It's time for Sodapoppin to learn what WC3 micro is - after this ladder game - w/ Grubby
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- It's time for Sodapoppin to learn what WC3 micro is - after this ladder game - w/ Grubby (Game played on 15-August-2024)
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i really like this "series" of you coaching soda. im looking forward to his match with tyler 1 and i presume you casting.
Sorry i don't really follow tyler1 but loved his recent shenanigans in wc3, Is that match what this series is for?
@@zaiil it is. T1 had a FFA showmatch in WC3 that was commentated by Grubby and Soda. At the end he challenged Soda for a match for all the trash talking he had done while the showmatch :D
@@pilotpetrov3855 I see, thank you. Gonna keep looking out for when that happens, Sounds like it's going to be hilarious.
Let's hope that still happens Tyler is not gonna play wc3 this week
Is Tyler getting coached by someone as well?
Im loving this new arc, amazing content
Can't wait for Soda vs Tyler
Grubby vs ToD
which has learned more from these coaches
I'm checking Soda's channel day by day and it's still no wc3 except cutom games. =( He's practicing hiddenly or the winer is defined before the firrst game started. Even in chess where you don't need mechanic skill all coaches says that the first thing you need to learn how to play is to play, theory is useless without every day practice.
26:30 So the decision to go to pee is macro. peeing is micro. got it.
Instructions unclear: there's mac and cheese on my crotch
Going to pee: macro.
Aiming: micro.
Macro: Knowing where most countries is located
Micro: Rainbolt 💀
@@-lorentzen5925 No.
@@m1lkbags Yes.
God this is so relatable. I had to coach a new player on a turn based game and I could practically feel him being overwhelmed by stuff happening too fast. In RTS it's even more insane. Props to Grubby for being a great coach but also being the best student from what I could see on his DotA2 streams/vids!
Especially in an older game.
I just came back to sc2 after years. I peaked at high diamond. Anyone new basically runs into players who've played a decade+
Even if they're gold thats a gold player who's played a long time so good luck. Similar to league of Legends imo. Impossible for new players to have a positive experience
@@sprintstothebathroomdaily2429 Yeah just look at what happened even in Classic WoW. There are players who have been playing on vanilla private servers for decades. As soon as Classic launched, Molten Core was cleared in the first week or so. Personally my worst experience was with Valorant. I play PUBG, CS:GO I am not too bad, get some good shots and games. Valorant was insane. Either I was getting the top tier players, my net was slower or they were all cheaters. As soon as I peak im dead, no matter what. Insta kill headshot in less than a second. No reaction time. Then I had a game which was what you would expect. Decent back and forth, not too crazy. But that took 20 games of hell. Not recommended. WTF. CS GO aimhackers I can kill easier than this.
26:00 "You're going somewhere productive" as Soda stands up to leave. :D
"I was macro in a real life"... lol
Grubby: speed is more important than what units you build
Grubby: speed is more important than correct placement
Grubby: *is clearly Sonic the Hedgehog*
GOTTA GO FAST!
Im liking this grubby interacting with complete wc III beginners arc
I would push it as "complete RTS begginer". But yes, it's interesting to watch. I'm impressed at Grubby's patience. I know we've all started as noobs, but that's like teaching a toddler how to play piano.
I am learning further on these kinds of applied tutorials in match rather than "Ok do this and do that" specially in Wc3.
24:27 Someone said that if you cannot explain a concept easily then youre not understanding it yourself. And damn you explained it so well and simple, hats off, sir
I think it was said be Einstein "If you can't explain it to a six year old, then you don't understand it yourself.
Man, this is insane. im actually so impressed with everything grubby said in this video (i know grubby is world champ but still, he good at talking and explaining something). you are very dedicated to this game. and im glad that sodapoppin are actually want to listen and play with everything grubby said. i know it hard to find someone that want to do learn something you good at.
I really hope this becomes a regular thing. I hope you ask Tyler1 if he'd like wc3 coaching too, this is such a fun series
The surround coaching was really good. I kept saying to myself that you missed something (use move command to surround, use more units to make it easier, etc.) then you immediately brought it up. The only thing that was lacking really was explaining how to force surrounds combined with CC (storm bolt, sleep, nova/slows to a lesser degree, etc.). If you're going to do this coaching again I'd ask them to train Dreadlord for this specifically.
Also it's a good idea to bind lich + ranged units to it's own control group so you can just click the group to focus fire / attack move without interfering with things like aboms. Way faster/easier than box selecting. Although you still need box selecting for things like making openings for pullbacks of course.
i just bought this game your videos are awesome for learning thank you!
Me too if you wanna play :)
I think I'd explain surrounds like this:
Units move as if they're on a square grid and cannot move diagonally. If you block a unit on the top, bottom, left, and right, then it cannot escape because all of its sides are blocked.
Yeah Grubby was a bit too technical with shapes. Like if you want to block a unit just stop it from moving left or right or up or down. Make a cross shape :D
You can really tell why some people get good . Sofa has no ego no excuses , just listens to the person better than him and does his best to absorb as much as he can
The square explanation actually made so many things regarding surrounds make sense
Same! I never knew wc3 units have trouble moving diagonally.
Must also be the reason why everything is shaped as a square in the minimap
Wow that first game felt so stressful..
I'm happy Soda is giving the game a more serious try. Thanks Grubby :)
This is great! Even though I watched many, many Grubby videos and usually could follow what was happening, this reveals a lot of details I didn't know. For example the box shape of units. I never even thought about what shape they could have. And seeing a professional gamer struggle to learn things Grubby just does without even thinking about them is a good display of how demanding high level WC3 play is.
Grubby, as someone who recently started playing W3 online, this series is extremely useful for learning the game. I think you couching someone who is starting to learn is a better way to make beginner guides due to you being solely focused on teaching. Love the content man, great work
25:55 He was afking irl while doing macro. What a pro gamer move xD
hell yeah dude soda training arc
as someone who hasn't played warcraft 3 since "recently" (2006) watching the coaching series is so interesting.
@32:00 easier to explain using tiles as in tile map and diagonals take a tile which isn’t there in close proximity because you would need two tiles to make a straight line similar to drawing a pixel on screeb
Two my most favourite streamers playing together. What to wish more! Thx grubby for this ❤️
Honestly grubby please keep updating this coaching because its really helpful.
As an approaching player im really thinking of getting into wc3 just because of these 2-3 last videos with soda, just going against the pc and practicing what you're saying and everything until i build up enough courage to either play myself or find someone to play with and try to ask them ahah
new merch idea :
"best in the village "-shirt
I loved the full description of surround mechanics!
Thanks Grubby. Played WC3 since 1.05 ROC for a couple of years and now getting back in the game after more than 2 decades. Finally learning more of the detailed mechanics. Please keep those videos going! Will bring some Players back to the game I think :)
This is a really wholesome arc. I love seeing big personalities fan boy over grubbz.
love the chat spamming about the guy getting banned
It's pretty clean and useful, but from my point if view for players of his (and mine) level would be great to start to learn wc3 from a makro, scouting and desicison making way. Pretty sure it will be enough to win most if games on our MMR and also would be a solid base for future improvements like micro.
How much for the control group tip? Because that right there is pure gold at 9:20
As soon as you got together to learn LoL I knew there is a content synergy brewing. Very glad you strenghten the bond with other communities!
Good on soda really trying this, just listening to what Grubby is instructing him to do is overwhelming
after watching T1's tournament i am 100% in on warcraft 3. This game is so fkin cool and there is so much to learn. Watching you teach Soda is so helpful, thanks Grubby
I got into Warcraft 3 Reforged because of the tournament Tyler1 hosted. So glad you casted it and I've been loving your videos. So far other than a couple of your newer ones, I've been enjoying the Undead To Rank 1 series. Love you Grubby!
Man, last time i played WC3 was like 20yrs ago, going against my cousin and getting my ass kicked, and somehow i still remember some of these keybinds, damn... Anyway, you're great to watch dude, idk if you're a coach for any games, but you're really good at that! You explain everything ao well, it seems so easy!
9:08 You can WHAT!? I've played this game for years and years and never knew this, what the heck.
Grubby 1 on 1 coaching is like going into the dbz hyperbolic time chamber
I like everything you do but this is the best kind of content you create. Please continue
Love watching you teach people to play from square one. Super interesting.
love the fun at the end! would be much cooler showing body block with the hero or fiend -- ghoul block is so hard
Is there another session with soda planned . I already watched all of it and i really enjoyed it. It actually got me to buy the game yesterday
I feel like this series help me to better understand the game and appreciate even more other grubby's video, and i really like this duo's vibe ! Thank for the great entertainment !
I love that Soda wants to learn the shortcuts for buildings and controls, not many do that.. back when I played nearly everyone knew them, and was super sweaty. Now my muscle memory of wc3 is polluted by WoW, LoL, and some other games controls, but I start to remember... unplugging my keyboard and pressing the keys while watching while starting to remember...
I think you could have shown bodyblockinh using bigger units, cause ghouls have such a tiny hitbox.
Very nice explanation, as always !
Please give us as much coaching as possible, this incredibly good content!
Im in love with this type of content. Keep it up . ( Maybe i love it so much , because i am dogshit noob trying to learn the game, and grubby is explaining everything in a language i can understand and implement in my games ) . Thanks so much!
havent watched you in a long time, havent watched soda ever but im familiar with him, and i havent watched warcraft pretty much ever outside of a 10min vid 10 years ago. But Tyler1s tournament got me as a consistent viewer.
its awesome when grubby is coaching someone of my level.
it feels i can learn a lot more stuff that normally would not be covered otherwise.
Love the training arc
this is super amazing series/idea since I started playing W3. Outside of custom games and story mode I never tried legit rts games so now I'm learining everything, once I beat insane AI like 10x times without problems next step: fool around in multiplayer
LOL! 20 years playing this game on and off, i never realised move command had a leashing distance, in the heat of battle and trying to surround stuff i always spammed the key so hard. XD
20:00 you could "!hold Skippy1337"
In wc3 units are like squares. The game checks whether the squares collide by checking if the squares overlap horizontally or vertically. A unit can only go NW if it can both go N and W. So if you have units at NES and W, you are done and a unit is surrounded. But if you have units at NE, SE etc, chances are you are not covering one of NES and W, as a unit can only cover one side of another unit and it's pretty much random which side a unit covers (N or E) if it's next to another unit diagonally (NE). Also a unit that is next to another diagonally only barely blocks one of the directions, so if there's slight gap then it doesn't contribute to the surround.
That's why you always want to make sure you cover all four of NES and W, with at least 4 units, and if you have 4 units they must therefore be in the shape of a diamond
Highlight of this video.
"I was peeing. I was macroing in real life" 😂
one good trick for soda would be to put the statue in a different control group and just let it follow the heros. it wont attack and if he has 2 they will auto cast heal and mana when needed. so he doesnt focus fire with them, cause they deal nearly no dmg. i usually do one caster control group and one melee/range controll group.
god damn this is so well explained. well done good job grubby !
Watching a player like Soda learn WC3 has been great, you seem a great coach! Are we going to get a reverse series where he teaches you arena/pvp in wow?
trying to get into this game, love this content. Ive only played aoe4/2 and halo wars 2. wc3 is very hard
Poor guy was so scared of AoW creeping, he took the Ghoul Shuffle instead
What's hardest? Ghoul shuffle, AOW creeping, militia creeping, or Heal Salve management?
@@FollowGrubby I would probably say heal salve management just because you can lose the thing if you get hit. Making it very easy to punish or drop if you're not a great player.
@@TheRealXartaX I did some maths and getting the full effect is obviously the goal to maximise efficiency, but if you only look at "is it better to salve or produce or unit", it only takes 13 second on healing on a grunt for it to be more gold efficient than creating another grunt, unless my math is wrong. So even if you lose the effect, as long as it's after 13 seconds (roughly 115 healing), it's worth it.
Love that warcraft 3 is getting all this love. One of the best games ever made.
If Soda had to pop a Dutch player into a 40 man raid, what class would he be?
Easy guess is rogue.
dang when he asked the difference between micro and macro :^( poor lad didnt really catch the visualizations in that explanation
shift 1 to add a unit to the ctrl group.
I've played this game since it was out and never knew that. I always shift clicked to add and re-grouped entire resulting selection.
please do not stop uploading this series this is awesome
You gotta coach Tyler1 then have him and Soda 1v1 each other after your coaching.
Awesome collaboration as I've been a fan of both.
"I was macroing IRL" 🤣
I absolutely LOVE this series.
Any commentary from you is great. Bronze league, professional games, and these 1 on 1 training sessions.
grubby we need more collabs like this, u know how to talk to people
Never knew about the move command closing the distance by half each time, fascinating
would love to see a series where you coach some of the bronze players you've casted before as well
Soda please make this a series on you end as well!
Great content grubby, I really enjoy this series and soda is a great student!
That was incredibly hard to watch lmao but I love this series, didn't know myself that using shift adds units to the control group :)
Bruh, Tyler is gonna get cooked in that 1v1.
ehhhh.... tyler was playing much better than soda was here even with grubby telling him what to do.
@@Tweakerbythespeaker yea can't underestimate t1. Dude is a legit game and is highly dedicated when he wants to be.
is that really going to happen? when?
sodas mental processing speed will be outclassed, provided tyler also puts in the same time
@@lol-ye5lg if grubby continues to coach soda more than he has a chance no? but I don't know if he's going to coach him more... he did 3 hours of coaching in one stream
I fucking love this series, keep going
soda completely forgot about his obsidian statues when he fought the expansion.
Statues chilling in the back
Wow, more that type of that content, that's very interesting!
Should have macro'd an entire army while explaining everything just for the real flex.
Grubby is the best person in the world! You should become a teacher! You are smart and have a good attitude and opinion towards things! ❤
I shouldn't care but Soda keeps calling it Lich King but it's just Lich 😭 I am liking your videos with him!! More of this pls
37:30 he should know its also easier to surround a hero than it is to surround a ghoul
LOL. WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE MOVE COMMAND TO FOLLOW
that's what i learned to use the Patrol command for. It has the same exact effect lmao
this will be awesome to see how well he does against tyler
that was a great try bro, do not feel bad, thats wath separe RTS players from MOBA players, everything is up to you so be nice to yourself.
I was happy to watch a grubby vid till I realized I had to listen to that baby sodapoppin
Grubby and every coach need to assume that new players have no game knowledge.. Saying just "get a nerubian" isn't a good way of saying "upgrade your ziggurat to a nerubian tower so you have some base defense against early aggression".
Same as "go to the shop", even I didn't know where the shop was on this map.
i don't enjoy your normal wc3 games.. but i love this arc :D
I’m loving these coaching videos
44:12 "Dude that was sweet ass" ... Nice
Its crazy how mad i get at myself for missing things throughout a game. Then i watch this and realize the bazillion things i do by second nature that doesnt feel like a part of macro/micro but is.
This is actually very useful and helpful. Thank you so much for uploading this. Out of curiosity, do you still coach in general?
I think you should have added Sodapoppin in the thumbnail, instead of the guy on the left side! Great content anyway, doing a good deed once again Grubby
Ummm... That's him... who did you think it was??
@@horsemumbler1 Adding /s right away
this is AMAZING.
I feel that guy as I suck at w3, but in this case Grubby explains everything sooo precisely, now I know why I suck (sometimes)
Watching this made me want to see Grubby teach Dota 2 to Soda
This is super cool. Coaching sounds like a fun idea.
bodyblocking, i learned it from Dota
Fantastic content arc
I wish i could play it myself again after all those years every time i watch your videos :^) love to see it