Star Trek: Picard Season 2, Episode 10 - re:View
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2022
- Rick and Morty talk about Star Trek: Picard's emotional finale and embarrassing conclusion. What does it all means? How does they all get to the end of the show while having all the feels and crying butterfly tears? Finally! Patrick Stewart had his say in the direction of Star Trek. He got to act and have all the character moments he always wanted! The result: A turd the size of the moon fell on my face. He rubbed his old shit in my mouth and told me that Picard's mother hanging herself was this moment in his past that made his character not have all the feels and cry butterfly tears all these years later. WOW! What a deep, complex emotional story! I farted butterfly farts! I had to watch the whole season while wearing diapers because I was shitting blood.
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Will Wheaton unironically acting like a member of the Nerd Crew is the saddest part of all this
There's a sadness behind that smile.
@@pspolygons That's the silver lining.
The funniest part is they won't even let him on any of the shows so he's just debasing himself like a good lapdog for no reason.
Its the same sadness a snake oil salesman feels after shilling some of his watered down grog
@@SeekerLancer There's one reason I can think of: $
They didn't need to inject this stilted tragic backstory to explain Picard's difficulty with romantic relationships. He's in the military, a workaholic, and puts duty over his feelings and beliefs. It's already there.
it's only there if you see Picard as a human person with human motivations and human reactions to events in his life, and not as a marketable symbol for a dying geek culture
I remember one episode he had a girlfriend that was a subordinate, which apparently starfleet allowed, and he had to send her on a mission that there was a high probability of death. The episode teased that she actually died, but turned out she survived. Afterwards they agreed it would be appropriate if she transferred to another ship, which pretty much meant the relationship was over.
But...but... Next Generation didn't spell it out, it was all there in subtext, surely patronisingly explaining it like we're idiots is better?!?
Well said
It's already there AND thoroughly explored throughout the entire series! I mean, just... *gestures broadly at Beverly Crusher* why do the writers think they never hooked up during the show (except for the final episode in the future, where they're divorced because Picard is... a workaholic military guy)?
What's frustrating is the 'tragic backstory' could have worked out, but not as some handwavey excuse. Just, as a part of his life. Not as some weird thing talking to an alien he has no history with, but as a heart-to-heart with Q, two old men near the end of their lives, letting the barriers down kind of thing, with Picard telling him things he's never told anyone since Q is one of the few people he knows that isn't some subordinate or military co-worker. This could have worked! We could have had emotional payoff! Felt feelings! DAMMIT!
It's not like Picard could be a stoic, educated and driven man who feels his duties as a captain to his crew and humanity are more important than having a fulfilling personal life. No he has mommy issues. Brilliant writing!
Or like, what if he’s ace? Does it matter? No :p
Just seems weird they’re so focused on his internal life, when it’s a Star Trek show
@@Nobody-hc2bo They're not just focused on his internal life, they're specifically keying on the fact that as mentioned above that he's not just a professional but there HAS to be something wrong with him and even though in the show you see his mother a few times and I believe a pic of her as an old lady (this and the fact that they ignore his brothers existence is proof they never watched the show) she apparently drank bleach when he was 9 and he never dealt with that so he never had any long lasting relationships is the point of this whole season.......I think? Lets ignore the fact that he travels the stars, gets into shenanigans every few days( sometimes the same day more than once), has an omniscient being messing with him every couple weeks and his life has the potential to be in peril on any given day (he's been gravely wounded a fair amount) and he may not want to put that burden on a partner becuase it's a lot. Nah, "Picard broke in the brain, him sadman, him need lady to feel good becuase he miss lady mom and him feel bad". Also......they already dealt with this plot thread of Picard needing to let loose and open up some in TNG.
Modern TV writers do not like stoicism. They don't understand it.
If a character is professional and stoic And (God forbid!) heroic! Then they must be damaged in some way. Or repressed in some way. Because the writers don't understand or believe that people can actually have or aspire to have, these characteristics.
I direct you to the game 'Halo' Master Chief
character.
And the abomination that is the TV show 'Halo' 'Mister Chef' character.
It's sad... I used to like my fictional heroes. Turns out that they weren't heroic at all, just broken.
@@KingBarnaDuke In modern writing EVERY. SINGLE. CHARACTER. MUST. BE. CONFLICTED. AND/OR. TORTURED. IT MUST BE THAT WAY OR HOW CAN THE AUDIENCE BE ENTERTAINED (ALSO THE WRITERS ARE HACKS AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT VERY PLAYED OUT CHARACTER ARCHETYPE)
Remember when Homer finds his mommy after she was on the run for years, and at the end of the episode he's sitting on his car looking at the stars? That was so much more moving than anything in this dog dropping, and it's a comedic cartoon.
Patrick Stewart essentially reading Mike's monologue in the actual show is the hardest I've laughed all year.
That was nuts. I adored Rich’s reaction shots too.
“Are they gonna kiss??”
Upload videos again you fraud
where can i see mike's monologue?
@@dontnormally previous video
Never a good sign when Mike and Rich say or predict the stupidest possible thing they can think of, and then a show mirrors it almost exactly.
Hollywood is such a shit show these days. I'm only a novice writer, but I KNOW I could write better and more compelling stories than a majority of "writers" currently in Hollywood.
The fact that the writers think Picard needs a traumatic experience for the fact that he always kept people at a professional distance tells you they don't understand professionalism.
For the love of christ, they had someone yelling "BOOM" and "CRASH!!" on set when the actors were supposed to react to the ship being damaged. It's childish and lazy and doesn't look good and feels indicative of how production in general on these shows is.
@@buttfusk Uh, they had someone yelling "BOOM" and "CRASH!!" on the old shows. Look at the behind-the-scenes of TNG, DS9, or VOY.
*He's still alive and his life...is continuing*
it also tells that they have no idea about trauma. Also TNG did this "distance"-story in "all good things" already. But when Picard joined the Poker game at the end of "all good things", I actually felt something. It was an earned emotional scene after years of character development.
@@aarondavis8943 I actually wondered if this line tells us more about Stewart than ST or Picard. I mean, I really admire Stewart and wish him all the best and a very long life, but maybe they should just let Picard die and get Stewart a drink and a ticket to Florida. He earned it... We...earned it by now.
These videos will be remembered longer than Star Trek Picard itself.
Aaaaaaaaaamen.
Who?
Never heard of her
People in 20 years: Man I love those old videos where Mike and Rich talked about nothing for an hour
@@HQofrandom lol
It was clear from simply watching and enjoying TNG that the reason Picard never “held onto” a partner was because he was devoted to being the best captain he could and because he was just a private, reserved person, because you know, those people do exist. Everything doesn’t have to be due to some dark, soul-devouring secret.
The guy lost a ton of people in his life. It’s his job. It’s totally bizarre what they did with this series.
Well, Riker took a lifetime to finally marry his long-lasting love, and to take assignment as a ship's captain, no matter it wasn't the Enterprise. According to those hacks, Riker has a more disturbing and darker secret than Picard. And all those shallow relationships he had? Oh goodness!!!
@@tylerloving7132 It's not bizarre at all. They don't want this series to be Star Trek because Star Trek as it was is unappealing to general audiences. or so they think. Picard can't just be a man who didn't ever let his personal feelings interfere with his job because he felt it was best for himself and his crew. No, it's cause he was sad about his mom killing himself.
@@ManOutofTime913 yes, absolutely. The writers are insulting the audience, they see technobabble and think 'audiences are too stupid to understand, we need to turn this into a bland soap opera with flashy special effects'. The one big thing you should never do to your audience is insult their intelligence.
@@lloroshastar6347 To me, it's just more evidence that they want to turn Star Trek into Babylon 5 but don't have good enough writers to pull it off. Cause one of the main characters in that has a mother that committed suicide and she was also a guarded and, at times, abrasive person. However, unlike Picard we're actually told the reason for it, and then her father turned cold and eventually left her household and her brother died in a war. You're lead to understand she didn't let people get too close to her because from her perspective the people she loves either winds up betraying her or dying and that she was using work as a means of avoiding dealing with her emotional trauma. This context is all given in two episodes of the first season by the way. In Picard, they try to retroactively define his entire character by that one incident, that we don't even get much context for it seems, and it doesn't even make sense with his backstory given in TNG where he's a brash, arrogant upstart who goes out drinking with friends, sleeps around with women, and picks fights with space Norwegians but was later changed by the realities of command and the sudden death of his superior officer aboard the Stargazer to become a more thoughtful and cautious older gentleman. But of course, I doubt anyone on the writing staff has actually watched Tapestry, or Family for that matter since they consistently forget about Picard's brother, Robert.
To your point about the "star trek lingo" where everyone spoke with military jargon and there wasn't any romanticized flowery conversations: they very rarely allowed the characters to break out of their official roles and when they did, it showed a lot of their character but it was always with restraint. I can think of like, two times that Picard really opened up; one time when talking to Worf about customs and culture, and the time he broke down in tears in front of his brother. Those moments stood out because it was an exception, not the norm. This new show is just ALL of that constantly. It's like eating a cake made entirely of frosting.
Can you review Tobe Hooper's "Lifeforce"? SHOUT factory just released the U.S. cut and director's cut in 4k. Now's the time!
That image is very fitting.
That's because Gene Roddenberry had a vision too vast for most to understand. Normies think Star Trek is lame science crap, people with a surface level understanding think it's what Akiva foolsgoldman is writing. People like Rich, Mike, myself, and hopefully the majority of people in these comments, know that it's basically a huge series of expeditions, diplomacy, discovery, and a whole lot of navy jargon.
The episode where Picard was taking Wesley to Earth for his first day at Starfleet Academy. The shuttle crashed and Picard was injured, eventually breaking down over all the wonders and experiences Wesley will find there and in his future. It was a beautiful moment where he espouses hope and happiness at his weakest which counters his usual stuffy authoritative self.
There are other examples here and there. One time he dated a junior officer and showed her his flute, there was an episode where he gets telepathically linked to Beverly... But yeah, Picard is a man who went on vacation to Risa and got annoyed at all the sexual advances.
It's truly heartwarming watching these two elderly women talk about a show they absolutely love.
ROFLMAO
Lol!
They're HOT 😍
Have you got their number?
😂😂
What are you talking about, I saw two young, attractive women...
I like the moments where Whil Wheaton’s mask of upbeat positivity slips and you can see his soul leave his body. Fascinating
He doesn’t HAVE a soul
@@cartoonking1789 damnit you beat me to it
@@cartoonking1789 He sold it, along with his dignity.
@@cartoonking1789 Okay, so then it's his memory of his next line leaving his golem.
I love will Wheaton comments
Jay cracking up when Picard starts talking exactly the way Mike did in the previous episode just sums it all up.
I missed that, is there a timestamp?
@@BillySotherden 35:24
@@WallaceAyers thanks man!
“We got dumped” is the most incisive and accurate description of what happened to traditional Star Trek and Star Wars fans over the last decade.
I think you can add MCU to that.
More like it just outgrew you.
@@Dave175 👏 👏 lol!!
I got dumped by Star Wars 20 years ago, long before the last decade.
Watch 'Strange New Worlds', it's actually a lot like TNG. Very surprising to see a new Star Trek that's not absolute garbage.
Wil Wheaton being an unashamed corporate shill fits him so well.
He plays the part so naturally.
He's not playing a part he is the emodiment of corporate nerd (see Big Bang Theory etc). VERY COOL!
It’s disgusting to watch. The weak slime dripping smile and weak kneed posture of a shaking shill.
@@darenlmn3093 You just know he has a wall of funko pops.
@@SmugCanadian He probably has one of himself.
I really do wonder though, who on earth could watch him and react positively? Who could see that and not detect the fake bullshit of his shilling?
I love how this entire plot hinges on a Picard ancestor that CURED THE ENTIRE WORLD that he kind of forgot about. You know, the guy super into family trees and history and all that.
That and Rios's girlfriend's son who suddenly turned out to be important in the last five minutes
And of course its a chick, because in 2022 every important character is female.
@@dasparado Does that matter?
@@jeffreviews4620 Nothing matters, Jeff. Not anymore.
then they'll just use the "time travel" or whatever, cop out
On the subject of the modern day navy, I'm positive that if the creators of this show went to a facility where they construct aircraft-carriers, they still wouldn't be able to find a bigger tool than Will Wheaton.
Comment of the fucking year hs, that punchline just comes in out of absolutely nowhere.
sir
Dang
Burn
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I love Mike's fever dream editing on these. He can't help but pour his heart into Star Trek, even when he hates it and himself.
"We were dumped" might be the most insightful line Rich has ever said.
That statement illuminated the source of my pain, and I'm sure that will now help me heal.
Dumped on, a shizer moment.
It struck me profoundly.
Another thing that struck me profoundly, a long time ago, was something that Craig Ferguson said back in his days on the Late Late Show. I paraphrase him, "I've chosen to not get upset about things that weren't meant for me" (he was speaking about Twilight at the time.)
I can now accept that Star Trek Picard was not meant for me, and I think I can move on.
Dumped in middle age.
Somewhere, Fleetwood Mac’s Landslide is playing in the background.
Bingo. Perfectly stated.
"My heart felt like it was going in so many different directions..."
That is called a heart attack, Rich.
How dare you put that evil on the Birthday Boy!
2:10 I love that these supposedly progressive and emphatic scriptwriters noticed that Picard didn't have long term relationships and decided that it must be because he is broken. It cannot be just a choice, something has to be terrible wrong with him.
Not to mention that he DOES have long term relationships. Do they not even know this? Probably not.
@@chuckshingledecker2216
Picard's greatest 'flaw' is that he is a very deeply compassionate human being who has gotten as far as he has in Star fleet having to shut-off his emotions and is especially afraid of being vulnerable, 'knowing' that being seen as vulnerable is the worst thing you can do as the captain of a military vessel.
It's why Patrick Stewart always played him as strict, very stern and logic-based, it allows more drama and tension for his character and even trauma as he has to give up his own emotional-well being to be the leader he needs to be.
It's why the last scene of the show is perfect. It is him finally realizing that he can be truly vulnerable, if not with the world at large, then with these people who he has trusted countless times that have come through for him not just because he is the Captain, but because he is a genuine friend and inspiration.
"I should have done this a long time ago..."
"You were always welcome."
To be fair, theres something terribly wrong with you, that said Picards character has nothing to do with having deep fear of cochy, he aint you
Yea "progressive". The Borg were pretty clearly a metaphor for communism previously, so the new "progressive" writers decided the only way to save the galaxy was uniting with the communists. No ulterior motives for these "progressives".
@@GraphiteShores yes, but dude... I understand you're 13 and haven't lived a real life yet... but what you describe in your first paragraph is EVERY. PROFESSIONAL. ANYWHERE. EVER. We all literallly give up our emotional well-being every day to be what we need to be at work. Not all of us are Captains of military vessels, but it's still nothing to so deeply traumatically and emotionally devastatingly write home about.
If nothing, that last scene of this show is so incredibly and excrutiatingly stupid. EVERYONE deals with that all their lives, all the time, and now you have this incredibly intelligent, smart and well-centered man managing to deal with it only at 90+? What is he, some kind of a moron? He lived in his vinyard for years; did the Earth go Mad Max he couldn't connect to any people who WEREN'T his subordinates? Is he a cretin?
As for his "flaw".
I love the interviews with the stars who have absolutely nothing to say. "He's still alive... and his life is continuing." "We get to finish a story." "Because it's a TV show?"
Also "CASUALTY RATE: 100%." This show really is made for the lowest common denominator.
Casualty rate 100% got me good. “It’s gonna blow EVERYONE UP”
Dear Writers, I just want a story where I can understand the plot and character motivations. Is that too much to ask for? I'm tired of these convoluted stories!
@@cocomaan we must go dumber: "EVERYONE GET BLOWED UP"
@@SonicRyan1992 True, it's like a 3 year old.
"Because it's a TV show?" is John de Lancie's answer to a question about a TNG episode from season 1 that Wil Wheaton asked him just for fun before formally beginning the interview. It's still a funny clip to use out-of-context but it isn't really about ST:P. Yes, I only know this because I also watched all of ST:P and the Ready Room bits. Yes, I hated almost all of it.
"We don't really know the reason why he's so emotionally distant"
because he convinced himself that personal attachments were a bad thing since his position required him to be ready to send people to their death to protect the ship. they fucking explored this in the original show MULTIPLE TIMES.
There was an entire episode where Picard was starting a relationship with a woman in the Astrophysics lab and he broke it off after he had to possibly order her to her death.
Stop fucking making up questions we already knew the answers to, jesus christ this shit makes me mad.
Even if these people had seen that episode, the genuinely would not understand why he broke up with her. They would not understand the concept of not even giving the appearance of giving her preferential treatment, as most of them probably got their jobs writing for the show through nepotism.
I feel you!
Vash - the best opposite of Picard.
@@KasumiKenshirou Spot on. They have no concept of meritocracy, or how one conducts oneself in a military-style organisation, like a ship, or Starfleet, which while not expressly military, is organised much like a navy. They think, "If I was a crewman on a starship, I'd be best friends with the captain!" No. No you would not, for the same reason a private soldier isn't friends with a general.
It's written by people who hate hierarchy, meritocracy, having to _earn things_ (not just earning money, but earning writing positions on shows, emotional setup/payoff, story beats in plots... anything), they hate competence and most of all, they hate us. It's cultural vandalism meant to ruin the things we love and make a buck while doing it (because they think we are 'toxic' or whatever); as Rich so succinctly put it - it's secular blasphemy.
It's lonely at the top. But I guess these failed writers are in the gutter so have no clue what that means.
There's actually a way to salvage the whole thing in the first episode of Season 3. John de Lancie shows up in the first five minutes in a party hat with a mariachi band in tow, calls Picard a gullible old fool and reveals the events of the last two seasons to have been an elaborate prank at his expense.
11 Months Later Edit - Terry Matalas, did you.......see this? You beautiful, beautiful maniac.
"I had you actually believing that you were an android!" - Q
All because he was watching re-runs of Punk'd and Jackass; And decided he'd try his hand at it. Being an omnipotent trickster and all.
This made my day! Thanks!
@@Michael_ORourke I'd forgotten he was an Android this whole time!!!!
@@internetdumbass i think the writers did too
Rich asks: why is star trek relying on super villains. Because it has been turned into a super hero story and super hero stories have super villains. This show posits that Picard's line of ancestors is somehow imbued with greatness. It's just hero tropes, ad nauseum
THIS is exactly it. Never thought of it like that until now.
This reminds me of JJ wrenching back Star Wars from Rian Johnson to reestablish the nepotism foundation of the Skywalker Saga lol
18:46 genuinely frightened me. And Rich summed up this cluster fire dumpster fuck of a series perfectly when he said, "It was about throwing out everything they didn't like, and everything they didn't like was what we liked." Should've called it Star Trek: The Emotion Picture.
Mike's slide into madness is beautiful. His pain is like a fine wine. All the years of Star Trek expertise turned into device to torture him.
It's truly spectacular 😂 Star Wars crashed and burned with The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker.. but Star Trek is like a never ending forest fire.. it is burning away everything about the old Trek..
it's all about normalising mental illness
"There are four lights"
@@PunkRJH90 Shaka, when the walls fell.
I cracked long ago and it's just cathartic to see someone else go through it.
I am pretty sure Colombus, Magellan, or other explorers didn't talk that poetic while on the seas, but they only talked poetically when they were trying to get more money from kings and queens for their next voyage.
It wouldn't be surprising if they talked that way. Understanding your profession as part of a civilizational & God-given task was not unusual, and the vernacular (at least for educated people whose words we have recorded) was simply more poetic & religious.
I agree, those who research the subject gonna realize even civilian ships were under strict rules. Those ships were made by engineers not dreamers and even when they believed in God's helping hand they knew they are playing with fire, dreams are for the king's court, the reality is harsh and unforgiving.
With their slaves as well
@@luiginastro8831What?
Mike's faux monologue from the last installment is so spot on that he is either a genius or somehow, having seen 10 in advance, a grand master Hack Fraud. It is of course plausible that he is both.
It's like this: no one says "no". I've had managers like this. I have a feeling that there are way too many writers on this show and they all bring their ideas to the boss who doesn't want to reject anything for fear of causing offense, so they just pile it all together and hope that it works.
Mike perfectly summed this up in the Phantom Menace review: "no one told him that it made no sense at all and was a stupid, incoherant mess".
That boss is Patrick Stewart. He's never been in a writing room before and he has no idea what's going on, other than he wants to be special for no reason other than he's just so cool and his whole family line is just the bestest most troubled and most special of them all. He has no clue what is or isn't good writing, it's something he's never done before, so I'm sure he just approves every little idea that comes out and has been running the series into the very ground due to incompetence.
Problem with modern media in general. People are afraid to say no to bad ideas. Or can’t do so respectfully. There are no leaders or singular visions. I think most writers rooms are strangers trying to get along and find common ground long enough to get somethingdone
Man Rich is killing it with expressing how he feels how much this show hurt him “you know what? Have it. Take it! I don’t need it anymore! I’m good. We were dumped Mike!” I’ve felt like that so often with so many series.
Strange new worlds is episodic trek again. So far much more normal but no guarantee they don't pivot back to this kind of garbage writing.
Yeah I have a brother in law who loves this Nu Trek shit - he knows I'm an old school Trek fan and hate it, and he tries to bait me all the time with it - I just say "I'm glad you like it, it's just not for me"
It's true. RLM made a breakthrough. People that like nuTrek don't typically like Star Trek and vice versa. And that's OK.
It's almost like Woke people are intentionally ruining beloved series since they "seized the means of cultural production."
@@_PatrickO I’ve been burned far too many times to put myself out there. Maybe when it’s over and done with and people have given it a pass will I give it a chance
"He's still alive, and his life is continuing." Now THERE'S a compelling motivation to trigger off a riveting narrative!
You've said it all and there it is.
Star Trek: Picard: I'm Not Dead Yet, God Damn It
Same rationale for Patrick Stewart to do the show, interestingly enough
I blame Patrick Stewart for a lot of the crap in this show. He clearly doesn't like that he's old. Wants to keep kissing hot chicks and put his consciousness in a robot body that will live on.
it's not even true, he's dead and the show is about a robot
Thinking about this, something *really* irritates me. The solution to one of Earth's problems wasn't with hard work, overcoming adversity, improving humankind or anything like that. It was a Deus Ex Machina in the form of the alien microbe or whatever it was. I'm not a diehard adherent to Roddenberry's vision and all that, but this seems like such a slap to the message of OldTrek. I'm sure somebody else has brought this point up but ugh. It makes everything worse.
Great point! That is the main reason why it didn’t really sit well with me.
And you can see how stupiditly moronic that is while watching Mike and Rich opinions on first episodes, when they think the show is gonna tackle all sort of systemic problems. Despite it being still stupid, that is what you instinctivly think when you consider "when humanity went wrong/good". But no. Microorganism from space.
Not to mention that introducing an alien organism into a fragile/ damaged ecosystem would probably have unseen and disastrous consequences
It's so cool that Mike got Elton John to discuss Star Trek: Picard with him
This video is the manifestation of the last stage of grief: Acceptance.
Mike and Rich have finally succumbed to the madness
Succumbed to it, or maybe finally escaped it? They no longer have to pretend (to themselves or anyone else) that they have any reason to watch, or that they have any connection with this show. They have found acceptance and it has set them free.
If the madness truly sinks in and takes root, I think it's time for another entry in _Unaussprechlichen Kulten_.
Perhaps this was the plan all along. The entire arc and thesis of the show.
Resistance is futile, and we have all been assimilated.
On the other hand, based on his extremely uncomfortable facial expressions I would say that Wil Wheaton is still at stage one.
*FUN FACT: Patrick Stewart admitted this was a vanity project of his* where he was NOT going to play Picard as the Picard we all know, but as himself (Patrick Stewart). He says Picard and himself are basically the same person. All I could think of was "Sheer fucking Hubris!"
Wait, what? Him and Picard are the same, but now he’s going to play him completely different to play him as himself?
Where did he say this?
Regardless of fact checking, this adds up
Unfortunately
@@KingRich616 Check out his interview on the Hollywood Reporter on May 5th, 2022. It called "Picard star Patrick Stewart shares Season 2 Regrets and explains why he sounds slightly different in final episodes".
There are other interviews where he talks about having full creative control over the show, so this wasn't some writers giving him bad ideas. Theses were HIS IDEAS he wanted put into the show. The writers themselves are all newbies and all but one have ZERO knowledge about Star Trek at all. The one that does have experience sound like that one writer is drowned out by the rest of this group.
@ℂ'𝕖𝕤𝕥 𝕊𝕚 𝔹𝕠𝕟!I had an idea to save this franchise. This whole season should have been Picard waking up one day thinking he is Patrick Stewart in present day and thought of by people around him as some crazy old man who thinks he is a Starship captian in the future. Through the season he accepts that he might be wrong and just crazy. Then he starts getting short communications from the future into his brain directly. They tell him he is Picard and was sent back in time to preserve the timeline but something went wrong and has memory loss from the deviation in the timeline. They don't know what caused the deviation, but give him a mission to correct it. The whole season is this old man going from Patrick Stewart (an old man no one listened to) to becoming Picard again at great personal costs. In the end, Picard says the timeline, and we find out the person behind the deviation in time is none other than the continuation in the of the Trial of Humanity. The lesson the Essense of a person vs just their identity. It would fit the Q perfectly since each Q is more of an essense of a personality come to life than sticking any linear identity. This also makes the events of Picard NOT CANON! So Patrick Stewart can have his fanasty project and have no harm to the franchise.
I feel lucky I caught these legends in the making… In a way, these are the new “Star Wars Plinkett Review” videos, that they will be remembered more and respected more than the original episodes they were ripping into.
This is the only way I can watch whatever this is supposed to be. I don't really buy/collect anymore but I think I like certain action figures and toy sets from Star Wars, Star Trek ect. Some of the figures look alright but the stories are very strange. I consider the Marvel Universe concluded when Thanos won. I like Guardians of the Galaxy and hope they make a good third one.
I miss the old picard the one that got straight to the point and made decisions that were logical and principled and Starfleeted and clipped and official and decisive
This unironically has more intelligence and craft put into it than Picard does. The occasional clips of Wil Weaton’s stupid corporate shilling program are actually infuriating to watch, and it puts us in the shoes of Mike. This is a man who must feel an unimaginable range of emotions as he watches Star Trek - the beautiful flagship of his life - sink beneath the waves. Rage, horror, confusion, and resignation are only a few of the intense feelings Mike is experiencing, and by constantly exposing us to the intensely unpleasant Wil Wheaton clips, we as an audience TRULY get to share in Mike’s emotions and sympathize with him as a character. Brilliant storytelling through editing 👏🏼
No exaggeration, RLM are actual masters of their craft
@@Lifesizemortal 100% agree.
"The beautiful flagship of his life -- sink beneath the waves" is so much more poetic than any shit Akiva Goldsman could write. Bravo.
Brilliant comment it deserves more likes
I like this character arc. Mike is one of the most believable characters ever put on a screen. It's like you can see into his soul, and see it slowly withering as something it loves, dies a horrible death in front of it. I know it's just acting, but I believe every single second of it, because it is that well written.
Mike and Rich's costumes getting more and more ridiculous as the season goes on is a perfect metaphor.
Poor Mike and Rich.
What costumes? I saw Rich at a supermarket once, he was wearing the same clothes he is wearing in the video.
But they missed using bad French accents, so 6/10
Mike in this is nearly a dead ringer for Wriggle Nightbug, a character from the japanese bullet hell series Touhou Project.
I don't think it was intentional, though.
@@XenoSun lmao he's a little less feminine looking but yeah pretty good cosplay
By the season three finale they'd be wearing each other's skin like suits.
Every time Guinan raises her glass for a disinterested toast, I burst into laughter.
Yes, Picard is so afraid of being intimate. Remember the "Inner Light" TNG episode? Well, I guess the writers didn't. Remember Crusher? Nope. Remember Vash? Nope. Remember Nella Daren? Nope.
To be fair, he never committed to any of them. The Inner Light wasn't his own actions and relationships, it was him reliving the memories of another person. And he never really got overly intimate with Crusher, at least not for long, because he was friends with her late husband. Never got serious with Vash either because she was a criminal basically
Some people climb mount everest, some people save silverback gorillas fron extinction, but I, I watched 10 episodes of Star Trek Picard season 2 and survived to tell the tale.
I would rater fight a silverback on the mount everest. That would hurt less...
@@vertigo4236 actually sounds like a fun day out. Get ice-cream after
@@vertigo4236 sounds like the the better pitch to make me watch any planet of the apes movies
Was it worth it?
I want that on a T-shirt. My *'I survived, and now I continue living" Picard tank top* is beginning to fray.
This review matches the season perfectly.
It's unhinged, incoherent, confusing and disorienting to watch, at times horrific and nightmarish, completely nonsensical and features clowns playing clowns in the lead roles.
Flawless.
And the costumes and effects were low budget.
Is it as "flawless and perfect" as Boyhood, that Mike and Jay finally realized after succumbing to mass-hypnosis?
It works on so many levels, mostly one.
Best comment! Nice!
Okay good, I'd thought it was just me.
Mike consistently saying "kindler" instead of "kinder" brings me so much joy
really funny how they went from Q going "does it always have to be of galactic importance? isn't just one life enough?" to ending on "the entire galaxy is in danger and only YOU Picard and Friends can help us, the New Borg, put a stop to it!" really says a lot
The finale we’ve all been waiting for…and I don’t mean Picard
SHEER FUCKING HUBRIS
No one's ever really gone... boldly
Oh, I don't know, we've definitely been waiting for Picard to be over.
Speak for yourself. I wish the series goes on forever for they keep begrudgingly reviewing it.
homie i've been waiting for picard to end since it piloted
The sight of Jean Luc Picard saying to his... friends?... the line "Hey! Hey, you guys!" was all the proof I needed that the problem is with writers who can't write for a character, and need inject their own voice(s) onto everybody. 'Star Trek: Picard' is not Star Trek, and doesn't have Picard in it.
Patrick Stewart probably wrote that line himself. And the 'hung herself' gem.
"PICARD": I'm in the hizzee! Let's make it so _the drama_ !
CHUNK: And Captain Picard says let's get the _hell_ out of here!
It's Patrick Stewart: The Show, not Picard.
You nailed it, not Star Trek, and not the character of Picard, simple as that. Whatever input Stewart had is just more proof that actors are rarely creatives, and should stay in their lane.
Exactly. I watched 4 episodes of S1 before finally concluding that its a waste of time, because this is not Jean Luc Picard that I'm watching.
The best thing I've gotten out of my experience with Picard is that it has made even mediocre episodes of TNG feel like a fine wine when I re-watch them. It really puts into focus what I care about in Star Trek after escaping from the farcical Star Trek-themed torture dungeon that is Picard.
I still have sad thoughts when I see something that reminds me of this show, but the healing can begin.
The Star Wars sequel effect in action.
My housemates have been rewatching Voyager for the first time in years. I remember when they was the dumbed-down, lowest-commmon-denominator Trek. Now it's fucking high art.
Me too.
@@ArchibaldClumpy I found Voyager disappointingly conservative at the time but re watching it now in the context of Nu Trek it is completely redeemed.
I really hope this is someone's first RLM episode.
Thoughts and prayers to Jay for sitting through the episode with them.
He picked a terrible place to start watching Star Trek in preparation for the next Star Trek quiz show.
They must have compromising photos of him watching some non-artsy film in secret.
@@the81kid... or the best place? He does like misery porn. Probably leeches it off Rich and Mike too.
He’s a good friend
@@johnblack8655 Probably the latest Marvel movie. He sat there with Hulk hands on and screamed "yaay"
"I don't think woman should wear hats indoors" words to live by.
I feel like that was a quote I needed context to... But at the same time I couldn't care less.
We need to bring George Carlin back to debate him
John de Lancie saying what we're all thinking.
According to Quark women shouldn't be allowed too wear anything. And I support him.
I feel like Jay didn't want to watch the episode but he lives in the screening room so he had no choice.
As a longtime non-American Trek fan looking from the outside in, the entire core of the writing of this series reeks of Californians' obsession with being in therapy.
much of star trek's worst facets are steeped in californianism. no i will not elaborate
😂😂😂
Yes
100%
I am not checking for this show, but i remember that patrick stewart was in therapy for much similar reasons as picard.
So he fully inserted himself turning picard from a legendary character to an ordinary 80 something actor, pathetic by comparison.
so let me get this straight. the showrunners thought picards lack of a longterm relationship was worth delving into, and the best answer they could come up with was mommy issues? also building a shield around the earth to combat global warming was part of the plot of highlander 2
Kurtzman loves to rip off things. They had the rippers from mass effect in the last season
@@brakogar reapers*
@GodEmperor Bigfoot Highlander 2 was the best Highlander sequel.
Just, let that sink in.
i think that was actually to do with the hole in the ozone layer, which was a thing at the time
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 The Renegade Version, certainly.
This may be the most chaotic episode of RedLetterMedia to date, perfectly mirroring the Picard series.
I would have preferred them discussing it like the previous re:View Episodes.
Huge fan, but this one was a bit grating in parts.
I thought Mike and Rich were going to kiss
::Chaos Intensifies::
Possibly my favorite ever
@@YTWanderer I agree. Both this episode and the previous one went too much into the whole 'chaotic, unhinged mess' gimmick and it was annoying. The previous one wasn't quite so bad, but its first ten minutes were hard to get through. This one was rough throughout and I had to skip several times. I LOVED the other episodes where they discussed the flaws and pointed out inconsistencies (and stupidity).
I hope they'll do a re:View of some of their favourite episodes from any of the series again. Those were really entertaining and relaxing and happy and enlightening.
Time is something that you wish you could reverse. The things you see and the scars left on your soul. We wish we could backtrack them all into the infinite cosmos of time. Time echoes like a butterfly's wings when we see things that that change us as the people we once were but will soon become, or grow into. If we reverse the time into our lives we have to recognize the moments that we share with each other now are priceless and if we take those moments in time, and we appreciate them and love them and truly realize that when we look up at the night sky and see the stars as they are, those stars once were different stars and we realize, in here, we become something new.
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There are moments in our lives we fear to relive and others we long to repeat. While time cannot give us second chances, maybe people can.
That 'boom boom and now CRASH' scene at 16:32 was A+. The editing in this is masterful.
I love how talking about current day issues, like climate change, is super important to them, in that they believe it needs to be discussed to deal with it. However, their solution to climate change is some magical microbe found on a moon of Jupiter
Right, the hypothetical microbes from another world, versus the fascist planetary wall (which *also* works for the purpose, interestingly).
The message of the show seems to be "bet the farm on random green progress, or just vote Trump because he too could fix the world with direct practical solutions". Which I don't think is what they were going for...
I mean, a space shield would (realistically speaking) be a lot cheaper than sending a manned ship to Jupiter's moons. And unlike the magic microbe, it would actually work. The magical microbe would either die instantly in Earth's environment or wipe out all life on the planet. You could put a big mirror in space right now today for less than a billion dollars, and a lot less if you let some private company put it up there instead of NASA.
Plus a magical cure would only encourage corporations and governments to increase use of pollutants, instead of switching to more responsible alternatives.
Beneath the surface, I expect the world view of the writers is painfully nihilistic and their true opinion regarding climate change would be the Hollywood cliche "the human race is already doomed and only has 2-3 generations leeft at most". However, they were forced by producers to come up with some kind of solution and so when backed into that corner their passive aggressive response was to deliberately conjure up a magical answer.
This is all part of the hilarious scenario that woke writing for Star Trek has presented ever since Discovery began: How do nihilistic morons write for a show that promises a hopeful and just future for humanity? How do you sell your mandated message of doom, fear and divisive politics when operating within an IP that guarantees a future where all current day problems have been solved?
That's the real reason why all nu-trek is nonsense. It's like having a white supremicist writing team tackle a remake of an old sci-fi TV show whose lore is that in the year 3,000 all humans are black. Everything immediately falls apart and said writers are forced to vandalise the show's main premise in order to present their desired message.
That's what separates NuTrek from Classic Star Trek: both franchises are aware of the issues facing society, but NuTrek cannot even conceive of possible solutions to our problems, so we just get lots of empty complaining from rich Californians instead.
@@berserkasaurusrex4233 A big space mirror could reduce Earth's heat but it wouldn't affect the ever growing co2 levels in the air and would certainly be used as an excuse to kick the can further. As bad as rising temperatures are there's still the unliveable air quality problem which will be just as much a doomsday threat in future.
The trouble is the way we’re training screenwriters. Everything has to be a drama. All their characters have to broken, that way they can fix them. Because that’s the only way they’ve been trained to think about arcs. Old Star Trek was speculative science fiction. It was concerned about ideas, not individuals.
A symptom of modern writing I've noticed is there's always a bunch of subplots no matter what the movie or show is about.
Sorry, but I think that assessment misses the mark pretty heavily and would be pretty bad advice for screenwriters to follow. Good fiction (speculative or otherwise) is often concerned about both inner and outer conflict. Old Trek is no exception-It was concerned about both ideas and individuals. However, it seems like _Picard_ writers fail to realize that often, small-scale conflicts can be better.
Think about the fact that, in "The Best of Both Worlds," in the midst of a massive external conflict, the episode's primary internal conflict is Riker figuring out if he should take a promotion, and then figuring out how to lead when a promotion is thrust upon him. "Data's Day," is almost entirely focused on individuals and internal/interpersonal conflict, while being relatively sparse on both external conflict and high-concept ideas. But it still manages to be interesting, despite the fact that the stakes in the A-plot are pretty tiny.
Star Trek would be shit if it wasn't concerned about individuals. But, what's interesting is giving individuals a goal and a problem and then exploring their characters by watching how they naturally work through that problem. It seems like some modern screenwriters do this backwards-they say "We want to to do a deep exploration of Picard's difficulties with commitment," and then try to invent a convoluted plot around it.
Some of it may come from screenwriters being influenced by video game narratives, where it at least makes sense for supporting characters to have personal problems only the protagonist can resolve, because developers can work them into the gameplay, and players typically have some agency in determining how they resolve. Often every character in a party-based CRPG will have some backstory trauma and/or serious emotional issues to work through, because they can all be tied into side quests to extend gameplay. Mass Effect-style character growth doesn't work in a TV show though, for what should have been obvious reasons.
@Banni Yeah, another awful side effect of video games in modern media is that a lot of stories just consist of characters running around from one narrative checkpoint to the next, instead of actually having a cohesive objective.
I'd say it's lack of passion. Just studio colleagues handling an IP, so it doesn't die -- not auteur work or anything like that. You won't see any of the Picard writers stomping around the set like Gene Roddenberry, yelling about a specific artistic vision. A job's a job.
How come in Picard's memory of his childhood, he and his mother are dressed like medieval royal family? His mom looks like Princess Zelda!
Because in sci-fi future everybody dresses like an 18. century oliver twist. That might have been the fashion when patrick stewart was a child.
@@jerome1lm
*_Because in sci-fi future everybody dresses like an 18. century oliver twist._*
I mean...you've obviously not seen much scifi if this is what you think.
*_That might have been the fashion when patrick stewart was a child._*
Patrick Stewart is the ACTOR.
Surely you meant to say, "that was the fashion when Captain Picard was a child?"
But even then, we know it wasn't. Sir Patrick is 82 years old, so assuming Picard is the same age, then we can conclude that Picard was 47 years old in _Encounter At Farpoint._ (35 years ago).
This means that Picard would've been born in 2317 AD. TOS is set in circa 2269, so what you're implying is that inside a span of 48 years, mankind abandoned the 23rd century styles of TOS in favor of 18th century Earth medievalism.
That is so beyond absurd it's insulting. By the era of TOS, mankind had already started to intermingle across other species, so fashions would've been driven by the culture crossovers of those species.
The real answer to my OP is that Alex Kurtzman just lacks imagination when it comes to ST.
""True Borgism has never been tried." - Rich Evans" - Jordi the Borg Queen"
Jack laid in the middle this whole time and didn't even flinch nor say one word. What a performance.
He's like Jigsaw
@@yaboibunsen363 you cut him open and you find a lost David lynch lore of the rings adaption.
Rich succinctly summarized the entirety of the whole show: "It doesn't matter"
Rich has successfully harnessed anti-matter.
@@ZylonBane 🤣🤣🤣🤣You win.
I want to chime in on something that I believe led to the quality of the series. This last decade saw a resurgence in remakes and reboots, enough to make writers comfortable with saying "we are ignoring what came before and are doing our own thing." That sentiment itself is not the end of the world, but it becomes an issue when creating official sequels and continuations of old media. Ignoring the conventions and canon of media that takes place in the same universe will always lead to inconsistencies, and claiming to strike out as a different thing altogether no longer works because that is literally a lie. Star trek, Star wars, Doctor who, and plenty others fell into these trappings and have alienated veteran fans as a result, and they all paid for it critically and financially.
Now the new season will be everyone but Data and Q, arguably the two best parts of TNG. Data was the glue that held all these disparately different people together as a family. He was like fun Spock. Fun for smarter people anyway. He was everything that Vulcans strove to be but completely differing from the idea of what that would be, because of his childlike inquisitive nature. Picard was always the career military man. There was alot under the surface, a beautiful cultured man, but duty always came first. Now hes that guy from the skit, he and Ricky Gervais did on "Extras" It's too late, he's already seen her with her clothes off...
The comparison between Spock and Data has always been interesting to me. Data is a robot trying to pose as a human. Spock is a (half-)human trying to pose as a robot. Both also happen to be the most memorable characters of each main cast
@@r0w5tortion84 It was a great idea from TNG. The whole thing about Noonian Soong being an elusive mad scientist type whom no one could replicate his work, making Data truly unique in the Federation and alone, looking to belong and fit in with his peers. It was a thoughtful study on what it is to be human and alive, with Pinnochio and all that classic stuff built into it, but I guess now anyone can make lifelike droids and transfer the consciousness' of real people into them, and all kinds of BS, in Star Trek.
Rich saying "It doesn't matter," over and over perfectly mimics my internal monologue during this entire season to stop myself from getting too involved emotionally with what was largely an unending train wreck.
why i never bothered watching, watching clips alone tells you this isn't Star Trek, this is just garbage made by people just hacked the IP to push their agenda on to it instead.
That hits too close!
Which is the bigger disaster?
1. The train wreck that is Star Trek : Picard
2. The freight train of ageist karma slamming into Mike
I was expecting them to use the Looper clip at some point.
"IT DOESN'T MATTER!!"
Patrick Stewart has done more damage to his character and Star Trek in general than William Shatner ever could. No one would have believed me if I'd said that ten years ago, but here we are.
These melodramatic scenes from Picard with the flowery-nothing speech make me actively dislike him, knowing how much of a hand he probably had in it
Yeah, at least Star Trek V was bad in a fun, campy way, and the campfire scenes with him, Spock and Bones were genuinely charming.
The TNG movies and this are just miserable and show just how much the character of Picard needed the writers from back then.
This show has made me utterly despise Patrick Stewart. It's so obvious he has no understanding whatsoever of the character he played for two decades, no conception of Picard's motivations or morality, no appreciation for his place in the Star Trek firmament. Every time I see him talking about the show it's clear that he didn't bother paying attention to a single line he spoke during TNG, it was just another routine job, could have been reading the lines for a cereal ad for all it mattered to him.
You are kidding yourself if you think Patrick Stewart controls what happens to his character. He may get to influence some of Picard's dialogue and themes, but ultimately he isn't writing or directing the show. The writers and directors are.
@@DovahFett Not only are you completely wrong, you've also missed the point entirely. Firstly, Patrick Stewart appears in dozens of interviews where he proudly brags that several of the worst aspects of this terrible show came from his specific demands. In fact, the show almost didn't happen because he rejected the initial set of scripts he was presented with for season one, which lead to him being brought on as an executive producer who sat in the writers room and directly contributed to the construction of the plot. Secondly, my point had nothing to do with his contributions to the script. The mere fact that he even agreed to take part in this tragic waste of film is absolute proof that he hasn't the faintest idea about who his character was and why he was so meaningful. Patrick Stewart is a moron who doesn't understand, and doesn't care to understand, Star Trek in the slightest.
Old Trek had plenty of emotion. It's still good to this day because it was well written, well acted, and felt appropriate for the story. New Trek is just bad because of bad writing, bad concepts, and it's ALL emotion ALL the time
I appreciate Rich and Mike getting into their Sunday best for this episode.
I freaking love that they dragged Jay into watching the finale with them. I wish we could've heard his take on this train wreck.
I envy Jay, because he probably was absolutely oblivious to what they have done to this franchise and its characters.
Pretty sure they just tricked him into believing they were shooting an episode of BotW.
He is having a blast, seeing a beloved franchise he does not care about commit hara-kiri right in front of his eyes, that his very good friends Rich and Mike are greatly pained by it is a little extra he appreciates also.
@@cactusmalone That's what they tell depressed people. Only the stupid ones believe it
We did.
Screening room:
Mike looking confused
Rich Evans looking confused
Jay wondering when his recently ordered blu ray of Lake Mungo will arrive, a 2008 Australian psychological horror which was written and directed by Joel Anderson and starring Talia Zucker and Martin Sharp.
Will Wheaton in these promotional bits makes Kevin Smith look like a respectable human being. Like I know it's obviously a part of his job description to act like the most insufferable bugman ever but come on tone it down a bit.
The sad part is he probably could’ve just as easily had a CZcams channel, made as much money and remained as culturally relevant as he ever was, if not more 🤷🏼♂️
When Mike was talking about the romanticized language and they were comparing clips I was expecting they would slip in a "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra". 😆
The whole season, I kept thinking, "Isn't it a little late to give Picard mother issues?"
And if he had such issues, wouldn't he have worked through them during that long life he lived in "The Inner Light"?
Those hacks never watched a single episode of TNG, they don't know about the Inner Light. They only watched Nemesis and decided Picard and Data loved each other and wrote all of Picard with that dynamic in mind, and no other knowledge besides vague Borg stuff.
Oh it just never came up.
I thought "Where the fuck is Q's son?" Surely if a Q is dying, which is unheard of, others would come, probably his son most of all. Or his 5 billion year bit of fun. Then I stopped because it make sense and fuck me for trying to make any sense in this mess.
Shhh, don't talk like that. You must engage your doublethink and be excited for next product.
Simple answer. They never saw The Inner Light. They watched All Good Things, First Contact (movie), and Nemesis. Literally. Or even worse, they had their assistants watch those three things for the extent of their research before putting pen to paper.
The death of Star Trek for Mike cannot be overstated it’s almost irony seeing all his favorite franchises die
Star Wars was easier to take. Slower death and honestly hadn’t been good since the 80’s anyways. Trek seems to be hitting Mike harder.
"How's it feel Mike, to have lived long enough to see your favorite franchises go down in flames." Rich Evans.
Nobody’s ever really gone (to hell)
Oh God....I just had a thought. George Lucas is behind it all. He's got the money......
That's what he gets for making fun of all those old people!
As space nerd I have a duty to speak up. There is a major space launch complex at Vandenberg Air Force Base about 2 hours from LA. Generally speaking you are correct, for a standard orbit it is usually better to launch from the Cape. Launching eastward over the ocean matches the earths rotation meaning you get a decent head start (~400m/s at Cape Canaveral) towards getting to orbital velocity. It is also closer to the equator, meaning the initial rotational velocity is higher, and there are more potential orbital planes you can reach. Launches from Vandenberg are generally for payloads going in to a polar orbit (an orbit running more or less perpendicular to the equator). Since Vandenberg is on the west coast and the rockets fly south, the earth rotating underneath it means the spent stages will always end up in the ocean. Depending on the planets relative inclination and Europa's inclination around Jupiter, it could be possible that a high inclination initial orbit out of Vandenberg would be preferable for a transfer maneuver. The Mars InSight lander and NASA's DART mission to the asteroid belt both launched from Vandenberg.
True, but I also have my doubts that the writers of Star Trek Picard had any idea about this.
That's why they never let Shatner back, the execs don't believe in the original premise of the early series. They always thought science and reason was boring and confusing. I don't think they understand how inspiring it can be to display credible characters solving strange problems with training and principles.
The thrilling conclusion
Star Trek Patrick is over…thank Q.
You didn't see the whole thing yet!
First second in and the fact they look like Drag Queens scares me…
But also makes me say “yeah, Picard could have an episode dressed like that based on previous evidence.”
@@MisteRRYouTuby No one’s ever really gone. 🤣
thrill, or kill?
Jay watched the finale with them. A true friendship…
He’s enjoying them feeling all the pain he felt when Mike wouldn’t shut up about Star Trek all these years. He gets cathartic pleasure in watching them watch their dreams die.
They might have died watching the show if Jay wasn't there.
or a captive
I think I’ve figured it out!
Instead of Futurama being canceled/brought back every five years, they should just let those guys oversee the writing for all future Star Trek shows.
A bunch of them are like actual theoretical quantum physicists who don’t just pay passing lip service to the science presented in their fiction. And if people insist on Star Trek having a through-line of sappy emotional bullshit, the Futurama writers are actually really good at that too.
The fact an animated science fiction parody has more genuine intelligence, emotion, fantastic character work, brilliant concepts, and has amassed more critical and audience acclaim than what Picard has become is so profoundly fascinating to me
“Bite my ivory, metal ass!”
-Data
The idea of Picard's grandma solving all the world's problems makes zero sense, in Star Trek lore. In Star Trek, the world is a complete disaster in the 21st century and continues to be a disaster up to the day of first contact, which is what changes everything. I'm going to assume the writers just know literally nothing about Star Trek lore.
I would be legitimately shocked if anyone on the staff recognized the name Zefram Cochrane.
Techno-optimism is a trap
Exactly THIS!!!!! I was so pissed that the show runners just flat out removed all of the established history of humanity and the federation so that they could shoehorn their modern day politics into what made the federation. The federation was not formed by some magic microbes that could end global warming. The federation was formed after humanity was able to overcome their dystopian self destructive behavior and find it within themselves to strive to be better and for a better future.
Yes! There was a fucking nuclear war in 2050, that will kill all the humankind saving microbes! Granny Picard did nothing useful at the end.
Even I knew that and almost all of my Star Trek knowledge comes from old memories of watching TNG reruns with my dad.
It is such basic stuff that it is mind boggling that they messed it up.
- Cuts to Rich Evans wearing a Doctor Strange T-shirt
- Rich Evans says "This is strange"
I love it when the editing highlights the themes of the film!
You know a series is soul crushing when a major nerd like Mike simply says "you know, you're exactly right. I have no answer -- I thought I knew what I was talking about, but I don't"
I do feel bad for Wheaton. I know he acts like a soulless shill, but I also wonder about what his early career was like for him. He was despised at a young age all for doing a job adults gave him to do. Similar to Jake Lloyd. Child actors are already put through enough trauma even if they're beloved, and most don't turn out all right. He's also not at a place where he can pick and choose roles like Patrick Stewart and might have to take what he can get.
It's hard to feel bad for someone who is such a smug, fake, soulless corporate shill who is clearly narcissistic. I feel bad for the child version of him, but people have the opportunity to grow as they get older. Ultimately you shape your own reality, blaming anyone else for where you end up is just self defeating.
@@nickhartman6372 you can also take the opportunity to grow. Learn a bit more about Wil. See who he is. You might change your opinion.
I doubt you will even try, though. People who judge others for not growing often don't grow themselves.
He's talked about that time on the show and his home life and it is actually tragic and him being at all ok is admirable. I'm not going to paraphrase it, but I'd recommend his conversation on Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum.
@@nickhartman6372You should listen to Inside of You with Michael Rosenbaum talking to Will Wheaton, you may be surprised by what was happening with him at the time. Also this emotional bootstraps thing is not a thing, try this logic with people who have PTSD. It's obtuse and not based on any research that you can't get broken.
The change in language is a great observation. You could definitely link this to the arc of time in either case. TNG being at the end of the 'modern' era, where science was considered to provide every answer, and Picard well into the 'late-modern' era, where science is considered to not provide the answers. For example, nuclear power is no longer seen as an answer but as a threat/problem. This has apparently then led to a return to romanticism. Romanticism is also about an emphasis of the human and the self. So we see a reversion in Picard, whereby the social structures have failed (immigration, environment, democracy) and all that is left is the individual. There are many different types of individual, and the California yuppies that wrote this show, educated, literate, etc. created the type seen in this show.
Immigration?
Wtf ?
No 🤡
@@Uncanny_Mountain Seems this poster considers detaining children, separating them from their parents, on the US-Mexico border as a success, etc. So right wing, you're messed up.
He said immigration is a failed institution you illiterates.
Remember when you could watch an episode of Star Trek and 99 times out of 100, the stakes weren't "all life everywhere?" It's so exhausting that every season is a universe-destroying monster of some sort. At this point I just want them to throw their arms up and say "hell with it" and just let the galaxy eat itself.
Between that, someone (or everyone) emotionally overreacting to any decision that is made and everyone being flawed just for the sake of easy characterisation, Picard and Disco are absolutely not Star Trek
BUT WE’VE GOTTA RAISE THE STAKES
Ah c'mon, there was plenty of relaxing low-stakes stuff. Like that one time a guy got his eyeball slowly ripped out for 20 minutes, and the other guy who got his head chopped off because he was rude, or the classic subplot where 7-of-9 blew off some steam by committing war crimes.
See? There's nothing exhausting about stuff like that.
STRANGE [NEW WORLDS]: Tony... there was no other way...
RIKER: ... My name is Will.
@@zizoumonk10 You mean "THE STARS-KES"
Thank you for giving Wil Wheaton's cameo the attention that it deserved.
rich&mike giving strong "festival campfire at 8am on a Sunday morning" energy here
That green wig is giving Mike so much confidence.
😂😂😂
I didn’t think it was even remotely possible to ruin the Borg. A decades long iconic, terrifying villain, but ST: Picard accomplished that in just a few episodes. That’s something special right there.
Though, I think Rich said they were already partially ruined by the concept of a Borg Queen that was introduced in the movies. So, it was a race that was crippled and this was merely the coup de grace.
More we have Care Borgs
First Contact was the beginning of their ruination, but this was the grand FUCKING finale.
@@Malky24 Are their Care Borg Stares just streams of binary, which all translate to the most flowery bullshit possible?
All the Will Wheaton reaction shots are comedy gold, but I think mining for that gold probably jaded RLM even further. I can't imagine sitting through the whole interview...it's like nails on a chalkboard for 2 hours.
If I was them I’d watch it on mute with subtitles so then at least they’re spared from actually listening
The dedication these guys have to sit through not just this trainwreck, but all the extra materials to edit into this is simply astounding! I think their deteriorating mental states in this video are pretty understandable considering that fact.
The Ready Room episodes are less than 30 minutes. There is no 2 hour interview...
@@shanenokes1170 : I have no clue how long those segments are, but time drags when you're not having fun.
@@urbanstarship "I have no clue"...
Yes. That's obvious.
The editing in this video is better than anything Paramount is capable off.
“Stop. Just stop.”
“It...it doesn’t matter.”
Ladies and gentleman, in two separate lines, Mike and Rich, respectively, have singlehandedly summed up the entirety of NuTrek since 2009 and given each of us the only justification we need to not watch any of it. I hope you’re all paying attention to this. It doesn’t get any simpler than this.
It’s also versatile. It applies to all major franchises today.
Alright we need to get some funding together to replace the Hollywood sign with "STOP JUST STOP IT DOESN'T MATTER"
I haven’t watched any nu-trek…I haven’t watched more than a dozen TNG or any other star trek tv…
I have however, watched all the RLM trek related videos.
Mike absolutely nailed it when he said they hired both the wrong and bad people to make nu-trek. I'd not have such an issue with the show if it was just the wrong (but talented) people making a quality show that doesn't really fit in with the Star Trek universe, but it's GARBAGE that doesn't fit in the Star Trek universe. That's why I can't understand who this show is aimed at other than apparently the lowest common denominator, casual TV viewer who will watch and lap up anything?
I would check on international audiences, especially latin-america
Im latin-american and down here people watch a lot of highly dramatic soup operas, and shows created here are awful, rushed and cheap, Picard in comparison is a masterpiece, also our audiences are very very very very casual, we watch something say 'meh', never look back and move on
They can dub all kinds of garbage dialogue in different languages. What a mess.
Shows nowadays are made for mass audience, nothing less, no more niche audience, everything is made to appeal to as large a demographic as possible. So they'll go for stereotypes to reach said appeal, drama & romance for girls, action for boys, and they'll throw in whatever socioeconomic messages are in vogue to appeal to those loud critics that consume media purely to see the propaganda of their favored messages. They'll throw in whatever they can make stick in hope it will appeal to one more potential demographic or group, always targeting the largest ones in priority above all else.
It's seems you were part of the audience they aimed at, since it sounds like you watched all of it, heh.
@@Stephen_Brooks I watched the first 3 episodes of S1 and couldn’t stomach any more of it. I’ve just been watching the train wreck develop from afar now, via RLM and other podcasts.
So many RLM moments led up to 35:27. The idea that this is one of the few random ST episodes that Jay has seen is hilarious.
That TNG vs Picard montage is top journalism. Far better than any professional critique on new Trek I’ve ever seen. Sums up the discrepancy in content, atmosphere and lore perfectly!
"We were dumped, Mike" is really the one quote that I think sums up everything about New Trek.
Seeing it now is like seeing someone who you broke up with years later and their life has gone downhill so hard you can't even tell the tattoos from the needle marks. Also, they're a zombie.
I mean sure, Star Trek was a popular and successful show, but I mean so is Gray's Anatomy, a show I shockingly discovered is still on the air and one of the longest running series. General Hospital has 59 seasons and has been running since 1963.
Popular and long running shows that are basically sentimental garbage dumps abound.
Star Trek was always a true nerd show though. It was science fiction, emphasis on the science. Now it's emphasis on the fiction.
Which comes down to the ultimate reason I hate New Trek, it's taking something unique and nerdy, and turning it into what everything else is. The movies are generic space action movies. The TV shows are Syfy sentimental drama pieces.
New Trek is turning Star Trek into everything else. It's robbing it of its unique voice. It's a generic action flick, it's a generic drama. It's not Star Trek.
You know it's funny, because of you look at a movie like Galaxy Quest, the reason it's so funny is because there's some truth in there. Star Trek was a nerd show it was run by nerds, for nerds. And sure, it was still fantastical, it didn't always get the science right. But damn if some of that techno babble sounded at least kind of spot on. And the attention to technical detail was at least a big attempt, while not always perfect. And the attention to in-universe detail was also important. The time it takes to travel even at warp speed was often important to the story. And making the world internally consistent was there. They had a Star Trek Bible, and they tried to make sure stories fit within those parameters.
New Trek is sappy and naive. It's drama for the sake of drama. It's very un-technical by design.
So yeah, Star Trek broke up with the nerds. Now it's married to chic geeks who wine and dine on nerd branding, because perhaps they will be perceived as intelligent for appreciating such a cultural touchstone. Meanwhile the real nerds are going gaga over shows like The Expanse that care about the science and we "nerd out" over the scientific accuracy, and showing real principles of physics in action.
There are plenty of new nerd shows out there. But they aren't Star Trek.
A few of my exes became zombies, too
I felt the bit about its made by the wrong people with the wrong idea for the wrong people is really telling. Especially the wrong people. I feel like trek fans are really confused by these butterfly tears crowd who might even be mostly russian bots haha And that confusion because trek people are a better type leads to them being attacked by the new mob who might be all emotions but hate is an emotion and theyre super aggressive to anyone critical. As a result the landscape of who trekkers or trekkies are has changed but this isnt so much as a fault but a design feature of the Alex Kurtzman tyranny. Its only about money money and money now and so being dumb or illogical isnt an issue but a requirement.
What they didn't realise is that Star Trek presented a true fantasy: the ideal work environment
Working with subject matter experts on interesting and varied problems.
Except that TNG lower decks episode and the LaForge-Barclay one which shows they can also be petty subjectively prejudiced managers. But they grow and do better, so still yes.
I know the writers chafed under Rodenberry's insistence that characters not have interpersonal conflict and that conflict should come from outside the crew, but I much preferred that to the petty sniping that they've shown characters in Picard engaging in.
The arcs these two poor, beaten souls went through as the traversed the brutal-stupid that was Picard season 1 and 2 to the wonderfully realized Picard Season 3 is one of the great stories of our time. I'm so glad I got to watch them shawshank their way through that endless tunnel of horrid sewage to find an ultimate redemption at the other end. Right there with you guys.
I love how I can't tell if Mike is legitimately deteriorating from alcoholism or just that good of an actor.
He’s that good of an actor, AND he’s deteriorating from alcoholism
Yes
Embrace the word “and”.