I bought a Yamaha R7 a year and a half ago. While it was a good bike, after riding a 600 I traded it immediately for a CBR600RR and have no regrets. Parallel twins will never have the same feel as a inline 4, the sound, looks, and overall experience is way more exciting.
Totaled a 2015 R6,used the insurance money on a 2017 FZ09, less than 4 months I traded my mFZ09 in for a 2011 GSXR 600 never looked back. Can't beat the excitement on a 600
Completely AGREE, a high revving Honda makes a song/experience un-matched by any twin or triple for that matter.
My buddy bought an R7 for his first bike and almost immediately wanted to sell it for a 600.
Can never and will never agree! 600 will always have its purpose
@@yammienoob it will always have its place! From the sound to the speed it’s an amazing bike in the City and still can stretch its legs when needed. Plus you still get to shift gears while driving slow unlike liter bikes
@@yammienoob if you think 600cc have no place on the street than what about 1k cc hahah
@@yammienoobof course they do. A lot of people love the 600 class, just like the rest of them
i agree that an 660 will be more fun on the street than a 600 but theres riders out there who just simply want a 16000 redline
I thought this video was going to be about how 600cc is too much, but nah it's because 660cc is better lmao
Yammie has been throwing heavy shots at 600’s lately
@@micahgorbics8556 bro enjoy the bike all he’s saying is it’s not a street bike but a track bike and that don’t mean u can’t use it on both plus they r hella fun so jus rev the fuck out of it and have fun bro
Yammie shouldn’t speak for us asians. Maybe american’s don’t need 600s but us oooh… we are even happy with kawis inline 4 250s even made us happy with the coming zx4rr
Yami has really been on a anti-600 kick lately... This just seems like HE doesn't need more speed. With all his experience of riding he just doesnt get the same enjoyment that he use to.
Yammie is just one of them annoying guys that thinks he is the only person that can handle a high powered motorcycle and will always try to sell the idea of more mundane alternatives to his viewers.
What nonsense are you speakin. Somebody get this man a snickers. We will always need our 600 rocket
What are you missing? The fucking feeling of a screaming inline 4!!!
My first bike after my licence (uk) was a 600 and its the perfect beginner cc. Not too much power and nice n light.
I dailyed a 600cbr. Even did two round trips from San Diego to Vegas. He exaggerates how uncomfortable the ergonomics are. And to argue that a twin has better street application I’d ask ‘how so?’ “It can rip off the line faster cuz of torque” to go where? You’ll be at speed limits in seconds anyway
Yammie . . . No 600s, then you could say the same for 1000s.
Noooooo, the 600 still has purpose
@@Illness.og. no but maybe in the future, but my dad has had one for 5 years and said it's the most fun you can have (on a track) and it's always a great laugh
Couldn’t agree more. As awesome as the R6 performs (and looks 👍), it’s more enjoyable on the track where the rider can really open it up and experience the R6’s fullest potential.
Sadly 600s have been neglected for some time now, when your litre bikes aren’t much heavier than your 600s and have far more power and tech it kind of reduces them to be glorified trainers for those looking to ride litre bikes without looping them down the road.
Yeah disagree many a liter man has come unstuck on a 600cc because they can't ride. A 600cc is totally different to ride than a ltr bike.
I learned that street bike and track bike are entirely different animals. I tried to make a dual purpose bike, but as the build went on, I was riding it less and soon it was collecting dust.
It’s hilarious that this dropped literally within an hour of me buying a 1997 rizla livery gsxr 600 😂
There is other inline 4 600cc bikes than only SuperSports, like my cbr 600f 2011.. great little sport tourer :) still looking to buy zx6r at some point :D
I do like my Z650, especially for the daily commute. It’s very much like the equivalent of a V8 car in that you don’t need to wring it’s neck to move fast. I still find myself desiring a a 600 super sport though for the weekend ride just because of the sound and sometimes it’s fun to get up it for the rent!
My first bike was a z650 and I loved it. Recently got a ninja 600 and love it even more
A 600 supersport will leave your 650 in the dust to the point you will be like wow did that just happen. Totally different bikes to ride as in polar opposite. They handle different as there alot stiffer, they accelerate and break harder, there so much fun but you will know it after a long ride in your back and legs especially, that's just to do with the more aggressive seating position. I highly recommend getting one.
Z650 is my first bike, had it for about a year and a half. It's great all around, but I'd love to get a CBR650R. Still comfy with more zip and a buttery i4? Plus better wind protection AND more annoying oil changes??? Sounds pretty great for the most part.
I ride a 22 Tuono 660 factory, and it’s a great beginner bike and a comfortable ride. The highway is not so fun because of the wind, ok it’s fun on the highway, too, without getting into too much trouble, but it’s a city bike with enough power to have some fun.
I am convinced he is just making videos to make us rage! The way things are is perfection! You can have as little or as much hp as you want!
Come to me you sweet BMW S 1000RR!! Power to the people!
1k and 600 bikes have a place in the twisties. On streets, like normal highways and city streets they dont
04 R6 owner here. It's boring on the streets unless you're breaking laws. Track is where it belongs.
Im sorry but at this point I’m thinking, “what did 600’s do to you to make you hate riding them on the street so badly”. Don’t drink the punch people, you’ll be missing out on SO MUCH FUN. Supersports are awesome on the track and a blast on the street.
The same with 2 stroke bikes leaving the street, more competition, more products, more selection will always advance things the fastest and there may be a reason to spring for one vs the other but no need to completely remove them from the market, like a gas vs diesal truck
Arguably, DOHC inline fours were ALWAYS overkill for the streets, in every displacement, and including a lot of iconic bikes from the Big Four. Twins and singles for the streets, as Harley-Davidson, Triumph and others had long tried to do. The bikes coming out these days, including the Aprilia shown here, are spiritual successors to those twins of old.
Coming from the guy with 6 bikes to choose from and the money for track days, I can’t say I agree with your opinion. Most people have 1 bike and want to experience the power of a 600 and are willing to deal with the uncomfortable aspects. That’s the whole reason the WRX is so popular. Are there far more comfortable cars out there? Yes. Are the average WRX buyers taking them to a track regularly? No. But people *want* that sports car feel it can provide at a great price, and it’s the obvious choice for someone who’s only going to own one car.
NGL, Yammy seems pretty out of touch these days. Preaches “get a slow bike” but then rides 600’s and liter bikes on the track regularly, and fires his turbo hyabusa down the highway. Yeah, I’m sure for him it’s a no brainer to have a comfy bike when he has access an arsenal of two wheeled missiles in the same garage he can use any time, and regularly does.
@Yammie Noob that's what you got out of his comment? lol have you always been like this?
@@yammienoob its 100 hp, so at the wheel that is what, around 75-80 hp?.....I'm sorry but THAT IS SLOW.....
@@slimfit767 I guess speed is relative, but objectively 75-80 hp at the wheel is low power...there is just no arguing that...
Getting on the track 4 times a year is a ton for your average street rider. It is once a month, during riding season, up in these parts.
I need a 600 because my mom would kill me if I got a 1000
Won't have any other bike than a 600cc.
600cc just make very low torque at low to mid rpm. In a way, they are kind of weak for the street.
CZcamss ads are on point. I got an Touno 660 ad the moment Yammie hoped on and peeled out of the parking lot🤣
That Aprilia motor sounds fantastic.
For a dude who's so moved on from supersports he sure does feel the need to explain himself a bunch, almost like he's still trying to convince himself.
I just can't do a parallel twin, I've tried, but it sounds like half an engine and I can't get passed it on the road, I need the refinement of an inline 4
Once i started doing trackdays, i realized that supersports have no place on the streets.. UNTIL i rode my GSXR 250 1990. its so much fun on the streets. 4 cylinder 45 Hp 17000 rpm.
we always will need 600 class
I don’t understand why we can’t have 600cc engines in a naked bike set up? Why could you not have an R6 or CBR600RR engine in a naked bike? Best of both worlds. Make it happen
The only bike for the street is a turbo busa. Everything else it just a moped. 😤
I thought bikes where about wants not needs? Would it be a better idea to compare the r6 to an r7?
some people are still not willing to give up that inline 4 sound and character, me included.
Sorry this is just a shitty take. Motorcycles are first and foremost fun vehicles, not transportation. The 600 is plentiful and accessible, delivers insane performance for the price, and sounds great. It’s not going anywhere
I’d like to see you do a segment that highlights the notion of different ways of riding a sports bike. It seems we only see them as quasi racers where we ride like headless chickens as the bike screams its tits off underneath us, progressively destroying each system as we push everything to the extreme. What about the idea of just riding at pace - constant - using nothing more than subtle pressure on the bars? No dramatic braking or accelerating. It’s great for covering a lot of ground in comfort not bathed in adrenaline, cortisol or dopamine - just a job well done.
Good video I just wish more channels included the prices in the comparisons!
One thing matter too, here in europe, sooooo much radar and stuff to moderate speed, i m 100% following. Rather get an excellent road bike not too powerfull, that i can enjoy, than beeing frustrated on a 1000 RSV4 with hurting back and not even beeing able to leave first gear when having fun...
Tuono is perfect for that and my bro went with RS cuz he still like racy position more. But honestly the 800 brutale Rosso is lurking at me!
I have a buddy who has a R7 and he road my cbr600 and was blown away with the way it feels in comparison … if yku honestly think that 600s are out… your not riding it right
Yammie, what’s the best motorcycle to get after I started on a 125cc grom?
Sounds like what Yam is saying is the panigale v2 is all we need
600 are the best class 😊
For the street, you're right. Naked bikes with more upright seating positions are more comfortable. But head to a track and the supersport will blow it out of the water. Supersports will always have their place, papa yam.
Not just ergonomics, the 600cc i line 4 are not made to make much torque at low to mid rpm, so they are kind of weak for the street compared to the twin cylinders.
Not really, guys on supersports and superbikes get whooped by guys on slower bikes who actually know how to ride.happens all the time.
Well, to be fair. 600s never every were intended for street use. They were homologated race bikes. Even more than 1000cc sport bikes
Makes sense that it doesn't make any sense on road
Yammie : we have moved on from 600
Also yammie : I love Triumph Daytona
daytona isn't a classic 600cc inline-4 tho, it's a 675cc triple, much more like a twin in character
@@AntaresSQ01wouldn't yammie like something like a panigale v2 for an upgrade from the Daytona because of it's similar powerband too ?
all i need is either a cbr 650 or rs 660 or a street triple i love these...!
600s are very sport oriented and best suitable for the track, HOWEVER i had the same gen R6 and now i have cbr600rr and im riding them on the street and they are awesome. People are getting softer and softer with more complains about everything, just stfu and ride whatever you want.
I have a Tuono 660 and it’s my first bike. I love everything about it, but I’ve only done about 1200 miles and I already want faster bike like a 600 super sport or liter bike. Maybe I’ll go for the RSV4. I don’t care what Yammy says. 4 cylinders will always be better than 2.
Id rather have it than not need it, than need it and not have it. I think the theme of not being able to use a 600 on the street is in fact wrong. I have a R6 that i ride daily in a small town with moderate speed limits and bang through all the gears and have plenty of fun. I know i'm not gonna fully use the RPM range or the riding postion maybe akward or not optimal. But thats the charm of owning something fast. They are never practical, theyre not supposed to be and thats klinda the point. Its the potential of the machine and if everyone starts buying these easier to ride, subdued machines, theyre just gonna mod them back to what the R6 is anyways because thats what excites people some people. These bikes are great for the market tha wants them and should be celebrated.
How many videos are you going to make about this topic?! I am still going to watch it but we get it.
Papa yams 🍠 your killing me. I love my 600rr. I’d never give it up.
Love my ZZR600, will never let her go, but I will consider owning other configurations as well.
600 cc is way more relevant than liter bikes. If you're talking about usable power on the streets.
I currently have a little Z400, but I had the FZ07 in 2014 and put 21,000 kms in a year and a half. I've also had the KLX250SM after that, a 1977 TS185 2 stroke before that, a little 49cc Honda Dio scooter, and am actually adding a Royal Enfield 350 Meteor as a second bike in like a week.
600cc inline 4 might not be your cup of tea, but they are super relevant due to insurance prices and power ratio.
I agree full fairing bikes are uglier, but they also deflect wind more and blow the doors off 700cc twins.
They will walk away with such ease as soon as you're at 80kmph compared to a twin with 100ccs more.
If I was a young guy again I'd just go for a GSXR 750 rather than a 600. I don't think the price would be much more and in my opinion I'd have an all around much better bike if I was just using it on the street.
Agreed. The 600cc powerbands are not fun around town.
what's NEED got to do with anything??
In Sweden it's almost impossible to legally ride a supersport on the street because insurance is mandatory and it's practically impossible to find an insurance company willing to insure one
Next week on yemi knew why you need a 600cc
Didn't even watch the video. 600cc is the only class I'll need
I think yes! I have a Tuono 660, I added the quick shifter and the IMU for like $500. The only thing is the elephant in the room. It is a dog in second gear and between 5,000 and 6,000 RPM. I am hopping after the warranty is up I can update the mapping and lose the flat spot. Anyhoo I just keep it between 6,000 and 10,000 and it is fine.
Unfortunately the euro5 and BS6 standards have screwed up so many incredible engines with poor mapping, it's really a shame.
Nice salesman pitch
I love 600cc sports bikes, I don’t mind if a bike is slightly more street oriented i.e like 636, but the parallel twin just doesn’t do it for me.
This is anti-600cc propaganda aimed to poison the minds of young riders
You don't make sense. We don't NEED motorcycles at all. We WANT them, in every type and size, LOL...
Couldn't we limit our 600cc bikes to those still in production?
Nothing other then a liter bike excited me since i started riding. The r6 doesn't need traction control with all that 40tq
I kind of agree. An r6 or an r1 is a great second motorcycle. Fz09 for street riding, and an r1 for spirited highway riding.
I think you make a lot of valid points, but RN I'm focusing on track stuff, so if I can spend more time on a track bike without entirely yeeting myself into the scenery, I'll take it. My 600 isn't going anywhere
Says Yammy while blasting an R1M going to walmart
@Yammie Noob im saying you usually daily high cc bikes is a bit contradicting 😂
So, I just started riding a Ninja 650 after only riding dirt bikes. Ride it through town to work on any day I can and along twisty backroads. I appreciate how easy the bike is, but it does feel sluggish. Would it be smart to trade the light handling for the slightly extra power of the Ninja 1000 SX that also has the sport touring in mind? Or might that be more boring due to the extra 100lbs?
Was in same boat....dirt bikes my whole life....last year bought a duke 890R as my first street bike......its got some power but wouldnt consider it crazy or unmanageable
It's all perception based off one's experience so always going to get a wide spectrum of opinions on any given bike or class
A motocross bike is un believably quick off the line....
Wind is only thing bothersome on street bike, not used to being blown around like a puppet
get a CBR f4i. You get a nice fully faired package, comfy ergos that you can tour on, and a wonderful 600cc power plant with plenty of low-end torque as well :D
Fr ur looking for a 600 . There is nothing like a 600 off the line 636 r6 and the f4i arewat ur searching for 600 class is different man and you can still get nice later models without rider aids....you will feel lucky to be alive when you finish a ride on a proper 600.
Furthering the evidence that my humble Benelli TNT600 is the perfect formula hehe... it's a 600cc i4 streetfighter that's making a little less power and geared such that 1st takes you to the 13000RPM redline at just 60mph. I can ride it on pretty much any back road and bang through a few gears easily- and have all the excitment doing it! The answer to make a 600 more streetable is really just lower gearing IMO.
only Yammie Noob feels this way 💀
yup, prefer usable low-end to mid-range torque than high-end horsepower
I and a lot of people here disagree with you. I think you may have lost your marbles there bud
That Aprilia looks kind of like a race bike, then when you see it ride away and hear the sound, you get a Harley vibe, not for me.
Yammie, come ride my BMW XR1000 in Tennessee. Hit me up.
Yammies Dunkin’ on brokies now 😂 yams buy me a bike or I’m getting the 600
Nah dude, I've ridden almost every engine configeration at this point and absolutely nothing beats the inline four scream at high rpm and then burble and complain as you slow down for a light. It's a goddamn near spiritual experience for me and I get it everyday I ride to work 😅
Fortunately I ride an old 2003 Aprilia sl1000 falco with a performance chip and cans...All the power of a 750 but vtwin, hybrid riding position and cheap ass insurance, not to mention the bulletproof 60 degree rotax engine. Highly recommend! 😁
Bro is MAD prepping for ZX4R Content🤣here I am about to get a ZX6R
No, We don't Need Yammi Noob anymore. How many years of vast knowledge do you have? DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME!!!
Residential neighborhood 75 mph "gentle street pace". Nice.
This latest industry trend towards slower bikes will only work for beginners and old people lol. There's no way in hell young riders are downgrading from 600's to 650's (R7, Ninja 650, RS660
) en masse.
This is further proof that Kawasaki is completely gigabraining their new ZX4-RR. In a few years there's gonna be a lot of people bored of the linear delivery of a twin and no options for a proper screamer... except the ZX4 and ZX6R(if it sticks around) ;)
Everyone's placing their bets that the 600 class is dying and unfun, while Kawasaki knows people are gonna miss that excitement and are putting themselves in a super strategic position for the next five or so years here... I'm excited to see how this all unfolds.
Yammie thinks he is only person buying motorcycles. Not everybody is the same size and has the preferences as you dude.
His word is gospel. He is the final word, when it comes to all things bikes.
The only thing I don't like about the loss of supersports is the trickle down detuned engine options that usually make their way into FZ6/FZ1 type sport touring bikes that can still rip. Long live the inline 4 cylinder! :)
Hey I'm happy with my 2016 street triple 675 r have a few mods more than stock hp tons of torque .plan to add new velocity stacks CD and Daytona cams.
I rode a zx6r at a demo event and it was a great bike. I loved the sound and power but for daily riding it just doesn't suit me. I got a ninja 650 and while I'd like more power, it more than performs on the street and I'm not leaving tons of rpms, horsepower, and money on the table like a 600 or 1L. Plus the 650 is more comfortable for commuting. The seat on the 6R feels much wider, but its comfortable in motion. In stop and go traffic however the 6R seat just isn't as comfortable as the 650, and you are REALLY missing out on power because it never gets a chance to get moving. All that being said if money wasn't a concern I'd have a 600 or 1000 as part of my garage, it just doesn't make sense to me as an only bike
Does anyone know where yam buys his fairing kits?
I totally agree that 600's are no longer necessary. I'm super excited for you to take a spin on the CF Moto 450SS.
MV Agusta 675 or 800cc inline 3's (or any triple) are the correct answer. Perfect sweet-spot of torque, power, and sound.
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I'd smoke that 660 after 40mph ok my r6
My R6 Handled Just Fine on the Street and the suspension was great and yes uncomfortable but had a good rip on it at takeoff’s and yes absolutely I can see that the 660 is a comfortable ride for a hey check me out and I suppose it sounds ok 👌
No more 600’s 😢😢😢😢