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**Note** - All of Kipruto's performances from 2018 - 2023 have oficially been taken away. This includes his 10k record of 26:24 on the roads. Because of this change, the new 10k record will go to Berihu Aregawi from Ethiopia who ran a time of 26:33 in 2023.
That’s crazy, I remember when he burst onto the scene
Will he also get the associated prize money? He should!
Where’s the link to the full report?
There have been 270 Kenyans that were barred from competition between 2015 and 2023!!! Their federation should be considered to be banned just like the Russians were....
@TotalRunningProductions, the Record of Kiplimo was achieved on Lisbon
I remember when you covered that specific 10k race back in 2020, quite a few comments pointed that there's no way he was clean. Guess they were indeed insightful fans.
None of them are clean tbh
@@joelmacinnes2391all the Ethiopians, and Kenyans are not clean
They were probably just lucky. I mean 26:33 still stands.
@brianbruno1786 and the Europeans, and Americans, and Ugandans - I don't tend to get worked up about doping though because they're only harming themselves and their results are still the product of very disciplined training
@@joelmacinnes2391 They are NOT just harming themselves - they are harming all the other hard-working runners who they "beat" in the race results.
How many distance runners have been banned for PED related cases these past couple years like jeez, I feel like it’s like at least the 5th one
More than that. At least 40 in Kenya alone.
In one 5 year period 2017-2022, over 200 Kenyans failed drug testing.
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Bio passports are about the only way to bust someone for EPO, since it's half life is about 4 to 5 hours.
I’m gonna tickle you John
Yup. They are legit.
It’s also not a smoking gun. That’s my issue with it. Catch them buying it or someone supplying them with it. Idk but this is far from proving drug use imo
It's incorrect, by now there are easy ways to show the use of EPO, if tested in the right timeframe. However own blood doping is hard to detect and more or less only possible with irregularties in bio passports.
not really, if the cheater is systematically "micro-dosing" 👈 EPO doping in Pro-Cycling is actually the easiest way to get caught
Where there's money, there's corruption.
I'd say that's about 99% accurate.
@@edwardbicker255499.99%
2:38 per km
I don’t think people realise most of us wouldn’t keep up with him if we were on a bike.
It's insane. I tried to run 1500m in this pace (3:57) and I could not stand the last 300m.
They are running around 14 mph or 22.4 khp
I just broke the 8 min barrier for the kilometer on my elliptical. Just about wrecked me. What might be the long term effects of this EPO stuff? If its cheap enough and gave me another 20 years, I might try it. Do they check the over 90's for cheat drugs?
I can do a 3:45 kilometre but it near kills me.
The doping problem in countries like Kenya is enormous.
only Kenya?
I kinda think some of the greats from the late 90’s to early 2000’s were most likely on PED’s
And absolutely in the 1980s
Everyone was and still is.
They still are on PEDs
If they want to catch as many athletes as they can they need to test after every race. It’s the only way to be certain. You can’t do these same test for sprinters and jumpers because they don’t use epo. PEDs will always be ahead of testing due to designer drugs being developed every week.
It's not because athletes are testing clean that they are. Pro sports is ped use. Just how tis
I lost track of all those are banned. Maybe they can have their own Olympic games. :)
they do have the Enhanced Games now, it's a real thing, so they can
I’d be more surprised if anyone was natural to begin with…
@@kovy689 "natural" sounds very unnatural here. Use clean, drug-free, unenhanced, etc.
@@rayflaherty3441 Same difference
@@kovy689 not in English
Guys, if you still think professional athletes, in general, are clean, I have a timeshare I would love to talk to you about.
Edit: if you still think passing drug tests proves athletes are clean, I have a pyramid scheme I’d love to include you in.
I have a better business idea. Basically, I hire you for a small fee that you pay me to join the company, then you recruit other people, get the fee from them, then I get a small cut. We all keep going until I… I mean we all get rich
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A female national champ swimmer just got banned as well. What common folk don't realize is that these athletes get drug tested all the time. It's only when they get clumsy that they fail the test. Most professionals are on a very strict drug program assuring that they will test clean each time. Notice how most top runners haven't been racing much during an Olympic year, yet when they do they are all doing personal bests? It's all by design. It's that gear cycling son
@@dirkjackson8939Do you honestly believe everyone is doping? Unless we have proof, can't just throw wild assumptions like this and think it holds any weight.
@TheWayWithKhuwayne
It's an opinion that being aired. The question is, is it justified belief?
It all became a joke, years ago.
Kenya should face an international ban from competition.
No question.
100% agree every week there’s a new 20 Kenyan top athletes getting banned
@@ayalaharris3092
They were quick to do it to the Russians after the Sochi Olympic scandal.
Most people would have a good idea, as to why Kenya haven't been shown the door 😉
Important distinction: was this organized at national level or was this individuals and their support team. Totally fair to ban a country if national athletics organizations are behind the doping. But not if it's just individuals and their support staff, even if it is many individuals from a country.
@@rasmustorkel9568 What this man said.
@@rasmustorkel9568
The answer to that is both!
The various training camps that the Kenyan Athletes are affiliated with, clearly has a systematic doping problem.
There seems to be a mentality that they are somehow, above the rules.
Thanks a lot for sharing these videos (among others!). It's sad, of course, to see this happen, for the athlete, for Kenya, and for the sport of athletics, but the truth is important and necessary. Thanks!
Total Running Productions, This is amazing! I can't stop smiling!
To me, it's clear that the lack of repercussion for sponsor is a huge factor contributing to doping in sports. The issue is that athletes are highly incentivize financially to dope. If they don't dope, they'll stay mediocre, and never find sponsors. Whereas if they dope, they might or might not be caught (most likely, they'll get away with it). And sponsors close their eyes to doping - if an athlete is caught, they drop him/her and that's it. And if they don't get caught, they have the high visibility they were hoping. Sponsors should be fined too - that'd push them to not close their eyes and even potentially control their athletes too.
Keep it up. Great posts
If proven guilty it is just fair to erase any athlete's official result, title and money prize (personally, as a deterrent, I would go as far as to do it for his/her entire career, not just the time in question); so I'm content that's the case here. Great job reporting cases of cheating, TRP, keep it up!
Kenya, get your act together
What do you mean? You joking right?
You mean get better at cheating like they used to be?
It is one person , not the entire country 🤬
@@ozgal6929 lol keep telling yourself that
Kenya: (sees CZcams comment) okay
Thanks for your reviews. I'm not at all an expert in such analysis myself but I sadly belive of these expert studies, and I really hope that we don't have a lot of "smart" dopingcases we haven't found and in that we are only reaching the top of the iceberg untill now. But I hope it's better than this. Thanks. Best Regards Arne from Norway
First world sanctimony. Given a choice between living on a dollar a day, and doping, pulling yourself and family out of poverty, what would you do?
Depends on how much integrity you have. 🤷🏻♂️
@@cy8685 Good answer.
@@cy8685you can't eat integrity
Time to test Chebet, too?
Since Rio, the 10K record for women has fallen in huge, unbelievable numbers several times.
So sad, but this has been going on for decades, Lasse Viren
Well done to him for quitting alcohol for periods just like that and then restarting whenever "the study' required. Wish more people can follow his example.
Deserves more love!
Thanks for covering these cases alongside the usual race reports. I hate people turning a blind eye to doping cases to focus on more glamorous performances : a good coverage of the sport should include the glamorous side and the shady side. Great job.
My question is, why don't you question Kiptum's marathon world record? For me it was already fishy from his marathon debut in Valencia in December 2022...
Even more fishy is Eliud
You don't investigate people who passed away a few months ago
@@davidg.3337 Why not?
@@RainerWarrior666It's to respect him. Maybe in a few years but why wouldn't the AIU already have shared information on him.
@@Riders241 WHAT evidence do you have against Eliud? Don't accuse him if you have no evidence.
No surprise there. Doping has been wide spread in Kenyan athletics for decades. Kenya has become a preferred destination for training camps. Easy access to PED's and MA's. If you're wondering how Mo Farah turned from nobody to world beater, now you know!
Next time you read about a WR demolished by another Kenyan athlete, you can put an asterisk next to it
Same would probably apply to athletes from countries where doping control is next to non existing: Australia, Jamaica, Russia, China.
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Ooh stop it now since primary school Kenya has talented runners even the under 17's cannot be beaten in athletics by those other athletes
@@ianmuthui7061That’s part of the tragedy. Talented young athletes will be essentially have to take the latest pharmaceuticals to be competitive. These people at the top of their sports who are doping are also very talented athletes.
So a 3rd world country that struggles with health care, has an elaborate doping mechanisms that is eluding 1st world countries from detecting them...go get a life. Percentage of those doping Compared to the other clean professional athletes in Kenya is very negligible. Kenyan athletes need to be educated since most of this runners come imporevished homes with no education and the only way to make it is to do whatever it takes. All these banned substances originate from Europe and America
1 in 10 Billion is pretty much what I'd expect from a WR holder.
High altitude training, will cause a high Hb.
yo! i caught the risk of rain 2 ost in the background, nice!
As a former athlete, who is now disabled , who has never taken drugs I can honestly say , I've suspected this since 2000 + , the human body can achieve so much , but with the will , right coaching , equipment, medial assistance and genetic anomalies which give an natural advantage it can make
Leaps of performance. BUT , there comes a time when those performance gains become smaller and smaller , it's that simple. In my opinion any one who suddenly makes a significant improvement in their sport , is either now getting access to the pre mentioned assets or is using artificial aids. Imagine a runner , does a mile in 10 minutes , the best they've ever done , has an an accident , needs a new ankle , after recovery, consistently does that same mile in 9 minutes 50 seconds. You know that's not right , but what you don't know is the athlete has an experimental ankle in. So do you ban the runner for cheating , allow the runner to continue , suspecting an unfair advantage?? . Suddenly of course lots of athletes start having mysterious accidents requiring ankle surgery , and afterwards their performance improves. Face it we are now at the threshold of human biomechanical alteration.
Africa needs better pharmacists.
Or an anti-doping org that protects their big stars like a certain superpower.
These titles are catching me more and more off guard 😭
Yeah, next title will be
6 YEAR OLD SMASHED USIAN BOLT'S RECORD!!!
@@turnoverbros fr 😭
In today’s world, the guy who can run the fastest without getting caught doping, wins.
This biological passport stuff is pretty legit. Detecting the presence of drugs directly is known to not always be viable but biological passport on the other is far more effective. If any athletes are doping right now, they will be caught in the future.
Amen
No, there's ways to get around it as well. They are all doping
Yep, they not only compete on the track but also in doping.
@@biguzivertthing is, the biological passport tracks changes over time, and athletes are allowed I think two missed tests before the third missed test is a ban.
So for athletes that got into professional athletics since the introduction of the passport, if they have been doping their whole career in a measured and sensible way then they won't flag the test, and for countries with more developed doping programs they can track their athletes to keep them inside the bounds of acceptability.
And even then, they can use more optimal doping strategies in the run up to major competitions and just skip out on the first missed test if they know it will result in a violation.
The reason that we see Kenyan athletes getting busted more than American or European athletes is at least in part because their doping procedures are less sophisticated in terms of making sure that their athletes don't get popped.
It must be frustrating for athletes who don't have good enough medical/scientific help to avoid being caught. Because they for sure will know that many of their competitors are doing the same but with a better method.
Surprised not more get caught.
Just pay Money to hide it
Don't really look at track and road running anymore since Marion Jones,you can never be sure ,it's more important to run for your own health
I just ran a stride at almost that exact pace yesterday. Not crazy fast. Pretty smooth. But for 10k?? LOL I am not even sure that's possible without PEDs.
You can have a hematocrit level high enough for you to be accused of taking EPO without actually having taken anything. While I’m not an athlete, I have gotten a 53% hematocrit level while being fully hydrated.
Still can't believe it 😢
Every sport! I competed in BJJ for many years and the sport is full of it at an amateur level. No money involved, just cred and status!
This is definitely a case of doping. It looks like Kenya has a serious problem with their athletes doping.
No serious problem, just more athletes than any other country in the world
2:22 the dude has the Paramore bars tattoo
Get over the fact that every elite athlete is on something. Watch, enjoy the sport and accept it is not going to change and only the unlucky/stupid ones get caught.
Define “elite” athlete. Everyone at the Olympics? Every pro athlete? Every college athlete?
@@Maryroachguilbeaux the very top of most sports where you see a significant gap between the top x and next guy.
@@Peasant_of_Pontus yeah im just curious cuz im an emerging elite runner and someone told me once that the the only reason I didn’t make the World Championships is because of dopers. Basically a blanket “everyone is cheating at the pro level” argument. And I totally disagree with that, I just think that’s a conspiracy theory.
@@Maryroachguilbeaux Watch the Icarus documentary.
@@Peasant_of_Pontus I think doping probably happens more in certain countries than others but nah I don’t think every person at the Olympics is cheating. Unless that means I’m actually one of the fastest runners in the world at 13:45 in which case I’ll take it 🤣
I think it is time for an in-depth investigation into the performances of all the long distance athletes from Kenya,😮
A statistician here. In evaluating data, we have to consider the chance of two types of errors. That we incorrectly reject a hypothesis and that we incorrectly do not reject a hypothesis. Both types of errors are important to avoid, and both types of errors still occur. The AIC has applied multiple methods how to minimize the potential error in this doping event. My opinion is that keeping sport clean is important, and I see AIC making a huge effort to be fair.
Drug cheat in athletics, never
I wonder how many of those rediculous 80s female records in the 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m would still stand if such rigorious testing was done then🤔😳
Rigorous testing is needed now, especially in certain countries. When you see eyebrow-raising times, especially MULTIPLE fast times, then you KNOW something is up.
So sad, was a huge fan of Rhonix. How disappointing
i guess that only 5% of all top runners are not cheaters
They need to do these cases in biking.
Imo they don't want to do these cases in biking anymore because they fear history will repeat itself.
Pro Track and dope go together like a hand and glove. There is no Pro Track without dope now.
In a system that promises large financial rewards, people are always going to try to figure out a short-cut to the pot of gold.
People cheat even when there's nothing to win apart from a cheap medal. Been lots of stories about amateurs in running and cycling who do everything to cheat from use cars, cut the course, dope, use engines within bike frames .... and it's just a hobby. It's ego, it's the need to pretend you are better than, to show off online, you name it.
The passport has no standard for changes in altitude (Pierre-Edouard Sottas 2008 paper) and hasn't been updated with the science (Holly Cox 2021 paper).
This is a good point and shouuld definitely be accounted for. However, changes in altitude would not be applicable to all athletes. Kenyans literally live at altitude, so significant changes in HCT simply cannot stem from changes in altitude, but rather performance enhancing drugs.
@@maloran98 travelling for multiple races at low altitude in cold places could trigger the passport. I haven't read the report, but EPO use does sound the most likely explanation. They measure the new red blood cell percentage because hematocrit varies with hydration and heat adaptation.
its kind of wild to me that they are suggesting that their doctors asked professional athletes to drink for two weeks
If I'm understanding this whole biological passport thing correctly... wouldn't the correct answer (for cheaters, that is) be to consistently doping from the start of your professional career to the end? So that it appears you just have an incredibly high hemoglobin count naturally but really you are just keeping it very high (but consistently high) through careful EPO dosing?
How do they strip him of his prize money he done spent it on family and lawyers
Once you’re under investigation, they can hold your prize winnings until the conclusion of the case. He never personally received a lot of that prize money.
No one is clean. It’s almost hard to get caught!
So, if this guy was cheating was the guy who came right behind him also cheating?
What about the guys who beat him? Were they cheating?
Are you saying that a guy on EPO was defeated by guys not on EPO, fair and square?
Distance running becoming like bicycle racing. *sigh*😮
The only good thing about this is they took back the prize money, which I haven't heard with any other doping violation. Hopefully it gets redistributed to the deserving parties even though it's a few years late.
How do you take it back I would bet with almost certainty he spent it on lawyers
Spent on lawyers and alcohol
Once an investigation began, any prize money he won was held in escrow until the conclusion of the investigation.
Crazy how the AIU spends multiple annual salaries of a runner on one case
This was my take away. Is it really worth the effort to ban one athlete and get a record expunged that would probably be broken with new tech shoes in the next year anyway.
@@NelleBligh333 Yes, if you want a sport that is halfway legitimate. It's all about deterrence and new athletes will think twice about doping.
Definitely, cheaters need to be out of the sport. @@NelleBligh333
Now, imagine how much people spent chasing down Lance Armstrong only to still have current riders DESTROYING his times and making him and the other 1990s enhanced riders look slow. They’re all surprisingly “asthmatic” these days.
It is important, to protect the reputation of the sport and try to prevent future cheating.
love the cut away videos of the experts in the lab, ha ha
Let's hope we'll see more athletes being caught via Biological Passport 🙏🏽
Good News they caught him!
Does anyone really believe all the top guys aren't doing it though?
Yes
Dreamer. 😅
ATP i believe almost all pros are on something shady
I’m confused about that “high specificity level”… “1 in 100 by chance” stuff!! 1 in 100 seems like a HIGH frequency to me!!! I have a “rare” condition that affects 1 in 5,000 WOMEN but that’s still well over a MILLION women in the world with my same condition! I might be misunderstanding what you are saying the study said, but if 1 in 100 people can produce these same or similar results, then I don’t understand the confidence in their conclusions! I MUST be missing something!!
amstrong was only the tip of the iceberg.....
If we ignore the moral or ethical side of it, it still shows that, physiologically, we can run a lot faster. Makes you wonder how many current world records were made while using PEDs but we just don't know about it.
I've watched a lot (all?) of these doping scandal videos and the last few I watched are making me seriously question the resources going into anti-doping versus the returns. Is it really worth this much effort and resources to ban one guy and expunge his records? What difference does this really make to improving the sport and making it cleaner? Everyone agrees there will always be dopers trying their best to game the system. For every doper caught how many are out there who aren't being caught? I guess WA can claim they are doing their best, but catching a few doesn't make athletics clean.
All I know is El Gerrouj never took anything. At least, this is what I choose to believe!
A lot of track and road records being smashed especially in women’s middle and long-distance events. The question is, how many are not using PEDs?
I never knew alcohol could make u so fast?? George Best must have been supersonic
The report is the EFFECT, ONLY.
What about the CAUSE???
Glad they nailed him but it's likely that many are missed and I find it difficult to watch many running events now without wondering if they are clean.
To think of all the "hate" comments I got when I questioned whether there was even one Kenyon distance runner trying to qualify for the Olympics who could pass a WADA test. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I have no doubt that many middle and long distance runners are using EPO.
The Lance Armstrong of dístance running 😡
Everyone was doping in Lance's time, including his teammates and he still beat his competitors and teammates, therefore he was STILL the best. Can't compare Rhoenix to Lance...
@@bigjoefupa yes Erythropoietin was the choice of both ok. There are other types of doping but for distance athletes the ability to carry more oxygen in the blood is their drug of choice, hence why I said what I said
@@bigjoefupa that is NOT true at all. Australians don't dope so don't put everyone into the same box
@@ozgal6929 ah ok, fair enough. That was one of their many strategies throughout the season
@@ozgal6929 how do you know? Furthermore did any of them place high from 1998 to 2004? When was Australia's first and only win in the tour? 2011? When more than 80% of the top level riders in Lance's era were found to be doing then no one cares what nationality they were. Point is all the top level guys were doping and he still beat them.
What happened to the Boston Marathon Recaop Video
Since the beginning of this year I've suspected that drug screening in track and field is lacking.
This was unfair to the athlete, you cant ban him from a mere speculative study, just so you know he comes from high altitude region ,this people tend to have a high Hb and HCT levels naturally due to scientific reasons, this might change due various reason diet, illness or even alcohol abuse.
Just make a point of confirming the presence of the ban substance or not, do not speculate, the fact that it brought in a lot researchers is suspect,am sure some of them might have had desenting opinions.
Wow more and more day by day so said
They all do it.Just a matter of getting caught.
Should be banned for life. All those cheaters have a significant impact on all honest runners ($ associated to top runners in a race, sponsorships, etc). Unfortunately, also many cheaters in master runners... Really sad
All your favorite athletes would be banned for life
Should just allow everything
Absolutely not. Just because he got caught and the others didn't doesn't mean we don't want to see him run.
If you would ban all athletes that were on PEDs, there would probably be almost noone running 100m in under 10 seconds and the marathon world record would drop several minutes.
Couldn't agree more, just like Flo Jo 100meter world record.
Kenyan again////
Uh oh....
Living in an alternate reality of you don’t think they are all cheating…he just got caught
There's cheating in every professional sports today. Add my favorite sport, football to the list. It goes on and on. I'm not surprised one bit.
makes all the new records suspicious possibly from the past 5 years or so
How is previously received supplemental prize money stripped from an athlete, 10:17?
It’s not, but once an investigation is started any prize money that athlete earns is held back until investigation is concluded. So he didn’t personally receive any prize money for several years.
European pharmacies providing services and expertise in Kenya
Sadly he would've probably won without taking these. However, he'd have needed to change his lifestyle & mindset. Plus he'd win by a smaller margin
Interesting, as far as I know they can measure the chemical version of EPO (I might be wrong) but they still can do blood doping (storing your own blood and administer it later when needed). Alcohol can influence a test to make it appear higher (dehydration) but it's obvious lies, you can't perform like that as a heavy drinker.
As it's very dangerous for your blood getting too high viscosity levels, a simple test should be applied pre-race, excluding you from running if it's too high. If it's from alcohol, EPO or blood transfusion doesn't matter.
This is also what makes the whole story unbelievable, If you have these high levels, random alcohol abuse can be deadly, especially in combination with long runs.
Doping can kill the sport, losing all credibility.
LOL, all the best are using EVERYTHING they can get their hands on..
just allow everybody to use PED, as long as it's not full contact sport.
Not surprised. I think there's widespread ped use in countries like Kenya.But the testing is kinda poor and the national orgs are covering it up.
👀 oh well... he can drink in peace till 2029 shame
Look through the bins at the Kenyan high altitude training camps. Be easier to guess who's not cheating than who is.
A lot of them are doing it,they just don’t get caught
For me what makes this case worse is that he tried so hard to fight it - he has zero remorse from cheating all his fellow competitor's. His consistent cheating should be a life ban - and until this type of punishment is dished out - other athletes will continue to cheat knowing they can miss out a few years and come back to the sport which is an insult to any clean athlete.
Probably would be a democrat, cheating comes naturally to them.
@@phoebus What??? It is the REPUBLICANS who are dishonest, NOT the Democrats, claiming the election was "stolen" when it was not stolen, and presenting fake electors. Don't say such terrible false things.
His fellow competitors are doing it too. He was unlucky to get caught.
@@Peasant_of_Pontus I HOPE you're wrong - I hope many of his fellow competitors are clean and honest - and "everybody's doing it" is NOT an excuse to lie and cheat.
@@cathynewyork7918 If your livelihood and sponsorships depend on being fast you will do what you have to in order to stay at the top.
It’s G6PD, no H needed