Why Loopmakers Are Ruining Beatmaking
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- Apparently I hate loopmakers, in spite of being a long-time creator of loops and samples. However, many new loopmakers are lying, stealing samples and creating potential career-ending legal trouble for many beatmakers.
Here is how they're doing it and why it's a problem.
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00:00 - Intro
00:23 - My Controversial Tweet
02:48 - Producers Getting Angry At Me
03:37 - I Am a Loopmaker
05:44 - Loopmakers Are Out For Fast Money
07:43 - How Loopmakers Steal
09:38 - Stolen Illmind Loop
10:50 - Stolen Uncleared Samples
13:37 - Gunna's Producer Goes Off on Loopmakers
15:19 - These Loops Will Ruin Your Career
18:49 - Loopmakers Are LYING
Selling beats online 2023 - Hudba
Collab on a beat with me: bsta.rs/227bd24
Hey Pain, I have the same Yeti mic as you. Turn down the gain by about 10% to remove audio distortion.
Alright here we go..."boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap, boom boom clap" Totally original and it's definitely not stolen from from Queens "rock you" song...I want 100% of the proceeds if we collab! Lol
@@chrisbaker7858 No because Boombap is not Boom Boop, Clap, Boom Boom Clap. Boombap is Boom Clap, Boom, Boom Clap, Boom, Clap Boom Boom, Boom, Clap.
@@HOLLASOUNDS 😂😂😂😂
I agree, I come from the Dilla era where we dig for obscure samples. We know how to dig for samples and research the artist and start to understand the musics. Like Dilla the more listen. The more you start to understand music and be able to play from ear and feeling Then again a lot of us who grew up in the 70’s with fathers and uncles that had recorded collections. I learned from Dj spinna ,jlive large professor. A lot of us so many obscure sample we trade records like comic books.
"As if having longevity in this game is like an insult" this is big facts, modern hiphop does not respect this 😂
Modern bitchassness doesn’t lol
Yea bro just look at Eminem lol.
Basically they want try to make 30mil off of one album then retire. I mean I get it yet that's also why nobody respects them.
My favorite line of the whole video and I loved the whole video. Nothing but (fact) checks and receipts.
New dudes are weirdos and don' understand the game
I am crying 🤣. How anyone can think sending loops of other people's work is okay and then DEMANDING compensation is okay is craaaaazy.
Read the comments dude people love this shit
@@DJPain1 I hope you're not disagreeing but merley pointing out the reality of it. Because as you said, them using a sample of other people's work then wanting compensation for the beat should not even be legal tbh. Lol
You can't get mad at producers for speaking up about this issue. It almost makes you look guilty of doing what they are warning other producers about.
People get defensive when they believe you're spreading misinformation for "clout," or exaggerating statistics to push an agenda. "That doesn't happen" is the common response to a lot of different social issues in our world.
@@crnkmnky And it’s usually people who do those things saying it doesn’t happen, both with irrelevant things and social issues.
Exactly what i thought
I think the issue on a grander scale is just how parasitic the music production community is compared to 90% of other creative hobby communities. It’s unfortunate, but music production gigs are infinitely harder to score than, for example, 3D animation or even video editing. As a result, really scummy scams like this are way more abundant. There’s also the “old head vs new head” civil war bs in the community because 14 year olds with access to Bandlab on their school issued Google chromebooks have the ego to convince themselves they know better than their teachers.
Couldn't have said it better myself, esp abt these young ones...👌🏾
as someone who is on the younger side of the scene and industry, yeah most of my peers are either doing the work and making most everything from scratch or stealing samples and claiming they're working with the best. it's really toxic and annoying especially with how rude they are. though we're not all bad it feels like the art community as a whole is more focused on milking each other for money rather than sharing the craft
There is definitely a line that has been crossed. Don't be lazy. If someone wants to be in the music business, then first learn music. Then you can be creative. We are all influenced by someone....but ther is a huge difference in being influenced or inspired by a piece of work and just straight up stealing it.....
Realistically I hear about people stealing visual art WAY more often than in music
I’m not even going to lie some of these teen producers be making bangers lmao
One of the most solid down to earth producers in the game… y’all better pay attention to this man!
Appreciate that 🙏🏽
yus siiiiiiir;)
Man forget this guy
@@dimeandbiggie353 why bro…why?
@@drenolynbeats he a big hater. Nigga we gettin bread and he dont like it. He wanna hog all da placements. We all can eat u dont gotta be da head because u cant be the head anyway. U aint runnin nunn my boy
Great video bro! These scammers are easy to spot in my opinion, only the real honest musicians are going to stick around long term.
True, it’ll clear up eventually, it’s just flooded now
@@DJPain1 Facts and I don't blame you for being annoyed, it's annoying af
even if they're sending samples for free, if they can't show a cover for the pack , a website, Branded IG etc, no reason to trust it.
This is why I'm leaning towards only making my loops from stock sounds from my DAW, I've come up with some extraterrestrial heat
May YOU receive all the success this world affords, wishing you the very best. Respect. 👊🏽
This is wild to me as someone who makes music that people are just tossing a bunch of samples together when I'm designing patches on my synths and recording shit with a field recorder. Wtf are people doing?
This needed to be said a million times over! I’ve bought too many loop packs from IG loopmakers who just repackage other peoples music and you don’t find out until you open the folder and listen to the files. It’s frustrating and backhanded. And it needs to be called out more!
WHO. you have to call the names out. otherwise its completely useless. who is doing that?
@@dvnito3890 I don’t have time to search names…I don’t keep a log of scammers. It happens all the time especially with these social media loopmakers.
I mean this with all sincerity, I'm not trying to talk down to you or anyone else or put anyone down. I'm genuinely am looking for understanding and an explanation.
Help me understand the appeal of buying premade loops put together by other people. Not just premade, but specifically made for the purpose of helping people make beats?
As someone who still digs for samples using vinyl, hits records stores, thrift shops and garage sales to find obscure sounds (not Michael Jackson and Prince) it just seems puzzling to me that people are willing to pay for the same premade sounds everyone else has access to.
I make boom bap, lofi hip hop, and part of the fun is finding your own loops in songs or media that wasn't intended to be looped, or finding chops or just dope unique sounds you can use that everyone else doesn't have access to.
I'm not saying it has to be done with just records, everyone doesn't have access to records, but you can use CZcams, or even a blue ray, the TV..real life sounds... ANYTHING, that's the fun of sampling. It's turning those sounds and rhythms that weren't meant for hip hop, or house, or edm or whatever type of music you make.. turning those sounds into your own.
I don't understand these loop packs, and I'm looking for someone to explain what I'm missing, how they are used and why they are a tool that shouldn't be overlooked. It just seems odd to me. Can someone explain how my view is misguided.
@@liquidmetalslime9 ok i will introduce you.
a loop pack is basically the same like a old vinyl record collection. the only difference is that a loop pack is made from composers/producers FOR other producers. and thats it. some a free for non profit some come with a little price.
its about collabing on songs together. its a way to get exposure. bigger producers looking up loop packs of unkown talented composer to work with them. its inspiration. this is nothing new basiacally its just a way of collaborating and its a way to make easy songs. back then you had to clear the old samples which was super expensive and with a lot stress. with these "new" sample packs its way easyier to handle this
instead of digging for HOURS, you just look up one of your favorite sample makers and buy one of the loop packs from them... no chopping, no arranging, no stress with the clearing.
the world of sample packs is still pretty new and there is a ton of packs and very talented people out there and its worth to dig into this world, trust me.
one of the first sample makers are frank dukes. he had this idea to put out his own packs of samples into the internet. look him up
@@liquidmetalslime9 @Liquid Metal Slime#9 It takes way less time to throw a beat together using samples when you have immediate access to the bpm and key, and without having to think about what effects to use, what parts to sample and so on. It seems to me as well that lots of ppl in the online rap producer game like to chase the most palatable and current sounds in this oversaturated fast-paced industry, so having a bunch of curated samples at your fingertips can really streamline that process. Someone who is trying to work with as many artists as possible to secure a placement and build a reputation out of an ocean of identical artists is solely focused on calculated output rather than a creative process. Just a side note, but man I didn’t know how fucked this was until I watched some video last year of this dude Taz Taylor from ‘Internet Money’ producing for Lil Yachty. All bro did was drag and drop a couple files and he basically had a whole lame ass beat ready like five minutes after he arrived lmao. The guy has assembled a whole squad of henchmen to make beats while he smokes and pretends, he’s Rick Rubin.
I’m going to take somewhat of a shot in the dark here, but from what I’ve seen/heard, it seems like loop packs primarily serve a younger generation in contemporary hip hop that has inflated exponentially through the ease of access and entry that the internet provides to everyone regardless of musical ability/passion or lack thereof. Lots of ppl nowadays have this overwhelming desire to pursue fame and wealth through the easiest/quickest avenues possible and hip hop being one of the most popular and accessible genres attracts a shit ton of folks who just want to grind and maybe get rich in the process.
I think that the loop pack industry has sprouted from the crazy demand for quick results in songwriting and production to try and keep up with the manic social media/music industry landscape where it can be incredibly difficult for artists nowadays, (especially generic ones) to grow if they’re not releasing new stuff constantly and spamming the algorithms and methods.
imo
Bruh, people tryna defend lying, stealing - thanks for this - as a sample maker - these "loopmakers" are taking these loops and fronting it as their own REALLY fucks me over.
Y'all have no shame. Big ups for this bruv.
Same bro, same. We gotta do something.
All music comes from God technically nobody creates anything we are just the angels/instruments of co creation
I 100% agree and it's difficult for composers that create music to get sampled + discovered because of this issue. Making compositions take so much time, countless hours of music theory, and sleepless nights. Still love the whole process of recording with different gear and effects. Good things take time.
Appreciate you looking out and sharing the info! If people are getting mad at the truth it’s usually cuz they know they are guilty or misinformed.
Much love for setting things straight... This info is actually very very needed to hear for all others who want to get into music. Maybe there's many who still don't know how this is suppose to work... 👏
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The producers acting like this isn't a problem are definitely doing it
Imma use this video the next time someone sends me a sample pack with samples that aren’t theirs, or better yet when the court case happens and they still don’t get it lol thank you again Pain for helping & educating the producer community 🙏🏾
Yeah when those legal repercussions hit, suddenly they’ll be concerned
If a producer makes a sample pack, can't they just sell them on CD? Or find an artist to make a beat for? What kind of beatmaker buys another diggers' finds? Haven't they learned anything from the 80s/90s? Or do they even care?
@@MattCupan well there are diggers who sell to producers, but they both know exactly what the situation is, one party isn’t claiming ownership of the samples
I just watched a video called "Beware of Stolen Sound Effects Packs." It appears that filmmakers are also being scammed by fake "royalty-free" libraries.
One of the sellers named in the video replied that the stolen sounds were compiled by a sub-contractor, and apologized.
@@crnkmnky wow 😮 first I’ve ever heard of this, crazy!!
You are SO right. I loved this video. I see SO many people giving away these sample packs for royaltie splits. Once i actually made a sick beat using a nice sample, i never uploaded it purely out of respect for the owners of the song.
Bro welcome to the internet your just fighting with people who wont put in the work. They still going to fight with you if it's the facts or cap. Keep doing you DJ Pain
Well said
Thank you for keeping it real and sharing your experience. People be killing them damn loops acting like they really created something. It takes a good ear to throw effects on something but yo it's almost like stealing. The artist might as well be looping up the lyrics too.
I mean throw effects on a loop and make a beat with it, but don’t claim you made it and send it out to others, that’s definitely stealing
This is why I’m so scared of using beats by random “producers “
That's why I make my own compositions, take my stems to create loops to repurpose... I have only begun using Splice and Arcade to show the "supposed producers" they are only ARRANGERS slapping loops together and a lot of loop makers are stealing loops and reselling them, then you have copyright strikes all over the internet....
Keep bring the PAIN....DJ Pain
I came here, thinking this will be a roast on sampling and loops, But now that I finished watching the video, I completely agree with you. As a producer who is just starting out this is invaluable information, so thank you very much.
Thank you for watching
That's why I buy all my packs from Cymatics, if I get a placement I'm cool. I know not to re-package their samples for my own monetary gain. Great insight DJ Pain and thanks for proving what's really happening.
thanks man i just started producing and ive been going the route of coming up with my own melodies and flipping samples. you gave good advice that young people need to hear that just started. I dont see myself using loops unless im just practicing bc I still suck lol. I either use VSTs or one shots to create sounds.
Have you tried any instruments and different microphone setups?
Since following your page, i've only been enlightened on the industry and have learnt an immense amount of knowledge that i apply to my own production. Thank you for the content that you put out.
Thank you!
The overcrowding of music in general has brought out idiots in all sectors of music, especially those they think they can enter easily. Where ever somebody can scam and attempt to come up fast they will..
That’s true
Watched this whole video waiting for you to bring up digging in the crates. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Man the online producer community is weird as fuck smh. Social media has made people weird in general
That’s also true
@@DJPain1 Saying the 37 year old man who is being in fact weird on social media…. Ironic
@@lukecomeon03 ur probably the one who got called out in his video
@@SpicyMang0s Nice try, every plaque i have is from playing a live instrument.... try again?
thanks for this, great information
Thank you! Very on point video! Sad its all about fast money now and not about the real art of music....
If no one has it set it before, thank you DJ Pain 1 for doing what you do and giving out information to those that really want to learn the business and what to look out for. Stay blessed bro!
Appreciate that energy
very helpful, thanks!💫💫💫
Brilliant video! Thank's for the heads up I didn't know this was happening.
Any time!
The Marco Polo Pad Thai sample packs have uncleared samples from KPM library records among other things. Those KPM library records are essentially sample packs to begin with. Literally unedited sfx from the KPM Communications library record to be exact. I could point out a bunch of others too.
Which Pad Thai series? The ones directly from Marco's site, the MPC expansion packs, or both?
KPM samples is an interesting one, as originally owning the records gave you the licence to use them however you saw fit, I think? Ah, except for of course recording and reselling them on to someone else, standard sample library terms and conditions, really...
Thank you for sharing. I always show the trackout of my loopkit/samples. That is at least a solid proof.
Thank you for exposing the liars bro, respect!
Well said Pain! Response was clear,calm,respectful and referenced💯
I appreciate that!
You spoke nothing but facts 💯
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This is the reason I don’t use loops at all… unless they’re my own. I have the integrity to make my own original loops and samples for other people to use, but this shit is the wild wild west and you just can’t trust these mfs.
A parallel to this that I also have a problem with is producers using loops, adding drums, and saying “I made this beat”, instead of “I made this beat with so and so”. People really out here taking credit like they have any musical ability besides clicking in midi drum notes. At least say that’s all you did 🤦🏽♂️
This is very informative! Thanks for sharing!
Fabulous authority DJ, love it.
There is really no excuse for not crate digging today. It has literally never been any easier. All you need is a computer. You don’t need a turntable and a sampler. You don’t need to go anywhere to get “crates” to dig in. You can literally go searching for works to sample from bed. In fact, it is even easier. With technology today you can also isolate the specific instruments you want FAR easier then ever before
That's true. There's literally no excuse.
Fr man I accept and embrace the blessing someone like me has for being born around this time when it comes to music production.
wouldn't the whole sample clearance issue be a good excuse for not crate digging?
@@BrandonAdams1010
Maybe if you don’t use a platform like Tracklib (or if you don’t have a label you can pawn that off to) would that be an issue
@@BrandonAdams1010 I don't think the issue is clearing samples. You get around to that when the label feels like they can put money into you and if it's enough to clear one or two samples or whatever, then you cross that bridge when you get to it.
I think the issue that DJ Pain 1 is talking about is claiming that the sample is your own and trying to make money off of that. If you're gonna sample something, just know ahead of time what you're getting into before doing so.
It's hard to trust nowdays, there's a lot of people making Instagram accounts with a good amount of followers, (probably they are buying followers) a couple photos of a random people with some famous producers, pretending to be those people and charge you for collabs, "guaranteed placements'' all that bulsh%t 🤮
facts big homie! shits sad these days and they all feed into it so heavy the second you have your opinion you the "hater" or "you played out" smh keep doing you g
Thank you for being a positive force in the producer community 🙏🏼
That's basically how scammers react when they get exposed. I've received those emails almost every day...I simply ignore them.
That’s a good point
To me sound design seems like an integral part of the creative side of music production. That's not to say you have to do it from scratch; I love synth patching but most of the sounds I make are built from extremely fucked up default daw stuff, like sampled instruments or drums. Sample packs and stuff can be really cool and it's exciting to play a few of the sounds and imagine the possibilities, but very quickly it just feels like slotting puzzle pieces together into some predefined track rather than actually making something of your own. I feel like sampling is about either brutally fucking with the sound in question to make something new, or it's carefully refining and perfecting something in a kind of reverent way, then building something that adds to it around it. Either way it's meant to be creative yk. My favorite thing is taking a sound that sounds like garbage and making something cool out of it; it's so boring using sounds that already sound perfect for something.
I agree, I used melody loops from splice to learn how to use my daw (logic pro X) but quickly I realized how that lacked creativity. Now I mostly find tracks to sample on my own and try make something original out of it. But even that’s getting old now, so now I’m taking piano lessons.
Big ups to you bro haters hate the real keep it moving. 💯 to you.
Well said, thanks for fighting the good fight.
Big part of the fun has been making my own stuff from scratch. I don't use samples that I didn't make, I don't even use factory settings on synths.
I have the Yamaha reface DX and just love it because all the possibilities in creating new sounds. I've had drum sounds made from cardboard boxes and beats that are fully synthetic. The listener probably has no idea what is going on, but for me it's what makes my stuff feel unique for myself and "my style".
Sure, I'm making music just for fun, but the learning process is a big part of the motivation: "oh, I can do THIS now". I do play gigs as a side hustle and everything I learn takes me further as a musician. But that's what it's all about for me: learning to express myself in new ways.
Good on ya. I love FM synths. I have a couple Yamaha FM synths from the 80s. An FB-01 and a PSS-680. My dream synth is the DX7.
Yea it’s nice to tweak the sounds so you have something different. I love laying sounds. I will have two or three synths on the same MIDI channel playing the same thing. I mix them on a console. A piano or key sound is great layered with a string or pad. Just adjust the level and EQ of each sound. Not to mention adding effects to each sound.
The CZcamsr Doctor Mix does recreations of songs. He’s able to figure out what synth or drum machine was used. I want my music to have sounds where someone can’t go “oh that such and such synth”.
Thank you SO MUCH for shedding light on this mess that these people are doing! When I purchase loops the guidelines CLEARLY state that you cannot repackage the loops or samples and try to sell it as your own. Some people really just don’t give a f-ck!
Great topic to speak about fam! Really appreaciate it!
Yeah me and my boy was cooking up a random person loop and i was like this sounds familiar .. after hearing the loop more i realized it was a hot chilly pepper song 🤦♂️😵💫 we blocked that email lmao real fast..
Oh wow, nightmare clearance
As an artist, im definitely tired of hearing producers use the same loops when i search for beats, now im gonna perfected my producing skills.
Great video and very well explained. Been having conversations on this for a few years now with artists and their “productions”. I immediately Shazam a track to see if it comes up somewhere else.
there are genres that are based on sampling a disorting popular music but people who make those do not claim ownership of the samples use and honestly don't expect money from their work
@@JohnemonSilver I’m referring to one’s who have charged for the tracks they have presented as their own. In one case it was clearly lifted from another beatmaker. The singer had already put her vocals on it as a song and presented to me for release.
Definitely not referring to creatives who manipulate loops for fun or enjoyment and post their work.
I swear it’s always beat makers vs beat scammers smh glad you always bringing light to this bs !
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the is the exact reason i only make and use my own samples
thank you for all thse advice . I used to sample a lot and digging , and made a gold single with a sample but then the artists whom i Sampled , recognize his song and pursue me, and then we finally made an agreement, but this wad very difficult, he could own 100% of the entire song becaus i didn't clear the sample , we finally made a flip
Learned a lot from this, thank you!
Glad to hear it!
Just wanted to say thanks for speaking on these subjetcs (saw few others). I'm still improving my english and your videos are interesting and talked in a clear/understandable english.
Have a nice day and hopefully we'll collab one day.
Respect to you brother frfr , ima loop makwer but i make my stuff from scratch , and it makes me sick these so called loopmakers basicly stealing samples online lol...
Same bro
I like the engaging conversations that I can learn from and take away from in which might put me one step forward in the right direction. The fact you are giving this any attention is beyond me lol. Steer clear of the drama and keep your head in the game. Solid channel and solid content brother! 👊🧡👍EDIT: Didn't have notifications set to all... I do now lol... and here I was thinking you were slacking 👊🤣👍
"Keep your head above water. Or drown below." - Chubb Rock off No More Prisons on Prince Paul's Prince of Thieves album.
Thanks for educating man. I just set up my Beat Stars account and wanted to make sure I knew exactly how to go about my business the right and ethical legal way. Shout out to you for spreading awareness and the truth
Thank you
nice video bro I agree to everything you said basically, nice examples too
No cap you 100% correct on this. A lot of these loop makers claim they make their “own” loops but they use splices loops 😂 Southside exposed yall who hire musicians and record them and send them off as loops smh. Stop trying to finesse the game. Producers pay attention and do yo research before getting involved. Make them loopmakers send you the stems 🎯💎 💯
Thanks for being one of the few real producers in this realm of the fugazi.
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This is a mess. People with no talent will do anything to make it out here. Then they want to tear down people who do this for a living. I feel for you. I make beats but am more of a songwriter, which is another area where people with no talent litter, repeating other people’s lyrics. There is no end in sight.
bro youre a goat frfr Ive used soo many of your samples/loops when I was starting out making beats I was in shock when ppl said youre not qualified to speak on this
Bruh the Kylie Minogue La La La "sample" sent to you with your reaction almost made me throw up on my keyboard 😂😂😂 but absolutely great and informative video as always 👏🏻
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you pissing off the entire FL studio community who glue other peoples loops together is why i follow you.
You’re appreciated bro
Thank you 🙏🏽
Appreciate u Pain thank u
No problem
This is why in my Beats I create every sample myself. It takes a long time to get the right sound but I don't have to worry about getting scammed. Great info again 👍 u hopefully save a lot of producers some stress. It's good ur educating people on these issues. Buying samples/loops is a good idea as long as it's done right 👍.
I need to know where are some good places to find them. Not trying to get scammed by some clown trying to make a quick buck.
@@Lenron-B06 I used to use spice but seems everybody was using the same samples.. 🤔.
Buy Loops from me
@@XSalador man I don't understand, are peeps crate digging for samples and loops, and instead of making a beat themselves out of it, they are instead selling em?
That's the way to do it!
Originality is the best!!
My boy came with the receipts & breakdowns 😁🥂 video was well put together. Cant argue against the factuals💯
They still do though 😂
Thank you!!!
You're the man Pain, the smart people got your back
There are so few of us though 😂
A lot of people in the industry are lazy and get triggered when their nasty loopmaker tactics get called out
I’m actually someone who primarily uses loops and samples from Splice but tbh I WANT to make stuff from scratch, I just can’t figure it out. I need some hands on exp. to help me improve it. But tbh I think it’s still an incredible tool to help people like myself to grow in the areas of creating original beats/songs - eventually I want to grow out of relying on them, but I’m sure it’ll be something I use no matter what level I progress to
Bro, you are a good guy. Thank you for your work !
I appreciate that!
I think the disconnect lies first between the generations. The main problem (while this is also a good thing), producing is extremely accessible now. That means more people are making the music… So, you run into situations where you have people that are relatively new, getting placements…….. But don’t understand the game.
This is part of why I stopped making beats. Cause I LOVE digging for samples and finding something cool, flipping it into something dope, and sharing it with the homies. I used to go on old sites that would post bootleg foreign records in all sorts of languages and find lit shit. But the way things have changed, it's really got me feeling bad for how people go about their business. Nobody makes stuff anymore. Like, one of my favorite things to do in the world is chop up old drum breaks from vinyl, layer and process hits together, and make my own drums. It's a huge part of my artistry and I've been doing it since I was a sophomore in high school. I don't know ANYONE who makes their own drums like that. They all download sample packs, or use preloaded stuff.
To me, that is a huge part of your sound. Back before my time, that was the only way to do it. Now, none of the kids coming up do it like that. They all use the same 808s and drum hits and percussion and wonder why their drums don't pop like other people's do. Yes it's a lot more work to do it the old way. But you do it enough and you'll build a library that'll go a long way. People just want to take the easy way out instead of perfecting a craft
Respect! Don't lose hope, I do the same thing. Been doing it since I started. In addition, now I get real drum hits from real drum kits. The game is still alive and I'm teaching it to the next generation too!
@@grayearly3116 I'm glad there's still some of us out there. It's becoming a lost art
Jake one aka snare Jordan does this
@@michaelcalderon6693 Jake One is awesome! He's made some incredible stuff. Even though his most well known work will probably be the John Cena song. But like, Rock co Kane flow is insane
I mean this respectfully, maybe in general you spend your time chopping up drum hits for samples while other people are already writing the beats they hear in their head. I understand your dedication to the craft, but some people just start writing with no knowledge. And make fire beats. It is what it is, music is like that in every genre.
thank you for all what you're doing for years, I learnt a lot from you... Love from Lebanon
Wow. Good catch on that illmind sample
i felt the metaphysical producer “community” room get real quiet when you busted out the Turbo clip lol 😅 . I love producing, but disgusted with the so called producer community, specifically on Twitter. Mostly a bunch of little dweebs, rolling on Vyvanse high off their 2022 Q3 $300 royalty check, making super bold and opinionated engagement subtweets, knowing they’re timid selves wouldn’t say a word to you in real life.
Lots of little dweebs, you’re right about that.
it is the worst b/c it impacts normal real people's perception of things. i miss gearsl*tz, where the pros could form complete sentences, and share the real sauce.
@@BrandonAdams1010 sad that the era of forums is no longer. reddit could never compare. seems like the whole internet has dissolved into a just few apps.
@@BrandonAdams1010 i miss the name gearslutz, but the platform just changed their name?!
I think a lot loopmakers/sample makers engage in that practice. I wont say names but I bought two packs from people who are well established and the samples were 70s style records that were re sampled and put in their packs as original compositions. The original records were sampled for high profile hip hop artists. The backlash is coming from people who engaged in that shit too.
Yikes
i agree with you. I have been collecting samples since the late 90s/early 2000s and an extreme data hoarder. back then people would synthesize new drums or mangle chopped breaks beyond recognition. create their own patches. I have a huge skepticism of a lot of audio sample packs these days as recycled drum machine samples with some processing.
I do have a lot of respect for the riddim/bass/dubstep community that focuses more on Vital/Serum patches that includes useful macro knobs etc. there is a lot of value in that.
But audio loops/samples is recycled/stolen shit from other packs half the time.
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and another problem is i notice people will take a synth patch someone else made(sometimes even a default preset), and then bounce audio of it and include that in an audio sample pack. i dont need that
I didn't think it was getting that crazy out here
That's just insane. I get it because of the instant gratification though.
3:21 Nah, talk your 💩 man. These dudes are out here throwing online temper tantrums and acting like you’re brand new to the music industry. Smh
I’m 75 and I made my first beat last week
@@DJPain1 😂
This is why you’re just better off just making fully original compositions and beats yourself
The biggest songs were sample bro! If you are not quincey Jones the sit ur ass down!
Some people dont have the talent for that and they damn sure don't wanna learn how to create original shit lol
Where can I random like send you real lops pain? You a true voice in the game bro mad respect
Talk your shit Pain!! This is important and you didn’t have to address anything but was needed to further educate
🙏🏽
I produce my own music and record, and I never used music samples from anyone ... Always created my own stuff ...
Listening to this is mind blowing, to know that there are people out there stealing music from established artists and then pitch up or down and sell it to producers for profit it's disgusting really
You would be surprised how often industry dudes re pitch or re instrument
Don’t fw pain man BECAUSE DAM THAT HURT 🙏 yall PRODUCERS 😂
DJ pain that's the first time I've listened to your videos I been a producer for number of years and I really liked what you doing educating people on the business side of music and you telling the Cold Truth man some of these people so ignorant they think they can just use anybody's music and make money off of it and do anything they want to and claim it you schooling these young cats man in the game keep on doing the good work brother great videos 👍
All facts! Great video.
Appreciate it!
Thumb nail funny tho 🤣
I am a beatmaker and try to make my own Loops as often as possible.
I don't even want a other tag on my beats than mine.
well you shouldn't be using anything that calls itself a loop anyway. a loop _to me_ has always been nothing more than a simple melody. you want to use involved and layered pieces of actual music that call themselves samples.
also not right to request your tag with the producers if making samples. sample/loop makers need to stop trying to be the stars, because they're not. samples makers are the supplier we keep silent and go after records not attention on some type beat. you working with bums dude.
@@selfishbeats yeah sample. Whatever.
You are right. In nearly every "Free Sample pack" is required, that you write producer X SAMPLEMAKER or some shit.
And I don't want that.
Simply lern how to make Samples and you don't have to split ever again man.
Your absolutely right! I work in sync for tv and film and you absolutely cannot use samples at all. Too many records have caused issues that it’s basically banned unless the film company wants to get it cleared. In that case they contact the artists first, then have a dedicated producer sample it. I love working with samples, but I know they have their place, and unfortunately they don’t work in the domain I need to be in. I will use them only for social media purposes and even then, Only ones I get cleared or purchased but never splice or any services. It’s not worth it at least in my case.
Big ups on being a real boy. Happens all the time. Speak it!
Them ain’t loopmakers. They just lazy lol