Why Loopmakers Are Ruining Beatmaking

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  • čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
  • Apparently I hate loopmakers, in spite of being a long-time creator of loops and samples. However, many new loopmakers are lying, stealing samples and creating potential career-ending legal trouble for many beatmakers.
    Here is how they're doing it and why it's a problem.
    #sellingbeatsonline #beatstars #beatselling #2023 #howtosellbeats
    00:00 - Intro
    00:23 - My Controversial Tweet
    02:48 - Producers Getting Angry At Me
    03:37 - I Am a Loopmaker
    05:44 - Loopmakers Are Out For Fast Money
    07:43 - How Loopmakers Steal
    09:38 - Stolen Illmind Loop
    10:50 - Stolen Uncleared Samples
    13:37 - Gunna's Producer Goes Off on Loopmakers
    15:19 - These Loops Will Ruin Your Career
    18:49 - Loopmakers Are LYING
    Selling beats online 2023
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  • @DJPain1
    @DJPain1  Před rokem +42

    Collab on a beat with me: bsta.rs/227bd24

    • @HOLLASOUNDS
      @HOLLASOUNDS Před rokem +2

      Hey Pain, I have the same Yeti mic as you. Turn down the gain by about 10% to remove audio distortion.

    • @chrisbaker7858
      @chrisbaker7858 Před rokem +1

      Alright here we go..."boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap" Totally original and it's definitely not stolen from from Queens "rock you" song...I want 100% of the proceeds if we collab! Lol

    • @HOLLASOUNDS
      @HOLLASOUNDS Před rokem +4

      @@chrisbaker7858 No because Boombap is not Boom Boop, Clap, Boom Boom Clap. Boombap is Boom Clap, Boom, Boom Clap, Boom, Clap Boom Boom, Boom, Clap.

    • @discowolf25
      @discowolf25 Před rokem +3

      @@HOLLASOUNDS 😂😂😂😂

    • @theoutabodies5653
      @theoutabodies5653 Před rokem +2

      I agree, I come from the Dilla era where we dig for obscure samples. We know how to dig for samples and research the artist and start to understand the musics. Like Dilla the more listen. The more you start to understand music and be able to play from ear and feeling Then again a lot of us who grew up in the 70’s with fathers and uncles that had recorded collections. I learned from Dj spinna ,jlive large professor. A lot of us so many obscure sample we trade records like comic books.

  • @ProdByAuzi
    @ProdByAuzi Před rokem +277

    "As if having longevity in this game is like an insult" this is big facts, modern hiphop does not respect this 😂

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +46

      Modern bitchassness doesn’t lol

    • @Teimo
      @Teimo Před rokem +5

      Yea bro just look at Eminem lol.

    • @ExeErdna
      @ExeErdna Před rokem +8

      Basically they want try to make 30mil off of one album then retire. I mean I get it yet that's also why nobody respects them.

    • @satoshislim863
      @satoshislim863 Před rokem +4

      My favorite line of the whole video and I loved the whole video. Nothing but (fact) checks and receipts.

    • @MrC.M.B.
      @MrC.M.B. Před rokem +5

      New dudes are weirdos and don' understand the game

  • @beatsbybigjoe6222
    @beatsbybigjoe6222 Před rokem +79

    I am crying 🤣. How anyone can think sending loops of other people's work is okay and then DEMANDING compensation is okay is craaaaazy.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +9

      Read the comments dude people love this shit

    • @joeydinero9300
      @joeydinero9300 Před rokem +1

      ​@@DJPain1 I hope you're not disagreeing but merley pointing out the reality of it. Because as you said, them using a sample of other people's work then wanting compensation for the beat should not even be legal tbh. Lol

  • @broussardbeats
    @broussardbeats Před rokem +156

    You can't get mad at producers for speaking up about this issue. It almost makes you look guilty of doing what they are warning other producers about.

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky Před rokem +13

      People get defensive when they believe you're spreading misinformation for "clout," or exaggerating statistics to push an agenda. "That doesn't happen" is the common response to a lot of different social issues in our world.

    • @scoobertmcruppert2915
      @scoobertmcruppert2915 Před rokem +4

      @@crnkmnky And it’s usually people who do those things saying it doesn’t happen, both with irrelevant things and social issues.

    • @prod.bylvwlee
      @prod.bylvwlee Před 10 měsíci

      Exactly what i thought

  • @UncleBlaiden
    @UncleBlaiden Před rokem +239

    I think the issue on a grander scale is just how parasitic the music production community is compared to 90% of other creative hobby communities. It’s unfortunate, but music production gigs are infinitely harder to score than, for example, 3D animation or even video editing. As a result, really scummy scams like this are way more abundant. There’s also the “old head vs new head” civil war bs in the community because 14 year olds with access to Bandlab on their school issued Google chromebooks have the ego to convince themselves they know better than their teachers.

    • @mgmthegrand
      @mgmthegrand Před rokem +10

      Couldn't have said it better myself, esp abt these young ones...👌🏾

    • @JohnemonSilver
      @JohnemonSilver Před rokem +9

      as someone who is on the younger side of the scene and industry, yeah most of my peers are either doing the work and making most everything from scratch or stealing samples and claiming they're working with the best. it's really toxic and annoying especially with how rude they are. though we're not all bad it feels like the art community as a whole is more focused on milking each other for money rather than sharing the craft

    • @krhodessch
      @krhodessch Před rokem +7

      There is definitely a line that has been crossed. Don't be lazy. If someone wants to be in the music business, then first learn music. Then you can be creative. We are all influenced by someone....but ther is a huge difference in being influenced or inspired by a piece of work and just straight up stealing it.....

    • @OfficiallyMaidenless
      @OfficiallyMaidenless Před rokem +3

      Realistically I hear about people stealing visual art WAY more often than in music

    • @flackodabaptist
      @flackodabaptist Před rokem +2

      I’m not even going to lie some of these teen producers be making bangers lmao

  • @Dillygotitbumpin
    @Dillygotitbumpin Před rokem +37

    Great video bro! These scammers are easy to spot in my opinion, only the real honest musicians are going to stick around long term.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +3

      True, it’ll clear up eventually, it’s just flooded now

    • @Dillygotitbumpin
      @Dillygotitbumpin Před rokem +3

      @@DJPain1 Facts and I don't blame you for being annoyed, it's annoying af

    • @selfishbeats
      @selfishbeats Před rokem +1

      even if they're sending samples for free, if they can't show a cover for the pack , a website, Branded IG etc, no reason to trust it.

  • @drenolynbeats
    @drenolynbeats Před rokem +151

    One of the most solid down to earth producers in the game… y’all better pay attention to this man!

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +11

      Appreciate that 🙏🏽

    • @DWF_GRIND
      @DWF_GRIND Před rokem +2

      yus siiiiiiir;)

    • @dimeandbiggie353
      @dimeandbiggie353 Před rokem +1

      Man forget this guy

    • @drenolynbeats
      @drenolynbeats Před rokem +1

      @@dimeandbiggie353 why bro…why?

    • @dimeandbiggie353
      @dimeandbiggie353 Před rokem

      @@drenolynbeats he a big hater. Nigga we gettin bread and he dont like it. He wanna hog all da placements. We all can eat u dont gotta be da head because u cant be the head anyway. U aint runnin nunn my boy

  • @Mac.Eunique
    @Mac.Eunique Před rokem +60

    This needed to be said a million times over! I’ve bought too many loop packs from IG loopmakers who just repackage other peoples music and you don’t find out until you open the folder and listen to the files. It’s frustrating and backhanded. And it needs to be called out more!

    • @dvnito3890
      @dvnito3890 Před rokem +3

      WHO. you have to call the names out. otherwise its completely useless. who is doing that?

    • @Mac.Eunique
      @Mac.Eunique Před rokem +3

      @@dvnito3890 I don’t have time to search names…I don’t keep a log of scammers. It happens all the time especially with these social media loopmakers.

    • @liquidmetalslime9
      @liquidmetalslime9 Před rokem +9

      I mean this with all sincerity, I'm not trying to talk down to you or anyone else or put anyone down. I'm genuinely am looking for understanding and an explanation.
      Help me understand the appeal of buying premade loops put together by other people. Not just premade, but specifically made for the purpose of helping people make beats?
      As someone who still digs for samples using vinyl, hits records stores, thrift shops and garage sales to find obscure sounds (not Michael Jackson and Prince) it just seems puzzling to me that people are willing to pay for the same premade sounds everyone else has access to.
      I make boom bap, lofi hip hop, and part of the fun is finding your own loops in songs or media that wasn't intended to be looped, or finding chops or just dope unique sounds you can use that everyone else doesn't have access to.
      I'm not saying it has to be done with just records, everyone doesn't have access to records, but you can use CZcams, or even a blue ray, the TV..real life sounds... ANYTHING, that's the fun of sampling. It's turning those sounds and rhythms that weren't meant for hip hop, or house, or edm or whatever type of music you make.. turning those sounds into your own.
      I don't understand these loop packs, and I'm looking for someone to explain what I'm missing, how they are used and why they are a tool that shouldn't be overlooked. It just seems odd to me. Can someone explain how my view is misguided.

    • @dvnito3890
      @dvnito3890 Před rokem

      @@liquidmetalslime9 ok i will introduce you.
      a loop pack is basically the same like a old vinyl record collection. the only difference is that a loop pack is made from composers/producers FOR other producers. and thats it. some a free for non profit some come with a little price.
      its about collabing on songs together. its a way to get exposure. bigger producers looking up loop packs of unkown talented composer to work with them. its inspiration. this is nothing new basiacally its just a way of collaborating and its a way to make easy songs. back then you had to clear the old samples which was super expensive and with a lot stress. with these "new" sample packs its way easyier to handle this
      instead of digging for HOURS, you just look up one of your favorite sample makers and buy one of the loop packs from them... no chopping, no arranging, no stress with the clearing.
      the world of sample packs is still pretty new and there is a ton of packs and very talented people out there and its worth to dig into this world, trust me.
      one of the first sample makers are frank dukes. he had this idea to put out his own packs of samples into the internet. look him up

    • @_dillon_7489
      @_dillon_7489 Před rokem +11

      @@liquidmetalslime9 @Liquid Metal Slime#9 It takes way less time to throw a beat together using samples when you have immediate access to the bpm and key, and without having to think about what effects to use, what parts to sample and so on. It seems to me as well that lots of ppl in the online rap producer game like to chase the most palatable and current sounds in this oversaturated fast-paced industry, so having a bunch of curated samples at your fingertips can really streamline that process. Someone who is trying to work with as many artists as possible to secure a placement and build a reputation out of an ocean of identical artists is solely focused on calculated output rather than a creative process. Just a side note, but man I didn’t know how fucked this was until I watched some video last year of this dude Taz Taylor from ‘Internet Money’ producing for Lil Yachty. All bro did was drag and drop a couple files and he basically had a whole lame ass beat ready like five minutes after he arrived lmao. The guy has assembled a whole squad of henchmen to make beats while he smokes and pretends, he’s Rick Rubin.
      I’m going to take somewhat of a shot in the dark here, but from what I’ve seen/heard, it seems like loop packs primarily serve a younger generation in contemporary hip hop that has inflated exponentially through the ease of access and entry that the internet provides to everyone regardless of musical ability/passion or lack thereof. Lots of ppl nowadays have this overwhelming desire to pursue fame and wealth through the easiest/quickest avenues possible and hip hop being one of the most popular and accessible genres attracts a shit ton of folks who just want to grind and maybe get rich in the process.
      I think that the loop pack industry has sprouted from the crazy demand for quick results in songwriting and production to try and keep up with the manic social media/music industry landscape where it can be incredibly difficult for artists nowadays, (especially generic ones) to grow if they’re not releasing new stuff constantly and spamming the algorithms and methods.
      imo

  • @sovereigncosmicwildman
    @sovereigncosmicwildman Před rokem +28

    This is why I'm leaning towards only making my loops from stock sounds from my DAW, I've come up with some extraterrestrial heat

    • @SimonePhoenix
      @SimonePhoenix Před rokem +4

      May YOU receive all the success this world affords, wishing you the very best. Respect. 👊🏽

    • @pwabd2784
      @pwabd2784 Před rokem +4

      This is wild to me as someone who makes music that people are just tossing a bunch of samples together when I'm designing patches on my synths and recording shit with a field recorder. Wtf are people doing?

  • @prod.dailydailydaily
    @prod.dailydailydaily Před rokem +28

    I 100% agree and it's difficult for composers that create music to get sampled + discovered because of this issue. Making compositions take so much time, countless hours of music theory, and sleepless nights. Still love the whole process of recording with different gear and effects. Good things take time.

  • @Phizicist
    @Phizicist Před rokem +13

    Bruh, people tryna defend lying, stealing - thanks for this - as a sample maker - these "loopmakers" are taking these loops and fronting it as their own REALLY fucks me over.
    Y'all have no shame. Big ups for this bruv.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +3

      Same bro, same. We gotta do something.

    • @latenitephreak
      @latenitephreak Před rokem

      All music comes from God technically nobody creates anything we are just the angels/instruments of co creation

  • @bharumusic
    @bharumusic Před rokem +34

    Imma use this video the next time someone sends me a sample pack with samples that aren’t theirs, or better yet when the court case happens and they still don’t get it lol thank you again Pain for helping & educating the producer community 🙏🏾

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +7

      Yeah when those legal repercussions hit, suddenly they’ll be concerned

    • @MattCupan
      @MattCupan Před rokem +3

      If a producer makes a sample pack, can't they just sell them on CD? Or find an artist to make a beat for? What kind of beatmaker buys another diggers' finds? Haven't they learned anything from the 80s/90s? Or do they even care?

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +6

      @@MattCupan well there are diggers who sell to producers, but they both know exactly what the situation is, one party isn’t claiming ownership of the samples

    • @crnkmnky
      @crnkmnky Před rokem +5

      I just watched a video called "Beware of Stolen Sound Effects Packs." It appears that filmmakers are also being scammed by fake "royalty-free" libraries.
      One of the sellers named in the video replied that the stolen sounds were compiled by a sub-contractor, and apologized.

    • @bharumusic
      @bharumusic Před rokem +1

      @@crnkmnky wow 😮 first I’ve ever heard of this, crazy!!

  • @stiptreezy8481
    @stiptreezy8481 Před rokem +10

    Appreciate you looking out and sharing the info! If people are getting mad at the truth it’s usually cuz they know they are guilty or misinformed.

  • @SaintThomas13
    @SaintThomas13 Před rokem +9

    Much love for setting things straight... This info is actually very very needed to hear for all others who want to get into music. Maybe there's many who still don't know how this is suppose to work... 👏

  • @WILLBEATSONYT
    @WILLBEATSONYT Před rokem +15

    You are SO right. I loved this video. I see SO many people giving away these sample packs for royaltie splits. Once i actually made a sick beat using a nice sample, i never uploaded it purely out of respect for the owners of the song.

  • @superhobo500
    @superhobo500 Před rokem +14

    The producers acting like this isn't a problem are definitely doing it

  • @MrDifferentTV1
    @MrDifferentTV1 Před rokem +9

    Bro welcome to the internet your just fighting with people who wont put in the work. They still going to fight with you if it's the facts or cap. Keep doing you DJ Pain

  • @Thad_D
    @Thad_D Před rokem +10

    Thank you for keeping it real and sharing your experience. People be killing them damn loops acting like they really created something. It takes a good ear to throw effects on something but yo it's almost like stealing. The artist might as well be looping up the lyrics too.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +6

      I mean throw effects on a loop and make a beat with it, but don’t claim you made it and send it out to others, that’s definitely stealing

  • @Kenan99_
    @Kenan99_ Před rokem +26

    thanks man i just started producing and ive been going the route of coming up with my own melodies and flipping samples. you gave good advice that young people need to hear that just started. I dont see myself using loops unless im just practicing bc I still suck lol. I either use VSTs or one shots to create sounds.

    • @MattCupan
      @MattCupan Před rokem +1

      Have you tried any instruments and different microphone setups?

  • @forbroketravelerslikeme4060

    This is why I’m so scared of using beats by random “producers “

  • @ONETWIZE
    @ONETWIZE Před rokem +5

    Thank you! Very on point video! Sad its all about fast money now and not about the real art of music....

  • @bijonroberts6015
    @bijonroberts6015 Před rokem +3

    Since following your page, i've only been enlightened on the industry and have learnt an immense amount of knowledge that i apply to my own production. Thank you for the content that you put out.

  • @jasoncdublin
    @jasoncdublin Před rokem

    Watched this whole video waiting for you to bring up digging in the crates. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

  • @stasprze1685
    @stasprze1685 Před rokem +8

    I came here, thinking this will be a roast on sampling and loops, But now that I finished watching the video, I completely agree with you. As a producer who is just starting out this is invaluable information, so thank you very much.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +2

      Thank you for watching

  • @TimmyMadeThis
    @TimmyMadeThis Před rokem +15

    You spoke nothing but facts 💯

  • @poppawatt
    @poppawatt Před rokem +8

    That's why I buy all my packs from Cymatics, if I get a placement I'm cool. I know not to re-package their samples for my own monetary gain. Great insight DJ Pain and thanks for proving what's really happening.

  • @majortunesmusic9622
    @majortunesmusic9622 Před rokem +6

    Well said Pain! Response was clear,calm,respectful and referenced💯

  • @sephirothbeats
    @sephirothbeats Před rokem +3

    Thank you for sharing. I always show the trackout of my loopkit/samples. That is at least a solid proof.

  • @jloiben12
    @jloiben12 Před rokem +73

    There is really no excuse for not crate digging today. It has literally never been any easier. All you need is a computer. You don’t need a turntable and a sampler. You don’t need to go anywhere to get “crates” to dig in. You can literally go searching for works to sample from bed. In fact, it is even easier. With technology today you can also isolate the specific instruments you want FAR easier then ever before

    • @DJHYDEHEART
      @DJHYDEHEART Před rokem +4

      That's true. There's literally no excuse.

    • @Teimo
      @Teimo Před rokem +3

      Fr man I accept and embrace the blessing someone like me has for being born around this time when it comes to music production.

    • @BrandonAdams1010
      @BrandonAdams1010 Před rokem +5

      wouldn't the whole sample clearance issue be a good excuse for not crate digging?

    • @jloiben12
      @jloiben12 Před rokem +1

      @@BrandonAdams1010
      Maybe if you don’t use a platform like Tracklib (or if you don’t have a label you can pawn that off to) would that be an issue

    • @DJHYDEHEART
      @DJHYDEHEART Před rokem +9

      @@BrandonAdams1010 I don't think the issue is clearing samples. You get around to that when the label feels like they can put money into you and if it's enough to clear one or two samples or whatever, then you cross that bridge when you get to it.
      I think the issue that DJ Pain 1 is talking about is claiming that the sample is your own and trying to make money off of that. If you're gonna sample something, just know ahead of time what you're getting into before doing so.

  • @3flipinniggas
    @3flipinniggas Před rokem +2

    facts big homie! shits sad these days and they all feed into it so heavy the second you have your opinion you the "hater" or "you played out" smh keep doing you g

  • @stevecolley7745
    @stevecolley7745 Před rokem

    Brilliant video! Thank's for the heads up I didn't know this was happening.

  • @axmirmusic
    @axmirmusic Před rokem +16

    If no one has it set it before, thank you DJ Pain 1 for doing what you do and giving out information to those that really want to learn the business and what to look out for. Stay blessed bro!

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +4

      Appreciate that energy

  • @Locsta_Beats
    @Locsta_Beats Před rokem +9

    That's why I make my own compositions, take my stems to create loops to repurpose... I have only begun using Splice and Arcade to show the "supposed producers" they are only ARRANGERS slapping loops together and a lot of loop makers are stealing loops and reselling them, then you have copyright strikes all over the internet....
    Keep bring the PAIN....DJ Pain

  • @JEFFMAN90
    @JEFFMAN90 Před rokem +15

    Man the online producer community is weird as fuck smh. Social media has made people weird in general

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +2

      That’s also true

    • @lukecomeon03
      @lukecomeon03 Před rokem

      @@DJPain1 Saying the 37 year old man who is being in fact weird on social media…. Ironic

    • @HorrorWorldx
      @HorrorWorldx Před rokem

      @@lukecomeon03 ur probably the one who got called out in his video

    • @lukecomeon03
      @lukecomeon03 Před rokem

      @@HorrorWorldx Nice try, every plaque i have is from playing a live instrument.... try again?

  • @CharlieDiamondMusic
    @CharlieDiamondMusic Před rokem

    Fabulous authority DJ, love it.

  • @kingdomreign71
    @kingdomreign71 Před rokem

    thanks for this, great information

  • @drindy5166
    @drindy5166 Před rokem +3

    I like the engaging conversations that I can learn from and take away from in which might put me one step forward in the right direction. The fact you are giving this any attention is beyond me lol. Steer clear of the drama and keep your head in the game. Solid channel and solid content brother! 👊🧡👍EDIT: Didn't have notifications set to all... I do now lol... and here I was thinking you were slacking 👊🤣👍

    • @MattCupan
      @MattCupan Před rokem +1

      "Keep your head above water. Or drown below." - Chubb Rock off No More Prisons on Prince Paul's Prince of Thieves album.

  • @selfishbeats
    @selfishbeats Před rokem +6

    The overcrowding of music in general has brought out idiots in all sectors of music, especially those they think they can enter easily. Where ever somebody can scam and attempt to come up fast they will..

  • @mozzanth
    @mozzanth Před rokem +1

    Thank you for exposing the liars bro, respect!

  • @maximdanilov6562
    @maximdanilov6562 Před rokem +1

    very helpful, thanks!💫💫💫

  • @10kucold23
    @10kucold23 Před rokem +4

    Respect to you brother frfr , ima loop makwer but i make my stuff from scratch , and it makes me sick these so called loopmakers basicly stealing samples online lol...

  • @JSSoundsmusic
    @JSSoundsmusic Před rokem +7

    This is the reason I don’t use loops at all… unless they’re my own. I have the integrity to make my own original loops and samples for other people to use, but this shit is the wild wild west and you just can’t trust these mfs.
    A parallel to this that I also have a problem with is producers using loops, adding drums, and saying “I made this beat”, instead of “I made this beat with so and so”. People really out here taking credit like they have any musical ability besides clicking in midi drum notes. At least say that’s all you did 🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @ConscienceAnomaly
    @ConscienceAnomaly Před rokem

    This is very informative! Thanks for sharing!

  • @harrymindgameTV
    @harrymindgameTV Před rokem +2

    Great video and very well explained. Been having conversations on this for a few years now with artists and their “productions”. I immediately Shazam a track to see if it comes up somewhere else.

    • @JohnemonSilver
      @JohnemonSilver Před rokem +1

      there are genres that are based on sampling a disorting popular music but people who make those do not claim ownership of the samples use and honestly don't expect money from their work

    • @harrymindgameTV
      @harrymindgameTV Před rokem

      @@JohnemonSilver I’m referring to one’s who have charged for the tracks they have presented as their own. In one case it was clearly lifted from another beatmaker. The singer had already put her vocals on it as a song and presented to me for release.
      Definitely not referring to creatives who manipulate loops for fun or enjoyment and post their work.

  • @Alckemy
    @Alckemy Před rokem +5

    It’s definitely a problem. I only make my own stuff anyways but it’s a huge turn off to use others content, and as a preset/sample maker it tarnishes confidence in people wanting to buy sample packs.

    • @Lenron-B06
      @Lenron-B06 Před rokem

      Getting rid of anything I even think may have come from somewhere I could get jammed up for using.

  • @1337murk
    @1337murk Před rokem +6

    The Marco Polo Pad Thai sample packs have uncleared samples from KPM library records among other things. Those KPM library records are essentially sample packs to begin with. Literally unedited sfx from the KPM Communications library record to be exact. I could point out a bunch of others too.

    • @apexone5502
      @apexone5502 Před rokem +1

      Which Pad Thai series? The ones directly from Marco's site, the MPC expansion packs, or both?

    • @MrMargaretScratcher
      @MrMargaretScratcher Před rokem +1

      KPM samples is an interesting one, as originally owning the records gave you the licence to use them however you saw fit, I think? Ah, except for of course recording and reselling them on to someone else, standard sample library terms and conditions, really...

  • @YoPaulieMusic
    @YoPaulieMusic Před rokem

    Well said, thanks for fighting the good fight.

  • @mwekwone
    @mwekwone Před rokem +1

    Big ups to you bro haters hate the real keep it moving. 💯 to you.

  • @armenbeats2477
    @armenbeats2477 Před rokem +3

    Bruh the Kylie Minogue La La La "sample" sent to you with your reaction almost made me throw up on my keyboard 😂😂😂 but absolutely great and informative video as always 👏🏻

  • @djsheanbeatz
    @djsheanbeatz Před rokem +3

    thank you for all thse advice . I used to sample a lot and digging , and made a gold single with a sample but then the artists whom i Sampled , recognize his song and pursue me, and then we finally made an agreement, but this wad very difficult, he could own 100% of the entire song becaus i didn't clear the sample , we finally made a flip

  • @anytwocardzz
    @anytwocardzz Před rokem

    Great topic to speak about fam! Really appreaciate it!

  • @rmbeats3261
    @rmbeats3261 Před 9 měsíci

    Thank you for being a positive force in the producer community 🙏🏼

  • @goatonthatrack
    @goatonthatrack Před rokem +7

    It's hard to trust nowdays, there's a lot of people making Instagram accounts with a good amount of followers, (probably they are buying followers) a couple photos of a random people with some famous producers, pretending to be those people and charge you for collabs, "guaranteed placements'' all that bulsh%t 🤮

  • @the808kurokami6
    @the808kurokami6 Před rokem +5

    That's basically how scammers react when they get exposed. I've received those emails almost every day...I simply ignore them.

  • @dangusto2596
    @dangusto2596 Před 10 měsíci

    Thank you SO MUCH for shedding light on this mess that these people are doing! When I purchase loops the guidelines CLEARLY state that you cannot repackage the loops or samples and try to sell it as your own. Some people really just don’t give a f-ck!

  • @miltchamberlain6218
    @miltchamberlain6218 Před rokem +1

    My boy came with the receipts & breakdowns 😁🥂 video was well put together. Cant argue against the factuals💯

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +2

      They still do though 😂

  • @tvspazin9327
    @tvspazin9327 Před rokem +6

    Yeah me and my boy was cooking up a random person loop and i was like this sounds familiar .. after hearing the loop more i realized it was a hot chilly pepper song 🤦‍♂️😵‍💫 we blocked that email lmao real fast..

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +1

      Oh wow, nightmare clearance

  • @ohfreddyj
    @ohfreddyj Před rokem +3

    As an artist, im definitely tired of hearing producers use the same loops when i search for beats, now im gonna perfected my producing skills.

  • @bovinebloodline
    @bovinebloodline Před rokem +2

    I swear it’s always beat makers vs beat scammers smh glad you always bringing light to this bs !

  • @KhalifBeats
    @KhalifBeats Před rokem

    Thanks for educating man. I just set up my Beat Stars account and wanted to make sure I knew exactly how to go about my business the right and ethical legal way. Shout out to you for spreading awareness and the truth

  • @BritoWorx
    @BritoWorx Před rokem +5

    Thanks for being one of the few real producers in this realm of the fugazi.

  • @nesobre
    @nesobre Před rokem

    nice video bro I agree to everything you said basically, nice examples too

  • @hugovogels5588
    @hugovogels5588 Před rokem

    Just wanted to say thanks for speaking on these subjetcs (saw few others). I'm still improving my english and your videos are interesting and talked in a clear/understandable english.
    Have a nice day and hopefully we'll collab one day.

  • @hannuback
    @hannuback Před rokem +4

    Big part of the fun has been making my own stuff from scratch. I don't use samples that I didn't make, I don't even use factory settings on synths.
    I have the Yamaha reface DX and just love it because all the possibilities in creating new sounds. I've had drum sounds made from cardboard boxes and beats that are fully synthetic. The listener probably has no idea what is going on, but for me it's what makes my stuff feel unique for myself and "my style".
    Sure, I'm making music just for fun, but the learning process is a big part of the motivation: "oh, I can do THIS now". I do play gigs as a side hustle and everything I learn takes me further as a musician. But that's what it's all about for me: learning to express myself in new ways.

    • @jennoscura2381
      @jennoscura2381 Před rokem +1

      Good on ya. I love FM synths. I have a couple Yamaha FM synths from the 80s. An FB-01 and a PSS-680. My dream synth is the DX7.
      Yea it’s nice to tweak the sounds so you have something different. I love laying sounds. I will have two or three synths on the same MIDI channel playing the same thing. I mix them on a console. A piano or key sound is great layered with a string or pad. Just adjust the level and EQ of each sound. Not to mention adding effects to each sound.
      The CZcamsr Doctor Mix does recreations of songs. He’s able to figure out what synth or drum machine was used. I want my music to have sounds where someone can’t go “oh that such and such synth”.

  • @trashboat5566
    @trashboat5566 Před rokem +4

    the is the exact reason i only make and use my own samples

  • @filkiehybridtrap
    @filkiehybridtrap Před rokem

    Learned a lot from this, thank you!

  • @gametheoryproductions

    bro youre a goat frfr Ive used soo many of your samples/loops when I was starting out making beats I was in shock when ppl said youre not qualified to speak on this

  • @XSalador
    @XSalador Před rokem +22

    This is why in my Beats I create every sample myself. It takes a long time to get the right sound but I don't have to worry about getting scammed. Great info again 👍 u hopefully save a lot of producers some stress. It's good ur educating people on these issues. Buying samples/loops is a good idea as long as it's done right 👍.

    • @Lenron-B06
      @Lenron-B06 Před rokem +2

      I need to know where are some good places to find them. Not trying to get scammed by some clown trying to make a quick buck.

    • @XSalador
      @XSalador Před rokem +1

      @@Lenron-B06 I used to use spice but seems everybody was using the same samples.. 🤔.

    • @douglasrichardson2634
      @douglasrichardson2634 Před rokem +1

      Buy Loops from me

    • @phabeondominguez5971
      @phabeondominguez5971 Před rokem +2

      @@XSalador man I don't understand, are peeps crate digging for samples and loops, and instead of making a beat themselves out of it, they are instead selling em?

    • @djvarangian
      @djvarangian Před rokem +1

      That's the way to do it!

  • @KolossalStreamingGroup
    @KolossalStreamingGroup Před rokem +3

    A lot of people in the industry are lazy and get triggered when their nasty loopmaker tactics get called out

  • @songarrhea
    @songarrhea Před rokem

    Subscribed as a result of this video. Good shit my dude!

  • @dopemoneymusic
    @dopemoneymusic Před rokem

    You are a Legend Pain.. i have learnt so much from you.. you saved me years of time

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +1

      That makes it all worth it, thank you 🙏🏽

  • @bestkoreanjesus
    @bestkoreanjesus Před rokem +3

    you pissing off the entire FL studio community who glue other peoples loops together is why i follow you.

  • @camcartermusic
    @camcartermusic Před rokem +3

    No cap you 100% correct on this. A lot of these loop makers claim they make their “own” loops but they use splices loops 😂 Southside exposed yall who hire musicians and record them and send them off as loops smh. Stop trying to finesse the game. Producers pay attention and do yo research before getting involved. Make them loopmakers send you the stems 🎯💎 💯

  • @Blizzybeatz3
    @Blizzybeatz3 Před rokem

    Thank you!!!

  • @SNEAAAKBEATS
    @SNEAAAKBEATS Před rokem +1

    Talk your shit Pain!! This is important and you didn’t have to address anything but was needed to further educate

  • @greyklopstock7155
    @greyklopstock7155 Před rokem +21

    This is part of why I stopped making beats. Cause I LOVE digging for samples and finding something cool, flipping it into something dope, and sharing it with the homies. I used to go on old sites that would post bootleg foreign records in all sorts of languages and find lit shit. But the way things have changed, it's really got me feeling bad for how people go about their business. Nobody makes stuff anymore. Like, one of my favorite things to do in the world is chop up old drum breaks from vinyl, layer and process hits together, and make my own drums. It's a huge part of my artistry and I've been doing it since I was a sophomore in high school. I don't know ANYONE who makes their own drums like that. They all download sample packs, or use preloaded stuff.
    To me, that is a huge part of your sound. Back before my time, that was the only way to do it. Now, none of the kids coming up do it like that. They all use the same 808s and drum hits and percussion and wonder why their drums don't pop like other people's do. Yes it's a lot more work to do it the old way. But you do it enough and you'll build a library that'll go a long way. People just want to take the easy way out instead of perfecting a craft

    • @grayearly3116
      @grayearly3116 Před rokem +3

      Respect! Don't lose hope, I do the same thing. Been doing it since I started. In addition, now I get real drum hits from real drum kits. The game is still alive and I'm teaching it to the next generation too!

    • @greyklopstock7155
      @greyklopstock7155 Před rokem +2

      @@grayearly3116 I'm glad there's still some of us out there. It's becoming a lost art

    • @michaelcalderon6693
      @michaelcalderon6693 Před rokem

      Jake one aka snare Jordan does this

    • @greyklopstock7155
      @greyklopstock7155 Před rokem +2

      @@michaelcalderon6693 Jake One is awesome! He's made some incredible stuff. Even though his most well known work will probably be the John Cena song. But like, Rock co Kane flow is insane

    • @Stank_Dank_
      @Stank_Dank_ Před rokem

      I mean this respectfully, maybe in general you spend your time chopping up drum hits for samples while other people are already writing the beats they hear in their head. I understand your dedication to the craft, but some people just start writing with no knowledge. And make fire beats. It is what it is, music is like that in every genre.

  • @ryanreents
    @ryanreents Před rokem +4

    You're the man Pain, the smart people got your back

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +1

      There are so few of us though 😂

  • @HollywoodVideos-ku1fd

    DJ pain that's the first time I've listened to your videos I been a producer for number of years and I really liked what you doing educating people on the business side of music and you telling the Cold Truth man some of these people so ignorant they think they can just use anybody's music and make money off of it and do anything they want to and claim it you schooling these young cats man in the game keep on doing the good work brother great videos 👍

  • @benjbeatz
    @benjbeatz Před rokem

    Bro, you are a good guy. Thank you for your work !

  • @77cadet
    @77cadet Před rokem +3

    I think the disconnect lies first between the generations. The main problem (while this is also a good thing), producing is extremely accessible now. That means more people are making the music… So, you run into situations where you have people that are relatively new, getting placements…….. But don’t understand the game.

  • @tellybeatzofficial
    @tellybeatzofficial Před rokem +3

    Originality is the best!!

  • @SFYD_Studios
    @SFYD_Studios Před rokem

    You’re appreciated bro

  • @martinpricebeats8525
    @martinpricebeats8525 Před rokem

    Had i good time watching this video. You are spot on! Michael Jackson part cracked me up. 😂😂😂

  • @pillpoppa
    @pillpoppa Před rokem +9

    i felt the metaphysical producer “community” room get real quiet when you busted out the Turbo clip lol 😅 . I love producing, but disgusted with the so called producer community, specifically on Twitter. Mostly a bunch of little dweebs, rolling on Vyvanse high off their 2022 Q3 $300 royalty check, making super bold and opinionated engagement subtweets, knowing they’re timid selves wouldn’t say a word to you in real life.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +2

      Lots of little dweebs, you’re right about that.

    • @BrandonAdams1010
      @BrandonAdams1010 Před rokem

      it is the worst b/c it impacts normal real people's perception of things. i miss gearsl*tz, where the pros could form complete sentences, and share the real sauce.

    • @pillpoppa
      @pillpoppa Před rokem

      @@BrandonAdams1010 sad that the era of forums is no longer. reddit could never compare. seems like the whole internet has dissolved into a just few apps.

    • @snubdawg1386
      @snubdawg1386 Před rokem

      @@BrandonAdams1010 i miss the name gearslutz, but the platform just changed their name?!

  • @nebstaism
    @nebstaism Před rokem +11

    This is why you’re just better off just making fully original compositions and beats yourself

    • @larrytan73
      @larrytan73 Před rokem

      The biggest songs were sample bro! If you are not quincey Jones the sit ur ass down!

    • @TCfromSC
      @TCfromSC Před rokem +2

      Some people dont have the talent for that and they damn sure don't wanna learn how to create original shit lol

  • @aproducernamed2
    @aproducernamed2 Před rokem

    Wow. Good catch on that illmind sample

  • @kewbag5115
    @kewbag5115 Před rokem

    Well said fam!. As a original crate digger I feel bad for the level of ignorance our game. You drop the truth. Long life is a success inits self. keep up the work fam.

  • @ClassEBeats
    @ClassEBeats Před rokem +3

    3:21 Nah, talk your 💩 man. These dudes are out here throwing online temper tantrums and acting like you’re brand new to the music industry. Smh

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +2

      I’m 75 and I made my first beat last week

    • @ClassEBeats
      @ClassEBeats Před rokem

      @@DJPain1 😂

  • @ayoonine
    @ayoonine Před rokem +4

    I think a lot loopmakers/sample makers engage in that practice. I wont say names but I bought two packs from people who are well established and the samples were 70s style records that were re sampled and put in their packs as original compositions. The original records were sampled for high profile hip hop artists. The backlash is coming from people who engaged in that shit too.

  • @tbonebeats6429
    @tbonebeats6429 Před rokem

    All facts! Great video.

  • @allyouracid
    @allyouracid Před rokem

    Love the perfect use of the Spongebob meme. Your reply could not have been any better to such a tweet.

  • @dedasalmeida9047
    @dedasalmeida9047 Před rokem +4

    I produce my own music and record, and I never used music samples from anyone ... Always created my own stuff ...
    Listening to this is mind blowing, to know that there are people out there stealing music from established artists and then pitch up or down and sell it to producers for profit it's disgusting really

    • @latenitephreak
      @latenitephreak Před rokem +1

      You would be surprised how often industry dudes re pitch or re instrument

  • @ualien1111
    @ualien1111 Před rokem +3

    Don’t fw pain man BECAUSE DAM THAT HURT 🙏 yall PRODUCERS 😂

  • @trusteezy
    @trusteezy Před rokem

    Appreciate u Pain thank u

  • @blvck_truffl3913
    @blvck_truffl3913 Před rokem

    Where can I random like send you real lops pain? You a true voice in the game bro mad respect

  • @cron412
    @cron412 Před rokem +4

    Them ain’t loopmakers. They just lazy lol

  • @DareReen_fpm
    @DareReen_fpm Před rokem +3

    Thumb nail funny tho 🤣

  • @PetrolMediaInc
    @PetrolMediaInc Před rokem +1

    Your absolutely right! I work in sync for tv and film and you absolutely cannot use samples at all. Too many records have caused issues that it’s basically banned unless the film company wants to get it cleared. In that case they contact the artists first, then have a dedicated producer sample it. I love working with samples, but I know they have their place, and unfortunately they don’t work in the domain I need to be in. I will use them only for social media purposes and even then, Only ones I get cleared or purchased but never splice or any services. It’s not worth it at least in my case.

  • @ramonpooser2434
    @ramonpooser2434 Před rokem +2

    This is a mess. People with no talent will do anything to make it out here. Then they want to tear down people who do this for a living. I feel for you. I make beats but am more of a songwriter, which is another area where people with no talent litter, repeating other people’s lyrics. There is no end in sight.

  • @bigpluck51
    @bigpluck51 Před rokem +3

    Yo Pain this is the result of the young kids in the game who don't respect the OGs of the game and they've never even done one hour's worth of homework on artist of the past.
    However you really can't blame them, they're trying to get paid & remember it's written in the Bible "NIV: 1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."
    There's this guy I grew up with who's only five years older than me who finally got out of prison after being in & out since 1975. His last two jobs was robbing two banks. I finally got to talk with him & I asked him Ninja why the fvck did you keep robbing banks. He simply said "Cause that's where the money is" I guess getting a job was out of the question huh....
    -BiG Pluck

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  Před rokem +2

      That’s also true. The culture used to involve mentorship and inter generational respect. The culture died a while ago and all of that went to 🗑️

    • @bigpluck51
      @bigpluck51 Před rokem

      @@DJPain1 You know Pain you're so right. However I'd say we can blame that mostly on the advent of the Internet. Where before you learned from an OG of the game who would tell NO noooo nononono you can't do that. Because you'll be a rat, you'll be cast out. You'll get black balled, known as unoriginal or worst yet GET YO ASS KILLED!
      The Internet is just a tool. These kids today use it as such to find what they want and put their ideas together with no guidance whatsoever.