1989-1994 Porsche 911: Everything you need to know about the 964 generation | PCA Spotlight
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In this video, we take an in-depth look at the 964 generation of Porsche 911. Host Nathan Merz, owner of Columbia Valley Luxury Cars and PCA Appraisal and Evaluation Expert, details the 964 production run, including changes Porsche made to the cars year to year.
You'll also learn what the car came with upon delivery, from owner's manuals to toolkits and more. Finally, he puts a 964 on a lift to show us what to look for underneath a 964.
Here are the various chapters organized by subject and time stamp:
2:53 - Background of 964. Models, drivetrains, body styles.
12:47 - Changes over the years intro
13:35 - Visual cues of early 964s (1989-1991)
15:31 - Engineering of early 964s (1989-1991)
16:38 - Exterior (and other) changes of later 964s (1992-1994). New and special variants.
26:26 - Turbos 1991 3.3 liter and 1992 3.6 liter
29:05 - If you're in the market, here's what to look for in 964 paint, body work, trim, and accessories.
37:20 - Interior: What to look for across different years, models, and options
42:55 - Inside the engine compartment: engineering changes over the years.
45:22 - Looking inside the front Trunk. Option code sticker with VIN. VIN tags on panels. Accessories.
48:05 - What the 964 came with new. Glove box, manuals, front trunk, keys, tool kits.
50:49 - Porsche literature that helps you become more knowledgable.
54:33 - On-lift visual inspection. What to look for when inspecting a 964. Not a replacement for a pre-purchase inspection by a qualified technician. Engine. Brakes. Suspension. CV joints. Floor pan. Steering rack. Fenders.
1:06:56 - Conclusion
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Excellent .. Very informative , the 964 is bullet proof , my C4 has 335000 miles and counting used all year round ever day :)
Wow! You haven't had to rebuild engine or trans? What's your maintenance plan? Looking to purchase my first Porsche and want to develop a good maintenance plan!
If only they were affordable today
I’ve been driving Porsche’s since 1971, when I bought a 911T. I have owned a ‘90 C2, as the second owner, for more than 25 years. I learned more from this video than any other source. The car now has 107,000 and seems to run and perform as well now, as ever. As much as I have wanted a newer model, I appreciate cars that need a mechanic rather than an IT specialist, and have fewer distractions. Thank you for making a great video.
Thank you for the kind words. Happy to hear you enjoyed the video.
I purchased a brand new C4 Cab in 1991. Still in the family after 31 years. Runs great with 45,000 miles on it.
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Drive it!
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45,000 miles on it?
as a 992 owner... for some reason I REALLY want a 964 in my garage too... maybe it's because this is the model I grew up drooling over!
The 964 was a revolutionary evolution of the 911. While the exterior kept the familiar 911 shape, the under pinnings were dramatically different. Gone where the antiquated torsion bars replaced by coil overs. The addition of optional all wheel drive required a drive shaft tunnel. This replaced the long somewhat vague shifter, with a shorter more precise shifter. If you’ve owned a 993 you be surprised to note many of the parts are marked 964. 😊
Best of the best! As the owner of a 3.2 Carrera Targa and 964 Targa both of your videos on the 2 generations were top notch. I always learn so much from them.
This video is fantastic! Much thanks to Nathan and to PCA for making this video available. I feel like an expert on 964's now.
Nathan... every one of your videos is amazing. Thank you and thanks to PCA!!!
Excellent video, thank you. I would add that many (myself included) argue that, because the 964 was the last generation without multi-link suspension, the C4 is as desirable as the C2 in that generation, also given how capable and sophisticated its all wheel drive system is, as you highlighted. The fact that the C4 was the first version released may also relate to that argument.
As a general rule people tend to make the case that the preferred car is the one they own, but in the case of the 964 Carrera 4 I think some early Porsche thought leaders gave them a bad rap as they didn't want to embrace change. I love the purity of the Carrera 2 and I love the engineering accomplishment that is the Carrera 4, both great cars!
Why would it be better not to have multi link?
@@FrederikSpiegelhalder It is not better, on the opposite, that is the point. The benefits of the AWD compensate the shortcomings of the lack of multi-link.
Brilliant video, very interesting. I’ve owned my 964 for 20 years now here in Scotland, and thought I knew it inside out until I watched this. Thank you, I’m now a subscriber!
calm, pause, collected, smart and effective! thank you, outstanding presentation!!!!!!
I've driven both 964 and 993 and I'm really puzzled. I don't know which I like more. Regarding driving I actually prefer the 964 just a little bit. 993 performance is a bit better though. The looks... hmm... 964 looks nicer from the front but 993 looks superior from the rear (the fat one). If I had mega money I'd go for the 993 widebody. Either way, both are the absolute pinnacle of Porsche to me. Great video!
Awesome video. We are so grateful and fortunate to have you in Seattle.
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First Porsche I ever drove was a 964 Speedster when I was 17...very lucky to have had that experience (thanks to a generous neighbor!) So many 964s I wish I'd bought over the years...still want one but happy with my 356 and 991.
This is peak Porsche content on CZcams, thank you from Stuttgart!
Great video Nathan! I love learning the details about all of the cars. Thanks! 👍
Thanks for watching!
+1 .. Three cheers to Herr Nathan Merz !! .. An invaluable and entertaining 964 911 tutorial - vehicle walk-through... One of the very best if not the best. .. An original '98 (993) C2S owner... 98% original. .. Many thanks! . P.S. Has to be the 3rd or 4th time viewing!
Nathan, I love how you communicate. Very effective and easy to listen too. 48 minutes without a break. Really impressive. I'm looking forward to a 993 generation spotlight!
Having made some YT videos, I know how difficult that is to do without a script and without editing a lot of bloopers out. Nathan is smoooooooth because he knows his stuff!
Amazing detail in these videos. The quality of a Porsche 911, eapecially in these years, was something special.
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Excellent overview. I drive a 1990 C2 tiptronic and I really love the car. I think the tiptronic is fun to drive and very much underrated. The gear shifter looks cool too.
Thanks very much
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Great video! Looking forward to the 993 one
Amazing video as a 964 C2 owner of 11 years I learnt a few things. Thanks Nathan 👍
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Nathan is the real Guru on porsches and has offered me great advice 👏. I really appreciate this community, and when the time comes, I know I can trust buying from him!
There is no doubt about that. We really enjoy having him on our CZcams channel. Thank you for watching.
I just love these videos by Nathan. He’s my favorite Porsche Nerd. Is there a video like this about the 928?
As a 964 owner this video is excellent. Very good cars examples and tons of knowledge in it. Consider to write a book. Thanks
Tiptronics remain the hidden gem in 964s. They definitely take more study and skill to drive than a manual, but once you understand how to access the transmission maps - i.e, using the throttle properly - a whole new new dimension in driving opens up. One trick I learned years ago that really wakes up a 964 Tip is to add a Cup chip. According to Adrian Streather, the only difference in the Cup engines was the DME and exhaust. OEM Cup DMEs are basically unobtanian, but you can obtain copies of the Cup DME chips. You are welcome.
They are pretty underrated . The later PDK in the 997.2-onward is certainly faster, but the ZF box is robust and less complex. Great for driving around town.
This channel is where I come to learn about Porsches! Great video and amazing 964s… and the Amazon Green coupe is BLUE… 😉
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I was in college back in 90 and 91 and used to see 964s all the time back then. Probably because it was nyc. This generation was the first time I ever got into the 911 or Porsche for that matter. I also loved the 928 s4, which you also used to see all the time.
Great discussion. Looking forward to your insights on the 993. Thanks.
Outstanding as always!
Nicely done! My ‘93 C2 coupe is also slate grey. Tiptronic, which is actually a smart gearbox and great to drive. The cockpit of the 964 is spot on perfect - I considered a 991 but the 964 absolutely feels like a sports car, not a GT car. I had some of the delaminating on the fuel gauge, as Nathan mentions. North Hollywood Speedometer refinished it and it looks like new.
Sell me yours
Spectacular selection of 964’s! Great video 👍😎
We're glad you agree!
Another well produced, informative video. Thanks Nathan!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent work and really great explanations. Well done.
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Great video! Thank You very much for sharing so much informations.
Magnificent video. Extremely informative. Thank you tremendously
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Thank you for the nice review being given. I think the total weights of all the variants may be the hint to choose.
Very ,very informative as always. About the targa roof: I have a 3.2 targa since 2015. The targa roof was refurbished at that time because it was damaged. But they did'nt do it right, so I had a lot of wind noise. I managed to correct it by loosenings the screws of the clips in the front and pulinng the roof forward. But it came back recently probably by folding the roof as you mentioned. I fixed it again, no more wind noise now and I'm not gonna fold the roof anymore.
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Rarely talked about is the upgrade in shift quality. From the dark ages in almost all previous 911s, to almost the best ever!
The Targa is also my dream version 964. It's the sweet spot between the ragtop and the coupe.
I would like to hear about the difference between the Euro vs USA specs, particularly in the bumpers.
Just an EXCELLENT video. Thank you!
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Wow, I have few copies of the Porsche Exclusive brochures, I thought I was the only geek to get excited over them.
19 min mark, that turbo look on a base engine has to be the best looking 964 I have ever seen on screen, not in person.
I learned a lot, good job
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Thanks always informative .
Thanks for the video, Nathan, and I also empathize for your left thumb.
Funny enough it looks better than it has in six months, its finally healed up after I got my thumb stuck under a collapsed motor mount, the joys of old cars!
amazing review: there is no such thing as listening from a true passionate
Agreed. Glad you enjoyed it!
Love this video. I hope to see the similar on F, G and 993 series.
Excellent, thank you.
Love my Rs America. The car I will never sell no matter what. Growing up my dad had a 89 targa turbo. Wish he never sold that car. But the Rs is such a sweet spot for me
Awesomeness well done! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
great as usual
Thank you! Cheers!
Love it!
Excellent content! Since you spoke about options on the RS America. I was curious to see if you are aware of the options that were available on the America Roadster? Would a period correct Turbo rear spoiler have been available for order at the time?
Superb video! Nice comparative and good to include the RSA!
Where can I find the repair kit for the door glovebox mentioned in 38:24?
Great video. I really like the 964. What intrigued me most is the part about the America Roadster. Maybe because, whilst living in the Middle East for some time, I had the privilege of being in the passenger seat of a 1993 Carrera 2 Cabriolet WTL (Werks Turbo Look). That was not an American version of course. I don’t think they made many of them, but it’s not easy to find the numbers online.
I think they made 702 of them.
I had a 93 RS America and a 993 S. The 964 is more of what I like.
About the „design 92 wheels“. Some people would argue that the correct term is „Cup Design 16“ Wheel“. Design 92 seems to be the colloquial term. At least in Germany.
OUTSTANDING!
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One day I will own a 964 C4 or 964 Turbo. Truly my favorite car of all time.
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3.6 Turbo is my all time favourite car 😍
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Nathan, great info as always. I am going to say you’re wrong on the 92 Cabriolet being Rear seat delete, we’ve owned one! Factory US delivery
Brian- Were you the original owners? Just curious as the official factory press release states for MY1992 the convertible came with the rear seat delete but there are a few possibilities: an early build MY92 still got rear seats (entirely possible as Porsche phased changes in as parts became available vs. hard and fast to MY) or if you weren't the original owner someone swapped the rear seat delete for seats (nothing would preclude you from doing that design wise as every other market got the rear seats). Always a fun mystery!
@@ntm4122 I have 92 Cab - came with rear seat delete. The PO removed that and installed early rear seats (lower catch pin). I've still got the delete but it has seen better days.
The 964 turbo - Bay boy for life!
One of our favs!
Great video! Very informative. I own a 1994 manual C2 coupe. Do you know how many were made?
Could you do the same about 944 please? Interior wise especially, I have the best upholsterer in my country and would like to know about optional leather inside the 944 S2 to lift interior a bit.
My car is a 91 C2 is a dual airbag, double stitched full leahter interior. This interior (as far as I know) only came on Turbo cars.
Everything was spot on except for closing the frunk on my 991 I use the emblem so I don’t put hand marks on the paint and they might scratch the paint
damn that amazon green is spectacular under the lighting.
We agree!
Like my 964 c2 coupe I've had it now 20 years low mileage drives lovely best shape ever made hm
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I watch your show quite a lot and you ‘re the Porsche go to guy when it comes to which model is good to buy. I have never owned a Porsche and I am interested in a 996 GT 3 or just a normal one. Where I live which is in South East Asia and road traffic is mayhem so manual gear box might not be good for me. However of MT is the one to get I will consider. Now I need your honest opinion about the 996 gt3 or even the normal one is it really worth it? I searched on the net and some from Japan offer low mileage and in the range of $20-30k. What do you think? Thanks Nate🙏
The RS America did have a unique G50-05 trans with a 3:33 ratio, different from the common 3:44 ring and pinion…
Thanks for the info!
Actually the change to the 3:33 RP came for MY 1992 for all Carrera 2 US Variants including the RSA for MY93-94. As you indicated this is using the G50-05. One can find their transmission model number on the underhood option code sticker right above the Interior color code (about the middle of the sticker on the right), early cars will show G5003 and later will show G5005. Hope that helps clarify.
Missing my '91 C2 coupe right about now. I'll have another one someday, probably a targa.
We hope you do 🙌
I've got a burning question that I can't find one mention of anywhere. I've got a 1990 911 targa. My targa has 3 slots in the targa bar where as just about every other 964 targa I've seen does not have the slots and are smooth. I've got a few theories on this but would love some clarification.
If this isn't a good question I don't know what is. Thanks!
Strange how the worst period for Porsche financially (late 80's, mid 90's) gave us the most desirable 911 generations, the 964 and the 993.
Interesting...
Great video. Thank you!
So can you really just swap the old tach for the one with the digital display? But how can you then control the board computer? Or does it only display speed?
The tach is plug and play with the On Board Computer (OBC) but you do need to install the stalk to the column (also plug and play!) so you can scroll thru the menu, otherwise you just get the default display (I cant recall the default) an easy and great upgrade!
To get all the functions you also need to install a temperature sensor if I’m not mistaken.
Just got on at a estate sale for $7000 not running. Get them NOW at estate sales and some tow yards have them.
To my eyes, the 964 turbo is the most beautiful 911 ever built...
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Have cup 2 rims ever been an option for the 964? I have a going discussion with my buddies regarding this silly question. I hope you can answer it. Thank you.
The answer is No, they did however come on the 928 GTS, late 968 as optional and of course the 993.
IMO the second most beautiful Porsche ever created… right after the 3.2L Carrera version that preceded it
Where can I find the repair kit for the pocket in the door card??
I have a 1995 993 , When it came out Porsche said only 20% of the parts from the 964 are the same, Well when I need parts for my 993 most numbers start with #964 , I'm confused.
at 47:47 Nathan explains the proper way to close the "frunk" and warns against pressing on the Porsche crest, which I totally agree with... BUT, I'm curious how everyone deals with the inevitable finger smudges left each time you close the frunk. Do you keep a microfibre towel in the car to wipe your smudge away (which really should be sprayed with a quick detail product before wiping) and then put the towel IN the cabin (that towel really belongs in the frunk)? Anyone want to comment? @ntm4122 what's your trick for that?
Wayne, there is no perfect answer but yes I generally keep a microfiber cloth and travel size speed shine tucked in the drivers side door pocket for this, bird droppings, et al.
@@ntm4122 Thanks for the comments on how to close the front lid. I've been pushing on the crest on my 89 G model.
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Where's the best place or website to buy a 964?
Porsche built 63,762 964s and 68,000 plus 993s.
Will the 996 be the next 964, or always the red headed stepchild?
If you ever need anything for a 964. I have just about everything you could ever want times 200.
Can we get a Carrera 4 model history, Nathan?
Noted!
Thank you very much. A very informative video, clearly made by a true 964 enthusiast. It is a generation that should be loved and preserved as it is. It is too bad to see them being ruined by tuners to make them look like false 60s 911s made for some fake ass wannabe Porsche enthusiasts.
Mirage can transform backwards now.
I just wish I could get one... Sold my 991.2 and looking if anyone has a reasonably priced 964 coupe!
You can always give the PCA's Mart a try: mart.pca.org/ If you're not a PCA member already, you can sign up for our Test Drive program ($46), which gives you a one-year subscription to Panorama magazine and access to contact information in the Mart: www.pca.org/pca-test-drive
You have to pay the market price.
What kind of 991.2 did you have? I can’t imagine letting my c2 manual go even though I love the 964 and 993
@@obi-wankenobi7160 I had a Carrera T - carbon buckets, manual - great enthusiast spec.
@@PorscheClubofAmerica I am already a member - pickings are slim! My wife still has her Panamera but I am jealous that she now has the only Porsche in the household!
Plus it makes a hell of a transformer
Mirage!
Every American should be issued a 964
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loved the politically correct 964 review... appreciated it.
21:50 just kills me. Why in God's green earth, possibly with the exception of a full time race car or a vampire, would you not want a 911, or any sports car without a sunroof? This whole topic of sunroof delete is completely nonsense and imo devalues any car. My 82 911 SC has one but my 79 928 manual doesn't and I want to sell it and buy a manual with it.
First off he’s wrong that’s not a 91 targa and that’s not a 1994
These looked dated when I was in high school. 1991 92.
Not bullet proof in the slightest total and utter nightmare to own leaks oil like a sieve never ever again will I own a 964
No it Generation shift of car ppl! we are in our 30 now , and got cash to buy our times dream hot car