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We’ve talked before on the channel about Fluminense and their extremely unique tactics. Well, it seems a European team has already been inspired by coach Fernando Diniz. And that team is Malmö FF, led by coach Henrik Rydström.
Today we take a look at Malmö, how they’re similar to Flu, in what ways they differ, and whether is is the start of a genuine tactical revolution in football.
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Sections:
0:00 Brazilian tactics
0:24 Malmö’s new football language
1:38 Novelty or function?
3:22 The next tactical revolution
4:40 Dinizismo goes global
5:12 How far will these tactics go? - Sport
I really want to see a Brazil team play like this. The playmaking abilities of Guimaraes, Paqueta, Neymar, and even Rodrygo could make this into something incredible. Of course, there will be defensive weakness to this system but I am looking forward more to the "beautiful game" coming back into Brazilian football.
we still have Casemiro, one of the very best DMF here. I think we could see something magic here.
Just forgot the biggest name: Vini Jr.
In the end nothing happens in world cup
they should 100% be starting someone like andré in their team if they want to show some relationism football
Eu também quero que o Brasil jogue assim, p'ra voltarem a levar 7 da Alemanha ou, quem sabe, 10 da França do Mbappé 😂
As a brazilian, I have to put my local vision on this. One of the things that make the relacionism work well in Brazil is, probably, one factor that europeans might not be used to: futsal. In Brazil, is natural some of the players first train in futsal and, later, go to the field. See the fisrts goals of Neymar as a kid. They're on futsal. That's make a lot os sense, since we have in relationism the short space, the improvisation, the "escadinha". Those are tipical aspects of futsal, adapted to the field. Futsal is strong in Europe, I know. But I'm talking about this hibrid formation of players. Since the beggining, they're learn to think with those rules.
In sweden in particular futsal is pretty big because during the winter we all play it because unlese you play on artificial grass you cant play outside 4-5 months of the year. My outside team is like division 5-4 in standard but in futsal we have beat futsal pros and semi outside pros. I love futsal because i have good technique but not elite running lol
One of the key players in the Malmö attacks is Taha Ali, former player for the Swedish futsal national team, and his quick actions are definitely pivotal in making this work for Malmö when he's on the pitch. He's sadly fairly unique in that in the Swedish League, and it is obvious that this style of playing suits him very well. Although there are good playmakers in the team without a doubt, there's not quite anyone like him as fast and creative in the small spaces. I do get what you mean, having a team filled with players of those experiences will definitely help a tactic like this, much more than the usual upbringing in northern European 442 systems, even though the mix of these is probably what can make this work for Malmö in the Swedish League
Most Norwegian kids these days grow up playing on small fenced-in astroturf pitches (often 12 by 22 meters). Almost every village has one, often near the school, sponsored by the government (actually funds from state monopoly on gambling). It's not like futsal in Brazil, but our kids are and will be getting much better at 1-1 and technical skills.
This is such a good point.
@@ximono It's actually both completely reasonable and completely bonkers that Brazil and Scandinavia are where we find this style at top level right now. That's two football cultures that aren't exactly similar.
Rydström also mentioned that as a coach he essentielly wishes to be the antithesis of how he was like a player, probably Rydström adopting this tactic is a sort of revolt against classic swedish 4-4-2
hopefully he will become swedish national team manager soon!
I think it has always been quite clear, ever since the latter stages of his playing career, that he is more attracted to the sort of football that made his old playing role obsolete. How to play out a ball-winning defensive midfielder
I love what Diniz is doing, but I also like that coaches are already looking at the weaknesses (rest defence) to further develop what he set in motion. Looking forward to Diniz at Brazil!
exactly, every revolutionary development needs to be refined and integrated, so if it continues we'll definitely see a lot more different iterations in the future
Yes. But if you look at the weakness of the Brazil national team, especially in the last world cup, is a lack of connection between the players. Diniz is literally the cure for that.
@@xXKingEllisXxtoda estratégia tem uma fraqueza, se a do jogo de posição é o pouco relacionismo entre os jogadores a do relacionismo pode ser essa.
Yes, but now Diniz is reiventing the team! With longballs, sideline changes, counter attacks. Look the last 3 games of Fluminense! It will generate doubt in rivals and Fluminense is strong again! ST
What is defense? - Diniz, Fernando
The coach of Malmö gave an interview a few months ago talking about how he admired the work of Diniz. The interview is avaliable in english
Now, a european coach will take all the credit and Europeans, will say that Soith American football is just not as "refined".
This European will remember the truth 😉
they "discovered" it as they like to say lel
The Europe will remember because Fluminense will destroy the champion of the UEFA in the Club World Cup next year. They won't just only remember us, they'll fear us, again!
Obs: Diniz is the coach of the Brazilian National soccer team.
I guess this was something that bayern has done in the attacking phase during sextuple season.. But they have also exploted space, switchovers..box overloading.. Counter pressing..
@purist what's the "innovation/revolutionary change" btw above tactics and prev bayern team tactics👀
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The present brazilian team that played in the World Cup felt like a very organized european team. The brazilian team that people know from the past is no where near to the team right now. So, if brazil wants to be the best again, something like this can be very encouraging
Amen
Agreed. They also need to drop Richarleson he is rubbish. And they need to play Raphinha more.
@@johnmknox FACT.
sorry bro brazil is now just a talentless team. Thats why they are flop. Lost to Croatia whom argentina destroyed 3-0 lol
@@johnmknox both are so so
I believe that Diniz will succeed in the Brazilian national team. Because now, he has the best brazilian players to work with. And his style favors a more "freestyle" game. Of course, with the touch of tactical pattern, which we already know how it will be.
I'm excited to see what he can do with players like Vinicius Jr, Martinelli, Vitor Roque, Rodrygo and Neymar,for example.
His "freestyle" kind of game relies on players having a lot of experience playing with each other. Which is the opposite of what you get in a national team.
Brazil also has solid defenders and casemiro as DMF. They lost to croatia solely due to tactical oversights from the coach
@@afsdfsadhasfh But you are forgetting one important detail. In the national team there are players who play together in their teams. This is the case of Joelinton and Bruno Guimarães (Newcastle), Rodrygo and Vinicius Jr (Real Madrid), Antony and Casemiro (Manchester United). In addition, they are all players with tactical intelligence and good passing. They will assimilate Diniz's style quickly. And what can help Diniz is the fact that he has already worked with players like Antony (Sao Paulo), Bruno Guimarães (Athletic Paranaense). Different from the teams he already managed in Brazil, Diniz will now have A-level players available. So I believe the players will adapt quickly.
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@@caralho5237we lost to Croatia cause Casemiro didn't want to kill the play, take a yellow card and miss the next game.
what hinders the work of fernando diniz is that his squad of players in fluminense is limited, the bench does not have players who maintain the level. now diniz is the manager of the brazil national team he has good players let's see how his tactics will evolve
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As a Brazilian who lives in Sweden I couldn’t be happier with this video! So awesome to watch your analises
yes bro. we need joga bonita back. Love all the way from South Africa!!
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When we talk about relationism we must mention Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, who proved its efficacy in the hardest league in the world. He came 3rd and 2nd with this style, which is astonishing.
Great to see the Allsvenskan getting some attention!
For those interested, Malmo will soon play Djurgarden and Elfsborg, 2 top of the table teams in the upcoming weeks.
I know this one, home of our first world title. Good league to score goal. Greetings from Brazil.
Wow I’ve never seen any team from the late 2000s ever win a champions league by flooding an area with players and progressing the ball in tight triangles, this is truly revolutionary
Will be intresting to see how Neymar,vini and Rodrygo Combine as they like to naturally Occupy similar Spaces on left hand side. We have already seen a glimpse of it with vini Benzema and rodrygo ,they kinda use a Similar approach of Crowding one wing to open a low block.
This way of play is really close to Futsal (indoor football). This is played in most of streets on Brazil. So we can say that almost every kid (that likes soccer) is familiarized to this way of play. You have to play and construct your opportunities through really little spaces, and really close opponents, that forces the player to be creative and constantly uses teamwork and rotations.
Even big stars like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo Fenômeno and Neymar started with futsal.
It's interesting how this have been traduced to "standard" football and how it surprisingly works.
Diniz still have to work at his defensive formations, but there is no doubt that is a really good show to watch
Super exited to see diniz coaching the Brazilian National Team
I imagine a blended positional/relational set of tactics will emerge soon. I don't see either as better. I think if your players are taught both tactical ideas, they will have more tools to use during matches.
Yes. Pure relationism is going to get destroyed as soon as/if more teams start playing that way and elite managers find ways to exploit it. It may be successful for a short period while other teams struggle with the novelty, but it won't last too long. Adding it as another tool to use during matches, however, will absolutely be successful *and* will be fantastic to watch.
Not dissimilar to how Ancelotti and Spaletti managed last season
You need players of such a high caliber technically and mentally to pull it off. Ancelotti has had Madrid play similar to this for a while, but even he's struggled at times to keep them hitting on all cylinders throughout the year. You would need club leadership willing to accept the occassional run of clunkers in the interest of pursuing something special, and in the age of petrodollars chasing silverware, I just don't think we're likely to see leadership that has the focus to stick with a manager through a soft run of games.
Spaletti's Napoli seemingly did as much this past season. In EPL, I'm curious how relational Ten Hag's football will get as a counter to Pep. As an Arsenal fan, I want to see Arteta beat Pep at his own game, but I believe Ten Hag can implement a style different enough from the extremely positional norm that poses a new challenge to Pep
Rydström have been doing crazy good. Sat down and talk to him for a bit a couple of years ago when he was commuting to Uppsala.
He is really smart and a very nice guy.
Great video, fascinating to watch. Getting this grooved in properly into your game will be so cool to be a part of
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This is really interesting, indeed a tactical revolution is on
I hope this new style can bring back the classic number 10 of the past. Players like Özil, Kaka, Maradona, Zidane, Riquelme etc
Brasilian football is all about fluidity and street ball it would be awesome to see Ancellotti implements this into the national team, I remember even seeing this in his Real Madrid team last season, its refreshing, its a reminder that football can actually be fun to watch and isnt always a chess match. These players grew up playing this way, its a lot easier for a football to get themselves up for a game at the park with their friends than a chess match
Don't think he will
@zepar6076 maybe he will cause if you see Ancelotti's style, then you'll know he is very fluid. I think he is the only coach right now in the "top teams" that still employs a traditional number 10 in Jude Bellingham. He even tried the diamond formation way back in AC Milan and made Kaka the number 10.
New ideas like that of Diniz and Fluminese are infectious. I wouldn't be surprised to see teams in La Liga, Bundesliga and the Premier League try it, and for some it will work. Having playere who are comfortable on the ball is the key. I think this could become a system that takes over the mantle of the box midfield within the next season or two across Europe. It will certainly make football more easy on the eye again
Quique Setien has been doing something similar in La Liga, especially with Betis in 2017-2019. I fell in love with that team, some of the most entertaining and risky football I've ever seen. czcams.com/video/hd59YwYKE_o/video.html
Real Madrid e Real Betis jogam assim, Napoli, Milan, e Internazionale também claro que com suas diferenças mas em essência são parecidos.
@@sidneymar718daqui a 2 anos europeus já vão falar que eles criaram esse estilo, pode ver.
Real Madrid play a somewhat similar style, often almost every one shifts to the left flank all tho they do still stretch the pitch with Cavarajal holding the with on the right
Sim, o Real Madrid faz o que chamamos aqui no Brasil de "jogo funcional", que é o estilo do Diniz e vários treinadores brasileiros.
There’s not a lot of people that really break down tactics from around the world and as a Colombian who watches football all over the America’s I love your videos. Sigue rompiéndolo crack!
I have been using a horizontally asymetrical shape with a 3 - 1 fixed back line during the past season. The other 6 players prioritize one side of the pitch, dictated by our opponents weaknesses. We won division 4 because other teams dont know how to handle it and the fluidity suits creative one touch African footballers.
Sweet analysis. Thanks for sharing
I like these videos and the respect it pays to alternative tactics. The only thing that bugs me a bit is assigning "rationality" to traditional/European forms. Something that seem "orderly" to us might be simply familiar. Diniz's teams are extremely well rehearsed and trained. The spontaneous aspect emerges from practice. Like in a Guardiola team, players need to commit 100% to those ideals and learn them, so they become second nature. Less rigid, sure... irrational, definitely not.
PS. I'm excited to see Diniz with seleção, but at the same time I'm skeptical precisely because it's a learnt system. Any team wanting to implement it, needs time together and plenty of practice...
It reminds me a little of when Crystal Palace had Yannick Bolasie and Wilfried Zaha on opposite wings. The view of the lazy journalist was that these two young African players - both reared in poor areas of London - were just street footballers, out there just improvising and not knowing what they were going to do next. However, both players worked incredibly hard on skills and knew exactly what they were doing at all times. The club's tactics were based around them being able to beat players off the dribble.
I totally agree with you... And a tab has to put on Neymar. He's a fantastic and important player but needs to have his ears pulled as a reminder that Brazil's future successes hinges on the collective... Can't count the number of times we highly dedicated brazil fans have been frustrated by his tendencies to hold up play in ideal attacking situations...I wonder if Diniz will be able to restrain some of egos in his squad.
Renato Portulappi, Grêmio’s coach and legend always did this way. 2016-2017-2018 Grêmio - and today’s Grêmio when uses 4-4-2 with Suárez playing like a False 9 - was a good example of this kind of football. Matter of fact, Diniz was coached by Renato in 2002.
Thanks for making this wonderful video! Greetings from Brazil !
I hope Diniz's philosophy spreads and brings back well-played football, and mechanical football slow down!
I've been talking to my friends about this during pickup football and I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge on it. It's given me a ton of insight on how I love the game to be played intuitively but couldn't and can't express. I like short bursts of passing and running into space- I find it devastating. However many times (I like playing a floating forward to press high, win the ball and play short passes to anyone around me) my teammates implore me to "go to the opposite side" to create space. I don't disagree with that stance, I get it, but I love manipulating the space that's already there.
Absolutely loving this content.
You have a really great channel here, Purist.
Thank you for the effort!
thank you too! appreciate the support
Great video!
What a brilliant exposé ❤
Another excellent video! Can't wait to see more teams adapt this style of play. I would also love to learn more about the "ladders" and other relative mini-formations - it's so exciting to watch when you understand what they're trying to do!
Glad you enjoyed!
The "ladders"?....I need to know more about this....
Your video is amazing!!
Man i don't know why but i love ur videos, very easy to understand nd very interesting 💪.
It's like what teams like Raja de Casablanca did under the influence of a South American coach in the late 90s early 2000s (Oscar Fellone).
This is why when I watch Malmo, they are kind of interesting especially when attacking. I kind of like this structureless formation because it can be unpredictable and it's entertaining to watch. Great vid!
It looks both fun and beautiful, hope it gains more traction.
Very cool, I think Wilfried Nancy is having his Columbus Crew side (MLS) doing something similar, with his own spin to it. For example, he plays with a 3 man backline that for a lot of games this season has featured no actual Center Backs and you even see those guys making deep runs into the opposition’s box if the play calls for it.
I think we will come to see an improved version of Malmo's approach by European clubs in the near future. But definitely not a replica of Diniz's style. Structure will still be somewhat familiar especially for defending, just with the player given instructions on how to think, see and occupy spaces in the attacking/possession phase. It feels like an exciting revolution.
The four-two formation starting the passes from the goal kepper area was used in Sao Paulo team when trained by Diniz. This coach is coping things Diniz used to do (and my return to do someday).
Great Video, this is what I have been dreaming of for the past 10 years. The Old Way, the Brazilian way of playing football was lost. The Flare, the tight space ball control, cheeky back heel flicks, the off load in-front of the 18 yard box. I was watching the games, where the tiny guys like Romario, Bebeto, Ronaldinho were absolutely cutting open defenses with the short balls and quick movements off the ball. The Force that is Brazil needs to be revived that Giant Footballing Nation needs to be taking back to those glory days, simplicity was key
Very good content about soccer analytic...more interest than just show goals for sure...
If a variation of these tactics already won Napoli their third Serie A title, then I truly believe that any other iteration of it (a defensively improved one, in particular) will do great wonders on the world stage.
Interesting. I'm wondering if this has been an influence on StLCity in MLS, who play an aggressive press. But I've noticed the swarm and tight groups of players as they move up field.
They have confidence that any pass doesn't hit its mark can easily be won back by another, and continually push up field. I don't understand football well enough to know if this is actually related, but it gave me some fun things to think about. Thanks for posting.
Also, they do have two Brazilians that have played a big role for the team in João Klauss and Célio Pompeu.
Nice vid callux
Im so excited,
Currently im not a fan of predictable football with identified patterns such as 4231, 442, 352 or whatever,
I wish this kind of football could spread across the whole world and people will enjoy
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Football should be about variety.The more variety the better.
Almost 2min and im impressed with your pt accent 👏
Henrik Rydström is a colourfull coach. He used to work as a teacher and has other interests other than football. He has increased the theoretical training of the players and also gives them homework. Being able to control the game and building a strong squad dynamic is key for him. This started when hej coached Sirius, and then really took off when he managed to get Kalmar (the team that he played for all his career) to the top part of the table, despite being close to regulation. Henrik is difficult to describe to a non swedish speaker, but he truly is a character who has a bright coaching future. I hope that he will get the chance to take over a larger european team sometime in the years to come.
/A fan of Kalmar FF
I hope this starts a new trend and more managers start adopting elements of it.
Makes a lot of sense to overload one side of the pitch and create an advantage there
As a Brazilian I am very surprised and happy that this is happening, I wanted Diniz in the national team after 4 years with Guardiola of course, but now I see reality unfold before my eyes, it's beautiful !
As a Brazilian, I like to start my phrases as a Brazilian.
As a Brazilian, i agree with your reply.
this is so inneresting bruv!
Hey Purist, can you do a video on tactics differences of Xavi, Arteta and Pep. They play inverted fullbacks role but with different spices
I think he has like 80% of his videos about that
Here is the difference between Pep, Arteta and Xavi inverted FB systems.
Pep: Pep started with the same system that Arteta has been using this past season that saw Arsenal finish second on the table. So, when Zinchenko was at Man City, Pep liked to use him as an inverted fullback meaning Zinny comes to midfield alongside the Cdm (Rodri or Gundo). This allowed City's attacking midfielders like KDB and david silva or bernardo to push higher in the half-spaces making City attack with a front line of 5 players (RW, RM, CF, LM and LW)
But now, after the departure of Zinchenko and Cancelo and the arrival of Haaland, Pep adjusted his system this season where instead of having an inverted fullback invert, Pep had a CB (John Stones) invert when City settled into controlled possession.
Arteta: Arteta, this past season, basically used Pep's inverted fullback blue print where Zinchenko inverts and Arsenals's attacking mids push up. Then Jesus who is the CF, plays like a false 9 dropping deep to create a multitude of spaces. Arsenal's tactics this past season was an exact replica of Pep's tactics in his first 3 years at City. It is why when Man City faced Arsenal, City outclassed Arsenal tactically because Arteta was trying to beat Pep using Pep's earlier tactics.
Xavi: Xavi's system is more of Fullbacks pushing high then the wingers inverting into the half spaces. Then the midfielders stay a bit further back to recycle possession. So with Xavi, instead of having inverted fullbacks responsible for recycling the ball, he uses actual Midfielders to do this while the Fullbacks push higher up the pitch. The problem with this system is that it minimizes the effect of wingers who are good on 1v1 situations.
An example, when Cancelo was still in the City team, Grealish's game was negatively affected. This is because Cancelo is a more adventurous Fullback that likes to attack high up the pitch. This meant that whenever Cancelo overlapped, Grealish was always forced to play in the half spaces which is not his strength. But after Cancelo's departure to Bayern, Pep moved Nathan Ake to the LB role more frequently. Ake is more defensive minded and that gave Grealish the space needed on the wings to attack and do his magic.
@@thuo1000great job!
Jesse Marsch tried something similar at Leeds and Leipzig especially. He was accused of not having width as his number 10s would float narrowly. His pressing still was mostly like this with what he called a cloud , which would include most of the team shuffling to one side of the pitch to pen in the opposition to press into mistakes and win the ball back .
Diniz seems to progress play over the wings whereas Marsch flooded the center in posession. I think that using relationism to attack on the wings improves the counter pressing. Also, it attracts the opponent to shift to one side which opens a switch to the other side.
You should see malmö now because we’ve improved and made som minor changes but we are still using relationism like we did last season. Right now malmö is dominating allsvenskan with 18 goals made and 1 conceded in 6 games and we’re in the cup final (which we definitely will win) and we will be qualifying for europe soon so it’ll be interesting to see how we’ll do against good competition
I feel like this is a tactic that will be developed by teams like Real Madrid who rely on the brilliance and quality of their players
This tactic seems like it has infinite potential and could create new ways of playing football in general
i hope it start to be more like that, cause thats the "real" football, funny, fast and skill-based, by that i dont mean that it isnt now, just not as much.
i think keeping the ball all game trying to find some space against a team that defend well is boring.
and the players (expecially younger) could bring more of them self in the pitch like that
The better the players are the better this Diniz tactics will flourish. I really think this type of football will suit really well with Brazil's NT.
I thought our way of playing football wasn't "refined" enough for europeans... interesting 🤔
Btw keep up the great work! Much love from Brazil, from a Clube do Remo fan!
Ask 10 people in Europe where the best football is played and 9 of them will say: Brazil.
@@RyakkiBaka if that's so, I'd genuinely be very honored
@@tufab3494 Brazilian football is celebrated. They consistently put forward teams that are a joy to watch.
Those malmo moves in the 2min mark seemed very impressive, i went from "this doesnt look good" to "wow, thats some syncing". Give me "lets shake it up a little..." vibes
Great summary. Thanks! Two things: I) how might teams defend against this? Ii) how might this new style be recreated in FM23?!? Thanks.
Já tentei recriar no FM, dava liberdade pra metade dos jogadores hahaha
And that same game in the begining when you were showing Elfsborg-Malmöl they lost with 3-0 without a single shot towards the goal :)
So excited
Would really love to see how they defend. In my mind if you lose the ball and have a player. say like trent who can switch play easily, wont you end up being exposed on that flank. Or if you face a team who typically have more possesion than your team,how will your defensive structure look like since your play style is based around having the ball.
This reminds me a lot of Arsenal in the 00s. That quick, dynamic one-touch-football they were so famous for in that period
I think that doing this in the higher pitch is very good to create chaos and break hard defences (if the team has talented players with good passing and dribling skills), but in the lower pitch I don't think this is recommended, too risky to lose the ball and get a counterattack. I would be nice to see also your analysis about these teams while they are not with the ball, if there is a difference too while they are defending.
Diniz applies it everywhere in the field, to the cardiac test of Fluminense fans. They play with too much unnecessary risk when in their field. They lose possession in dangerous areas.
I like the style, but he should be more conservative when starting a play in his field.
For whatever reason, his teams are also very prone to huge swings during a season. They can be spectacular or awful during the same season. I wonder if this is just a coincidence or if it does have anything to do with the style? Is it too much player and chemistry dependent? If you lose a player, will the replacement have a hard time to build chemistry?
Great points👍
Only thing I do have to say about the closeness of players to occupy more possession is that didn’t Julian Nagelsmann basically do that for the last like 4-5 years? In the attack he gets his teams super narrow and more onto one side
We coaches call it "Functional Play" here in Brazil... It's pretty adapted to the way we (South Americans in general) are taught to play since we are very young, and also to the way we are used to play in the street or any other place available
Parece mto futsal, junta 5 mano no espaço de uma quadra e fica girando a bola, tocando e passando, etc. acho foda
Tem criança jogando bola na rua ou em qualquer espaço disponível em todo o lado no mundo. Isso não existe só no Brasil.
@@andrepereira744 Mas há diferenças. Brasileiros e europeus aprendem a jogar bola de forma diferente, em condições diferentes, em culturas diferentes, sob filosofias diferentes. A tendência de se jogar próximo e agrupado vem principalmente dos nossos campos de pelada, onde a bola corre de forma muito irregular, o que desaconselha passes longos. E aqui no Brasil o futebol de rua sempre foi o mais forte do mundo, até pelo nosso clima favorável durante o ano todo.
@@luiz8523 Amigo, comparações são sempre complicadas, mas comparar o Brasil com a Europa é injusto e errado. O Brasil é um país só. A Europa são vários, e com muitas diferenças a todos os níveis, incluindo futebol. Não existe um só tipo de futebol Europeu. O futebol Italiano, não é igual ao Inglês. O Alemão não é igual Português. Se bem que nos dias de hoje com a globalização, com a informação, com o futebol negócio, as diferenças a nível global, tem tendência a diminuir.
Claro que se formos falar dos países do Norte da Europa, onde há neve e gelo praticamente todo o ano, com pouca luz solar, etc, realmente não é o mais indicado para jogar na rua, logo, à partida haverá menos praticantes de futebol no geral, e menos aptidão.
Mas a Europa não é só gelo e frio. Todos os países no Sul da Europa têm bom tempo.
E mesmo que esteja frio, vento ou até alguma chuva, joga-se à mesma sem problema, porque é o clima que estamos habituados.
As crianças que jogam na rua não pensam em "condições diferentes, em culturas diferentes, sob filosofias diferentes", só pensam em jogar à bola e marcar golos, como em qualquer lado.
"A tendência de se jogar próximo e agrupado vem principalmente dos nossos campos de pelada, onde a bola corre de forma muito irregular, o que desaconselha passes longos. "
Não digo que não, amigo. Mas mais uma vez, isso também existe noutros lados.
Eu mesmo, quando era novo, quando jogava à bola na rua com os meus amigos/vizinhos, jogávamos na rua estreita onde vivíamos, que era uma estrada esburacada, onde não se percebia onde começava a terra e pedras, e acabava o alcatrão. Com casas dos dois lados da rua. Onde ocasionalmente passava carros, motas e outros transportes, pessoas a pé. Com alguns carros estacionados.
Que nos obrigava a fazer as duas balizas voltadas para o mesmo lado, isto é, como tivessem na mesma lateral de um campo de futebol. E isto tudo, numa ladeira!
Com isto tudo, posso lhe garantir que passos longos e/ou força excessiva, não era o que mais usávamos.
@@andrepereira744 Sim, amigo, falei Europa de forma geral. É claro que há diferenças entre os países europeus, e é claro que faz sol na Europa. Mas no Brasil pode-se jogar na rua todo dia, o ano inteiro, pois vivemos num país tropical que permite que seja assim, mais do que em qualquer outro. Hoje isso não ocorre mais, na verdade, os jovens brasileiros estão em casa no computador, no videogame e no celular, o futebol de rua praticamente acabou no Brasil, mas ocorreu durante muitas décadas e com uma popularidade que beirava o inacreditável.
E, até por questões econômicas mais favoráveis, as crianças europeias em geral tendem a jogar em campos de melhor qualidade que as brasileiras. Na infância tive um amigo que jogava bola conosco em campos de terra, os pais dele se mudaram para a Holanda, e depois de três anos ele voltou para nos visitar. Ele não conseguia mais jogar descalço como nós (disse que na Holanda só jogava de chuteiras e em gramados), e era visível que ele tinha passado a jogar um pouco mais distanciado dos outros jogadores em campo. Os jogadores de diferentes países não são iguais, têm estilos diferentes, assim como os cidadãos desses países. Cultura de um povo se expressa também no futebol, e ela não precisa ser racionalizada, ela apenas existe e passa a fazer parte das pessoas que a vivem, e de forma inconsciente. Concordo que as culturas (na sociedade e no futebol) estão cada vez mais heterogêneas, com a globalização, com a imigração de todos os povos para todos os continentes, mas muitos traços ainda são mais fortes em determinadas culturas do que outras. É fato que o jogador europeu, em geral, tem uma tendência maior aos aspectos tático e disciplinar do jogo posicional, e o brasileiro ao improviso e à criatividade do jogo funcional. Acredito que o jogador e o futebol português possam ter muitas semelhanças com o futebol brasileiro, vistas já nas peladas de rua em Portugal, pela grande quantidade de técnicos e jogadores brasileiros que receberam ao longo da história, mas não creio que o mesmo se aplique às demais escolas europeias de futebol, como a alemã, inglesa ou italiana, que tradicionalmente sempre jogaram um futebol mais disciplinado e avesso à imprevisibilidade.
I feel like this is a sort of "natural" option for a lot of European teams anyway. There's been a bit of a return to "street football" among kids, and a lot of guys coming through academies will talk about their experiences in the football cages and narrow streets etc now. In those environments you have to play like this, so the ability is there, and usually it gets coached out of them when they enter structured environments like academies etc. But equally, this ability to improvise (and the close control etc that develops from drills which resemble this) is valued among coaches. So maybe now we're seeing more willingness to try and bridge the gap? A tried and tested way to defeat orthodox tactics in most sports is to make heavy use of improvisation and unorthodox approaches, after all.
I hope you reply this comment, as a Milan fan it looks like Pioli plays a similar style. Of course modified like Malmos one but it looks more of a relationship style than one to conquer space.
The obvious benefit is that you constantly have a numerical advantage around the ball...
The downside is that any switch of play makes you completely vulnerable.
love this
Superb video, and well noted, Diniz is quite unpopular in Brazil, but this style of play totally suits Brazilian skillful fast players. very hard to defend against.
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Guess relationism could work better for national teams than for club football, as clubs have a 50 to 80 matches per season and therefore can not keep the same line-up for the whole season.
whoa this is like they play 5v5 at every side of opponent, progressing ball to final third so efficient than guardiola tactics, it will requires full understanding of team mates, zoning own team mates to cover ball carrier and quality of passing and ball comtrol, and add flairs and paces will be unstoppable
I can see Guardiola taking notes📝
One thing that is common amongst all of these set-ups is that there are always many players available to pass the ball to.
As a Real Madrid fan, I feel that those kind of overloads are easy to witness through our matches (particularly on the left flank).
Everyone plays midfield now and Alaba and Rudigar presses the keeper
Anyone who has coached junior football will recognise this style of play. It is apparent in say an under 11's match where smaller players have progressed from half pitch to vast expanses of full pitch. They simply don't have the strength project the ball deep into an opponents half or switch from wing to wing. Consequently you end up with congestion around the ball which leads to a different set of tactics based on the physical capabilities of individual players in an effort to exploit the space available. Reference to futsal, also prevalent in junior football along with the school yard and other informal settings is very relevant, but again has a completely different methodology particularly when cycling substitutes creating a constant flux of combinations.
Initially seeing it, it reminds me of rugby (union or league) where the objective on wing play is to get that extra man overload. Sure things get tight and complicated at times, but if you can get 4 defenders guarding 5 attackers, the attackers will win.
It does leave you pretty open to counter attacks though. If your players aren't technically sound, and the opposite team has a couple speed merchants (basically any top 7 team in any European league), you've given half the field for them to send a long diagonal clearance ball to go chase.
This is awesome
Girona is also doing a version of this and is seing success on La Liga.
Btw, Diniz's Fluminense just won the Libertadores da America with this style.
girona joga o jogo de posição em sua total essência
PSG used to do that under Tuchel
Maybe interesting to look up Arne Slot?
I'm sure his tactics will attract a lot of eyes in the upcoming UCL season with Feyenoord.
Question: if they lose the ball to a fast counter-attacking team with the ability to get the ball over to the "unmanned" space, how quick can they get into shape? Some players will have to run a long way.
Interesting to see a Swedish team following this model , teams in that region of the world play very organised football. Look at the football that Kl Klaksvik play for example
I feel like Bielsa and post-Bielsa Chile played like this. I remember they had a lot of players in a very small area of the field, bam-bam-bam and then suddenly some player was sprung.
Whether this will take off or not is yet to be seen, but we will definitely be seeing more and more tactical innovation in coming years to combat the established principles of positional play and find weaknesses in those principles.
Já descolou faz tempo, Brasil ganhou 5 copas sendo relacionista, esse estilo não é de hoje.
Ten Haag did this sort of system against Juventus in 2018, in the return leg. Look for Luca Bedogni's analysis of that match. Five players overloading one side out of their natural positions
It looks as if only one team used these tactics, we see new passing patterns and in general, beautiful football at work. But I believe, it is possible if we put two of these teams against each other, we won't have the same passing patterns emerge. Because if two teams crowd a side of the football pitch we can, it could get way too crowded. I could see it play out like school football where everyone just runs at the football. Or it might just look like the footballers are having a futsal match. Anyways I see it becoming a good tactic against teams who play heavy possession-style football. I don't believe it would become a meta of the sport, but I certainly see it rising and being adopted more.
part of the reason malmö can play like this is because their bench costs more than any other teams starting 11. they have way way way more money than any other team does in sweden and they take advantage of that. what you notice when you watch them is that they are very patient at waiting for a good chance before they take a shot, they will hold the ball and pass it around until they see an opportunity that more or less guarantees the goal
This type of football is really beautiful.