Why Spin Rate Isn't THAT Important for Pitchers
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- Coaches and athletes are getting so caught up in trying to improve spin rate that we are forgetting why we wanted to change it in the first place. What we actually want to do is create movement that leads to more swings and misses not increase RPMs for the sake of increasing RPMs.
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It doesn't matter if you have a 2600 RPM fastball if it's getting crushed. We have to look at the the ball's entire flight and how it actually moves (and performs in game).
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While Rapsodo can help you understand the spin rate and infer movement with some degree of accuracy, it can only do so much. Trackman measures movement, filling in the gaps that Rapsodo misses with pitch design.
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Stop chasing spin in isolation and look to understand it in the context of movement (induced vertical and horizontal), velocity, approach angle and in game results.
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Video idea: make a video on how to actually use all of our mobility when throwing. I feel like the best pitchers or throwers use all of their mobility when throwing. Like show how to access all your thoaric rotation and extension, scapula mobility etc.
Good idea!
Really praying for Tyler right now. Get well soon. 🙏
Spinrate is not just about movement. Higher spinrates also makes it harder for the hitter to pick up the spin.
I've heard this argument as well. Not sure I'm convinced hitters can see the difference between 2100 and 2500 RPM.
@@treadathletics the point is that as spinrates get higher recognizing spin gets tougher or sometimes even impossible. And to be clear, spinrecognition is in large part subconscious and intuitive. There simply is no time for a conscious proces.
@@treadathletics Furthermore, it not about recognizing spinrate, it's about recognizing spin-direction, which helps pitch recognition.
I’m having an issue of me hunching over to the 3rd base side (I’m a RHP). It’s also causing me to have a lower slot. Any solutions?
Shoot us an email, this is a common issue where guys lose their center of gravity into the toes/quad and it leads to a lower release than they might want. Contact@treadathletics.com
Yo I hope man is okay. He just got nailed.
Same. Hoping to hear more this week.
2023 Season
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Minimum Pitches Thrown (1,000) 45 pitchers
Total pitches 2,703 ± 365
4-seamer pitch usage (%) 48.6 ± 7.1
Vertical Movement (Inches) 15.0 ± 2.8
Horizontal Movement (Inches) 7.7 ± 3.5
slg .447 ± .061
whiff (%) 22.9 ± 4.7
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Pitches Thrown (100-800) 45 pitchers
Total pitches 1,030 ± 355
4-seamer pitch usage (%) 48.5 ± 13.8
Vertical Movement (Inches) 11.5 ± 1.1
Horizontal Movement (Inches) 6.8 ± 2.7
slg .407 ± .105
whiff (%) 25.3 ± 5.4
Less vertical movement avg 11.5 ± 1.1 led to a better performance with a avg SLG of .407± .105 against on his fastball and avg 25.3 ± 5.4 whiff (%)
The 16 and 17u pitchers in my sons program almost all of them achieved 4seam spin rates equivalent to those rates mentioned here using Trackman. Most are maybe D3 quality recruits at best. So what’s the big deal on spin rate? Am I missing something?
Spin Rate is not the end all be all, just provides quantitative information about pitchers paired with induced vertical and horizontal break. Spin as a singular metric is not significant, but how that spin plays based on variables like release height, vertical and horizontal break, vertical approach angle, and many others give spin true value.
@@treadathletics I guess my question was based on my assumption that achieving high spin rates isn’t that difficult if the best in the world are only achieving the same value as above average HS pitchers. Is there a max spin force that can be applied? Because I know that I myself see greater velo when I spin the ball more. Maybe that’s just the influence of effort
What is a good vertical break?
18+ is considered upper range, dependent on release height. 20+ is high vertical break top 20%
From ESPN TODAY:
Spin rate BA SLG
2,800+ .215 .420
2,700-2,799 .211 .398
2,600-2,699 .223 .386
2,500-2,599 .231 .405
2,400-2,499 .246 .439
2,300-2,399 .255 .451
2,200-2,299 .266 .463
2,100-2,100 .279 .478
< 2,100 .298 .509
I see a clear pattern here.
Trevor Bauer is typing......
Common sense, throwing right up the middle = higher ERA.
Spin rate is THAT important cmon now