Hello by Adele in Middle English (Medieval cover) Bardcore
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Middle English makes a lot more sense when it comes to the connection between writing and pronunciation.
Yes and no, around this time english and even anglo before it didn't have a standard way of spelling words, that is to say that each person or region had a completely different way of spelling words phoneticaly based on how they heard or pronounced it.
some letters became silent in words. Knife once sounded like Ka-nith.
@Local83 Problem with that is that English isn't pronounced one way. It's way too big a language for that. Short of making a new writing system that acknowledge all vowel mergers and splits in every dialect and somehow writes intrusive and missing letters in some dialects different from others it's straight up impossible. Like you'd have to have a symbol for all the ways to pronounce r and two separate versions as well for when it isn't pronounced after vowels. You'd need a symbol for t that's realized as a tap in American dialects that would have no difference from the basic t. And don't even get started on talking about the English of the Caribbean with reduced 5 vowels from Englishes RP's 13 how do you represent that. Or worse yet West African or Hong Kong English that's tonal how do you deal with that. Let's not even get started on the unique dialects from contact situations AAVE for example or the madness that is northern English moving into Scots. And if you consider that many English creoles consider themselves valid English in a mesolect form then really you've just got a headache to deal with and you'd be much better just using glyphs instead
@@micayahritchie7158 You just expand the alphabet a bit. 42-100 letters in total could be enough if you didn´t add nonsense like "adding unspoken letter" or changing the letter a bit cause it sounds a bit different at the end of some words (like V in germen where it was written as s at the end of words). Anything more is no longer supported by human vocal cords. (You´ve literally ran out of sounds to make if you used the letter system)
That is because the Great Vowel Shift wasn't in full-force yet.😭
As a Dutch speaker, I think Middle English sounds a lot like if you just pronounced English with Dutch phonetics, which makes this sound a lot more comical to me than what was probably intended
To me it sounds like a mix of german and someone reading english words in spanish.
@@ashamansedai Of course, as a native Portuguese speaker, Middle English sounds like the way we pronounce English before learning how completely unrelated English spelling and pronunciation are
Same in Italian
Probably because our and the english language have been related since the first saxons came ashore of the Isle.
Dutch's so fuckin old that it sounds like 600 years ago
As an Italian speaker, I now wish so bad Middle English was still used. At least pronunciation used to make sense.
Yes. The pronunciation used to be much more straight forward
Namore 😂
I wish this was the version of English spoken today. It's so beautiful.
I wouldn’t say it’s beautiful, but at least they pronounce things how they’re spelled, unlike Modern English
Even if this was modern English it would just be normal to me and you so I wouldn't call it beautiful.
"what if english was phonetically consistent"
Old and middle english: what do you mean "if"?
Well, like all written languages on earth, they were far from perfectly consistent, but at least there was rules for which there to be exceptions 😅
Old English sounds very Germanic, while Middle English sounds very Latin, and both Germanic and Latin languages play very large roles in the modern English language, so we can see at which points in history each language made it's contribution.
Actually French had no outcome on the outspeech of English, also not to bring up that French has a Germanic outspeech too though it is Latin.
I mean yeah english Is a germanic but maybe half latin?
@@dethararjusinnessjukt5408 English has more Latin words than Germanic however it's considered a West Germanic language because of the positioning of the verbs, adjectives and all the other categories that I can never understand. However historians have recently suggested that it might be a North Germanic language, closer related to Swedish and Norwegian than German.
@@silvergunn9354 There are no serious linguists that suggest English is a North Germanic language. It is very clearly descended from the ancestors of the low german dialects. There is a LOT of Old Norse influence on English but that in no way makes a North Germanic language any more than the Norman and Old French influence makes it a Romance language. To be fair, English does seem more superficially similar to Norwegian than it does to German, but that's not because it's more closely related to Norwegian. German just evolved in a different direction than did English. And German is not the only West Germanic language. Frisian is far more similar to English and the area where Frisian is spoken today is not coincidentally the region where many of the original germanic colonizers of the British isles came from.
It's germanic Saxon
This shows how things like the vowel shift really fucked over our once phonetic spelling…
oh wow, suddenly the spelling of words makes SO MUCH SENSE. what happened afterwards????
The pronunciation changed but we still spell like we did in Middle English times. Its a disaster :D
The Great Vowel Shift happened!
Middle English basically is Modern English but with German pronunciation :P
The great vowel shift fucked us over didn't it?
@@Nick-us8qh The great vowel disaster.
Could you imagine time traveling & trying to have a conversation with someone speaking Middle English?
I want a T-shirt that says "paineth thee namoore."
It’s such a beautiful song and you can still get the gist even if you can’t pick up every word. Well done
I have graduated from Modern English with the highest grade in my class(no joke), now I’m learning how we all used to speak.
Even if the spoken language is quite different to modern English (thank you great vowel shift /s) the written word is similar enough that you can at least get a general gist of it
Me being a swede I can understand some and because It sounded very germanic back then kind of.
Never stop making these!
This is so good!!! Love it
Awesome. Just adds so much dimension and life to an already beautiful song.
Awesome work! i remember lessons in Middle English and it's great to hear it sang!
Bardcore mastery and so nice to hear some old medieval english. Congrats ! :)
Incredible work
Good shit man!
This is beautiful thank you for sharing
why are these sooooo good like wtf XD i love these
Amazing!
Fantastic 👍
Sounds like Middle English you just read and pronounce all the letters in spelling, like you would in the transliterated phonetic vocabulary of languages say in the Pacific. Eg examples here like "syde" "sai-dee" and "seye" "sei-ee". Unlike today where there are so much silent letters ('syde' to 'side' ie "sai-d" . It's like if old spelling were generally kept similar, but the pronunciation and enunciation of syllables changed ie silent letters etc. It's like as if the olden folks really spelled the way it was meant to be pronounced.
Before English was standardised people just wrote how things sounded
The main reason why English sounds so drastically different today is because it underwent the Great Vowel Shift, when the pronunciation of long vowels changed to become more like how they are pronounced today.
i do enjoy all your work and i really hope u start doing sth with shakespear's playwrights someday too!
As someone who speaks German as a second language i was able to perfectly understand and pronounce the words
very cool
Kind of reminds me of Scots
Beautiful, fascinating, very well done! And - random question here.... there're no dots above the lower case letters i - was that an historical actual thing, or a stylistic choice for the video? Many thanks for sharing!
Lift up your voice , minstrel ! It is sweet , as a throstle must tune its throat . Much thanks .
haha, this is great!
Well met!!!
Middle English closer to German or dutch than modern English
@@ASS_ault Гребаные русские
Literally not true. English had already lost gender and most cases by then. And it had already adopted tons of french vocabulary.
The main difference bt ME and modern Eng is literally some relativly minor vocab and some easy to understand sound changes. Old English was more like the other germanic languages than Modern English tho.
Why do I learn eald englisc, this is quite easier (ic ne wāt hweat)
Mom opened the door
Switched quick to porn
Easier to explain
lol seriously tho this is awesome dude looking forward to more songs :D
Pretty weird that english didn't have aspirated consonants back then. Sounds more like old french than a germanic language.
Aspiration appeared first in southern West Germanic and spread northward. It was the phonological reason for the High German Consonant Shift. Meantime the stops of all Germanic languages and dialects got aspirated - with the exception of Dutch and Low Rhenish. Thus there is the latent trend of shifting to fricatives respectively affricates, especially t > ts (z in German spelling) and k > ch.
Spotify it!!!
It has Germanic Anglo-Saxon influence
Well, yeah it is from old English it being Middle English.
I was shocked to see they didn't have words for orders of triple magnitude above a thousand. I mean, I do suppose that they didn't need vastly small orders of magnitude as I don't think they knew jack about cells and molecules and the like, or large orders of magnitude for modern cosmology or the long geologic history in the timeline of nature. But still.
Middle English is very similar to Norwegian.
Do you take requests?
"Someone Like You" is my favorite Adele.
Naise mooveng pictoore, fiend.
Is this Early middle English? I see a difference between this Middle English and the one from pumped up kicks
Sounds similar to the way the Flemish speak, now.
The French influence is huge. A French native speaker with NO knowledge of more modern English prononciation would pronounce it that way. Even some words are right out French spelled, like "lettres".
It sounds like my worst English lesson classmates reading a text without having a clue about the pronunciation. I discover after all these years that they were actually reading in 1200s English 🤣🤣🤣 (native Romanian speaker)
the only thing that is maybe bad about this is that the thumbnail is of
"the Sutton Hoo helmet".
The biggest question is: Why English swallowed the "e" at the end of word, at the first place?
English is a stressed language. An example of that is the word "photography". It sounds more like "fuh-tog-ruh-fee". It is not "foe-toe-grah-fee". The "tog" part is stressed so it gets the full sound. Unstressed syllables get reduced to "uh" like the "fuh" in photography. The -e in a lot of English words used to be pronounced like the "e" in "egg" and then it became "uh" over time because it was unstressed. Unstressed sounds tend to get "weaker" (i.e. e -> "uh") and eventually disappear all together. It's a natural process in languages
@@stevevagabond we can see this process midway through in modern german and french.
I just realized: why the hell do we pronounce "have" as "hav" and not "hayv"? "Hah-veh" makes a lot more sense
What the heck i can understand it but it sounds weird
This sounds like English pronounced like Italian
You’re probably noticing the vowel sounds. English underwent something called the Great Vowel Shift starting around 1400 where our vowel system shifted enormously. Before that, we pronounced vowels in a similar way to the vast majority of other European languages, including German, French, Italian, etc. Things like pronouncing I as an “ee” sound for example, just as Italian does today.
I prefer medieval than modern
Who want to bring them back?
medieval is kind of a generalisation, this is in middle English which was spoken in the late medieval period.
Why does it sound.. scottish ?
@@ASS_ault Exactly my thought ;)
you know how some languages like portuguese are especially suited for singing? middle english is the polar opposite of that
Am I the only one who hear lots of Old Norse here?
My english teacher singing along
Everyone else: ;-;
I thought 'thou' was pronounced as 'Dao' and 'Thy' like 'Die'?
in modern english yes (and i realise we don't say it much anymore but it was common in early modern english)
Same as how in modern english we'd say pronounce out as like "aot" whereas in middle english you'd say "oot" like a scottish person would.
Sounds like Spanish!!
0:37 no i dont
Sounds nordic
"As an X speaker, now the spelling makes sense"
- quite a few of the comments of this video.
Well, as an English speaker this makes absolutely no sense spelling wise. Unless I drive like... 10 minutes up the road into the countryside....
*hmmm, funny that*
German
Not at all... more like Dutch.
@@linajurgensen4698 yeah after hearing german more closely i take it back . but it sound like scandalvanian like swedish norweian may be . dutch has more difficult pronounciation