QWERTY versus Stenography on Steno Arcade
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Here I go against myself in the easiest song of the Steno Arcade demo. You can see the speed and comfort of stenography over QWERTY in terms of overall hand movement as well as accuracy and typo-correction. I was a little nervous so neither was a perfect run!
I average about 95WPM in QWERTY on TypeRacer, and 140WPM in steno on TypeRacer, but it's a little different than writing a song as it's playing.
Learn more about the free game, Steno Arcade: stenoarcade.com
Want to learn stenography? You can do it for free with help from opensteno.org
Questions? Tweet me, @morinted
Steno rhythm game... That's genius!
Until you realise how much stenographs cost. Man the concept is great but those machines are damn expensive.
@@generalyido Professional stenographs do cost absurd prices, but the open steno project allows a few alternatives for those who want to try out stenography as a hobby
The free and open source software Plover can turn any qwerty keyboard into a stenograph, you can find that here: github.com/openstenoproject/plover
I recommend getting the latest weekly release from here to be sure that you get all of the latest features: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/releases
If you are wanting to try out stenography, make sure that your keyboard has n-key rollover, meaning that your keyboard can detect more that 6-8 keys being held down at once, you can check that here: gadzikowski.com/nkeyrollover.html
My keyboard supports 30 key rollover, but as long as your keyboard supports more than 10, it should be more than enough for stenography
And there are plenty of people making diy or prebuilt steno keyboards made to work specifically with Plover, many of which start around $80-$100, you can find some of those here: github.com/openstenoproject/plover/wiki/Supported-Hardware
Plover ($0) plus The Uni V4 ($100) is all you need.
gather at the plover discord and make it happen!
I love how in steno run he adds extra dots and exclimaton mark on last sentences to add emotional context to the text
While using the stsnotype, I just realized I reached 295 wpm.
I bet you're not using it right now, unless you're finger spelling the stenotype.
How to you work the Treal with this game I'm trying to get it to work but can't. Help, please.
“stsnotype” that’s some weird dictionary entry
so you made this comment in 2 seconds
@@laurarios9383 I had a stroke reading that
For those wondering the song is I'm Your Moon by Jonathan Coulton.
The steno is just satisfying. It's crazy how your hand movement is minimal yet so much speed.
I was curious, if I start learning steno from scratch, typing 2 hours a day, how long would it take me to reach 180 wpm? I'm 28, male, 50 wpm sustained speed currently on a QWERTY.
I get it's very subjective but from your and others' experience, give me a range.
Thanks.
Ethiopiawiw don’t you love it when op likes your comment but doesn’t bother responding to your question?
@@Stormy-qw9wr We were here before the Internet tech and keyboard usage was mainstreamed. It has always been here since before you were born. It would be a shame if you didn't adapt slightly better than your pre-generation ;)
Bro I'm 13 and I type 100 words a minute.
@@Sendittothemoon I'm in my 20s and type 170 wpm.. what's your point?
Probably about a year, possibly a bit longer depending on how dedicated you are. Nail the theory first and never skip a day of practicing and it could happen within 8 months. QWERTY speed has nothing to do with writing on a stenograph.
For anyone asking he's using a Tréal Steno keyboard.
I wanna get one of these and learn how to use them. It'd be neat to type at least 50% faster if not more. Also I would think that the steno board would be less prone to typos for me.
Can't really typo when you're writing full words using a single combination...
absolutely no advanced functions though
@@eliepvp1276 I could still type the wrong words, so typos exist.
@@User-wj7vx easy, macros!
@@User-wj7vx There are many people who use stenographs as their only computer keyboard, most stenography software allows certain chords to be programmed to normal keyboard functions instead of words
QWERTY can be a lot more natural if proper hand position is used alongside proper use of each finger
Tell that to someone with dispraxia.
wow you are fast. I'm writing this on a 400srt with Plover... I hope to get as good as you, I've only been at it for a few days and writing any thing takes ages!! Of course because I have to think before every key and look at the keyboard :P
@@ArtofChording
Thank you for that info, I just signed up but I am pretty clueless about Discord. I am on one other Discord, 420vapezone, but my knowledge is sparse at best. I will keep trying.
Dude, I come heat just to listen to the song. I wish I could download it
very nice song
How long would you say it takes to learn before it becomes more efficient than typing?
Link to the steno keyboard?
The macbook user types letters with their left forefinger, traditionally typed with the right forefinger (h and y).
Typing on a macbook is like trying to drink out of a pot. You should type a bit on a mechanical full-sized keyboard and also learn to use more than 3 fingers.
Yeah the Steno is so much faster because his fingers barely had to move across it and he got the words down really fast.
Mechanical keyboards are matter of personal preference. I have never enjoyed them that much, and I have tested 4 different switches and 3 different brands. My personal best typing score (179 wpm on 10FastFingers) was done on a Macbook Pro keyboard. Steno sure looks interesting though, I am just discovering about it but will definitely do some reading :)
Also, it has to do with QWERTY being outdated. Colemak is best for English, as you don't leave the home row for most letters, since it puts the most common letters there and next to each other. It's fun and feels natural to type.
Jimmy Bailey I’ve not heard of empirical evidence of colemak being faster. Seems like a waste to learn a new layout just for bragging rights.
My best typing record was done on a membrane keyboard. I used mechanical keyboards up to 2007.
That steno keyboard your using seems amazing. I have the Wave and it's so bulky to practice on and needs a stand. Is it well worth the money to practice on?
I think you need a keyboard that isnt a flat laptop keyboard.
I wasn’t expecting to find JoCo here but hey look at that!
Hahaha exactly what I came to say. Have not heard this song in YEARS!
This makes normal typing seem really laborious and tiring
Where did you get the steno keyboard?
It is a Tréal Steno keyboard
This song is freakin amazing. it makes no sense, but it's still cool.
EJD It's a love song from Charon to Pluto after Pluto's demotion to non-planet status.
Yas i need this keyboard
I'd say you're quite terrible at QWERTY. You're doing a hunt and peck method instead of proper typing with hands on the home row which is why your 75% accuracy is bad.Steno is faster but this isn't even a good comparison.
Someone not using home row typing doesn't necessarily mean that they have terrible speed and accuracy. I don't use home row and I hit 110 WPM with 97%+ accuracy most of the time I take typing tests.
Hank McCord lol like you'd be able to do better
Homerow is BS. Easily hit 140+ WPM without any of that shit.
That's the worst qwerty technique I've seen lol! How much is that steno machine?
That looked like a fun game but it’s been disabled. :(
it's on steam store.steampowered.com/app/449000/Steno_Arcade/
Hi what is the steno keyboard you are using?
It is a Tréal Steno keyboard
Im a big keyboard enthusiast my next poroject is making a steno style keeb im cnc roughting the case out of anode aluminum and 3d printing some other peices i will try to send you a picture somehow when i am finished great vide and check out custom keeyboards sub reddit xd
wow steno is so superiour to qwerty, as i coder (33yo) i am actualy thinking of learnig this to improve my coding speed
Steno would not work for coding very well. It's optimised for natural language. You should look into using emacs with macros and such, I can code pretty fast and pros are absolutely insane.
Steno does work for coding, at least I've seen people comfortable use it for Python
Even if u can type faster it won't increase ur coding speed, u still have to think to write code.
@@akshatghoshal6098 this may be true, but even as a decently fast typist (~80wpm) with natural language tests, I think much faster than I can type the numbers and symbols often required for coding. And for the same reason those symbols are harder to type quickly on QWERTY, I suspect they are doubly so for steno
@@samkorn4047 Coding is more than just hammering out code. You have to actually think about the code that you're writing.
I don't even think it'll be faster for coding, and even if it is, it would take so much time to learn how to be efficient with something like this and you'd never get value out of that investment of time. Because a large part of coding isn't writing new code sequentially, but editing and refactoring code. And there, the speed at which you can type is less important than the speed at which you can jump to the correct place in the document, and then type.
A lot of coders use vim or emacs to be really productive. I'm by no means a master in vim, but it's not very hard to get to a level where you can comfortably use vim to reach the same efficiency as you could in, for instance, notepad. And from there, you only get more efficient. Funnily enough, from what I've seen vim and steno are pretty similar - in steno, you chord together words, and in vim, you chord together movements and operations on characters. Vim is basically to editing what steno is to writing new text.
Why are we still using qwerty to type...... I have dispraxia dislexia and i write on how words sound like and if i would have been taught this i would have had been able to express my writing like anny one else
Which keyboard/machine are you using for steno?
@@ArtofChording How much it is? I wanna get one.
@@ArtofChording Thank you for all of the good info! Is there one website to rule them all on this subject besides the above? Thank you again, it's still a dream I'd like to realize but these days I have neither room nor money so this is offering a way.
It's a Tréal Steno keyboard
Steno rhythm game
Hello everyone this is your daily dose of Recommendation
Sad song.
hi, what’s the model of steno machine that you used in the video? Could you share the info, pls ?
It's a Treal, they aren't sold anymore. You're better off getting a more modern machine like the Uni, Ecosteno, or Splitography anyways.
@@Persun_McPersonson Got it, thanks for your reply ^^
@@cf5435
No problem, glad to help!
Where did you get the steno keyboard from?
ok.. where can I find those?
I think a planck might work for this, but you need a stenography software.
@@yensteel It might, but the gaps between the key caps are too large.
It is a Tréal Steno keyboard
The one with the darker hands can’t touch type
Art of Chording is great and I'm totally on board, but this is poor technique for typing qwerty. The right hand is clearly not as capable as the left and the left is over compensating by hitting keys like "u". The right index finger is hitting "i". It's like the whole keyboard is shifted over one column for the right hand, a column is added for the left hand, and the right hand still sits on the homing keys for some reason. It's a disingenuous comparison.
I've talked about this before but while I don't disagree with your assessment that it's not a fair comparison (because no fair comparison could really ever exist), here's my take:
1. Touch typing was invented after the typewriter and qwerty already existed.
2. In the TypeRacer competitive typing community, most of the top (150WPM+) users do not use a standard home row typing method. Take Sean Wrona as an example -- his typing is completely out of this world w.r.t. technique.
3. Ultimately, my own typing speed is limited to around 100-120WPM no matter what layout I use (I've used Qwerty, Dvorak, Colemak, Workman, and Norman). So by typing at the approximate speed that I do, it's as fair of an assessment as any.
4. I am left-handed if that helps explain anything.
5. I'm a generally fast typist compared to the masses, but slow compared to the speed typing community. My steno speed is also not outstanding by any means, and yet it's much faster than my typing speed.
6. This video is truly comparing *my* experience in steno vs qwerty. Norman would be different as it's the typing layout I use most and I type "properly" on it. The video isn't meant to show experts of either craft or anything, it's just an anecdote.
Overall, I'd welcome someone who considers themselves an expert typist to record their hands and I can record a pro stenographer's and we can create a more fair comparison!
Remis?
can steno keybaord work in other language??
Steno keyboards can work in any language. They use a custom dictionary for the key presses.
Looks like less effort on the stenography machine
I like the song
Awesome
You have to be trained to use stenography. The person using qwerty isn't a trained professional at all, he doesn't type according to the standard. It would've been a fair comparison if you put two trained professionals against each other.
the same person is typing in both styles
Steno is inherently faster, you fool.
It depends. I made myself learn to type absolutely properly on QWERTY back in the early 90s, even down to hitting the left modifier keys with right keys, and vice versa (e.g. right shift w/ the a key, and left shift with the p key), but I still don't typically type as fast as shown on the left. I'm just generally slower. I tend to type things like this comment at 80-90wpm, though I did peak once at 120wpm once, testing myself while listening to Crazy Train. That songs gets me going :)
Rap god?
song sounds a bit like tally hall
I'm Your Moon · Jonathan Coulton
Johnathan Coulton also wrote I'm still alive, for portal. He does really intense silly songs.
QWERTY typer ain't doing well haha
"Here I go against myself"
sounds whiny but steno keyboards are insanely expensive and that seems like gatekeeping
They're expensive because they don't have much demand.
Steno has disadvantage because forced waiting lol
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@@Persun_McPersonson They meant you type so fast on steno, you have to wait for a while for the next lyrics to come by.
Imma get this game, and destroy it cause i type 120wpm average :P me dont need any steno
Steno typists can get up to around 300 so...
@@Shadowflare6 i just tried it out and it was wacky, the way you have to type the word is weird ig steno is pretty cool
@@clutcheu2248 I've been learning it for the past week. It's definitely very interesting will keep at it for sure
@@Shadowflare6 you have to buy the keyboard right?
@@clutcheu2248 yeah. I bought a tinymod. It's really cool
Do gaming next. Let's see who wins.
keeb wins unless you have something like a Georgi which can rapidly switch between modes.
Anybody who isn't completely ignorant of keyboard layouts would tell you that QWERTY is inferior and has been known as such for a very long time. At the very least this should have been done as a comparison of the Steno vs a DVORAK keyboard.
Plenty of research shows that that's just bullshit, and plenty of dvorak users say exactly the same. Practicing touch typing and typing speed and accuracy is more important than which specific keyboard layout you're using.
@@alex2143 Yea, that's just not accurate. Just because you CAN become very proficient with a QWERTY layout by no means makes that the best layout for there to be. Not only is DVORAK superior to QWERTY, it isn't even the only layout that's superior. There are at least 3 that are provably superior.
@@Astraeus.. there are plenty of experts who completely disagree with you. There are plenty of studies that show that Dvorak is not measurably faster than qwerty. Any perceived benefit comes more from people actually practicing their typing skill than the specific layout they're using.
I can see you're a bit of a fanboy. That's cute, but it does blind you. You are set in your opinion and unable to accept any facts to the contrary. That sweet sweet sunk cost fallacy, amirite? Can't make it feel like you wasted your time learning Dvorak whereas you'd have been equally productive just further practicing qwerty, because you're a bigbrained individual, and bigbrained individuals don't make mistakes. Right?
@@alex2143 If I was a "fanboy" I'd probably be using a DVORAK keyboard, no? Meanwhile, without digging out the 2 I have boxed somewhere, I'm pretty sure my 4 keyboards are still all QWERTY. Don't need to be a fanboy to understand that logically, there would surely be better ways of laying out a keyboard.
Getting good with a single-action revolver or bolt action rifle will NEVER let you shoot faster than an automatic weapon. Same logic applies.
A keyboard layout that takes into account 1- the language, 2- the frequency of use for specific letters in that language, and 3- the way a hand works, should very obviously be superior. If you really don't understand how that could be possible, then by all means, kindly piss off.
@@Astraeus.. Meanwhile, actual evidence of Dvorak being measurably faster is nonexistent. But hey, who needs actual facts and evidence if you can just be a retard online.
Hi what is the steno keyboard you are using?