/AC all run on sunshine. Ymmv.
Where you electricity comes from is out of the scope of this video. But, yes, it is a major consideration for owners. For example, I would love to have solar, but my house is basically in a forest. I do pay for solar credits from my electricity company that covers my average use.
I like that you pointed out at the end of the 3rd section that the Model 3 is limited to 32A regardless of the wall connector.
I am looking at a Model 3 but that limitation doesn't cause any issue with me as the wall charger for my non-Tesla is only a 32A unit.
It depends on the Model 3. Standard range is limited to 32 A by the onboard charger. However, Long Range and AWD has a 48 A onboard charger. If you have a gen 2 mobile connector it’s limited to 32 A on either car.
@@MTNRanger Oh no, I am not wasting money on a long range or performance version.
The standard, rwd, version suits my daily driving needs just fine and I am keeping a regular vehicle for those situations where covering significant range without any long delays is a factor.
@@pauld6967 Sure, everyone has different needs. I’m at the point where I take my car on every long distance trip now. Usually the car is done charging before everyone has finished their bio break or bought food. My last trip a couple weeks ago required 10-15 minute stops to charge.
@@MTNRanger I have seen from this and other videos that quick, just-what-you-need, charges make more sense for overall trip time than standing around waiting while the car fights its way up the 80% to 100% hill.
Better to charge from 10% to 50% or so and get back on the road. Keep the "fill her up" charging session as something you do at your final destination.
@@pauld6967 Yes, after five years of driving it I’m comfortable going down to 5% and charging up to 50-60% on trips. Then destination charge at a hotel when I arrive.
Best video on Charging Options I've seen. Update: I saw a recent video about a 20kW system by Tesla. Not sure if that was accurate, but it seemed legit.
I have heard some third parties that offer DC fast charging solutions that do 20kW, but they are using CHAdeMO or CCS. 20kW is more than AC charging can provide. DC charging is outside the scope of this video. If you have a link that shows Tesla doing it, I would like to see it. Thanks!
@@MTNRanger So far the guy I saw was an installer on a CZcams channel. It was a DC type. I am fairly certain it ran off of 480 AC.
@@jkcurti Yes, that will be restricted to commercial since residential is usually max of 240 AC. And you would need the CHAdeMO or CCS adapter to work.
I've seen many recommendations for 60 amp. I'm getting a model Y. Is 60 amp overkill for new model Ys (if we wire directly from box)??? Thanks!
60 A is good if you want to use a hardwired connection for a Tesla Wall Connector or other 48 A EVSE. It will charge about 20% faster than a NEMA 14-50 at 40 A (with a compatible EVSE). If you need to do a 0-100% charge every day, then the 60 A will be nice to have. Otherwise, personally it is kind of overkill. It's up to you and if you have the capacity on your electrical panel.
We have a Tesla Y on order. We don't have a garage. Can we mount a fixed Tesla safely on the side of our house? Thanks
The best bet for exterior installations is a hard-wired wall connector. If you use mobile connector with a weatherproof exterior outlet.
Do you keep the home charger plugged into the outlet even when not charging the Tesla? is that ok?
Yes. Repeated plugging/unplugging can wear out the outlets. Only remove if you need to move the unit.
You have a sick garage
Thanks, it took a few months of work! I have a playlist on it (especially parts 7-12):
czcams.com/play/PL3KGLh_BqvV6i1jcVJYBkD0tVn4KLbx6V.html
If you turn on the switch for the Tesla wall connector you’re gonna see some colors, Red means that something is wrong, Yellow means that charger isn’t plugged in all the way.
I'm renting a house and cant park in the garage. What is the maximum extension or just straight cord I can obtain and use? I'd estimate about 40 ft should do it.
Extension cords are okay for temporary use. If you need a 50 foot cord, make sure it is 10 gauge - less voltage drop and less heat buildup. For less than 50 feet, 12 gauge is fine. amzn.to/3KETvwT
Thanks!
So on average, how much this increase your electricity bill by?
For the last 5 years, my average monthly electricity for the car is $33.
I wish I watched this video before I installed my wall connector.
I have a model Y which can only charge up to 11kw ac. Is it normal?
Yes, 11.5 kW (48 A x 240 V) is the max for all recent Tesla vehicles.
Do I have to set the amps each time I charge at different locations/options? Not a big deal once I settle on a home charger I guess
It remembers your location. You may have to set if for the first time. If you use the correct plugs and outlets, it should max out with those capabilities. For example using the NEMA 14-30 it should not go above 24 A. However, if you use adapters like a NEMA 14-50 to 14-30, the EVSE will erroneously think it can use the full 40 A. Then you would need to set that 24 A in the car. It's always good to double check when using.
Good to know. I think 14-30 will be ok for my needs and I have a spare 40 amp (switch from an electric to a gas stove) so I assume that will be a simple wire out to the garage with the outlet. I’ll go through a telsa recommended installer once I get closer to making a decision overall. Thanks
@@krisevonSounds good to me.
I have a 240 outlet in my garage for the dryer and Idont use it since my dryer is a gas type. I checked the wires at the outlet and they are 6 gauge Aluminum and the circuit breaker set for it is 30AMP.
My question is since the wires #6 are rated at 55AMP; therefore, can I change the outlet to the 14-50 so I can charge my M3 at 30mi/hour. My other 240V outlets are at 40AMP for the AC and 30AMP for the oven and I have a 100AMP service panel.
Should I go for the 14-50 or stay at the 14-30?
Thank you in advance for the adcives.
6 Gauge Aluminum for a 30A outlet is fine. The rule of thumb is that aluminum is equivalent to one grade smaller copper (6 gauge aluminum = 8 gauge copper). I would not use it for a NEMA 14-50 and a 50A breaker. See how your car works with the NEMA 14-30.
You should also change out the receptacle. Most of them installed for dyers are cheaper box store ($15 ) and are not designed for the continuous load of EVSEs. They are finding a lot of overheating and melting. Commercial grade outlets are necessary. In many areas they are adopting the new code that requires a gfci breaker as well. And, most manuals state the need for 90 degree copper wire.
@@MTNRanger Thanks! I checked again and found that the Aluminum wires are #4 not #6.
@@marksweeting24 Thanks!. Yes I did use the $100+ Hubbell plug.
What is the plug on the other end connect to?
Can you give me the timelink in the video to understand what you mean?
If my panel has a spot reserved for 240v 30A dryer, I can use that space to charge my Tesla right?
Sure, use a NEMA 14-30 outlet (make sure it's industrial grade) and you can charge at 24 Amps. And hopefully the wiring goes to your garage! I use that in one of my two garage charging setups.
@@MTNRanger how do I make sure it’s industrial grade? What’s that mean
@@peterpiper3790In the video description it lists NEMA 14-50. Industrial are heavy grade to allow for repeated plugging/unplugging. Also thicker wire connectors. Here is a NEMA 14-30 example: www.mscdirect.com/product/details/74366386 or www.mscdirect.com/product/details/10092641
@@MTNRanger thanks bro
My electrician approved me to either wire a NEMA 14-30 with 30 amp breaker, or install the wall charger with a 30 amp breaker.. I have a 100 amp breaker with gas washer/dryer/kitchen appliances, and a central AC unit. which option would you reccomend?
I find my NEMA 14-30 (24 A) works fine with either of my EVs. I end up charging roughly once or twice a week. If you already have the wall connector, you probably should get the hard wired option. Is the price the same for either choice?
@MTNRanger yes he gave me the same quoted price to install the 14-30 or the wall connector, but either way would be hooked up to a 30 amp switch. I think I'll be good getting the average 21 mph with that speed but haven't purchased the mobile connector or wall charger yet as I'm still confused which would be the better option
@@mrVP96 It's up to you, both give you the same charge rate. I would just get the mobile connector and the NEMA 14-30 since it would be the least cost. Then if you need to travel, you can take the mobile connector with you.
@MTNRanger that's true, I was also maybe factoring if down the road I upload my panel or even if I upload my switch to maybe 40 amps, then it's a quick change with the wall connector vs getting the plug. On the other end the nema would be constant 30 amps, but not sure if the wall connector would ever glitch out or restart itself where it defaults back to 60 amp charging
@@mrVP96 The Wall Connector has a physical switch inside it that determines the max amp level. One way to future proof your setup is to use the thickest gauge wire (4 gauge Romex or 6 gauge thnn). So in the future, an electrician just needs to swap out the breaker. Running the wiring is usually the most expensive part of an installation.
1:45 for anyone who doesn’t know this and is buying a new Tesla, they don’t come free with a charger/ whatever he called it.
Yes, Tesla stopped giving the mobile connector with the car a month or so after this video came out.
@@MTNRanger Ty for the heart, I saw it was from a year ago so I figured it was still included with the car then.
You can’t buy a gen 1 charger anymore? Why do they still have it listed on the website
Gen 1 mobile connector. Show me a link. Tesla hasn't sold them in over five years.
I am about to get a Tesla wall connector installed. For maximum performance, do you recommend using 4 or 6 gauge wire with a 60 amp circuit breaker?
I would lean towards 4 gauge wire for a 60A breaker. Less resistance means less heat that can develop. It can also reduce voltage sag, especially if you are going a longer distance. How far is it from the breaker to the proposed Wall Connector?
@@MTNRanger The distance from the breaker box to where I plan to put the wall connector will probably be 45 feet or more
@@Noogie5555 Yes, 4 gauge looks like the best choice.
@@MTNRanger what about 70ft?
@@Yellingwonthelp The voltage drop on 70 feet will definitely require 4 gauge wire for 60 A.
I have 200-amp service, but had to have a 60-amp sub-panel installed to support the Tesla wall connector. Electrician confirmed the line coming into my house was the proper gauge to support the additional draw. If this is not the case, this job gets WAY more expensive.
You did the right thing. Like I said, get an electrician to see if you can support a 60A breaker - it's a lot of continuous usage to handle.
I've found myself in a bit of a pickle and need clarification to understand what I'm dealing with.. I just had an electrician install a breaker into the panel and a 30' SO(?) cord which ends in a free hanging 14-50 outlet that I'm going to pull outside of the garage when I need to charge, to match up with the 14-50 adapter that I ordered from Tesla. I thought we were both on the same page about what setup I wanted installed, which would be to get the most power I can as quickly and safely as possible without installing a wall unit since we're renting the house. It wasn't until the very end that I realized that the breaker was a 30 amp breaker and figured that wouldn't be able to support 32A being pulled like I see in this video being possible.
He said the reason why he went with that and a 10 gauge cable was because the adapter itself says it's rated for 30A and that's what he was basing the whole setup on, to prevent overloading anything.
Which confuses me because it seems the last number in the NEMA adapter stands for the amount of amperage it should be able to handle, which in this case should be 50, right? If so, why does the adapter say otherwise on the inside of the plug? Is it not safe to repeatedly use at 32A for prolonged periods of time? Using the 80% equation, it could be linked up to as low as a 40 amp breaker and still get the full flow to charge the car at 32A, but that would be higher than what the adapter is rated for.
Now I have a cable and breaker that is more suited for a 14-30 plug and it seems I won't get the full charging capability I was hoping for and thought I was getting installed.
I fully understand the electrician's reasoning for the material and parts he got, he did it with safety in mind based on the ratings printed on the Tesla parts. But doesn't this mean I'm only going to get up to a 24A current? Because if that's the case that's not what I wanted or asked for. He said he's done quite a few installations for other Tesla owners so I trust his experience, but is there something he doesn't know that you do MTN Ranger? What is it that would limit the car from drawing the full 30A from the setup I now have using the 14-50 adapter, or would it be safe to do so? Should I have him come back out and redo the installation in order to get the max potential from that plug?
Sorry for the lengthy post, just want to make sure I can get my head wrapped around all this stuff that's very new to me!
I think the electrician was overthinking it. He should have just used a 6 gauge wire, 50 amp breaker, and a NEMA 14-50 outlet. The mobile connector will only use 32 out of the 50 amps. The manual also states that it supports up to 32 amps. www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/charging_docs/gen_2_umc/Gen2_UMC_Manual_en_US.pdf I've used mine for almost five years with no issues. Someday if you replace that mobile connector with, say a corded mobile connector (supports 40 A), it will give you a bit extra power. shop.tesla.com/product/corded-mobile-connector
@@MTNRanger thanks for the info. Now, does the connector or car automatically regulate the charging amperage to 80% of the breaker? Or would I still be able to pull the full 30A through my setup?
@@myetoob23 It depends which EVSE you are using. For example if you use a J1772 40A EVSE with a NEMA 14-50 to 14-30 adapter for an 14-30 outlet, the car will not know that the max should be 24 instead of 40 A. You have to limit that in the car's charge screen. I haven't tried to do the same thing with a mobile connector. I'll test that out for you. Stay tuned.
@@myetoob23 OK, testing a gen 1 MC (40A) with a NEMA 14-50 connected to a 14-50 to 14-30 adapter and plugged into a NEMA 14-30 outlet. When going to the car’s screen it shows a max of 40A - which I quickly turned down to 24A. So the car only knows the max A of the Mobile Connector with the NEMA 14-50 plug. It has no idea if an adapter or lower amp outlet like a NEMA 14-30 is connected. So you have to be very careful!
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Before calling an electrician check your panel and see if you ave any breakers that are NOT being used but were installed by the builder. For example, do you already have an electrical receptacle to your ELECTRIC water heater but use GAS? This breaker is not used and the wires are already there. You just need the receptacle Nema 10-30. This will work for a 10-30 connection to charge EV.
Yes, it's good to check for unused breakers. NEMA 10-30 is not a common EVSE plug. I recommend 14-30, which I use.
@@MTNRanger Good to know, thanks.
If you're running wire and adding a circuit, make sure you run #4 THHN or THWN wire in 1" conduit all the way from the CB panel to the charging port. That's the only way to safely and legally get 48 amps of charging- and hardwire the Tesla charger port. If you want to use an "outlet", then get the Hubbell 4950 industrial outlet. Don't cheap out. Pay the $100 for the outlet. You've already paid 75k for the car so what's another $500 in proper wire & such?
EVERY DAY fire departments are responding to car fires because of poor charging set ups.
Yes, I have a video that discusses how to install the NEMA 14-50 and I definitely suggest using the industrial grade outlets. Wiring can also depend on your location. Everything in my area uses romex for outlets and direct wire for code when my garage was built two years ago. Nothing wrong with either type.
@@MTNRanger True, and I ran 6/3 Romex for mine. But afterward, I found that a "Tesla certified" charger needs the 48 amp capability. With the 80% rule, that would require #4 THHN and a 65A breaker (they don't make a 55A breaker).
Yes, 6/3 Romex **can** handle the 50 amps but the Tesla Certified port would be better.
Go big or go home. Just pay the extra $200 for the upgraded wire / conduit. It will supply anything in the next 20 years.
@@MTNRanger Also- look for rebates- local, state, federal AND the power company rebates. That alone may pay for ALL of this wiring and such!
@@stargazer2504 80% of 60 A gets you 48 A max that the Wall Connector would require. You need a 60A breaker. For a short run 6/3 is fine. Yes, long runs, 4/3 is appropriate. I agree, it's better to oversize for future proofing too.
@@stargazer2504 Yes, I also got some very good federal tax credits for installing 2 solar attic fans and replacing ceiling insulation this past summer in my house.
Apparently, none of the above comes with the car any longer. Optional extras. "You like the wagon? You want wheels with it?"
Yes, I mentioned that in come of the other comments. Tesla discontinued including them about a month after the video was made.
I drive 50 to 180 miles per day so looks like I'll need a nema 14-50
Yes, that will probably be the best choice for you if your have 50 amps available in the panel.
Oh my gosh so many technicality that non electrician will not understand
Sorry, I tried to break it down. Are you looking to get a home installation?
If you install a NEMA 14-50 or NEMA 6-50, make sure you choose the right one or you may be at risk of a fire. czcams.com/video/rKFGW2LfMEg/video.html
Yes, my NEMA 14-50 and 14-30 installation videos talk about using industrial outlets and proper wire torquing.
@@MTNRanger Not everyone mentions these industrial outlets. Also agree on torquing specs
just plug it in to anything,,, there saved ya 24 mins lol
Is no one gonna ask about the 240V 30A microwave???
Sorry, not sure what you are referring to. What time in the video?
@@MTNRanger at 6:35 you show your CB panel and it has a 30A 240V double-pole labeled "microwave"... That's some serious cooking!
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Just to let you know that my home power is 220 volts
Yes, depending on where you live, the voltage differs.
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Can I use nema adapter to charge fast instead of 12 amp
If a long winter blackout occurs in a land of electric cars most of the population will
perish in the freezing cold. The gas powered car that would provide cabin heat for
many days will not be there. The electric car could only supply heat for a short time
and would quickly discharge its battery making a trip to a shelter impossible.
This statement is wrong in so many ways. What happens if the ICE car runs out of gas - the same thing! It has been shown that even with a half full battery pack you could last for a couple days with the heater on. A week if you just use the seat heaters. This is a non-issue.
My Tesla solar panels and powerwalls got me through the 44hr Houston blackout last year and if I had my Model 3 then I could have changed it as well.
This is a straw man argument. Gas cars aren't going to save anyone from an extended blackout period either. You know what will? A focus on renewables.
A gas station is a real time saver.!!😉
Not really. Every morning I get a full “tank”.
@@MTNRangerWhen the grid that can't accommodate all the ev's collapse! then people like me on life support die!! Was my sacrifice to my country worth it being a Veteran?!!
@@carlbrown5150 The EV transition will take many years. That will be plenty of time for the grid to expand. For example, I use 4x the amount of energy using my home's HVAC than charging my car. Yet we are able to have most homes with HVAC. I don't see a problem over the long run. Unfortunately, this issue has been used as a scare tactic by conservative media.
Tesla is not providing chargers any longer
Yes, that happened just after doing this video. They are still a good deal compared to other EVSEs.
Clean up that messy garage.
Thanks, it took a couple months to install everything. I like how it came out.
Always nice to have a Spear breaker
50 A is a powerful spear. I'm sure the electrician chose the correct rating.
Great video. Thank you!