HOW TO POWER ANY BUSKING SPEAKER
Vložit
- čas přidán 20. 05. 2019
- THREE THINGS YOU NEED:
1. Pure Sine-Wave Inverter 600W ~$100
2. Deep Cycle Battery (Lead Acid Battery) 38Ah ~$70
3. Power Board (with Surge Protection) $5
INVERTER SIZING:
Look at Peak Power (W), this one is 600W peak.
My AER Compact 60 says 150W on the back. This one works great for me,
The Yamaha DBR12 Speaker in the video is rated at 1000W power, but in reality uses a-lot less.
This 600W inverter seems to do fine.
BATTERY SIZING:
Get a 12V Deep Cycle battery from 14Ah in Size, up to 80Ah+ THEY ALL WORK THE SAME!
Larger batteries with higher AMP HOUR's will LAST LONGER, but will be HEAVIER.
This 38Ah battery last's me 10hrs+ busking with my small amp and pedals!
Small Speaker: AER Compact 60/3
Large Speaker: Yamaha DBR12 Powered Speaker
Mixer: Allen Heath Zed10-60FX
Hope this helps!! Put any questions below and ill try my best! - Hudba
Large Speaker test with Mixer skip to 5:34
I tested our setup with a W meter and our Blackstar Artist amp is only pulling about 60W. My inverter is about 87% efficient so we are pulling about 69W out of the battery.
W (Watts)=Volts x Amps. So your battery is say 40amps x 12.5V=500w/69W=7.2 hours of use from a full charge. Your big speaker is similar to ours and it uses less than 100W to make enough sound for the street. I have to admit I questioned the hell out of that and disbelieved the Watt meter I had but it nailed everything else perfectly. So I concluded that they must have some other way of classifying speaker power than power use. It makes no sense to me at all but with your ear drums bleeding it is only using about 150-200W.
Long story short assuming your inverter can actually produce 300w (Many absolutely don't)you have enough of power to run 2 of those speakers and your PA and guitar amp if you want. But I possibly would not recommend running any of these cheap inverts too hard. Mine included and it's not cheap. This will mean you are pulling about 27-30 amps from your battery which will be getting near a small battery's limit for constant current draw.
I highly recommend anyone getting an inverter to buy a Watt meter. They are fantastic.
@Greyham Moongan No
@@toast47624 Hi, could you advise me please on the battery I would need for my p.a and mixer? Would be so grateful. I'll give you details if you get back to me. Thanks Sean
@@hanf71 Hi Sean. If I were to build another one spend the money and buy a Lithium battery. Our battery is a 130AH lead acid and since I built it I too have learnt a great deal. Lead acid (PB) batteries should never go below 12.2v the inverter will take them down to 11.5v. This has happened a few times now and it has defiantly reduced the capacity of the battery. I spent good money on that battery too. It was by no means the cheapest on the market.
We recently busked for 5 hours running 2x Guitar amps, 2x DB F12 speakers, 1x Tablet and the Presonus desk. By the end of it the battery was down to 12.2v.
Frankly something like this would possibly do the job and far cheaper than building one. Just remember to never ever let a battery go flat! That's any battery I mean.
www.aliexpress.com/item/32958194801.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3dc0624cmegPU7&algo_pvid=ff788ae1-24d6-45c8-b08c-4403eca748a7&algo_expid=ff788ae1-24d6-45c8-b08c-4403eca748a7-2&btsid=0b0a557016206787029244721e0a94&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
@@toast47624 Hi mate, can you please help me with choosing busking batteries….? We want to use Yamaha pas 600BT (680w),and one keyboard and one electric guitar, hopefully play for three hours or more. Please 🤥
Finally a simple explanation to busking setups! Thank you!!
Youre welcome mate!!!
for real, even the forum people don't know how to simplify it.
Thanks for sharing your set up. This is the second one with a pure sine inverter and battery. It seems simple and straight forward.
Very good info ...I've got a small 8 ch mixer and a Boss Katana 50w amp..just bought the same inverter as you have...band on the beach tonight! THANKS mate! On ya!
Thank you for this video man! Your video was an inspiration to get what we need and start playing out on the street! Wish you the best!
Thanks for the info 🙏 Happy Busking 👍😎
Super helpful Tom, thank you for sharing the knowledge
This cleared up so much things for me, thanks a lot!! :)
Thanks I have been wondering about how to set up for busking. So yeah this is very helpful
Very helpful Tom. Keep it up ✌️
This is brilliant and has been invaluable thankyou.
greets from Mexico! really useful video... this is the things that are valuable in internet... may you get spiritual and financial success!
Great demo......thanks. I have a Bose L1 and am looking at ways to power it up with battery.........much appreciated.
Freaking amazing! Nice setup!
Really helpful mate, thank you.
Sweet set up mate
Really helpful_
I'm thinking to go out on our local streets(Busking) someday that was helpful@
Thanks so much. Great video, Simple and straight forward. Great info.
I actually picked up a battery and an inverter, works great. Thanks.
Thanks dude!! that's help a lot. 👍👍
Great info!
Thanks!...this is helpful
Tom I have two Aer amps compact 60s and I’m running a total of 120 watts. There’s 60 W that each speakers required using a 300 W. Pure sine inverter. My battery is a MIADY 36 Ah 460 .8 . Wat At 60% audio power it works from 4 to 7 hr. Life04 Lithium battery. It’s very important to charge at 2 Amps. Slow charges best.
very helpfull borther thank you so much!!
Thanks Tom I might try this,I have a Roland cube street ex I use while I’m busking in Brisbane, have been busking with it about 5yrs, it’s a great amp,I will definitely try your set up ,thanks mate
no worries Mike! Nice one! If you have any other q's hit me up :)
@@tomsoutheymusic cheers mate
How long does your battery take to change,and how many hrs do you roughly get mate
Great video 👍
very helpful thanks.
Thanks I’m looking at a small dj set up powering smaller speakers and a laptop. This just may do for a couple hours.
Yesss. Thanks man
Hey this was sick thanks!
Super helpful!!! Thank you so much! p.s beaut guitar playing
greetings from California.... lovely accent...
Brill video, top shelf...Thanks Tom, keep on Rockin & Rollin....Peace Crazyhorse ✌️ ❤️. 🎼. 🤙.
Haha thankyou! Stay Crazy 🤘🤘
I am in Montreal Canada. I’ve been using a 3000 watt inverter with 2 used deep cycle marine batteries hooked up together in parallel to run a complete JBL DJ rig for up to 7 hours at very high volume. 2x Prx512 tops, 2 x Prx518s subs, 10ch mixer, laptop, and 2 wireless Sennheiser microphones. Works flawlessly. The inverter is not a pure sine wave, but no issues at all with multiple gigs performed. 4 piece Jazz band with multiple vocals as well have rented my inverter set up..
Do you get a lot of noise out of that? I have a 1000 watt inverter and it’s very noisy. Any tips to reduce that?
Hi, I need to power a PA speaker and mixer outdoors. Can you tell me what gear I might need please?
@@hanf71 I recomend getting a portable all in one battery inverter with a Lithium ion phosphate or Lifepoe4 battery. The size will depend on how much gear you plug into it, and how long you need it to last. If you only plug in a few items that don't draw much power and use it for a few hours, I recommend a Pure Sine Wave inverter like the GoLabs i200 from Amazon, or something similar. I have 2 of these for small set ups, and larger set ups as well, and they all work great. Good luck!
@partymtl
Nice man!
Thanks for the vid, really useful, have you busked it or tested out the battery life? I'd be interested to hear how many hours you actually got out of it.
Just setup a busking rig for my son. Using a backing tracks and a Blackstar Artist 15w at volume that is possibly a bit too loud the entire system is drawing about 150w. It is a 400w rms DB speaker but clearly it's idling. I was very surprised just how little power it was actually using.
Nice one! Cheers for sharing it's impressive what you can get out of a little setup 👍
Legend.
Great Video ! Do you have a a video about on how to recharging and maintenance for the Deep Cycle Batter.Thank you
Hi, thanks for the great video!! Does this set up create any unwanted noise in the signal?? Thanks Sean
Hey man, just wondering if you managed to road test this setup and how you got on with it? Thanks for the vid!
i really like what you do man thanks its very clear now. unfortunately it gets so freaking expensive to me geting all these stuff
Cheers mate! Goodluck with it. If you're after a cheaper option. Maybe a Cubestreet? Or the Bose S1 is an all-in-1 speaker. I think JBL have just bought our a copy of it too which may be cheaper. Goodluck!
@@tomsoutheymusic thanks for replying bro yes i was eyeing the bose, its expensive but seems like a good investment. loud, clear and portable.
@@joaquinodriozola4963 just buy a orange crush mini, and use a powerbank baterie or 9V baterie they cost around 50$
How do charge the battery?
Thanks 🙏
Nice setup and great video! What pedals do you use?
hey man, thanks so much for the info. Any knowledge on car battery chargers?
Very nice video😍 📹 👍! Very informative. Can I use a smaller battery with this same inverter ? Or I need another one ?
thank you for the video, we hock up a Sears 450 inv. got a buzzing sound. I think I need a pure sign wave inv. you should me it will work.
Thank you so much for the info. I'm planning on just playing solo guitar over backing tracks with the Yamaha THR10 ii. I need to take into account the power supply which is 15V 3A which means i need a different converter... obviously right? I'm very bad when it comes to electricity
Hey great vid, how long were you getting out of that set up?
I agree a pure sine wave inverter is the way to go when using with PA equipment. Mimics the power that you get at your home. Anything else will cause unwanted hum, and isn't the best for the electronics. I use a 500w inverter, and even power a small fan that I always like to use while playing. I'm using a JBL Eon One amp, a Yamaha mixer, as well as a few other peripherals, and of course my electronic keyboard.
Yay! You said you use a pretty keyboard! :))))))))))
Yes, I do in fact think electronic keyboards are pretty :)). They sound pretty (or at least they can).
Seriously though, I've been considering trying something like this myself (although it's a bit different than what was shown here): I have a portable AC power bank, meaning that it combines batteries and inverter into a single unit. It also has USB ports for powering/charging any USB devices like a phone or computer or whatever. So the idea is to play my electronic keyboard outdoors, where there may not be power, and I can have my own little power supply in the form of my power bank. Should work well. Just haven't tried it yet. The keyboard also has its own speakers, so I do not need any fancy speaker system or anything of that nature (I'm not looking for "amazing" professional quality sound as this is all purely for the fun of playing music). I'm not even expecting an audience (my goal here isn't necessarily to attract people and gain recognition or whatever), though of course it never hurts if someone near by just so happens to hear the music and wants to listen.
Hi, I need to power a P.A speaker and mixer outdoors. Could you advise please?
wondering if you've ever put a bass guitar through your Eon One? I think these only have 8" speakers?
The original Eon One has a 10" speaker and bass is no problem. As a matter of fact, I just replaced the JBL speaker with an Eminence Neo speaker, which was a nice improvement to low end. The Eon One Compact I believe had an 8" speaker. That version has a built-in battery. JBL made the Eon One line confusing, with several variants.
Thanks for the explanation, how many hours can you perform with the battery until it is completely drained?
Hi. Good video, thanks.
I have a question. If I use a battery like that to run a car amplifier, do I need to ground it to something metal, or just to the ground connection on the amplifier?
Hey Tom I’m looking at powering my aer compact 60 as well. Any idea if the battery effects the out? I like recording my sessions to listen back, but I know there’s a chance of a constant hum from portable batteries? All the best
How long can the battery last? And how to charge the battery?
Great stuff. Have you looked into using a power bank. Im getting a Mackie profx 10 and I'd like to power it with a power bank.just curious
Very helpful - Cheers!
How long does it last with the Yamaha speaker running of the battery
Hey man thanks for the info! Do you think a 500W converter will work?
Great video. Can u plug a PA and a guiatr amp and 4 pedals off this one setup?
Hi Tom, great video, do think this set up is powerful enough to use a Nord keyboard and amp for busking? many thanks Simon
Hey bud, how do you charge the battery back up once flat? Cheers
I'm looking at powering a jbl eon 610 and about 4 9v pedals. I'm just trying to figure out how many watts I should use when it comes to getting an inverter
A very clear and nice video mate! Have you had chance to test battery life on your bigger amp and mixer setup? If so how long did it last please?
Still haven't tested this larger setup outdoors yet, as I tend to use my AER Compact 60 when busking (see my other video). But if i do in the near future i'll let you know! :)
@@tomsoutheymusic hey bro, have you tested it yet?
@@bladeleo71 Would like to know too
Wow the bigger setup sound super nice. What type of reverb settings used on the mixer?
Just a Preset Hall Reverb on the mixer :)
How many hours would it last using this set up (Speaker, mixer, RC-300 and other 9V pedals)? Did you give it a try yet?
How long it can works with 2 speakers 2000w?
With two of this Yamaha you can blow up the streets in stereo mode.
ty bruzz
Get a solar matt to feed the battery as well.
do you thinnk the same setup will power a roland cube 30 and a mini computer with some midi keyboards? at the same time?
Hi! Is there a mixer I could use without connecting it to an external batery? I use a roland cube street so for the amp I don't need an external batery for busking, but I do want to connect more instruments to it, so I thought a mixer would be a good solution. And I wonder if it would work by just connecting it to my roland cube street.
How do you charge the deep cycle battery when it’s discharged? And how many hours of playing before it discharges?
I have a Roland cube street ex, which works on AA batteries, So all I need power for is my multi-effects pedal, and my looper pedal. I am new to running things with battery power and don’t want to mess up my pedals. Could you suggest size of battery and inverter I would need?
I think the 1000w stands for volume output not power usage.
Thanks for the video. Everything I have already has it's own batteries EXCEPT for my mixer. (+I now ur supposed to use a sine wave invertor for music equipment..) Big question is, if I was using a portable camping AC powerbank, would I still need a sine wave inverter if the only thing I plugged into it was an analog mixer? (although it does have built in FX if that matters..?)
Hey mate! Sorry for the slow reply. You'd prrooobably be ok. If it's just the mixer.
It's mainly speakers that are best on "pure sinewave" because they have magnets and coils inside :)
I'd say it should be okay? But I can't be sure. There's a chance you might get some hum or noise from your mixer (potentially..)
38 Amp hour - be ineresting to hear what that would acquaint to in real time with that set-up.
Thanks for an amazing video.. Was wondering about busking equipment and this one really helps... Can we make do with the battery alone or is the inverter mandatory?
The inverter is pretty much essential!
The inverter turns the battery into a wall outlet in essence. Without the inverter, the device simply won't work as you're using DC current on a speaker thats probably designed to have AC!
Good luck!
@@tomsoutheymusic Ah ok got it. Thanks
Would my 180W Fishman performer work on this? It’s a one box PA system.
Tha is for this. How many plugs can you run? Like an amp and a mixer?.I don't have a dual amp n mixer...
Do you busk with the tele? How did it go with the 1000 watt pa speaker? Please do a video of you transporting your rig to the gig...
Saludos ,cuanto tiempo te dura la carga de la batería?
Great information! Have you tried something like the Bose S1 Pro, JBL EON ONE Compact or EON ONE PRO?
I've tried the S1 and it's pretty great for its size and ease of use! Not as loud as the AER but excellent value!!
It looks like your inverter doesn't have a grounding option but mine does, what do I do about this? any help would be appreciated
Can anyone explain where the advantages for a PA system is.. Would it not be muche more easier to by something like Roland street Ex? Best regards
Hey Dude! I dig this video! Where did you buy from your battery? Can you give me a link pls?
Hey man, I actually bought this one in Aldi. (supermarket that also sells random things). But you should be able to find similar elsewhere, search "38aH Deep Cycle Battery"
awesome video thank you : ) quick question, how does one recharge the battery after it runs out of juice?
You're not gonna believe this, but you need to use a battery charger 😛
Hey dude, how do you work out how much power you need, for how long it'll run and what would blow the system?
Hi there
Just wondering what the Yamaha amp sounds like in person and the price of one of those things in Australian
How long will this battery last if fully charged and playing reasonably loud?
Can I power and run a msi laptop and a 600watt active speaker on a 500watt inverter and roughly how long with a battery last me as im starting to do this and doing some research
Thanks mate! Appreciate that.
It might be a stupid question but, how do I charge the battery??
Cheers bruv!
You can buy a 12v Battery Charger, or a Trickle Charger (same thing just charges slow). You can find these at car parts stores or hardware stores!
@@tomsoutheymusic Mine never worked very well. It never gets fully charged. You're lucky if there's enough power generated to start a vehicle after the battery goes dead.
@@JoeDoe2
If the battery goes dead, then of course it's not gonna start a car
Can we plugged 2 amps like yours on the same battery?
The black switch on your powerboard is an overload trip - all powerboards must have one.
A surge protecting circuit is a different device.
You can estimate the life of the power supply by knowing the power consumption. You can either work it out roughly by looking at the power consumption on the panel of the each device and multiplying it by the percentage volume/capacity you set the device at.
38 Ahr at 12 volts = 456 Whr
So you could theoretically run a 456 Watt load/device for 1 hour. Or 45.6 Watts for 10 hours.
This doesnt include the losses by the inverter so the life of the battery may be about 3/4 of these values depending on how efficient your inverter is
(also the power output of your PA is different from the power consumption so you should use the rating or power consumption value written on the back of the equipment. That is, your PA delivering 1000W is not going to consume 1000W. The specification say that it consumes 18W on idle and a maximum of 74W at 1/8 power)
hey tom! question for you, would my 800w Digital modified sine wave inverter work on a Laney ah40 amp? sorry I just find it all very hard to understand and there doesnt seem to be good info online about amps and digital quasi sine wave inverters
Hey Mel! I think the answer is, it would probably work.. it's just not as preferable as a pure sine wave. So this could mean you might get potentially get some humming noises or it might be a little inefficient. It all depends on the quality of the modified sinewave inverter.
People do use them! They're cheaper. But the electricity they output can be further from what your amp is used to, coming straight out the wall!
Hope that helps!
Tom
Can you use vocal and guitar pedals with the AER setup?
Hey Jane! I use lots of pedals and a vox harmony pedal when I play. Works fine on the same set-up. :) pedals are only a very small load.
Thanks. Do you have to use a mixer if your speaker has the input channels? Presumably I just use the power supply direct to the speaker and use the speaker mixer.
Yeaah you can use the PA mixer that works too!
Can you power a pair of JBL EON 15"? How long would last?
How many times do you get to use the battery before you have to recharge it?
4 year later - so, did it work over time? is the battery safe to use in the hot sun?
Can i connect the Yamaha psr 900 keyboard to this battery
how long can you last with that battery and the yamaha speaker at high volumes