Yanbian, The Korea of China
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Yanbian Autonomous Region is a fascinating place. Definitely one of the more unique Chinese regions I've been to. Korean ethnic minorities maintain their traditions here and have done so for hundreds of years.
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We are not North Korean. We are just Korean.
Yeah, I just did that for the title 🤣🤣 I hope you’re not offended!
What is the difference befoe 25 June 1950, the Korean War started ?
You're Joseonjok !!! aka Hwa jon min descent from Ham kyong do !
Well not yet unfortunately since the countries have yet to unite.
@@tjtai913 Korean in this context is an ethnicity, while North Korean and South Korean are nationalities i.e. citizens of North Korea or South Korea, which the Korean Chinese are not.
Ethnic Koreans who live in Jilin province, especially Yanbian autonomous prefecture, are called Joseon-jok while in Chinese Chaoxianzu And the Yanbian Korean ethnic group has the same culture and traditions as the Korean peninsula in celebrating Lunar new year and Chuseok
the 朝 in 朝鲜 means morning,dawn
and 鲜 means in this case the prior one, since Korea is in the east of China and touches the morning light earlier
Innnnnnteresting. I thought it was just the transliteration of Joseon
@@thejamescorwin it is ,but Joseon itself means peaceful place in Korean language and those specific Chinese characters were given as their offical name because of such reasons
@@junweihe8229Interesting. Thanks for the info!
@@thejamescorwin np bruh and also 韩 means big
@@junweihe8229Big country? Hahahaha
4:13 , I'm Chinese Canadian and i once was pointed out by China's assimilation of minority languages, true that's happening, but that's usually because of finding employment which goes back to having association with the larger group. However, I pointed out that Scottish, Irish and most of the Welsh population along with other Celtic groups all speak English, most are unable to speak their ancestral language at all. Why, for obvious reason, after being conquer people also have to find ways to make a living, and the dominant language is English. Whether it's force assimilation or not, at the end of day, everyone have to find a place in the larger society.
Yup, this is a very good point. Especially your wording, “…everyone has to find a place in the larger society.”
I find it really sad that the world’s languages are dying and all becoming increasingly focused on English. Which gives me a sense of frustration when the reason for a dialect dying is because of being disallowed from speaking your own language.
I’m okay with forcing students to learn the common language, as it’s beneficial for everyone, but forbidding the dialect or other language is too far in my opinion.
In this case, it does not seem like the minority group has any pressure not to use their language, so it seems fine to me, especially since their cultural traditions are alive and strong as well.
In the US and Canada same. All native Indians speaks English and hardly retain their local languages. What the government can fo is to find ways to protect these minorities culture .
My wife and I loved our time in Yanji in late July 2023. Great food, friendly people and very clean compared to other cities in China. Will definitely go there again.
4:28 Mandarin to Chinese is like English to Americans. It's just the official language everybody should use. Saying minorities are forced to learn Han's language is just like saying the US Citizens of Mexico origins are forced to learn language of the British.
That’s true, you’re right. Except the difference is people immigrated here and have to learn the language to assimilate. There’s people were already there, speaking their own language, and assimilation was forced upon them
@@thejamescorwin Already where? These places were part of China since centries ago and many of the residents today immigrated to China to escape war on the peninsula. China did not take their land or people unwillingly.
@@thejamescorwin The state of New Mexico used to be part of Spain and then occupied by the US after the Mexican-American war. The local inhabitants were mostly Spaniards who didn't speak English. As a matter of fact, a lot of Latinos nowadays living in the US aren't new immigrants like a lot of people might believe. Their ancestors were already there 150 years ago. Was assimilation forced upon them? And regarding all those native Americans whose culture and language have gone to extinction completely, was assimilation forced upon them?
@@thejamescorwinChina pursues national unity and integration on the basis of maintaining diversity.
@@thejamescorwin Funny, what you described is actually what the European settlers did to the native Americans and Australians, after nearly wiping them out of course, interesting how some Westerners always like to project what they are doing or what their ancestors have done onto others.
just to be clear, Yanbian is always Chinese territory. Korean people were immigrants to Yanbian in late Qing dynasty. Qing emperor was quite unhappy with Korean immigrants according to historical records and he ordered korean king to stop the immigration, but Korea was in chaos and its king couldnt stop korean moving to China for a better life. Hence the situation remains for decades until 1949 when PRC was.founded and porper border control became possible.
Fascinating! Thank you for that. I’ll keep it in mind for a future video.
Many Koreans were forced to move to yanbian by the Japanese rule of the Korean peninsula by 1910. Some moved to Russia. Russia sent a large group to central Asia where they still live today.
this place has saved more korean culture than rest of two korean.Even thoug south korean dont even have korean culture anymore
How the heck does South Korea "not have Korean culture anymore"? What are they then?
@@asurrealistworld4412 a mix of western pop and Chinese cuisines? Like one of their favorite food is malatang (Chinese), tanghulu (Chinese), Zhazhangmian (Chinese), and so forth. Like they don't even use the proper korean word for daily usage. For example for hotels, there is a Korean word for it, but they rather use the English pronunciation "hotel." They got the Korean word for battery and yet they choose to popularize the English pronunciation of battery. They've whitewashed themselves too much. Can't really call them traditional Koreans, yet they want to take the Korean culture as the South Korean culture.
@@nonames098 What Korean culture exactly has South and North Korea lost but China preserved?
@@jamesschoi87 I never mentioned anything about North Korea, only South Korea. Do you guys even wear hanbok during sulnal anymore? Like I've seen my South Korean family photos of my friends and "none" i mean none of them were proud to wear the traditional clothes. On the other hand, when we had our family photo taken, we proudly wore our hanbok. Do you even know what's Patjook (red bean rice ball porridge) anymore when was it the last time you had it? Our kimchi is very traditional, people don't realize kimchi used to be a simple dish with very little ingredients because we were poor. Today, South Korea adds so much ingredients that it's actually very different from the traditional style, not to mention a lot of it being imported from China. LOL. Do you guys even eat 도라지? I mean Koreans even had songs about it. Do you even know 고향의 봄? I learned it at school in China in the 90s. Let's be honest, a lot of the South Koreans are technically embarrassed of their traditional culture. That's why they keep following western lifestyle and trends. Having pride in your own culture is more than a trend, it's value. I think we Josen ethnic people in China have kept it pretty well. We don't try to change our culture to fit international trend or whatsoever, we try to preserve it cause it is who we are.
Fantastic video, very well made. You understand Chinese and Korean culture deeply and provide succinct explanations catered to a western audience. Bravo
Hi thanks for the video!!
Is the language Korean they’re the same as in South Korea? And if it is
is it a big difference?
This video deserves way more than 156 views. Well done.
I’ve kind of given up on expecting views and use comments like this as my motivation 😁 hahahahaha. Thanks so much for taking the time!
Is that lotus root on the McDonald's burger? Well you'll have to try that on video!
It’s one of those seasonal things. I’ll have to get on it when they have em!
“Chaoxian 朝鮮"(Joseon ) 是古代中國地區的名字 (位置在今日韓國半島). 這是由中國皇帝提出的中國地區名字.
歷史記錄中的" Chaoxian peoples" 是指居住在Chaoxian地區的中國人, 和南部土著(白衣民族-今日韓國民族的祖先).
古代Chaoxian歷史記錄是由文言文(和漢字)寫成. 乎合中國語言文法. 這是由Chaoxian地區的中國官方人員負責輯錄 (中國皇帝審查).
Chaoxian歷史記錄的內容主要是當地中國政治和中國人貴族等事跡. 少部份有提及當地土著(白衣民族-今日韓國民族的祖先)的風俗和文化 (幾乎全部都穿白衣服和韓國女人露出她的乳頭被視為光榮).
在大約1900-1930時期. 一部份的白衣民族(今日韓國民族的祖先)逃離中國Chaoxian地區和嘗試進入中國東北地區. 中國皇帝多次趕走這些來自中國Chaoxian地區的白衣民族 (當時韓國女人仍然是穿著韓國傳統服裝和露出乳頭). 但因為當時的中國忙於和歐洲日本等多國進行戰爭. 那些白衣民族一直停留在中國東北地區不願離開(1930年日本入侵中國時期, 大批偷渡難民-白衣民族再一次進入到中國東北城市).
1910年日本成功入侵"中國Chaoxian 地區" 和廢除漢語(包括漢字) . 殺害和趕走當地的中國貴族和中國官方人員. 廢除漢字 . 中國失去了"Chaoxian 地區"的控制權. 日本人意圖和當地土著白衣民族合併. 提升白衣民族的地位. 改用日語和韓語. 推廣白衣民族的文字教育(即韓國文字). 為日後入侵中國做準備.
1949年後. 中國政府給予仍然留在中國境內的的55個少數民族(非漢族人)的人. 都被給予擁有中國居民身份証. 他們成為了"新中國人".
包括難民-白衣民族 (今日韓國人同胞). 中國政府將他們叫作"China's Chaoxian Ethnic朝鮮族 ". 是指來自古代中國朝鮮地區的土著人.
* 當時部份在中國境內的少數民族(包括土著和偷渡者和難民)的没有團體和民族名稱. 所以中國政府按照他們來自中國那個地區而命名.
真實的韓國民族歷史:
1948年. 在聯合國的幫助下. China's Chaoxian 地區的土著人-白衣民族建立假獨立國家"韓國"(同年. 分裂成南和北).
官方文字以韓字和韓語作為官方語言和文字.
"韓國"的軍權由美國來掌握.
Thanks for the info.
interesting, seems like a place to explore for sure!
Awesome explanation
Solid video brother. You're being fair enough. National unity and stability really is very important and the prime priority in China. And its a good thing.
That American assimilation logic doesn't make sense. Basically in America, you are forced to adopt to a new mainstream white euro based culture or be isolated from society. The melting pot certainly doesn't have much asian / south american / african contentinent culture in that melting pot. It's a western euro culture melting pot with white liberal values and takes on culture plus some african american domestic influence. If a Korean american moves to america , he'll be assimilated into something like a white American within 2 generations and could barely speak or understand korean or kroean culture. Whereas Koreans in yanbian are still retaining that culture after 5 - 6 generations much better than your Korean American, actually more than South Koreans who are really westernized korean, their pop culture like music sounds like American music sung in Korean.
Chaoxian culture well preserved in yanbian.
Super cool that North Korea is 朝鲜, while South Korea is just 韓國; my dumb ass always thought it was just 北韓國 lmao. Super cool historically-influenced etymology.
Right?! That was honestly the inspiration for this whole video
As someone born and raised in Yanji, I found it incredibly frustrating to watch this video. The CZcamsr added numerous subjective and political comments, showing a lack of understanding of Chinese Korean culture and history. Yanji is my hometown, but the video failed to capture its true essence, leaving me unable to recognize the place I call home.
Hi there! Can you tell me what specifically bothered you? I thought I was being rather positive about the place. I really enjoyed myself there
@@thejamescorwin
Hi there,
The main reason I didn’t resonate with the content is the extensive political hints and comments, which seemed unnecessary. It feels like you’re creating an unrealistic political atmosphere by making unnecessary points and comments in the video. For example, displaying the national flag is just basic patriotic education that any nation would do. As far as I know, nearly every American household has at least one U.S. flag, sometimes as big as a window cover, and sometimes even flagpoles in the yard. You wouldn’t comment on it as political enforcement, right? Similarly, in Yanji or all of China, we don’t feel politically restricted or suppressed. Being proud of the national flag is a natural feeling, and we are just living our peaceful lives as all other people in free countries do.
The sign outside the church is something nobody would actually read or care about. Using universal common sense to understand that cult practices are illegal is sufficient.
Most of us (Chao Xian Zu) are the 3rd or 4th generations of those who moved from the Korean Peninsula when there was no South or North Korea. Our culture has a deep background and is not randomly influenced by the North or South. Introducing the ethnic group by analyzing the name “Chao Xian” may not be suitable. There was more northern influence until the early 1990s, and from the late 1990s until today, there has been more southern influence.
You mentioned that ‘China has an interesting relationship with its minorities,’ which sounded sarcastic to me. As a minority in China, my experience is very different from what Western media propagates. In fact, the Chinese government puts great effort into supporting and protecting minority cultures and ensuring equality. If you travel around China, it’s not hard to see that there is no discrimination against minorities, which cannot be achieved without government efforts.
I was born in the 1980s and did my primary and secondary schooling in a state-funded Korean school. All the teaching materials were translated into Korean, our university entry exam (Gao Kao) was translated into Korean, and we were given extra points (usually 5-25 points depending on the ethnic group) to get a better chance of higher education.
I know recent policies have changed a lot, implementing more Sinicization for minorities. But it appears to me that the government has realized that, unfortunately, to many people, the parents’ quietly and diligently cooked nutritious soup is not as attractive as Uncle Sam’s sugary-coated lollies. The neighbor’s flashy but unsubstantial ideology sounds better than the parents’ earnest words. Effective communication needs unification.
Lastly, if you travel to China, you should know that most (99%) Chinese do not eat dogs. You specifically mentioned Guilin in the video. While I can’t say it’s not real, it is a minimal case in China. What I don’t like is making individual or small-scale phenomena seem like the prevalent culture of the place. As a Chinese person living overseas, I am really tired of the “Chinese eating dog” topic.
In the end, I still want to thank you for taking the time to travel to Yanji and appreciate the place.
@@mingli7151 Well written and well said. Agreed with your points 100%.
@@pefsgk5092 Thank you 🙏
Suibscribed. I love this channel.
You’re the best! Thank you!
Amazing, while the minority actually has a country outside of China. Of course, the other major group is the Mongolian. Interestingly there is a Russian minority in the north, whom I saw in a few CZcams videos. Minorities all over the world, no matter in which country, always face the threat of assimilation by the majority.
Don't most of the minorities in the US or the West have their own country too ?
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You don't understand the history here. China and all China trading partners back then use Chinese character to communicate. Even in south Korea historical places, you can see many Chinese character.
Even within China , they don't speak the same language but they use the same system.
China is also a very secular state. People are not allowed to practice religious activity in public. Still you can see a lot of mosjid every corner.
Its my city….❤
you would be wrong. they mostly came over to China as refugees after 1900s after Japan annexed Korea, not hundreds of years. More migrations happened after 1931 after Japan invaded and occupied Manchuria. It is not like Israel / Palestine.
Sure, but the ones who were there originally were there for much longer. I didn’t say no one has migrated there and the pooulation has been constant forever…
6:55 do you have evidence?
抖音有个本地功能，如果你的ip是当地，应该推送的都是当地语言。
例如我是广东人，当我打开抖音，就会推送我本地语言的视频，还不是标准“粤语”那种，而是我本地的方言。
I don’t, 是别人跟我说过 你没错会推送给当地的，但是我以前做潮汕话的抖音视频然后一个MCN的老板说不要做英文或方言的视频因为会被限流 不太清楚是不是这样子。有可能是因为人群比较小
@@thejamescorwin 如果你做潮汕话，当然会“限流”啊，中国99.9%的人都听不懂潮汕话。。。如果你是一个美国人，CZcams一般也不会推中文视频给你，道理一样。
韓國民族祖先是半島最南端的土著. 在歷史上被稱為"白衣民族". 他們說土著語言(韓語). 没有文字. 没有錢幣(交換物品為生).韓國女人結婚後會露出乳頭. 女人用她們的頭來運送東西. 古代韓國人全部都是穿白衣(没有任何圖案和染料). 這也是韓國民族祖先用來分別非韓國民族的身份(朝鮮當地中國人不穿不染色白衣. 除了葬禮). 這點非常肯定.
高句麗是中國人建立的北方地區的中國政權之一, "朱蒙" "李成桂", "王建"是中國名字和併音. 他們自稱中國人.
百濟. 新羅(原名: 唐國新羅). 高麗. 李氏朝鮮...........也是中國人建立的地區政權. 都是中國管轄範圍.
朝鮮半島上的皇室貴族們和平民是中國人和后代(出生在半島). 由高麗時期統一朝鮮半島時期開始. 將南端土著人口一起併入, 高麗時期的平民奴隸是土著韓國人(這時期日本開始入侵中國朝鮮半島. 朝鮮半島成為了中日戰爭, 半島環境更為惡劣. 當地大部份中國人離開朝鮮回到中國其他城市生活. 只留下少部份必要官員和家族成員留守在朝鮮半島維持中國地區政權和抗衡日本入侵) .
百濟. 新羅. 王氏高麗. 李氏朝鮮..... 他們都是中國人, 國王貴族們都是精通中國語言. 他們穿著漢服和使用中國文字.
他們的國王貴族們能和中國人溝通無阻. 長期和中國人往來. 使用中國語言和文字是代表身份尊貴. (他們使用中國人姓名. 中國管治方式.
穿著中國衣服. 認為中國皇帝為父母. ).
他們使用了各種方法限制階級流動性，避免其他人上升成為「貴族」.
高麗時期, 當地以土著為主的人民和奴隸(韓國人)是禁止使用和學習中國文字. 這些人使用土語韓國語言. 没有文字(直到15世紀). 幾乎都是文盲(直到1910年日本全面發展該地區推行韓字教育).
"韓國文字" 的創造者. 是一個能說流利中國語言和對漢字有深刻理解的中國人. . 利用分解漢字的方法. 當地土著韓國人的語言. 創作出可以讓說韓國言言的土著韓國人. 能夠使用的符號"韓字". 一直到了1895. 中國陷入外國入侵的戰爭中. 中國失去對李氏朝鮮的控制和保護權.
2000多年來朝鮮半島一直是中國領土和地方政權. 官方語言和文字也是中文.
1900. 日本侵佔朝鮮半島. 日本人廢除了中國語言和漢字. 土著語言的韓國語言和文字(15世紀發明)才開始在半島上流行.
1950年. 半島透過聯合國幫助下. 成為一個獨立國家(南北韓國), 以韓國民族為主導的. 官語是韓語和韓字, 也就只有70年歷史.
I want to go there
Sounds like you don't know too much about ethnic minorities, culture and history in China. You sound like you take the headlines of the western mainstream media and use it for your own political purposes.
Try me. What did I say that sounds like western mainstream media headlines? Considering all western mainstream media relating to China is fear mongering, I can’t imagine what I said that made you feel that way.
My home
老乡？
@@ZergioKim 泪汪汪啊
and also CCP members are not allowed to be religious,at least openly
not just Christianity but all religions, are not allowed
Yeah? I thought they just had to be communist first
i don't think so , in china all religions its allowable ,for instance in china there are more churches and cathedrals than Spain , Frances and uk combined .......
Party members are required to be atheist@@starlights006
@@thejamescorwinwell if u are only a member but don't hold public position, u r probably fine, because nobody will care, but if u are a civil servant and a member of cpc, u can't practice in any religious activities. but for the minorities, one can claims they are not attending a religious activitie but a culture event. like in xingjiang a CPC official can still celebrate eid, because it's not only a religious activitie but also a culture event.
Don't use the news you hear to confirm that this is the truth.
*USUAL WH!!EWESTERN TRASH FROM THE USUAL WH!!EWESTERN TRASH.*
Today Korean Ethnic ancestors are the southernmost indigenous people in the ancient korean peninsula (Chaoxian Peninsula朝鮮半島 , Real historical name - Chinese territory before 1910)It is known as "white clothes Ethnic白衣民族" in history. They speak Korean language. There is no characters. There is no coin (exchange items).
In history, Korean women clothes (Hanbok) will show nipples after marriage. Women use their heads to transport things. The ancient Koreans were 95% wearing white (without any patterns and dyes). This is also the identity of the Korean ethnic's ancestors as "white clothes Ethnic白衣民族" to be used by non -Korean ethnic (ancient Chinese do not wear white clothes, except funeral). This is very certain.
Goguryeo 高句麗 is one of the Chinese regimes of the northern region established by the Chinese . Baekje 百濟, Silla 新羅. (formerly known as: China Tang Silla 唐新羅. ).... It is also a regional regime established by the Chinese.Their kings and nobles are proficient in Chinese language. They use Chinese characters.
Wong's Goryeo王氏高麗, li' Joseon李氏朝鮮 ... .....
Their royal nobles are not the same ethnic group with Pingmin slave. The royal nobles are Chinese and descendants (born on the peninsula). Civilian slaves are indigenous Koreans.
Their king and nobles can communicate with the Chinese. Long -term exchanges with the Chinese. Using Chinese language and text represents noble identity. (They use the name of the Chinese . Chinese governance method. They wearing Chinese clothes. Chinese emperor is a parent.).
They used various methods to limit class mobility to avoid others (koreans) from becoming "nobles".
Their people and slaves (white clothes Ethnic白衣民族) are prohibited and learned Chinese language and Chinese characters. These people use Korean language. There is no characters (until the 15th century). Almost all are illiterate.
The creator of "Korean characters" (諺文real history name). It is ancient Chinese people (royal nobles and scholars in peninsula) who can speak fluent Chinese language and deep understanding of Chinese characters漢字 and classic Chinese文言文 .
Use the method of decomposing Chinese characters. Mixed Koreans' language. Creation makes indigenous Koreans who speak Korean. The symbol "Korean characters"(諺文real history name) that Korean can be used.
For more than 2000 years, the Korean Peninsula has been Chinese territorial and local regimes. Official languages and texts are also Chinese languages and Chinese characters漢字(classic Chinese文言文) .
1910. Japanese occupation of the Korea Peninsula (Chaoxian Peninsula朝鮮半島 , Real historical name - Chinese territory before 1910). The Japanese abolished Chinese characters. Korean language and characters (invention of the 15th century) of indigenous language began to popularize on the Korea Peninsula ( Chaoxian Peninsula朝鮮半島 ) .
1950. With the help of the USA. Become an independent country (North and South Korea), dominated by the Korean ethnic (white clothes Ethnic白衣民族). The official language is Korean language and Korean characters, which is only 70 years of history.
It would be great if you’d discussed how this region was illegally annexed to China by Japan; how the ancestors of these Koreans fought against Japanese imperialists and inspired the relatively naive Chinese nations to resist Japanese occupation; where the high number of Korean collaborators (who hunted down Korean independence fighters) fled after liberation; who controls the current South Korean media; the origins of South Korean conglomerates; and most importantly, whether the ‘nationalism’ you mentioned in the video is genuine or a façade and why, and the balance of power between the US, China, Russia, and Japan. The situation is more complicated than it seems (unlike Tibet or Uyghur). I know Korea’s contemporary history is a ‘joke’, and without this context, the discussion only scratches the surface. Thanks for the video, though.
This would definitely make a very interesting video, but I don’t know that I’m currently qualified to present it. I don’t know enough about it. I’ll definitely add to the list and work on it! Stay tuned!
Last but not least, how the Chinese government broke its original promise to these Korean people by gradually shrinking the region and altering language policies to enforce cultural assimilation, whilst the South Korean government remains indifferent without surprise, and the North Korean government is solely focused on nuclear testing...
Wrong. Joseon is just the old name for the Korean Empire. So it doesn’t apply to just North Korea.
That’s still where the Chinese language gets the name from