Tenor Keeps Screwing Up while Bernstein Conducts - Awkward Sequence
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- čas přidán 17. 11. 2014
- Bernstein conducts his own score form West Side Story in the recording studio, and has a "fun" time with a poor tenor who keeps screwing it up. I really can't blame Jose Carreras - it's just a great tense sequence caught on film.
- Krátké a kreslené filmy
This isn't people screwing up, this is professionals doing their work at a very high level.
@@mikearmando This is the same as with any profession- it's a group effort. Nobody reaches a high level without the guidance and help of other people.
As the great Pavarotti said- Singing is not a work, it's a leasure time. You can't call singing a profession.
Working at a high level sure, but this is a very off day for Carreras. When he went to the wrong key? You can tell he is extremely perturbed with himself. He was having trouble keeping his eyes on Lenny for whatever reason. Happens to even the best musician. But, definitely a rough day for Jose.
And he’s not just “a tenor”, he’s maestro José Carreras !
Although this is true, he really couldn’t keep tempo some of the time. It was 50/50 for me lol
Bernstein is the only guy whose cigarette gets longer when he smokes and is pissed off
Talent does not excuse you of douchebaggery.
brilliantly funny
my comment "brilliantly funny" is directed at Jonswan...very clever yours
I thought based on Opera and what some said... that singers for example in Opera don´t follow conductor... It is the opposite conductor and orchestra watch the singers to follow them.
@@alaalfa8839 Sometimes, but that's simply not possible for most of the opera because it's not just one soloist singing, it's an ensemble. The maestro is the leader of the ensemble, not the singer.
This "tenor" is José Carreras, one of the best ever. I have been in recordings as an orchestra member, and it can get difficult after repeating time after time, since you get tired and other factors do affect as well.
Sorry, but Jose Carreras is truly second rate
@@mrsisrael6218 And you are ? Yes a nobody.
@@normalhispanicdude 🤣
@@mrsisrael6218 Do you sing better? Show us!
@@mrsisrael6218if you consider him as a second rate. Don't rate at all
There is nothing worse than a composer conducting his own score (In general) because he knows every single micro error & nneds re-take after re-take.
Yes, especially when the music sucks too.
Bernstein is one of the most exalted conductors of the 20th century.
Carreras is not making "micro errors" here. He is butchering the composer's written rhythms and Lenny had every right to be pissed. You pay a professional to show up prepared.
@@MrRuplenas There is a back story to this. Most leading Tenors usually have about 6-8 months to properly learn the entire show but for unforseen circumstances Careras only had about 3 months to learn it all hence the many errors. This was one of the most unenjoyable soundtrack recordings i ever played in. Morrcone had a very short fuse & over those 2 days recording virtually every player copped a spray from him. This was in Careras" infancy as a singer & kicked on to have a great career as a Tenor. RIP to Ennio, a true genius with music & a no filter, straight up, take no prisoners man. His music will live on. Looking back at this recording he did not look well & he smoked a lot. He will be missed.
@@infundomarisBut it doesn't.
How sad to see José Carreras almost crying. He is such a good ténor, gorgeous voice, wonderful artist.
what?? I did not see that
@@123splendide7 can't you see how upset he is, loosing his self confidence? He is in distress.
@@isabs8616 I see him working very concentrated, no distress but stress
@@123splendide7 3:05.
he but hes shit at keeping time
I love how Bernstein stops the recording engineers from trying to correct Jose's accent! Way to stand up for that man!
I'm not sure if he was standing up for him, Bernstein was more concerned about Carreras being on tempo.
And yet if Bernstein had allowed some text corrections to take place Carreras might have got closer to being in time. The fact is this is a very wordy song - lots of lyrics. Even native English language singers would have to have a certain dexterity of articulation to sing it.
Carreras had worked mainly in Italian and Spanish with the odd excursion into French. I doubt very much if there was a great rehearsal period prior to recording and because singers have so much to do at one time - producing the voice correctly, breathing, hitting the right notes and rhythm as well as words and interpretation, listening and staying in tune Carreras struggled with all those consonants and groups of consonants that pepper the English language.
The basic principle is the that the vowel sounds on the beat and the consonant slightly before to help keep the rhythm flowing, but if the singer is struggling with consonants ( especially with the ending of one word and beginning of the next) then there is a cumulative effect and they get behind the beat.
Rehearsal and recording sessions can be stressful and there is the clock to consider - all credit to Carreras he tried to deliver the goods here.
That's producer John McClure, who by that point has produced over 200 of Bernstein's recordings over 25 years, so you can assume they had a pretty good working relationship.
IOWA you are referring to Mr. John McClure Check out his accomplishments and professional relationship with Mr Bernstein.
when (in the video)?
I love how he was so pissed off that the sound engineer was calling him up on his accent. The last thing we need is this scared tennor insecure
I thought he meant that telling correct pronunciation over the microphone is unhelpful because of how that’s difficult to hear, should do it in person face to face. Or that he meant it just wasn’t the right time to do when they’re focussing on the singing part.
I don't see what it had to do with the sound engineer anyway.
@@williamstephens9945 Really?
@@williamstephens9945 This would have annoyed me too. One conductor at a time, especially when things are getting stressful. There's absolutely no room for people correcting each other, and had Bernstein let the engineer keep talking, it would have had a negative impact on morale and teamwork. Bernstein was right to put his foot down.
I give Lenny credit for that. He wasn't cruel to Jose, but he was outright bitchy with the self appointed "elocution coach".
The finished recording is lovely. We’re seeing them working through it. When you’re stressed (and your conductor is telling you you’re failing), time is the hardest thing to fix on the spot. Jose Carreras’ voice is beautiful.
Agreed. The final audio product is very fine.
Poor Carreras.. talk about a miscast. Such a talented tenor.. but this must have been murder for him.
Couldn't agree with you more about Carreras - he was totally out of his depth with this music and struggles constantly with his diction.
+waltzguy14151
Au contraire, mon frere. It was more like suicide for him, and murder for the folks listening to his homicidal attempts at singing this musical genre ;)
So true, his accent makes him sound like a Puerto Rican spy who has somehow passed himself off as a member of the Jets!
So, when Bernstein, who composed the damn thing, wants Carreras to play the part of Tony; he surely MUST be wrong and all you nitwits must be right? How arrogant can you be?
Whereas you are enlightened enough to realise that Bernstein was beyond fault, of course. :P
As a fellow singer, this sounds like a nightmare and I would totally be having a mental breakdown.
Yes, you are absolutely right!
I don't know how Carreras coped at all!
I thought he'd have a heart attack at one point!
I'm a singer too and it's so humiliating when a temperamental conductor, who is having a bad day, starts correcting you in front of a full choir and orchestra!
You automatically think your wrong even if some of the orchestra tell you that the conductor is going too fast.
This happened to me and I approached my conductor in PRIVATE, and asked him to please slow down and thank goodness he did, but I was shaking with fear as I was asking him as he could be very brusque.
Yeah, being forced in public to repeat orders that are never right...uh huh; it's fatigue time.
@@melmatthews5876 a good conductor you have there.
shouldnt be singing if you cant keep tempo
@@zoomerphilosopher4057 this a bit of a higher level than I’m sure you’re used to. It has nothing to with keeping tempo, it has much more to do with interpretation. I’m sure Jose had zero problems with tempo
Berstein + orchestra and studio that costs $400/minute + engineer correcting your friggen accent + film crew = a little bit of pressure, I think
Bernstein had the right idea to shut the engineer down; It wasn't the time to start about another and possibly smaller issue.
The guy was nervous enough indeed just having trouble with the performance.
Not to mention the orchestra members on union time with less than average pay.
It sucks having an off day, especially when the entire group is waiting on you to be in the groove. It happens to all musicians, just have to try to keep composed. Depending on how high the stakes are, it's not always easy.
Except that Bernstein's racial denigration and contempt is not the universal conduct among musicians. It was totally uncalled for. @@jonathanparle8429
This rhythm is simply alien to any classical trained musician. Jose Carreras started singing as a child and can certainly read music, but this score is as great as it is complicated.
There are many classically trained musicians who can do Pop and Jazz quite well, they have a feel and rapport and comfort with the music and the style. Carreras is not one of them. His performances of Pop music and he recorded a lot of it are routinely, stiff and formal. He sings a simple love song the same way he sings Puccini .Hadley or Leech would have been at home with this music and familiar with the work. Carreras( coming in on short notice, English not being his first language and unfamiliarity with musical Theater) was operating at a distinct disadvantage here and Bernstein was really a beast! Lovely voice for classical music and shown off to best advantage in the classical idiom.
According to jazz pianist, Barry Harris, a lot of classical people don't know chord progression of a certain piece and lack of improvisation skills.
@@rockychieng88 I find that classical training can allow you to improvise well but the ability to be a good Jazz musician has everything to do with an inherent feel and affinity for the idiom. Many Classical musicians can be prisoners of the written note and cannot deviate from it.
@@joemiller6975 There’s nothing in this video that suggests Carreras missed improvisation skills. He missed a basic sense of rhythm, singing way ahead of the orchestra. Highly problematic for a professional including in classical music.
@@Edouard16 EXACTLY. This is a simple eighth-note syncopation. The same basic (very basic, in fact) rhythm occurs in all kinds of literature. This guy is rushing like crazy. He's just not in the pocket.
Jose carreras is from Spain and english is not his first language.That had to be really tough for him poor guy.Also,over 150 takes...damn.
It's his Timing that is really dreadful. He keeps RUSHING here, over and over. Yes, there are some diction issues, but it's his rushing the beat that is the main problem here!
He is not "rushing" he is conveying the impassion, impetuosity, the youthfulness of the texte and at the same time make sure not to distord the rhythm.
And there was certainly in that particular case of recording West Side story the problem of not being able to have enough takes because time is counted and rehearsals expensive...Otherwise every body would have stayed calm...
He is, without any room for doubt, rushing. He knows it himself, the sound engineers hear it, the conductor hears it, and any listener with musical training hears it as well. Implying it was intentional when you can see the anxiety on his face and hear the complaints of the engineers and conductor is an incredible stretch of the imagination. And to your other point, at 1:36 the engineer says it's take 130.
You are laying out an enormous amount of defense for Carreras in the comments for some reason, but the fact is even the best performers in the world are not perfect. They make mistakes, they have bad days, and sometimes they just are not accustomed to certain material. He was simply not performing well and that's the end of it.
+Noelia Jaime
Sorry but you're as clueless as Carreras. His problem wasn't that "English is not his first language." Language had nothing to do with it....he simply had no clue how to sing the musical style in this video.
I saw this years ago and at one point Carreras has tears in his eyes. It was not his fault as he was totally miscast as "Tony", and from what I've heard since, this was recorded either just before, or after Carreras underwent treatment for some sort of cancer! Bernstein was known to be difficult! I'm a soprano myself and I'd be terrified if he was my conductor!
Seriously, this is not a normal rehearsal. It's stressful and unnecessarily so. Bernstein was unprofessional in my opinion.
Just more histrionics from Bernstein, the 20th century's greatest ego..
Yes. Bernstein s big ego took over the situation
@@anabellecorrigan-musicteac5120 It was not a rehearsal at all. It was a recording session.
@@TristanWeijermars Either way, still an ugly display of conduct by the maestro.
Ugg, hard to watch. But you know what I see in Carreras here? Humility and grace! Most would not have withstood this level of pressure. You get nervous, the voice tightens, you get stiff, and all is lost. But Carreras managed to push through. I would also reword this title. Carreras is a world-renowned tenor and has sung on EVER worthy opera stage, and has given the world performances that have already stood the test of time. Let us learn from him, but also respect the man for crying out loud. "Tenor keeps screwing up?" First of all, Carreras is not just some tenor. He is one of history's most RENOWNED tenors.
"You went to G major instead of F major." I am tonedeaf.
I didn't hear it, either...
He took the second exit BEFORE the first. First time he has to go down (F- Major), second time he has to go up (G- Major). He went to G- Major too early.
@@egon4593 thanks.. I missed it.. there was a lot of confusion going on!...
He simply meant G you F'd the majors.
F major comes after take 200 "I dont give a major F!!!
Love seeing the greats struggle. Jose Carreras is an amazing tenor. Seeing him learn as he goes is very inspiring we need more of these videos. They're as human as everyone else but more dedicated imo. Yes of course having his voice helps .
I hate to see others bare deep stress, especially when you experience it yourself you can relate on a whole other level with them. Very human connection
I agree completely
As other comments already stated, the syncopated phrasing is very hard for singers (musicians) coming from a classical background. It sounds rhythmically unresolved to the classical ear and the second eighth notes (I presume this is the case here) sound stiff and either too early or too late. Jose Carreras is a fantastic tenor with a beautiful voice and he certainly knows exactly what his difficulty is and works very hard to get it right. Hats off.
Syncopation is the issue? We learn syncopation in elementary school. And this isn’t a new piece. Perhaps it should have been studied in advance since its premier in 1959. This is peanuts rhythmically. Sorry but he should have studied and practiced more on his own.
@@RyanReskyTrumpeter well here in Europe musical education in public schools is ridiculous. It's of zero merit if you happen to be born in a country that has a much better musical education system.
Nice to see the musical reasoning here.
For bonus music trivia that adds context, one of the things that Bernstein became well-known for was inserting elements of American pop/folk music into the European classical formats. Along with those styles came a bunch of African rhythms that classically-trained musicians had rarely encountered. This led to situations like this. Add a little pressure, a deadline, a cup of coffee, and nothing snaps up. I know I've been there.
The loose feel of folks who don't exactly have the rhythms nailed comes through on the recordings of Bernstein's work. There are sometimes little sections where the European orchestra is doing their 19th century-esque classical stuff... but then has to switch to a rag-time or blues feel and back again. But... it's not quite there. It's the like orchestra switches from uber-tight professionals in tails to a bunch of slightly tipsy friends playing at a wedding, and back again, in eight bars. The slight sloppiness is often stylistically appropriate, in my mind. Personally, I like it. lol
There was a cringe-inducing super-edit of classical musicians trying to play basic poly-rhythms, like quarter-note triplets, etc. If anyone has seen it... I'd love to find it again. I've been in that positions so many times, and it's horrible. You're at a gig for a genre you're unfamiliar with, and it's a black hole of embarrassment and confusion. 1/10 Would not recommend taking good gigs without enough prep.
One of the first and hardest lessons to learn is not to take things personally, not make it about you, always put yourself in listening and learning mode, in service of the music. These kind of repetitions are hard but rewarding. The amount of new knowledge you gather!!
I do take this (not your comment) personally. It's not about Bernstein, either, but he totally made it all about him. The way he communicates is NOT okay and his reputation and aura cannot and should not justify it.
Bernstein was mercurial. He could be the warmest, kindest most considerate man, but he had hot buttons. The "John" at whom he yelled was his long-time producer and friend - and one of the greatest producers of all time, sheparding among others Bernstein's first-in-the-world complete Mahler symphony set - John McClure. Notice the stunned look on his face.
It’s not professional to correct the artist in front of the orchestra, that work is to be done one on one.
@@ninoding That's the entire point of a rehearsal.
@@Vsor I wasn’t talking about Bernstein correcting the tenor, I was talking about the audio engineer correcting the tenor’s pronunciation in front of the whole orchestra. It’s a minor issue and would embarrass the singer since English isn’t his first language.
Wow!
@@ninoding Yeah but Berstein wasn't angry the producer corrected Carreras, he was angry Carreras still needed to be corrected.
LOL 'tenor' like it is some nobody, and it is in fact Carreras; HAHA
that happens on CZcams a lot. I saw a clip that said, "Mohammed Ali and Black Singer on Michael Douglas Show". The "black singer" in question was none other than Sly Stone. LOL
CZcams would take it down otherwise
waltzguy14151 just FYI - I know exactly who is in the clip (I posted this video), but figured it wouldn't be the best idea to point that out in the title.
Chris Nelson but those things happen on practice...even good singers, you make mistakes..your coaches or your conductor give you deadly stare and stops the music/songs
+The Purple Moonwalker
Carreras is a great tenor as long as he sticks with his own musical genre, but it's clear that he was a clueless _nobody_ as he struggled to interpret the music in this video.
You could just see it in Carreras eyes: "shit...i'm gonna be known as the tenor who was fired by the great Leonard Bernstein. My career is ruined!" I will say this for Bernstein, though...as pissed off as he very obviously was, he did a great job of keeping his composure. He never yelled nor did he ever belittled Carreras.
Carreras was struggling with ESL plus the requirement of words being sun at an amazingly swift pace. This shows how much hard work even professionals have to do whether dealing with a different language, pace, medium etc. Carreras was slso diagnosed with cancer not too long afterwards. His hard eork paid off. He did brilliantly at the end result. This shows a very human side of performance that an audience never sees as we see the honed and perfected performance.. Brilliant work.
This is the best ever recorded rehersal. This video is work of art. It is even more amazing then drama itself!!!
i have seen this on tv at the time. later i heard jose had leukaemia. i loved it and it sounds very beautifull. he could do it.
Have you watched Company: The Original Cast Album. It’s an ecstatic documentary
This is like a movie
no. this is a recording session, where you get paid to turn up and do a job. which is why it's so shocking.
People being so serious over making shitty goofy ass music is very entertaining
1:08 "Uh...John! Please don't do this! Don't give elocution lessons over the microphone, okay?!" Don't mess with Lenny :)
I love the "... silly man..... maddening," that he mutters under his breath after that.
He's a jerk.
I hate when people make muaic with rhis mood. Disrespectful to the music. If you dont feel it don't do it. That's it
yup.
@James Jeffrey easy to say when you're not paying for the session...or has the issue of money never occurred to you?
It's not screwing up. It's called a rehearsal. This is how performances are moulded into perfection. We become better artists by making mistakes and learning from them. This situation happens even to the best of us. I'm glad this video was uploaded to remove stereotypical misconceptions that great artists don't need a lot of practice. This video here depicts reality. We all have to work hard to become incredible artists. Those who become legends even go the extra mile. :)
This isn't rehearsal, they did a recording session
I’m pretty sure they’re recording. They’re counting takes
They were recording and he was screwing up.
It’s not a rehearsal. It’s a recording session.
Ohhh. Singing out time and out of key are not screws up. My director will be ecstatic to hear.
Oh wow, thank you so much for sharing! I saw this as part of a documentary on TV when I was a kid. I loved it and bought the vinyl disc, I still have it. With Bernstein in his red jumper on the cover… I listened to it for hours on end.
As a kid, I didn’t realize that Carreras had problems with his part. I was just overall fascinated
Even the greatest singers in the world screw up...it happens...they are human after all.
no way!
+baritonebynight
Jose Carreras is a great tenor, but this music was completely wrong for him. The problem wasn't his English, it was his lack of timing, He just didn't 'get it.'
***** and you couldn't be more wrong. unless you believe you have the best ears in the world and ONLY if YOU could tell then others might also.
that was quite an arrogant statement on your part.
+NativePrairieWolf
You "couldn't tell what he messed up" because you don't know anything.
I guess I shouldn't be so hard on you though....you're just a prairie wolf.
What a nasty thing to tell. As if your own ears where so expert.
Aw, man, I adore Carreras as a singer but while he definitely has a gorgeous voice, it's very obvious how uncomfortable he was performing this.
@James Jeffrey Such a nonsense
especially with the camera in his faced.
think anybody would be miserable--Bernstein likes to make people miserable. Too bad they didn't pull in Pavoratti--he couldn't read music at all and his ego twice that of Bernstein's, so would have been massive conflict.
It was also extremely last minute
when you can jump in to sing a role on short notice, please tell us about it.
This is the best ever recorded rehorsel! This video is a work of ant. It is ever more amazing then drama itself!
Thank you for positing. This is a great view into the process of getting the performance right and it shows how hard even the greats have to work to get the job done. Incredible.
Imagine being conducted by the person that actually wrote the music!
That's actually pretty standard. Most world premiers are conducted by the composers, dating as far back as recorded (written history, not audio recording) music.
Yes, especially a shitty music like this.
@@omovitruviano "especially a shitty". If your music writing/taste is on par with your english, I suspect you struggle in all areas of life. OOFFF. But Im sure mom still loves you :)
@@omovitruviano Art is the constant chase of beautiful, we perceive art, as something beautiful. I believe this piece is beautiful, therefore in my regard it is art of highest degree.
@@jimjones9900 Not true. Most world premiers are *not* conducted by the composers. The world premiere of West Side Story was not conducted by Bernstein, the world premiere of The Music Man was not conducted by Meredith Willson, none of the famous musicals by Rodgers and Hammerstein had their first performances conducted by Richard Rodgers as far as I know, the world premiere of My Fair Lady was not conducted by Frederick Loewe, etc. It is actually quite rare for the first performance of a famous musical (or for that matter classical piece or any music with orchestra no matter what its genre) to be conducted by the composer.
Not quite my tempo
elchabonification. I agree. I think I would of walk up to him take that litle stick and put it up his ass and then go home.😄😄😄😁😁😁😂😂😂
WERE YOU RUSSIAN OR WERE YOU DRAGON ?
Exactly lol
+David22092001
He was russian away from the dragon 😅
+Rugby8
Too bad you wimped out and deleted your comments in +The Purple Moonwalker's thread. What happened, did you actually come to your senses?....lol.
Outstanding historical original archive moment ! Merci beaucoup from Paris France.
Some singers naturally move within different quantizing measures in songs, and some just need to exercise that muscle over time. Love this example of hard work and patience shown here to get an intended end result. Excellent post! Cheers to music!!!
Carreras’ discomfort and chagrin is so palpable that you can find the sequence on CZcams under the title “Tenor Keeps Screwing Up while Bernstein Conducts-Awkward Sequence,” as if he were some weedy upstart, still wet behind the ears, when in fact, he had just flown in from Verona, where he’d been appearing as Don José in Carmen.
I read in the comments that Bernstein wanted another singer to do the part.
Maybe it'd have been better giving it to Bernstein guy, in fact to any guy provided that he would have one day to study the score and another day of rehearsal with the orchestra before the recording. He could have got Billy Joel. Or Phil Collins.
If you ask me, after knowing all the circumstances, I think Carreras is quite amazing, in his place it would have been me who would have left the room and said "so long", Bernstein, Karajan or Jesus.
Yeah, poor Carreras looks just like I did when I took my first singing lessons at age 9 and I completely messed up. That was my last singing lesson lol
It's normal to expect perfection. Bernstein was probably very demanding, and having Carreras being a huge singer already, kinda makes you expect him to be able to sing this perfectly. Quite astounding that Carreras was just rehearsing that for maybe 1 day and was already quite close
Phil Collins would definitely be quite an interesting choice given his stage experience and musical background
@@conradquek His timing would definitely have been much better but his tone much worse.
@@secretmission7607 I doubt anything would be better. But the clash of egos would have been interesting. Collins can't even read music.
This is when making music zaps the life out of people. So stressful and it’s unfortunate because it’s such a fun score.
For sure. I'm sure we have all been in rehearsal settings like this before and it is just agonizing. Tensions get so high and you can't create a good product when you're on pins and needles.
Don’t forget, there is a lot of money involved (studio time, musician fees, label investments, etc). Yes, must. is fun but to do it at this profession level is a lot of work too. Music is a business too and there are high expectations. Fun is saved for when it is all done and everyone is satisfied with the product.
@@drummer78 totally understand that it’s a business as I am a professional musician. I’ve been in many very stressful situations like this and it doesn’t make the music better. It’s possible to make it exceptionally high level and enjoyable.
@@violindiscoverywithms.lesl4396 I agree. I think perhaps Bernstein was of a different era when conductors, bandleaders, producers, etc would yell and bark orders. Benny Goodman was an example of a band leader who routinely put his Big Band through the paces mentally. I’m regards to the money, I do think these big soundtrack recordings with a full orchestra are probably more intense because I am sure there was a lot of money on the line and it wasn’t a small group environment where the dynamic would be more relaxed.
The fact is has his nose in the score, almost certainly because he is underprepared, he misses the tempo and the spirit. Like you said, it is a great score and he simply is not qualified for singing it absent much, much more practice before recording.
what a treasure. we have this video of exceptionally trained artists working together that is so raw.
This is a fantastic doco. The Role of tony is difficult, particularly rhythmically. It’s definitely out of his comfort zone, but this is how you grow as an artist.
The role of Tony is actually unreasonable. One needs the timbre of a lirico spinto tenor and the jazz feel of a pro broadway or jazz performer. Usually you get the latter, along with nasal, strained high notes and that wobbly "rotten egg" AA vowel that dominates American musical singing.
My heart breaks for this singer. His stress and embarrassment are palpable.
he got over it.
Josè is an artist. He wants to get it right. Bernstein did write the music for West Side Story. Artists are ready to suffer for their art. John Sivorn
Sorry. If he couldn't show up knowing the rhythms cold - and they are syncopations which any professional singer should be able to handle - then he shouldn't have taken the gig. I have zero sympathy for him.
No reason for anyone's heart to break. Just a very long rehearsal. What was that? Take 130? After several hours of recording, and obviously wanting everything right, they just seem and frustrated.
@@MrRuplenasJose Carreras stepped in at the last moment and saved the day for Bernstein.
Bernstein: Why don't we change the title to, "Could it Be, NO IT WON'T!!"
Incredible!! Amazing!! Absolute genius. I would listen to this and have no idea what perfection these artists demand of each other
This whole documentary is amazing..... especially the end when it all comes together. Greatest musical soundtrack ever.
That recording has the weirdest casting ever - Carreras was meant to be a true New Yorker boy, and Te Kanawa a Puerto Rican?! Truly truly odd
Good point. This album was totally unnecessary--and was a commercial flop. Not many opera singers can sing 'broadway' or jazz or folk, they have to make everything formal.
Agreed. I watched this documentary when it was first broadcast on TV and it was truly, toe-curlingly awful. Opera singers, even Dame Kiri, dreadfully miscast.
This is entirely at the feet of wacko Bernstein. He wanted an operatic version and he conducted it for the first and only time. He changed things and was an A7+&457
Bernstein backfired on this adaptation..
@@Maya-bu2rf What is a A7+&457?
I like when he says "JO-OHN! Please don't do this!"
Jeeezus wow!...every 6months or so I am reminded why CZcams is the greatest thing that happened to all of us since sliced bread. Bernstein the genius working with extremely talented humans. The comments give context and even more insight. Thanks for posting!
i just watched this whole Doc last night, honestly Bernstein was pissing me off. through the whole thing he kept berating Jose in front of everyone, while he practically gushed over everyone else. he has a great voice but a pretty strong Spanish accent and he did not have as much time as all the other people to rehearse as he was called in to take another guys place at the last minute. so Bernstein can get a great performance from him with a little patience rather than making him feel like shit in front of every body.
such a supportive environment
He expects perfection and Carreras was underprepared.
Art takes a lot of work, even from great artists. Whatever the longer story here, Jose Carreras will always have my admiration for his talent, determination, and passion. The beauty of his art and the dedication of his humanitarian work have made this world a better place.
This IS humility at its highest.
Rehearsing, honing...touching the Sky. And yet all thé screaming and irritation are nothing years later : LIFE !
Ah, the good old 70's & 80's when composers were perfectionists & expected everyone else to be too. Then really laid into them when they couldn't perform as expected. I remember those days
“Maestro I don’t have numbers.” Lol. We never have numbers.
What does it mean that expression?
@@willin1 he is referring to measure numbers, where they are in the piece. The written music doesn't number every measure, but most musicians add at least a few markers for rehearsing.
@@xxTrumpetBoyxx all the musicians have numbered measures(although they may differ slightly between editions), but the piano vocal scores in most cases (perhaps all) lack the large numbers that the orchestra members and conductor have.
@@jordanbisch1 I see. I am a member of the orchestra as you may have guessed
But WHY doesn't he have numbers? How can you record an entire musical and not give the soloist a score with numbers? It's such a simple thing.
Can we take a moment to appreciate this is actually one of the best operatic tenors in the world? Why on Earth is he even singing something that is not opera??
My feelings exactly. Bravo Senor Carreras.
To sell albums.
And why did anyone think that having heavy operatic voices sing this score, over a beefed-up symphonic orchestra, was a good idea? It just doesn't work.
@@johndipinto4084 So right. When I was rehearsing 'Tony' with full voice, my wife said, "Remember, you're supposed to be 16 years old...."
@@Michman2024 ABSOLUTELY.
Oh my god, I mean. It’s a professional setting. And as a composer, you know exactly what you want, and you imagine every note in your mind. So the singer just has to deliver, no one can read peoples mind, so it’s just a journey. But it turned out beautiful
This is young pre cancer Carreras. What a gorgeous lyric tenor voice he had.
I have worked with singers on these kinds of rhythms myself, in my own scores as well as others. They are not used to it and one must be patient, but when they finally get the rhythms worked into their bodies and combine them with those glorious voices it's well worth the effort.
Bernstein was a genius, a brilliant pianist, a great composer, a great humanist, and the greatest American conductor of his generation. As a singer however his own voice was dreadful. he could sing in tune, but with absolutely no singing quality to the voice. He understood nothing of what it is to take a singer's breath, nor anything from a technical standpoint about vocal production. That's not his fault, but putting a great singer into a panic is not how one achieves the best effect.
There is another video floating around wherein the great mezzo Christa Ludwig is singing a spot in a Mahler work and Bernstein is burying her with the orchestra. Ludwig had a very large voice, so the fault there was his, not hers. He replied by saying "well no one is ever heard there anyway".
Sorry but it's the conductor's job to make sure the singer is heard.
So while I have the utmost respect for Bernstein in general he is not perfect, because no one is. If Carreras did not have the rhythms already worked out in piano rehearsals he should not have been thrown into this situation by the maestro.
This dude seemingly being not as experienced or comfortable with jazz and him having a different native tongue.... That's like a cellist being given viola music to play in a marching band. Rough.
Carrera's accent is really heavy and dragging.
@@gilbertdaroy6080 but it's perfect for the part.
@@hummingbird2536 Not really, no. He's playing Tony, who's a Jet (white - Polish or Irish, I think), not a Shark (Puerto Rican).
@@johndipinto4084 Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I stand corrected!
Is this jazz?
Thats fucking Carreras not some ordinary Tenor duuude :-D
The name is in the description. It wouldn't be good to have "José Carreras Keeps Screwing Up" permanently in the title.
+BloodValeOfficial
Carreras may be a great tenor singing his own musical genre, but he was _worse_ than fucking ordinary as he struggled to interpret the style in this video.....
_Duuuude_ !
Faustus (or Fuckus, Fucked, or whatever), you appear to have a personal matter with Carreras. "He may be a great tenor" ... Berstein wanted opera singers for this Project, looked for the best ones and payed the best ones of that moment. And he should have known the risks of working with opera singers singing certain parts. Anyway the final product was good, a different sound and approach of the work. By the way, why do you say this fucking part is jazz? you may have a torpedo in your ears as in your fucking mind that pretend to know something of music. "Ears expert" ... You are one of those ignorant and usefull stupids that can't sing, compose, or play and give opinión on those who can do it. Good bye Fucked Fuckus Faustus. Put your expert ears in your ass and will hear the "jazz" you want. Expert ...
*-Gustavo Greville-* *Gustavo Cuntville*
There, fixed it for you 😎
Why does every single CZcams comment have to descend into name calling and swearing?
C'mon guys, we're all better than this.
Carreras was and is one of the greatest singers this world has ever known. He wasn't the best choice for this music. Renata Tebaldi would have been a bad fit for Santa Baby, and Eartha Kitt would have been a bad fit for Madam Butterfly.Because he's a great singer, and because he was working with Bernstein - a great composer and a great conductor - the problems are ironed out (that's what rehearsals are for) and the final recording is wonderful - but I doubt that anybody, not even Carerras himself, would cite this recording as the one which best showcases his talents. Don't forget, often artists are more critical of their own work than any critic...
3:08 Bernstein's cig appears to have magically grown with his mounting INDIGNATION. Clever editing..., yet apt.
A masterpiece in the making ✨✨✨ All wonderful, each artist in their role, seeking perfection ✨✨✨ José Carreras young and beautiful, what a voice ✨✨✨ Noone can surpass his interpretation✨✨✨
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Casting a singer with a Spanish accent to sing the role of the major non-Hispanic character was a major and obvious mistake.
@@1106gary Nowadays these castings are not done. But they were common in cinema and opera at that time. Luckily 1. José Carreras' accent blends with all the immigrants' accents of that time in New York City 2. His voice and interpretation are so wonderful that they remain stellar and unforgettable, for all times 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
You imagine having to work with Bernstein, it's amazing the guy can sing at all!
When you are NOT brought up on Musical Theatre and come from another country without the nuances of the American languages. it is very difficult to sing. He should have had more coaching on this piece. I wonder why Jerry Hadley was not asked to do this recording ?
Not complex; the instrument that Carreras was far finer than Jerry's, he was also a far bigger star during this period. . This is a very different role than Candide. As to coaching, well, that was Carreras own responsibility, by the time the sessions begin, you have to know it cold.
And if you keep missing the conductor and instead looking at the score it is most likely that you will miss the beat. He should have learned the part before going to rehearsal.
... what I was thinking as well. How could he come into this session so ill prepared? Wishful thinking? I suppose when you're as amazingly accomplished in operatic performance as Carreras was, you can become blind to areas where you haven't yet become amazing.
There is no such thing as American languages...It's called English.
Well, it used to be English, until Americans destroyed it completely.
Bernstein even if he's pissed off protects the integrity of his singer when he's on his wing.
Bernstein is tough but he knows his artists and he pushes them to their limits. He makes their people become better at what they do.
Bernstein is tough but he's righteous doing his work.
This was tough to watch. I’m a lyric mezzo and I know when I’ve prepared Bernstein or even Sondheim going back over a section that’s super difficult on many levels can make you feel so defeated! Jose Carreras took this like a pro, and I applaud him for it!
One feels for him. Sometimes you just don’t “ hear it “ and then nerves kick in and confidence wavers and it gets harder and harder. These days the orchestra would be recorded and the vocalist would be overdubbed
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Pepe PEPE?
@@meyou5465 José =Pepe
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Bob=Robert
Pepe=José
This is awesome!!! How music is done. Believe when I say, all ego's are in check. Love it!
These are humans being real, true, authentic, superior, outstanding and striving for perfection!!! Respect!!!
Hard to perform with the negative input. Eventually you forget how to perform no matter how talented you are.
This is painful to watch but I can't stop
It was probably extremely stressful however because they went through all of this, we were able to hear a masterpiece. Practice no matter how frustrating it is, is absolutely necessary for everyone to work together to create something wonderful, and Bernstein knew that.
The entire cast listed some of the greatest operatic singers of the day. Kiri Te Kanawa, Tatiana Troyanos, Jose Carreras. They don't get bigger than that. A commercial decision to create sales.
I've listened to this recording. I didn't like it at all. Give me the original cast anytime. This was more about the singers than the music.
Poor guy!
This recording was a disaster from start to finish with ridiculous mis-casting.
Amen! Bernstein made several miscalculations towards the end of his life.
I’m no conductor, but I felt myself too getting frustrated when Carreras was speeding. But it’s incredible to see the work build into a wonderful collaboration.
Do you think maybe the syncopation was one of the factors making him speed up?
I am a conductor and I can say that when Bernstein says "watch me" it isn't all that helpful. Bernstein was more of an "inspirational conductor" than a guy with a great stick technique. The beat is not all that clear, which is why Carreras looked up and didn't get any further wiht the syncopations. That one is on Lenny.
Give Bernstein the NY Phil and he could work miracles. They didn't need a clear stick. They needed emotional direction. Carreras needed a clear stick here and he didn't get it.
I think sometimes it's easy to forget how much harder it can be to sing in a language that isn't your first language. Plus, that, "Something's coming, I don't know what it is.." passage is rhythmically tricky on top of it. My heart was breaking for Carreras just a little bit.
Yes, I absolutely agree with you
"I don't have numbers, maestro" 😄
GET PREPARED! He has his nose in the score, is not watching the conductor, etc. He was underprepared, even setting aside his poor elocution.
@@ludgatecircus15 ...are you serious right now? The others had like 6 months to prepare, Carreras had apparently a couple of weeks - and he just had travelled from Verona, where he’d been performing in Carmen. So, Bernstein could have been at least a bit more reasonable. Good God.
I'll sing it for you 😅
@@ludgatecircus15 Not his bloody job, whoever set the music should have done that
God, the courage you need to have to try and retry with such a disdainful taskmaster. Given the circumstances, I think Lenny could’ve been a bit kinder, a bit more gracious. Bravo, Carreras!
Good grief, these are the greatest musicians in the world. Iron sharpens iron. This isn't a neighborhood volunteer ensemble
Womanbrain.
Carreras is really good, but Bernstein was very demanding and Josep knew he would be. Bernstein also had to worry about a lot more than just Carreras, so I can understand him not wanting to lower the bar
Unfortunately, Bernstein wasn't known for his kindness or patience.
@@melmatthews5876 That's right. The circumstances were unfortunate, too. Rushing to get ready "at the last minute", so to speak. I'm sure Carreras knew about Bernstein's personality, but he accepted - after all, if you're an available tenor and Bernstein calls on you in a situation like this one, I suppose it would have been a bit hard to turn him down, even knowing what he's like, and even if you're Josep Carreras.
“If you can’t handle stress , you can not handle success”
Thanks for posting this video.
“I don’t have numbers, maestro, sorry.” He’s so upset but so polite.
Jose learned it in one week if anything Bernstein needed to calm down
Christ, that is the problem. He did NOT learn it. He was underprepared in a number of respects. If he was a new Juilliard graduate he would be booted off this in a minute.
In 1976 the Indianapolis Youth Symphony, in which I played 1st clarinet, played a couple of pieces for Butler University's festival of Bernstein's music. The maestro attended the opening concert, in which we played. The conductor fouled up in "The Age of Anxiety" by beating a measure of three that was in a long, uninterrupted section in two, throwing everyone off. He tried unsuccessfully to recover, but fortunately the piano soloist managed to get back in, and we got it together.
Afterward there was a reception, and the great man spoke. He congratulated a few people and then said, as I recall, that we youth orchestra kids were amazing because we go to school and do our homework all day, so it's no wonder we're tired.
What a jerk. We had violists who were eleven.
I think that was the moment I decided not to try to play professionally.
That's a bit sensitive. He obviously assumed that it was the players who messed up (a reasonable assumption, even if incorrect) and ascribed it to their being tired rather than to a lack of talent or ability. Someone in the know should have piped up and said that it was a conducting error--Bernstein might well have appreciated it!
Your decision was probably for the best of humanity.
@@dpodsful You approach humanity as did Maestro Bernstein, I see.
For mortals it’s nice to see we all have to work hard. Thanks for posting.
oh man, the pressure is INSANE! cred for the tenor for keeping it together.
I liked Bernstein in the early years (watching videos of his Young People's Concerts). He was gracious, charismatic and pleasant to watch. As he got older he increasingly gave in to his vices (chain smoking being just one of them) and this turned him into a bit of an old crank. What can one say to a legend when you don't agree with him? Whoever brought in Carreras did him no favor by placing him in this very difficult assignment.
Who are you to judge the man? You know what his life was like at the time do you?
@@macmuggo5459 That was not a judgement. It was an even-handed account of the descending arc of a music legend. You could have read exactly the same observations from many in the world of classical music who were around him. Better yet, try reading the book written by his daughter, Jamie. It's called "Famous Father Girl." She loved her wonderful father but saw him deteriorate at the end. There's a photo of pregnant Jamie comparing her huge belly with her father's. His was bigger. At that point in his life he stopped caring much about his health and general upkeep.
Was not Bernstein.
people may get crankier as they get older
@@rr7firefly I read two biographies of Bernstein. They described what he did in his life but not what he was really like. Then I read "Famous Father Girl." If you want to know what a celebrity is really like, read their kid's memoir.
"You went to G major instead of F major"
Weird flex but ok.
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AirDragon I don’t understand how’s that a flex that’s just bad
Sayan M I know it’s perfect pitch but it’s not a good thing to have in this case
Sayan M bruh chill you don’t get my point don’t be so triggered over everything
Sayan M my point was that Bernstein unfortunately had perfect pitch but NEVER MIND
You can literally see Jose Carreras growing as a singer and musicians through this experience. Interesting how they didn't multitrack this (I'm sure Bernstein would have never allowed it), something that would have likely been done today to allow the singer multiple takes without the orchestra.
No one should have to go through the humiliation Bernstein subjected Carreras went through on this horrifying clip. This is not professionalism: this is bullish, obnoxious behavior.
@@Gail-bz5khthis happens all time. Conductors can be very difficult
Well, his timing might be off and he does not have any kind of American accent, but his voice is so gorgeous that none of that matters.
I don't understand why they cast Jose Carreras, a Spaniard with a thick accent, to take the role of an American from the Bronx.
Remember, that the Bronx would have been made up of different migrants during the time period. I think Bernstein may have been trying to capture this somewhat within this performance.
This was not so much a “cast recording” of West Side Story in the regular sense, they didn’t stage the show with dialogue/costumes etc. it was a Studio Album to record the score that Bernstein wanted to conduct himself, Jose did a couple of these studio albums as well for shows like South Pacific. I think in the whole documentary of this recording, Bernstein actually said he wanted “operatic” or classically trained singers for this as they normally wouldn’t do those parts in the show.
@@lancewilkinson4192 But just Toni didn't have a spanish background.
So I'm wondering too!
Who ever decided to have opera singers do this was nuts. There are plenty of fantastic musical theatre vocalists who could have done this perfectly. The person who decided to have opera stars do this just wanted bragging rights for the promo of it. Completely impractical to have these singers sing musical theatre.
@@kchrules775 Shows that even the maestro himself can make errors in judgement. Bad move having these opera greats do this. Might as well have had them sing country-western.
About Bernstein: I happened to be in Vienna Austria in 1978 when I was traveling as a student and saw him conduct the Vienna Philharmonic at the Musikverein in a program of Beethoven Sym. 5 and Schubert Sym 5. Just before the music started the crew was rolling a big TV camera into position on the stage and the thick cable for it was making noise on the floor. Bernstein got upset with that and made furious swinging motions up and down with his arms to get him to stop. His impatient behavior must have looked rude to the crowd, but that's the way the man was. The performance was pretty good too. Lean, solid sound with a moderate tempo. Very straightforward.
It is amazing that Bernstein didn't need the technician or the recording to know immediately when Carreras makes a mistake. Bernstein is in total control and very theatrical about the state of affairs obviously having to deal with a tragedy here. Poor Carreras why did he choose to sing this part ? Did they in the end cobble together enough recorded bits to pass muster. Glad we have it on tape both funny and an insight into the maestros stile. There is another one when he conducts the Berlin Philharmonics in a piece by Mahler and Relentlessly scolds the orchestra in his limited German until he gets the best possible performance from them. We miss him dearly.
I am so glad to see that anxiety speeding happens to other musicians, I feel better now.
"screwing it up"
The rhetoric here suggests that what we do and what he had to perform was some menial task. Recording vocals with a full orchestra is extremely taxing and something only the most skilled performers are capable of. Even so, fatigue can set in and mistake WILL be made.
Joshua Westerman I wrote the title, and I'm not suggesting that at all.
the irony here imo is there are literally thousands of lesser-known tenors that know this piece inside and out and would a have nailed this performance or at the very least performed the rhythm accurately but they apparently wanted a name
The first mistake was having opera singers perform in this.
So the guy who wrote the work brought in the opera singer.....
@@yummyyum36719 I know. He made the same mistake with his revision of Candide. He made it an opera.
The first mistake was letting musicals ever be written
@@elliotdavies3555 Word
Is a very difficult song to sing, strange changing speed, Carreras can sing very well melodic music but this musical is not easy. The song Maria has more melody. I can imagine there he was not in trouble.
Que necesidad de sufrir tanto, habiendo tanta música maravillosa sin tanta complicación rítmica y con mucho más bellas líneas melódicas.
He seems to be a gentle soul. Realizing the responsibility for his performance.
During the 1970s, Jose Carreras had a tremendous voice; he was a great lyric tenor.
This is Jose Carreras. This whole recording was filmed. I have the video. It’s unforgettable. Ah, the true masters
Very insensitive capture on title of this “tenor keeps screwing up” … we don’t even know the circumstances of this recording. Jose Carreras a LEGENDARY tenor, who along with Domingo and Pavarotti, dominated the opera world on stage and movie productions and sung the most complicated scores of opera. Bernstein, chose him to do a more operatic version of his crossover masterpiece musical “West Side Story” along with Kiri Te Kanawa. Carreras was not known for singing in English. He was Lenny s choice. I find the title of this video segment offensive to the world of music and musicians. Thank you for posting it though. You can still attract visitors and viewers by generating something positive and not on the expense of great Artists. This is coming from a good place, do not attack me ❤
No not screwing up! These are major league musicians! The Jose Carreras is just as brilliant as the late Leonard Bernstein.