How to Rally in Forza Horizon 5 | Beginner's Building/Tuning Guide for Rally/Offroad
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- This video begins with car selection for rally builds, then walks through building and tuning a rally car, and finally touches on troubleshooting and cross country tuning as well.
0:00 Intro
0:45 Car choice
2:02 Building the car
9:32 Tuning the car
16:11 Troubleshooting
18:20 Cross Country / Outro
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Evil HokiHoshi be like: Everyone use the Hot Wheels Boneshaker
Evil HomiHoshi be like: Min max and do suspension exploit
The boneshaker is good as hell but I never use it. I enjoy driving classic cars mostly. I find the exotic cars boring.
@@Anotherandoman93I love hot wheels cars, not because they're meta, I just like hot wheels
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Once again nailing it in every way possible with these guides, Hoki. Can't wait for the drag racing guide.
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@@spupp1274 uhhh. What?
Son was on my phone lol sorry
@@spupp1274 ah lol.
Gonna be like “ok first to start off remove your steering bind by going in to settings and controls.”
Fun fact: Most of the 'official" rally cars such as Ken Block's, the Honda Civic Coupe, the #34 Beetle, etc. have grippier stock tires than the rally tires upgrade. They also have rally suspension by default, but their ride height is pretty much bottomed out. Really interesting
Wait, is this why i couldn't find the rally suspension and tyres on the Audi Quattro?
@@kiv2193 From what I can tell if you can't find an upgrade for a certain car its because the stock parts are that missing part or better. For example you can't get street or sport tires on the super cars because the super cars already have better tires.
same with puma FE
Well it's a fact, so you're half right...
@@Eat-MyGoal I thought it was pretty fun
I really love the fact that RWD is viable now, it enables so many cars to be fun in rally races. I feel though that FWD is often overlooked. Many of the shortcomings of the drivetrain, mainly understeer are not really problems when the rear wheels have less grip like they do on a gravel surface. B class FWD rally cars are extremely good fun and very competitive. Anyway love the guide, will certainly be putting it to good use.
Not to mention most rwd cars in general seem to be a bit enjoyable to use now. I'm not constantly burning out anymore even with a fast tune. But some still burnout like a pile of tire fires.
B class FWD in general is probably the best fun i've had in this game
RWD cars for offroad or rally are not grippy and fast they always love to slip like there on ice and it sucks thats the case.
Was going to post something similar so I'm glad to see someone else mention it on here
@@nitroxwolf2098 the only reason they aren't grippy is because of people like you who don't know proper throttle control and power tuning so given you said that I'm gonna say that's a you problem because I personally have had 0 issues with some of my RWD rally builds
also since you want to say "RWD cars aren't grippy" I can say the same about FWD builds given most of my B Class rally builds with FWD spin the wheels much more but that's solely because I haven't retuned those cars yet nor have I spent much time doing FWD rally builds but like RWD rally builds that doesn't mean they aren't good
in short it's all down to the driver not the car so again since you said RWD cars suck for rally that shows you just aren't that good at handling it properly not insulting just saying the truth
Since I found someone's comment summarizing the tuning aspect so helpful on your road tune guide, I figure I'll make my own here and maybe I can help someone else like me.
(Troubleshooting in parentheses)
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Front: 50%-80% accel (start at 50% and go up until you notice bad understeer)
~5% decel
Rear: 50%-90% accel (higher typically better to keep power down on both wheels)
~10% decel
Center: 50%-70% increase for oversteer (slightly raising center can be an alternative fix to decreasing front diff)
Closer to 50% = more accel and launch, more understeer
Closer to 70% = more oversteer, less accel and launch
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_More impactful the higher your cars PI ranking is._
Front: Increasing front downforce means more grip, more responsive but decreasing speed (If car is too squirely, decreasing front downforce may help)
(Greatly helps on paved road when doing rally.)
Rear: Increasing rear provides more grip and will spin less at higher speeds in high HP and/or light cars.
(Use if rear aero decreases PI, then decrease aero force in tune)
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Bump: less than 0.5x rebound in front and rear respectively (Keep both front and rear bump as low as it will go, without your car bouncing and constantly losing traction over rough terrain)
(Too high of a spring force will also induce bouncing if your bump is very low.)
Front Rebound: Increase for understeer and more stability
Decrease for oversteer but less stable
Rear Rebound: Increase for oversteer and more responsive
Decrease for understeer and less squirely
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Front Spring Force: Start at stock setting (Increase for understeer and stability)
Rear Spring Force: Start at stock setting (Increase for oversteer and responsiveness)
Ride Height: Typically between 5in-Max height. (Keep as low as possible without bottoming out. After tuning everything else, start at max height and incrementally decrease until you bottom out. Proportionally stiffer front and rears springs will also help from bottoming out if your car is doing so even at max height)
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_Keep both front and rear low to assist all wheel traction as often as possible, but not too low as to not lose traction in sharp corners_
Front: Decrease for oversteer
Rear: Decrease for stability
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(Use your telemetry window to monitor tire temperatures. Ideal temps are an average range of 10°F-15°F with the middle being the hottest and the outside being the coolest.)
Caster: 6.0° to 7.0° (Increasing will improve straight line grip, but reduce steering responsiveness)
(Front camber will be affected by changes in caster, so be sure to account for that)
Camber:
Front Camber: --1.2° to --1.6°
Rear Camber: --0.8° to --1.2°
Toe:
_Toe can typically be increased more for rally and offroad tunes_
Front Toe: 0.0° to 0.3° (Increase for oversteer)
Rear Toe: --0.3° to 0.0° (Decrease for stability)
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Increase or decrease final drive up to the point where your max speed no longer increases.
(To maximize acceleration, while test driving try and find around the speed where your car stops accelerating in any reasonable amount. Say for the sake of example you hit 100mph and your car is only accelerating by 1 mph, every 10 seconds. Even if your theoretical max speed is 150mph, there's no track in the game where you will ever reach that speed. Slowly increase your gear ratio till you find a nice balance between your *practical* top speed, and gearing that you don't have to constantly change too often. This will help keep you in your power band, while not limiting your speed while driving.)
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Front: 16-20psi for offroad/20-25psi for rally (increase for steering responsiveness)
Rear: 16-20psi for offroad/20-25psi for rally
If anyone finds any errors or has any corrections, please feel free to let me know.
Thanks HokiHoshi for your guides!!
Thanks
Good summary! But in the Alignment section you got it wrong. You don't need the middle being the hottest. The inside should be the hottest, followed by the middle, and last the outside
Thanks dude gonna use this ans test it out
many thanks! I'll def try this out
I just don't understand how some rally cars have a default setup with all diff variables maxed (100% on both accel and decel, front and rear), and they drive really well. Doesn't make a lot of sense or does it?
As an apprentice driver and tuner I find this to be a very useful clear and easy to follow instructional video. Many thanks!
Hoki is just hitting all the bases when it comes to helping us all on tuning
Awesome stuff. Just posted a top 2% gauntlet time with my A class TT build, but with this info I'm sure I can get into the 1%. Back to the garage.
Can you give us the share code? I'd love to try it out!
That off-road tire tip was so helpful, my car was a bit too heavy so I swapped the tires and removed some weight. Now it’s a great car
I always like having really long 1st and 2nd gears, then a medium 3rd gear, and very short top gears. This makes it easier to control wheelspin off the line, has good acceleration out of tight corners due to fewer shifts, and always keeps the engine right in the powerband on the straights. This goes for road cars as well as rally.
Plus, it just sounds cool having an 8 speed trans, where the top 5 gears are only like 1-2k rpm difference lol.
You dont have people blowing by you on the striaghts in 6th gear while u bang 5-8 on the straight?
@@mybasshertz1668 In cars with a fast shift speed? Not really, no. Older cars with slower shifts rarely get more than a 6-speed in my tunes anyway.
I have benefited tremendously from your guides and tutorials ... but ... this one takes the cake!! You addressed just about every issue I had struggled with since I began to rally on FH5 (my personal favorite format). Thank you "again" for all you do to aid all of us new drivers in the realm of digital motor racing. I have learned more in last couple of months than one would think possible. Thanks so much for your time and efforts to share you vast knowledge. Cheers my friend, Dave
Incredibly useful! I was wondering how to tune my rally builds today and this was a perfect and eloquent tutorial. Keep up the great vids!
Thank you for this! Was looking for it last week or so, glad to have it!
Thanks for the vid, I'm learning steadily with your videos. I've got a couple of rally cars that just can't handle it, now I know why. Rally is a lot of fun on FH5, I had some fun on FH4 as well. Thanks again.
Great! I was waiting for this guide to improve my rally cars. Thanks!
Hey Hoki, I just started playing Forza Horizon 5 and coming across your channel has been really helpful as I didn’t really understand the tuning system, but after watching your videos, I was able to achieve perfect tunes in most of my builds, took me a while but it was definitely worth it.Thank you so much for helping me understand this difficult topic
Building/tuning and testing a car has become my favorite thing to do on this game and I've been practicing rally builds for the last week or so, this was a greatly time upload. Right on the mark Hoki!
Thank you so much for this guide (and your other ones). I'm new to Horizon and so far I've downloaded all my tunes from the community. I had a lot of fun with them but always wanted to try it out myself. It is daunting though. I was playing on "Above Average" difficulty and on Medium control settings. Especially on dirt I sucked bad. With your guide I did my own tune of the Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution (one of my favourites) and it's amazing! It's so much better if you can fine tune everything and actually know what's behind the tune. Difficulty is up to "Highly Skilled" and driving assists are up to "Hard" as well. Thanks again!
Excellent guide as always! I was able to put together a great rally build for one car before this guide, but had trouble replicating the success on other cars. With the help of this guide I was able to make adjustments to two other cars already, and they feel as good as the first one!
The guides you've made for Horizon 4 and 5 have helped me so much, thank you!
I was literally just looking to find a good guide. Perfect timing. You are such an amazing producer
again an amazing guide , thanks , and great choice regarding the car :)
Been playing forza for years and just recently discovered your channel this is amazing! Feel like I’m listening to chief engineer of a racing team on tuning my cars, love it and Rivals times are way better too. Appreciate your content and definitely subbing
lets goo! i can tune my rally cars to perfection now, thanks hokihoshi!
Love your guides HokiHoshi, keep up the great work! ❤️
BTW, ride height can help a lot with any water portions, a higher ride height slows you down much less
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True and not all water holes are the same depth all the way across. Sometimes there's a shallower section
Thank you for doing this! Very much appreciated 👍🏻👍🏻
Easily the most comprehensive and understandable guides for Forza. Loving it
Havent watched it yet, but I immensely appreciate the amount of detail you put into these videos.
Thank you very much
It's always a good sign when you feel confident commenting about how much you appreciate the detail put into a video purely based on your experiences with previous videos
I just want to thank you. I am not a car guy and have a hard time understanding tuning. You literally made this understandable for me. You earned my subscription. Thanks!
A Hoki a day, keeps the player tunes away.
Bad jokes aside, you really made FH5 much more enjoyable for me than it would have been otherwise. Experimenting with builds are now the reason I play anymore. Keep showing us the goodness, Hoki!
Much needed! Thank you very much! Car drives like a dream!
Thank you so much man! Without your guides I'd get lost in all those options. Let's be honest, in-game descriptions of them are pretty confusing. You put them in a very simple way. You've earned yourself another sub.
Hoshi sensei! Thanks for these builds!
I have been watching your fh5 builds and truly making progress tuning and racing so thanks dear sensei. I personally find 6' front caster angle perfect since I am using keyboard. ARB settings for me are much higher but I will try your recommendation and see how things go
Thank you Hoki
- your guides for both Forza Motorsport and Horizon 5 are exactly what is needed for race nuts like me that want to learn set-ups.
Just wanted to stop by and say a couple things. This guide, along with the upgrade guide and the tuning guide has made me feel like a rally monster. Currently trying to top 1% all the rally courses and these guides have helped me get 8 of them already. Thank you so much for the help. Also, my favorite rally car may be a sleeper, but the 1985 Toyota Sprinter Tureno is a monster. It’s sooo freakin good. If anyone is looking for a rally car that’s not “meta” and is really fun to drive, give it a shot. Promise you won’t regret the choice! Build it out for the A class and watch it shred the courses with ease.
Thank you so much for making this video.
My finger hurts but now due to going through the whole video with lots of pausing I have nearly 4 full pages of notes on rally building in FH5
Good to see someone who knows about tuning as opposed to those 100% accel, 0% decel idiots.
This helped me so much. I'm pretty good at road racing, no trouble with the Pro AI in FH5, but in rally I used to get annihilated. This video helped me build a rally 996 GT3 and oh lord, I can send that thing so hard. Thank you, Hoki.
Btw, look into 911's for rally, they're absolute beasts with rear engine rwd.
Thanks! Very good tutorial!
Finally! Thanks for making this video.
The best guides! I’m currently building my first car with Hoki’s guides (I’m making a 240sx)
Thank you so much for these videos!
Everyone else: chooses sensible rally car
Me: Crown Vic
I used the porsche 911 from barn finds to make my first rally car so... x)
Excellent video as always!
Thanks for sharing these hints & tips!
Just what I was waiting for
Really appreciate these guides - it's making the game more fun to run my own builds.
I can't wait to try some of your tunes! Great video!
Aha the video I have been waiting for!
This is absolutely perfect. I'm working on the rally challenge for the Pulsar for the season and I'm being spoonfed the winning solution
I’ve noticed that Americans have “rally” and “off-road race” compounds as well as “rally suspension” whereas the UK have “off-road” and “off-road race” compounds and “off-road suspension”
Thank you for this 👍
sub and liked, i just started FH5 again after years from FH4, and holy Rally FH5 is more indepth than 4. thanks for documenting and taking your time for shedding light since Rally is a major event in FH5. thank you and appreciate ya!
The best tutorial on your tune builds thanks man much love
This worked lovely
Exactly what I looking for. Thanks.
Thank you for the way you help all of us You're a blessing
Great guide! And thank you for adding the different troubleshooting clips at the end.
Would it be possible for you to create a seperate video for that specifically? Troubleshooting and fixing different problems, with a before and after video? I keep having a hard time figuring out what to adjust, if I should adjust something or if the car just handles that way.
Thank you!
Just wanted to say thanks for making these guides. I watched the main one a few days ago and my tuning has never been better. I've got a 200-line text document of notes from the first one and now a 100-line supplement from this rally-specific one, and yet I don't feel intimidated by either because it's all very straightforward, troubleshooting included.
For those curious about those document line numbers, the spacing is very generous and included in the count, actual numbers may be something like 125-150 and 65, respectively
You are seriously the greatest, thank you so much.
Awesome as always! Really helps alot with this new customizations. Now...Cross Country Guide next? :D
Thank you that front diff tip is all I needed all my rally cars feel like rally cars now :D
Thank you for this video. And your others for that matter. I'm just getting into tuning, want to make it my own instead of someone else's that I download and install. I'll hopefully see you in rivals once I get better as a driver. A lot better. The troubleshooting section was very useful as a complete newbie and I really did like your advice on what to prioritize on the upgrades. Thanks again, time to go make some hilarious mistakes experimenting.
Tysm bro this helped me a lot ❤
Killed it with this video, I can't wait to tune a rally car that I really like. The last one was very helpful, which is why I'm here. It seems like rally builds are easier than road racing.
Great video! Thanks
Thx for awesome tips. My car tune is now very better than before. 👍👍
Just went to top 20k to 325 in rankings, due to this guide. Many thanks! Very easy to understand and so much helpfull
Awesome guide! Helped me win a seasonal event! Subbed!
This video really helped me get my mach E 1400 dialed in for rally thanks man
Thanks! I love driving C and B class rally.
Earned another subscriber, love your videos man.
I was just googling for this stuff!
Great vid
first time im this early wow
love what you're doing man
Best tuning guide on YT.
To make it better, maybe a template for beginner to use.
9 pages(tab of each setting) of base to start with.
Looking forward on guide to tune RWD, OR dry vs wet (on same race track, same component but only change tuning before race)
It's a bit scary how accurate and how much these tutorials help
Thanks for this!!!!!!!
thx awesome guide
I've been using the lotus elise for rally in class A and love it.
Thank god finally! Been working on my BMW from hell on a S1 900 rallye build, but it still has some flaws. Now I hopefully can troubleshoot it better! Thank you very much ❤️
What bmw? The turbo?
@@mybasshertz1668 no, the '06 M3
I was waiting for it haha, best yt channel bro 😂
nice!
Great video! Would love to see some examples on how to tune a street car too!
Thank u!
Good stuff.
Aaah thanks for listening man ❤❤
These guides
Thank you, I was trying so hard to get it not to bottom out in cross country builds that when I finally got them too they sucked at handling lmfaooooo “I must not be doing it right. Sensai HokiHoshi would know how to solve this problem in a heartbeat!”
I remember when I started Horizon 5, trying to get some of the dirt racing accolades was super difficult and the Welcome Pack Lancer-Evo-GX-whatsit was the only car with which I would win dirt races at highly skilled difficulty. Something definitely happened there compared to FH4 and I mostly blamed AI having impossibly handling cars. It was the very first weeks of FH5 being out, otherwise I would have pulled up this guide in an instant. 9 months later, maybe with this guide I can make dirt racing fun again in FH5, although as you said in the tuning guide, tuning might not make that much difference in single player.
Thanks for the great video. You mention checking out your FC RX-7 build. How/where do I do that?
Was really struggling with the dirt/offroad tunes in FH5 until this vid. Literally my first build after this I had a top 1% rivals time in S1 class on dirt...
Heck yeah!
Regarding gearboxes it's also worth spending the extra PI on a race transmission if you have engine swapped or added forced induction since your car's power and torque curves will be different from stock.
Hi Hoki, I have a proposition; in FH4, you made a driving school video. I think many people, including me, would truly appreciate a full driving school series in FH5 as there aren't really that many good ways to learn the theory behind racing in FH5.
Sidenote: Your content is truly amazing and very well appreciated, there is a reason you have such a big following. You deserve it.
I honestly find it useful to keep differentials not so high to take some non-drift turns sometimes and for better handling on paved roads
Thankyou
FWD in rally build is really really good on D-B class tho, and there are some good builds for A too
Rejoice! Hoki has blessed us with more info to defeat the dastardly Off-road AI.
I built a nissan pulsar A800 after watching this and its really good
Perfect. Even thought I used FWD and RWD Rally cars between D-B class. A Class and Up must be AWD for added power and traction issues. I do prefer FWD over RWD in a rally build due to control (I don’t like and will never get into drifting) but with your tips, I can get my tuning down perfectly. With a FWD rally you SHOULD have your rear sway bar set up like a on road car. Stiffer in the rear.
The best part of rally tuned FWD cars is that they still perform relatively well on road courses, pretty solid all around cars
I use a CRX for rally, wheelspin is a heck of an issue all the way up to third but it somehow feels super good offroad anyway!