What If Endless Matryorbshkas? - Peglin [Modded]
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2022
- Peglin is a Pachinko Roguelike - Fight enemies by collecting special orbs and popping pegs to deal damage. Acquire special relics that radically change the game and ensure no two runs are the same. Aim carefully to survive in this unique turn-based RPG!
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To add to the "why aren't the devs doing as much as the modders!1!" thing - game dev is hard like you say, modding is comparatively easy. The basis is already there, as a modder I can effectively just change a few numbers and it'll look like I've done a lot, because all the hard work has already been done by the game devs.
Not only that but often modders let the player choose what is fun, balanced, and sometimes stable. They can let you crank things to 11 and take away any kind of challenge and crash your game like wander did.
A game dev has to balance things themselves, and that's hard to get right.
ONG you are the enlighted one
another thing, game devs have to really make sure to iron out every bug and make sure most people like the game, which takes time, modders are more free to do whatever they want and dont need to iron out every little bug
On top of that, it's 1 dev making an entire game, vs A TON of modders each tweaking a different part or adding a different thing so their output will always dwarf what a dev can do
yes that is correct, then again how much do you guys think there is going to be more content before or after the release.. because i can already see this launching as is. they already made the buck
If I had to guess I’d say the reason you froze was because the matrorbshka shell stacked with matrorbshka balls to take the multiball up to 11.
Quick math says that 2 to the 11th is 2048. I don't think the game was coded with this in mind
@@markrobison5199 exponential growth is often underestimated lol 2^8 would "just" be 256
He probably should have started with a multi ball 5 matroshka shell and a lvl 1 matroshka ball he'd have to upgrade. In the end he would've hit the 500 balls, that's already enough haha
It's one louder...
:D
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Actually i think it multiplies as scary as that is
@@ConnorSinclairCavin it's exponential. It multiplies by two 11 times. Exponentiation is just when you have the same number multiplied x times.
Some online videos are smooth.
Some are more like slideshows.
This one hit screenshot territory early on.
I'd say that topic is maybe more relevant to Minecraft than ever. The devs are always getting questions about why they're so slow at updating the game when modders can bring out new content so quickly. Never mind that a number of the people on the Minecraft dev team are ex-modders. In the end an official Minecraft update has to be acceptable to the majority of the playerbase; support a wider variety of hardware specs and platforms; be supported not just for the current version of the game but future versions; and do a whole bunch of other things that just aren't required of mods.
There are probably features that the Minecraft devs would be able to release right now if all they had to worry about was Minecraft on the PC, but which can't be released because they don't know of a good way to get them working with touchscreen controls.
I bet the whole thing is spaghetti-code or at least was at some point, which slows down further development. Also I guess Notch is a lazy fuck, before he sold it, Minecraft could barely be called a game, rather simply just a sandbox.
On the other hand, at the start, Minecraft had updates all the time. There were 101 updates in 2010. Minecraft really didn't have much at the start, but because of that, it was able to quickly add lots of small features. I think the constant updates really helped keep things fresh. Peglin on the other hand had 22 updates in 2021, and 44 updates since it came out. I'm not trying to say that's a bad thing since Peglin was obviously a much more full-featured game from the start, but it means there isn't as much room for improvement that can be used to keep people's interest.
minecraft literally just makes a different video game for pc and mobile/consoles (java and bedrock)
@@dinoaurus1 Bedrock is also available on PC ("Windows 10 Edition"), and they're actually trying to shift peoples' focus to Bedrock. It won't happen until they finish their modding framework for Bedrock, but that *is* coming; however, I don't think Bedrock will ever see the kind of modding community support that Java has.
Man converts Peglin into a powerpoint presentation in 3.5 minutes
The reason you were having issues specifically with the Matryorbshka is because it tacked on an additional three levels of multiball on top of the eight you'd given your modded Matryoshka Doll, thus exceeding the 8x "limit" the mod warned you about 😊
*sees the first Matryorbshka fill the screen*
Yeah, that's pretty much how a nuke works.
The laughter at 3:17 needs to be a couple of octaves deeper and with the Frankenstein thunder sound-effect in the background for the correct mad-scientist flavor to come through correctly.
Build idea:
I feel like you're gravitating towards the end of Peglin series for now, but if you want to do multiball run again, I would propose:
- Multiball 6 (or so, it's rough estimation)
- Starting with only 1 orb (i.e splatorb) and not adding more
- Starting with Eye of Turtle and Mental Mantle
Basic idea of the run is - you deal no damage with your shots, but you have to use targeting and damage from Mental Mantle.
Starting with only 1 orb and not many items allows the run to progress and give a little bit of thrill at least at times.
Which orb have we never seen him use?
Omegorb :v
People complain because:
A) Their anti-broken-runs approach that lead to them nerfing fun things while the game still has a borderline unbeatable hard mode.
B) They don't put out "simple" content patches like new orbs/relics.
C) It costs 20$ while in EA so people expect to see 20$ worth of stuff, there was always the choice of going for 5$ or 10$ and then increasing it on launch.
I think part of the lack of updates for the game is from a lack of what to expect going in. Other content creators had told them that they should only expect a fraction of the people that have wishlisted the game to actually buy it and then to expect sales to go up after about a year or so after the release since they were a new studio. What actually ended up happening was they sold more than the number of wishlisted and panicked a bit to meet expectations since suddenly the game was super popular and they were being flooded with bug reports on their discord with only two people working on the code for the game. They probably thought they had more time to work and flesh it out before more people would buy it. It's also early access, the game isn't even out fully so people should really tame their expectations.
Just so that everyone understands the scale of things here two to the power of eight is more then two hundred and fifty. That means that two to the power of ten is about a thousand.
I like how the damage changed from 9k to 20k to 40k to 90k to 200k to 400k
This was glorious! Although I hope the next time you do a run like this, you're hopefully picking up a few more orbs. Just so we can se the sillyness that say a lightning orb or a boulder or a refreshorb provides
lightning orb would evaporate the pegboard ngl
Imagine this run with overwhamer
I love how genuine his laughter is
well 8 Multiball already mackes them reach 256 balls (if i understand the Mechanic correctly)
then with the 3 that where on Matroyshka ball already as a baseline that goes up to 11 Multiball
meaning you end up having 2.048 balls on the screen (assuming i missunderstood the mechanic the other possibilitie would be far more so still a crash)
Loving the rambling Wander, keep it up
"You don't have to deal with the full volume version because I compress all of my audio"
You dropped this, king 👑
Great starting line to hear “This run came with a warning label”
it was really nice and interesting to hear your thoughts on this, thank you for sharing :)
Regular matryorbshka is already insane, multiball 3 is really multiball 7 because the copies also double. This is on a whole 'nother level though 😬
I have to give massive credit to any game that can be so brutally chugged and just keep on trucking. Yeah it goes to 10 seconds per frame but most games would cancel their next therapy appointment and kill themselves.
I started eating as I started watching the video. I didn't read the title so I didn't know what to expect. Almost spat out my food all over my keyboard on that first level.
hearing star trek references and knowing like, a smidge of people probably actually understand them hurts my soul
I dub this build 'The Geiger Counter'
I honestly believe the moddability of the game is a strong point to me. Mods can be more diverse then a development team might consider worth the risk, they can be super hard or easy depending on what the modder wants, even if it only appeals to a very small group of players. Things that developers could never honestly spend time doing.
The Devs have given modders a very easy platform to mod. With just Orbs and Pegs, the mob opportunities are very large. I wouldn't be surprised if this game becomes one that is mainly bought to play the mods for it. Plenty of games have fallen into this genre before, and thrive still.
13:55 Wanderbots: "I'd love to try it with orbsium"
Also Wanderbots:*skips orbsium two fights earlier*
16:46 MORE ORBSIUM SKIPPING???
@@vincehomoki1612 He then proceeded to skip even more Orbsiums at 18:32 and 30:12
I 100% agree that making a game is hard. I have done level 2 and level 3 games design in college and for me, it was a long stressful process to make sure what I made looked as good as I could make it and that everything worked as it should.
Why use matryorbshka when every orb is matryorbshka? Why not use swoltorb?
I guess I’ll be more specific, for usefulness: Retry the times 8 with a different orb. The extra 3* split pushed it to 11*.
But.... every orb is ALSO swoltorb!
@@Mestai31 The mod he uses actually has new game plus runs and on the harder difficulties, the stone armor as well as matryoshka shell with one matryorbshka and one swoltorb is all you need.
It takes ages to set up but you can't be killed as long as you have a bouldorb to replenish your Armor.
Enemies are super tanky and heal but once your pegs get to 20+ suddenly, instant death. It's great
@@Mestai31 Exactly. Double swoltorb with 8* split? That’s what I want to see.
Another build: your standard + extra split (like 6 wouldn't be overwhelming) + splat 3 + the ghost ball + old meteor relic
mod: "how many dupes do you want for this?" wander: *"YES."*
Didn't play minecraft when it first came out but started to get into it with a mod that was like pokemon named pixelmon was super fun and scrap mechanic was a game that had my attention with the creative ideas and awesome builds but when survival came out it was just nice to play but honestly if there was a game I would buy for myself it would have to be Valheim it's super fun and and leveling the skills makes it interesting and with the slow release of new content thankfully not as slow as scrap mechanic otherwise I would have deleted the game by now. Great vid dude.
I noticed that wander likes to say the phrase "real answer" a lot, it's kinda interesting to just try and count the number of times it's said, cause it kinda just gets the point across at that moment.
And with the dev thing, at least a lot of these devs are pushing updates, I know with some companies like landfall they will put out a game and then never touch it again
Ok but TABG gets regular update so I think you just don't like landfall.
another run that would be stupid broken would be bob-orbs with this level of matryoshka. might be kinda fun to watch
I think a contributing factor to people being "upset", I'll use that term to be nice, is that the game hasn't seen much in terms of content, but it has seen some big nerfs. It gives the impression the dev is more focused on tweaking stuff than fleshing out the game.
That said, people need to not be a dick about it. 1 we don't know what's actually being worked on. 2 you bought into early access, this is the risk that comes with it.
yeah people buying EA games need to realise what it is - a game being released that isn't finished as a way to grab at some funding
its why i don't buy EA games. i don't agree with what early access has turned into and how its constantly used now, so i opt out. if someone opts in, its your choice and you're responsible for that choice and its consequences or outcomes
the thing is as a roguelike, its very important that one build doesnt massively outshine the others, you can have all the content in the world but if you have to g et extremely lucky to get a perfect bomb build to even reach the content theres an issue
Something pretty cool would be an "Attract" relic. All active orbs on the screen would be attracted to your mouse each time you click for a set duration of time, or a set amount of times.
The nerf on the magnet is understandable, but makes the relic less fun in my opinion. I think an attract orb that works like mentioned above would be a great replacement.
I'm wondering if the extreme lag might have something to do with refreshing a peg that overlaps a ball, dozens of times per refresh, with multiple refreshes in quick succession (due to having some of those overlapping pegs being refreshes).
It seems like the really bad lag is always during excessive refreshing on really dense maps.
Making a game is a single person to a team making a stable platform, mods can be thousands of different people building off that platform. Modders will always make more than the game maker as more people working on them and little to no reprocussion if their mod is unstable
I think another one with this matryorbshka level would be fun. Using only level 3 bomborbs and starting with matryorbshka shell and gift, try to beat the game without running out of pegs. The only banned relics are recombobulator and maybe damage increasing ones.
11:09
The red slime: How the- *gets hit with the force of god*
I hope they release this on console one day. I absolutely love peggle and this rogue-light element seems really interesting.
The "every 2 pegs hit causes damage" relic would be nice.
Don't know if anyone will get this reference, but when the game full breaks the first run reminds me of "crab bombs" in Cortex Command
The Matryorbshkas have faces on them, and they seem to melt through the pegs. I'm calling this the face-melter run.
Remember the 'secret friday updates', i distinctly remember when they added snow.
Now you need the magnet and the meteorite.^^
wait, what happens if crank the multi-ball back up to 8. and use just a lv3 refreshorb
multiball 6 on bouldorbs. absolute chaos should ensue
the only relics (other than the ones you started with) you need are both shaft potions, overwhammer, kinetic meteorite, pocket watch, gift that keeps on giving and the one relic that makes walls count
Overwhammer would've just meant less shots, pocket watch and wall bounces would've done nothing because the base damage was 0 from all of the shells -2/-2 's. The damage was coming from the other relic he started with that gives all pegs hit +1 damage
I agree, like kinda wish rogue likes had the option for you to be able choose to do runs where you get more control of what the drops are
3:17 “You guys like my PowerPoint presentation?”
What if they add a merge mechanic, where you can merge two orbs together into one orb and upgrade the merged one? So like, you can merge a poltorbgeist with rubborb or something
you're probably gonna need mental mantle to make sure you're not soft locked because of lag
ok I take it back. I want to see splotorb with the ability of lightning and a small bit of multiball. Think of the world 2 wall boss and their ENTIRE stage being slimed.
I kinda wanta see the super matrorbska relic with bom-orb and the relic that refreshes bombs. "Its the only way to be sure" build I'd call it.
I would love to see this but with the bouldorb and kinetic meteorite. The amount of stupidity would be unfathomable.
I'd love that or the refreshorb with the 7% chance for bomb at refresh instead of glorious suffering
@@widgetwolftv6730 why not combine both 😈😈
Man,with this build u could make the entire board into bomb with boborb,and I remember seeing a mod to lower bomb damage
I dunno why people would complain about mods doing more than base, being something worth modding is going to be half of the appeal of the game. Community engagement is massive for small games like this. Mods and being mod friendly can make or break a game.
Can we see an updated of this run for the newer versions of Peglin?
Did you seriously call it the Vore Wall!?!?! XD omg
I think it could be fun to do something with a Refreshorb run, but I'm curious what could be done with it. Way I see it, you could either go snowball effect with Glorious SuffeRing, or you could try for a crit run with Critsomallos Fleece, maybe the Light Shaft Potion and Special Button. The original Kinetic Meteorite might be a must either way.
And the Cookie, of course, for immortality memes.
I wanna see someone mod in a build loader where if you get enough stuff for a build it increases the chances of getting more for it
Wander if you don't like the complete randomness of rougelikes I'd like to recommend anvil or neon abyss, you can choose some base relics or weapons based on what you unlock from previous runs.
First 30 seconds in and you got me lagging irl
so if all the matryorbshkas were contained in each other, how dense would it have to be? like i feel like it would probably be enough for a black hole or something lol
with overwhammer you would be able to use it's full potential ngl
I love the fact that Wanderbot already laughs when he sees 20 million Matryorbshkas in the game.
And the other orbs as well.
I like it when people try to assume good intentions. There's enough negativity in the world, so it's nice when folks try to bring some positivity in.
29:50 "Am I doing a million damage? I don't... Think... So...."
5,929,804 damage roll that was on screen when I paused: Am I a joke to you?
Run idea: every healing item, but also the item that makes every bomb is the red bombs.
I think the rough thing about Peglin and early access and yadda yadda is that presently you can see everything the game has to offer in two runs. There's a bomb run and a peg stacking run, and mixes between the two. Likewise, it's easy 'beaten' in an hour or less of play. For a rogue-lite, that's not a lot of replayability.
EDIT: You mention that at the point you're at, you have 31 hours of gameplay. That's also including modded time, and this is all streamed; the average player isn't getting the streaming value out of it, and the literal profit from it, and will likely move on long before that.
As profitable as paid early-access is, it's a good way to burn out your players with an incomplete game. Content creators get the game a massive amount of attention, everyone plays it, gets bored, and the spark vanishes.
MORE EDIT: I'm not mad at the developer or anything, nor do I own Peglin. I'll wait until full release, and I hope for the best. Right now, though, there isn't enough to make me want to join early access and I'll just enjoy it vicariously from people who can warrant buying it now.
Hey Wander, just wanted to say, I like your feedback on some things! A friend and I are soon going to start making games for real and what you said about having control on roguelikes and wanting to have a certain build on a run made me think of something, we are definitely adding a system that helps with that if we ever make a roguelike! Porbably add a "synergy" system that reads what build you have so far and tries to give at least one option for it while still giving other random options for branching!
Take backpack hero for instance, I'd add a hidden value to bows that gives them X% of chance to give you arrows when you loot enemies... or something along those lines. That would keep the feeling of randomness but still make the player feel great about their build choice!
Having a roguelike try to identify what combos/builds/synergies that players are aiming for, and actively weight the drop tables accordingly could be really cool.
IE: if I'm doing a no armor run in Backpack hero, reducing the frequency of low/mid-tier armor would be super nice for me as a player- especially if it means more arrows/daggers/gems/whatever else I'm building for. And then the few armor pieces that are offered should be wilder, more run-changing ones that can potentially lure me away from my currently established build, which would keep things feeling fresh from run to run.
@@wanderbots Exactly! Having that would be extremely healthy for the game's longevity and replayability! I take that kinda as my philosophy when coming up with game designs, it's all about keeping it fresh, interesting and optimizing player experience!
Having things go your way while also having great pivot points sounds optimal!
Welcome to my slideshow presentation lol
this be like:
*peglin takes an orb out of his satchel.
*peglin takes another orb out of his satchel.
*this repeats for the next 3 hours.
i'd like to see them not add more orbs or bosses, but levels because after a while it gets a little repeditive
"..cavern kings came out 7 years ago or something like that, 2006-2007 something".
I have news for you, WB...
Time is an illusion. And terrifying.
About the Cube World, I would disagree that it's fair to say Wolfram should have communicated more and push more updates, as the slow rate of updates and most of the issues with development of Cube World came from anxiety and depression caused by overwhelming demands of people to give them more updates, combined with basically a trauma after huge DDOS attack at their servers right on the game launch.
It might be true that game had potential that went hugely unused, but to say Wolfram should have done more, while he couldn't do more exactly because of people demanding of him to do more, is... quite unfair.
Generally though, I highly agree with your elaboration on game development and so on, I think it's very important topic to talk about as it's so often disregarded (which hurts mostly small indie teams and solo devs)... So seriously, thank you for the discussion!
Stories like his make me afraid to make games.
Today I found out if you blow up all the bombs inside the picture of the chest, it gives you a new item. Only works once per act though.
I’m about as old as Minecraft let’s go!
Let's game it out.
For future busted runs, you should consider upping enemy HP by like 50x or 100x, saw Sifd do it, and it made it slightly more fair, I do mean slightly tho lol.
Now we do this plus bomb spam
"I need to work on my video essays again"
I can agree though about people being ridiculous with early access games. I'm actually considering doing the game design thing myself (quit work, taking a break to work on a card game, may do the game design thing later) and I know that if I religiously interact with the player base I'll just be dealing with thousands of haters commenting mean things about how I need to fix X now instead of Y which is stupid and nobody will use (which is the counter argument to the other group of players hating on Y because X is superior and should be buffed). If I do go into doing the game design thing, I'll certainly read commentary, but I don't think I'm going to take too much of it to heart. Especially if it isn't constructive (i.e. "X is broken, it should do Y when I Z but doesn't")
I agree with that "its hard to make video games" like im into cs and im struggling to make a fucking maze, so if you do THIS youre already amazing
Slideshow simulator, the run. XD
If you explode all bombs in the chest room you can get a second item
I want the ultimate memorb run
Theoretically halving it is -1 bc it is exponential
Shout out to Wollay for being shut down and coming back, he a real one.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? YOU MADMAN! xDD
Set Bomb damage to like, 20, then Bomb-orb Matrorbshka Shell x5-6 Recombombulator? (so effective bomb damage would be 5)
4:10
bloody 5 spf there.
You mentioned Minecraft when it came out, and the flop that was Scrap Mechanic, my question to you is: Have you considered or played Space Engineers?
Dunno if you did it but: Relic turning bombs into red bombs + 1 level 3 bomborbs.
Refreshorb with this would be stupid
Also, kinetic meterorite for extra chaos
@3:44 Dear GOD!
Do a reload only run. Give yourself the "on reload" relics and the ouroboros orb and see how far you can get.
How about an endless run, akin to Backpack Hero, where the HP scales with each loop
SPLAT ME UP, BROTHER