This Is Why Tommy Shelby Kicked Finn Shelby Out Of The Family
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2023
- Peaky Blinders Season 6 had arguably one of the biggest reveals in the series history, that being, that they had a traitor in their midst. In todays video, we look as the possible reasons to how and why Tommy Kicked Finn Shelby Out Of The Family!
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0:00 - Intro
0:22 - Finn Shelby
7:00 - Why Tommy Kicked Finn Out of The Family
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Finn was the only brother that didn’t fight in France, and it’s that that what made him different. In earlier series Tommy and Arthur spoke about that but neither of them seemed to realise the difference that would make to a boy growing up in that family. Then again Finn grew up after the family was becoming really powerful, so there was never the pressure to develop or die. So you’re right most of Finn’s problems are down to Tommy’s mismanagement (I never understood why he was allowed to grow up uneducated), though not all his fault as nobody else did anything either. But in the end Finn’s lack of backbone in carving out a place for himself in the organisation and willingness to live the easy life that did for him, in that sort of environment you have to earn your place and missing that point was what ultimately cost him.
John didn't fight in the war either
@@gustaf3811all 3 served in the war
Great write up mate!
@@gustaf3811John did fight in the war though.
@@gustaf3811 He did, he just doesn’t have PTSD from it and seems to have actually been proud of his service and enjoyed it, unlike his brothers.
The brothers were never going to fully respect him because he wasn’t in the war like they were.
I believe the movie will end with finn killing tommy because he doesn’t respect or fear finn …
@@Hawgdawgman you cant kill the devil. i believe michael was smarter than finn. but still tommy outsmarted michael in the end.
and forget about tommy. duke can takedown finn.
@@Hawgdawgman what movie? have you finished the series? lol. even if Finn manages to take Tommy's life, Duke will come for him. And Duke is the real heir of Tommy's empire. The Peaky Blinders would back Duke more than whatever Finn is.
@@peytonsmith1062 how have you watched peaky blinders & not heard of the rumored movie lol? Im saying it would be fitting for the movie to end with finn killing tommy because it would be a great twist. Just like omar getting killed in the wire by a little kid
The film is supposed to be during WW2. Maybe Finn goes off to war and comes back more mature and is able to redeem himself.
I always thought Tommy and his siblings failed Finn, they didn't teach him or have him grow the way they wanted, they kind of just let him grow into someone who was naïve
It was his own responsibility. He repeatedly prioritised his ego and comfort above family and honour. It is true that Finn could never live up to Tommy and Arthur's standards, as the latter had fought in France, which hardened their hearts.
Even said that finn didn't even care to learn their Romanian language
They protected him, then expected him to be up to speed with their lifestyle.
They also didn't teach Ada but she managed to become a powerful figure in peaky blinders inner circle.
@@cornelius6616lmao what? They wanted to shelter him from the life the whole time it was Finn who kept pushing himself into scenarios he didn’t have a lick of knowledge on. Finn caused Finn’s downfall and his actions got him exiled.
if Polly was still alive he could've just schooled Finn and also let Tommy keep Finn in the family. I believe Polly keeps the gang together
She absolutely did, she was the mother figure to all of them
Finn Killed Polly
@@ijustcomment3533the actress passing away ultimately killed polly. But i get what you mean.
The biggest problem I saw was that Finn wasn't cut from the same cloth as Tommy, Arthur, and John. All of Finn's older brothers fought in France. Not only did they all possess a soldier's discipline in following orders but they also had the instinct to kill and to keep a tight lip; all things Finn could never develop from the gangster lifestyle alone. Like the sons of mob bosses, he rode the coattails of success until he was handed a position in the inner circle due to john's death.
I hope they wrap up Finn in a satisfying way in the movie.
Hung
Isaiah is what Finn would have become if the Shelbys' took more risks with him. Isaiah wasn't to France, but he was quickly forged in battle and showed talent and instinct to making business. He obviously got rewarded for that and will eventually become Duke's second in command. While Finn was definitely settling, he was enabled to do so by the Peakys' who sheltered him from the life for too long
Isaiah wanted it. Finn didnt really want it. He didnt try very hard.
Isaiah was paying attention while he was coming up on John's coattails; Michael too. Even with Duke, you can see them intentionally learning the ropes & gaining wisdom. Finn never did. Then it turns out that hes not loyal...gotta go
@@dnycebushton5008Thing is, Finn did want it. The issue with the Shelby’s is that they think they’re too far above the wicked ways of the world they’ve lived. Finn clearly likes the life, and if he had been given time to actually be a proper gangster and grow the backbone, he would’ve been alright to go. But the brothers didn’t let Finn fly, he never got out the nest to grow, any attempt by Finn to form his own identity has been halted, all due to his family’s inability to recognized what got them to their current high status.
@@future7924 He wanted to be a gangster he just didn't want to do all that grimy unglorious shit that was required to be one thats his fatal flaw he wanted the reward without all the grinding it took to get there.
I detested what they did with Finn. I remember watching his character in the early years growing up, thinking what part he’ll play and we got… yeah. Easily my least favorite thing the writers have done in the show and a rare miss.
Yeah same my man
I feel like the show had a missed opportunity with Finn as a character. He could’ve been easily one of the best characters if written better he was in the gang life from the jump as a little kid and seen the life played out through his childhood. Unlike Arthur John and even tommy who had to get used to it. Honestly I always thought while watching peaky blinders that he would lead the gang after tommy became more a political leader John being dead and Arthur basically losing his mind, Him being a traitor honestly made no sense to me.
I agree, he had so much potential. He is very similar to Michael Corleone, the youngest brother etc etc.
I agree. I was dissapointed with all of the last season honestly. It just wasnt the same as the others.
It was such an awesome show that lm just not sure how you can end it in any way thats satisfying.....kind of like Sopranos. I dont know. Almost like opening bands for the main band. You cant have the opener band be better than the main band.....or something like that.
Curly and Fin are the only characters Tommy would baby.
Throughout the whole show starting from the grenade in the car scene, every scene where Arthur Pauly Ada or Jon would tell him to shut up or get out, Tommy would be like no it’s okay Fin have a seat have a drink etc.
I think Fin just got used to getting away with sh1t and thought Tommy would let him slide, n Tommy still let him slide.
I knew Fin was fvcked up when he got Arthur hooked on drugs, never liked him after that.
Polly insisted that Finn was kept out of the business until he was older. He wasn't hardened by the war unlike his 3 brothers, or a cold businessman like Michael so he always had a soft core to him. Even Duke was more like Tommy than Finn. Keeping him at the bookies, especially with the other guy close to him was a major risk to the family. Finn was the kid of the family who should have stuck to Ada.
Finn wasn't a traitor, he was the most careless member of the crew who easily let out information to strangers. He wasn't just built for the mob life.
@@PowerHubShorts Michael had the advantage of having served in WW2 and then his experience in Sicily. By the time he returned he was the most hardened of all his brothers and ready to end the conflict once and for all.
Finn is more like Fredo Corleone, the middle brother who takes advantage of his position but has no actual power due to his weak personality and reliance on an outsider (Moe Greene and later Hyman Roth) to prosper. He is the most foolish Corleone, easily swayed by praise and the glory of others.
While we're on the analogy, Tommy is a mix of Sonny,Tom and Michael with a drop of Vito. Arthur is more Sonny with a lethal dose of Luca Brasi and John was younger Michael mixed with Christopher from the Sopranos
Finn was more useful in Season 1 than he was in all of the seasons combined.
I kind of blame Arthur and Tommy and John for not training him to be tough and harden instead because he’s young he was manipulated and he chose a friend over his family and for not learning gypsylanguage
Or the rules of honor tradition from his family that’s the reason why he got kicked out and now he’s all alone with nobody
Yeah fair enough
It was Arthur that kicked Finn out the points are the same but Duke literally says this in Finns last scene.
A few more points would be when Arthur Shelby Sr dies, Tommy makes it clear that Finn was too young to remember him while he was an active member, the leader of the blinders, before the war. Finn has no knowledge of the pre-war business, was too young to go to war so never learned military discipline and rank, was never forced into getting used to seeing men die - "I got used to seeing men die. Never got used to seeing horses die" ~ Tommy. The three brothers are numb to it all. The most vital difference, to paraphrase Polly - "We Shelby's, we live somewhere between life and death, just waiting to move on." The brothers and Polly all had several near death experiences and see the remaining of their lives as nothing more than extra. Finn has no concept of it. He's just a normal kid trying to fit in with hardened military trained gangsters and was ultimately driven to the wrong decision by jealousy of Duke, quickly becoming John's replacement instead of him, and his own stupidity and ignorance.
Finn enjoyed the power and prestige of his last name, but didn't care about all of what it took to get it, and keep it. Lazy cunt didn't even learn Romani properly. Thats not on his brothers. Thats on him.
I think Finn should had been sent to college. He didnt quite fit in this type of violent enviroment. Even Ada said he should get an education. Perhaps he could had become a lawyer for the family haha maybe a similar future for what Tommy wanted his son Charlie to become.
Agreed, If they truly wanted Finn out of their business, they should've sent him to school and college early on. He could've develop into a Michael
Finn never seemed like a person that had the mentality to be in that family.
Great video Mate!
Thank you!
I think a loose script would be good just to keep yourself on track with the topics and any major points you might otherwise forget, but I feel like I can hear the script in your voice in the videos so maybe cutting loose is a good idea
Yeah that was my concern, I don't want to feel to "robotic" but I also don't want to sound lost. I like your idea of major points and conversationally talking around them! Thank You!
What should I search to see those deleted scenes?
@@niggasingh6478 czcams.com/video/HtVnSZEQTC0/video.html&ab_channel=IlyaneMuno Here you go mate!
Tommy fucked up with Finn by involving him in the family operations. Should have shipped him off to boarding school and university. It's not like Thomas doesn't know the mental, physical, and emotional toll that his type of life brings about so allowing Finn a life outside crime would have been the best strategy.
there are some deleted scenes of season 5 that can be found on youtube, in one of which Finn forgot who he was.
Yeah they are really interesting... I remember one where Finn yells at Isiah in Charlie's yard.
I can’t find them. Can u link the video pls?
@@panasheruswayi1561 czcams.com/video/HtVnSZEQTC0/video.html
@@panasheruswayi1561I have replied with the video link. If you can't see it then probably youtube automatically deleted it. If this is the case let me know.
@@zoedesvl4131 yea they deleted it. Thank u tho 👌🏾
True Sigma Thomas Michael Shelby. 🗿🗿
Im okay with how the writers handled Finn.
Finn was SOFT. Always was & thats okay. I think his brothers wouldve been okay with him not being in the "business".
He wasnt very "sharp"...he didnt pay attention. Isaiah paid attention, Duke is paying attention, Michael paid attention. I wouldnt be surprised if Isaiah knew more of the Romani lanuge than Finn.
He really didnt want it. So, now hes out. Makes sense to me
Very nice
Can you make a video about what was the relationship between Jessie Eden and Tommy
it’s quite simple as explained in s4/5
@@oggTemp I mean, I can understand how people could be confused. I'll definitely look into it!
nice video! but i kept waiting for you to coment the scene in the season 4 (after john's death) when finn, visibly disturbed, tells arthur that he isn't john. but i searched for this scene and found nothing, so i'm thinking that maybe i made-up this in my mind 😂 nonetheless, if this scene really exist, i think that's really important to show the intern struggle that finn went by in regard to the gangster lifestyle
Im not sure that ever happened lol... my memory might be lapsing. Thank you for the nice comments though!
Nah I remember a scene somewhat like what ur describing
its in season 4 ep 4 when artur is invited to go the the house of the mother of the man he killed while boxing in an earlier season
Actually, this happens when they thought it was gonna be ambushed, but it was actually Michael who is being targeted by ChangGreta also there’s probably sequences just keep watching, and then you’ll see fin, telling Arthur the exact same thing
@@afonsoalves7558yup. Its where Arthur wants to give him the flat where that lady used to live. Before arthur made her leave.
What if finn finally learned his lessons, and before the world war 2 begin, he created his own gang and start to spread his influence as to be feared and Ruthless gangster like when tommy is getting started?
That thumbnail looks like Finn with a facial
In short, Finn wanted all the glory benefits and positives of being a Shelby without wanting to do any of the actual work, then got too ahead of himself and started getting cocky
Not exactly, because awkwardly he did all the work asked of him several times. He slipped up once - and it was a big mistake, obviously, but Tommy, Arthur, John, even Polly - they all slipped up and admittedly have done MUCH worse mistakes in their times.
Tommy screwed up with the russians and got the entire family arrested, Polly to go cuckoo, Arthur to kill innocents civilians and he was only bailed up via political convictions.
Arthur literally screwed the family out of ton of money thrusting Arthur Sr. PLus, with the substance abuse later on he nearly started a war picking fights with people he shouldn't be fucking with.
John was so enraged with the idea of a peaky whore fucking an italian that he nearly caused a war with the italians, got Grace killed, and caused himself to get executed and the entire Italian plot to kill the Shelby family was his fault. Plus, it's because of this situation that Michael got the opportunity to betray the family with the US mafia.
Polly told the cleric guy that Tommy was planning to kill him, causing Tommy to get literally brain damaged and disabled for months.
Finn choosing to randomly shoot Isaiah and one of his childhood friends to protect a booker who kept abusing drugs and made scraps money while the family made tens of thousands felt barely sensical. It would've made more sense Isaiah to lie and trick Finn to get kicked out of the family, using Tommy's trust of him against Finns. Instead it's played out straight. I dunno.
He ended up just being a poser in a house of lions.
He was just to easy to play as he never quite grew out of being a cub
i hope duke just gives finn a bullet in the movie
💀💀
Finn was for sure the weakest in the PB family...He had oppurtinities to further himself,but lacked the ambition that Tommy was hoping for.
Lazy little prick never even learned Romani. Pretty telling.
exactly
did steven knight once said about a spin off focusing on finn during ww2?
He absolutely can be blamed. He doesn’t learn, listen, or own any mistakes. He wasn’t right for it from the start. Got what he had coming in the end.
Trying new things is always good, hope you’ve tried no script
3:00 he said "They took your brother" because they indeed have taken John's life.
Very nice Video Bro.
But did Finn really cause the death of bonnie? I thought that Jimmy and the Billy Boys killed him to demonstrate their Power and to force Tommy to share something of his cake. I don’t actually See the Connection to finn in this case. But youre the Peaky expert, maybe I‘m wrong 😅
Sorry, I meant Barnie... The sniper in the final two episodes!
@@PowerHubShorts Alright, now it‘s clear for me, hahaha. To think of barney makes me sad angain and again. He is lowkey the unluckiest fella in Peaky Blinders.
@@freezy9741 Yeah thats so true man! He suffered PTSD and then got killed. Peaky is full of tragic stories. Hope you enjoyed the video!
@@freezy9741Freddie Thorne dying before he and Ada could raise their son Karl together is worse than Barney's situation. Freddy Thorne says: Excuse me I'm the most unlucky member of Sergeant Major Thomas Shelby's unit. At least Barney died in battle against fascists. I died off screen from the %$%# Spanish Flu. I take offense to your comment.
@@RenaldyCalixte oh wow, of course its also a sad ending for him and his character. But in fact, he died on a desease and passed away before he could raise his son. Ben Younger also died before he could raise his son. Barney was chased by demons and got locked in for over 10 years without any sunlight or even using his hands. Until his former Serjeant Major Tommy Shelby freed him, just to sacrify Barney immediatly after he killed Mosely. He was finally free after all that time of suffering and than he got shot in his fckn back, while exicuting the last Mission for his Sergeant. For me he is by far the most unlucky character in Peaky. But net me add, he is not the only unlucky fella 😅
Tommy, Arthur and John fought a war that scarred them for life, they always wanted the family to "get clean". Away from being Gangsters to respectable businessmen. They let Finn grow up in accordance to that. He never was part of the Gangster Business. Then they just threw him in and expected him to swim
Finn's track record of mistakes started in 1x1 with that cigarette
Elon is that you?!
its nice to see the next generation of peaky blinders lineup
if it wasnt the year before ww2
i wish it was happened AFTER ww2
ada:
replacing tommy (working as a politician)
duke : replacing john
isiah: replacing arthur
charles: replacing johnny dogs 😂
Felt Finn had little to no characterization and his ending was equally lackluster
Finn is fredo version of peaky blinders
I like your written script.
"Don't ever take sides against the family"
I mean he was only in the show to show us how much time passed
Main leit-motiv of the entire program is the sort of hate for Finn since he didn’t have to fight in WWI
I hate how they treated Finn
This scene screams a Peaky Blinders spin-off. Duke is the next Tommy and Finn the next Arthur. Taking place just around or after WW2. I would imagine Finn experiencing War and the experience toughening him up. Duke continues the family Business but Finn wants the top job.
Finn could have been a fire antagonist
I didn’t love the writing choices with Finn, but something about him warming up to Billy felt compelling. The family was (relatively 🤔) loyal, but they just ignored the guy while giving him access to all the excesses of the lifestyle. He didn’t learn the language, he was just more vulnerable to being turned.
I prefer videos with a loose script. Have talking points made before hand and say whatever about the subject before moving on to the next.
Makes you wonder if finn would have beeb different jf john had lived,
Since he was closer to John and John had a softer heart
They were being good big brothers keeping him at arms length with the family business but just like any other younger brother would he wanted to fit in with his older brothers . In early seasons you can see Arthur and Tommy both “Sit down Finn” both literally and figuratively to keep him away . Tommy making him cut the guys eyes probably was a culture shock to him and since he hadn’t had the same amount of time/opportunity to learn the art of war and family secrecy he was doomed . Him being a made man shielded him from the chance somebody would manipulate him to get to the family . Poor guy probably didn’t know Billy was the reason Aberama Pol and the other soldier died , but he also made a bad judgement call trying to save the traitor who got his aunt killed . He got your aunt killed man . Can’t blame Tommy for him making that last bad decision when he had all the information .
We do have to remember this is based off realsim of the the real chracters. So its really disheartening to hear this how they fell out
Im hoping Finn getd to live a happy family lfie even if seprayed from the gsng
Michael mantled Thomas where fin simply followed him, Arthur and John were equal to Thomas, but his kid brother looked up to him and was rejected. I think Thomas was trying to save his brother but unfortunately used him as a pawn instead
It just completely summed up how garbage the final season was. The whole Michael vs tommy was the one storyline I hoped wouldn’t happen and then bringing in a new son for tommy was just pointless I’d of rather them write it so Finn made the right choice. Truly terrible season
They failed Finn completely and then blamed him for their failure. If they didn't want him in the business they could've sent him off for a proper education-- That never happened. Instead he was the younger brother always trying to be involved and told to sit down... til I was time to stand up on command. Arthur and John gave Michael a better run down against Polly's wishes. Finn never got that. He never got anything. He was just... there.
Please make an explanation video on their silly hairstyle as well.
You mean the fact that most of Peaky Blinders of those dumb haircut look like dicks or something actual dicks?
Arthur and Tommy have great hair
Finn exposed himself when he called Tommy by his name which he never did before, showing his lack of respect for him
Never could get into this show after season 2
"First true friend Finn had" well he's a true shit of a friend considering he got Finn's family killed. That never made any sense. Even out of self preservation Finn would have emptied the gun and killed him given the circumstances.
what happened to Finn was bad writing
I never liked Finn as a character. His actor just never did it for me and I always felt like any scene in which he was involved felt redundant
I never liked Finn as a character, i dont hope the Peaky movie will be about him because his revenge would be pathetic
The issue with Finn essentially plays the role of the spoiled son. He gets all the perks of being in the family. So he gets the fame, fortune etc, but he lacks leadership skills and judgment because unlike his brothers he didnt fight for anything. Finn never went through the struggles the rest of them had too. so when he feels like he's finally a boss he becomes reckless. He runs his mouth too much, trusts practically anyone and uses all the luxury of the business.
So it makes sense they kicked him out. The only problem is that they let a bitter openly trusting finn who knows all their secrets out into the world. This means tommys enemys will use him to take down the shelbys while he's gone.
I am so not up to date, still in season 4. Can't believe Finn ruined everything
People are saying that the show did Finn dirty, or they didn't know what to do with him is stupid.
Finn precisely played the role he was meant to have.
Michael played the role of the lad who had ambition to be the next Tommy Shelby.
Finn played the role of the lad who merely enjoyed the privilege of being a Shelby.
Lastly, it's not that he wasn't "raised right" by his brothers, when it fits the clear narrative of how bad of a father they are.
It'd make 0 sense if they'd raise Finn right, while being absent fathers to their own children.
How about everyone that leads to John and graces death also goes into exile. Cuz that was not finn. Different rules for different soldiers.
Finn wasn't sent on exile because of him leading to Polly's death, both Tommy and arthur knew that was a mistake but Finn was sent to exile because when they gave him the chance to fix that mistake and kill Billy he decided to shoot another family member.
Truth be told, the last two seasons were dreadful.
Why exile and not just take him out?
Do you think Finn and Billy were gay lovers or is it more accurate to accept that they were just best friends?
Can't two guys just be best friends? 😂😂😂
@@everythingwonderfullyim this case man i wouldnt be surprised, my man chose billy over his whole family dude
@@shreihals9314his whole family just told him to kill his best friend but didn't tell him why
People in the comments protecting Finn. It's ridiculous.
What happens to Michael was truly tragical, that one was wasted potential. Finn never had any potential to begin with.
Finn is better off. He's just a normal boy who didn't go through hell.
Arthur:stop telling billy about the family business
Finn within the next 20 minutes:billy theyre going to kill a politician THAT Mosley guy go into town get yourself a girl and stay close to a radio (gives billy money)
Billy:calls the IRA to not only kill polly pollys husband and Tommys old comrade that he literally JUST broke out of the asylum for the job 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ from that moment on I hated em he got a total of Three characters killed n Arthur almost died that night as well
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I didn't even watch the video. Who was confused? He chose friend over family. Done. He's out. Not sure what you spent 12 minutes going on about.
This whole thing is crap I'm a car
Season 6 is just awfull destroys the show i was so excited for it and then very disappointed this duke dude was absolutely unnecessary
Finn is a immature child, annoying
What was good? The fighting?... ok. Sure, the choreography wasn't that bad, but far from good.
What was the saving plot point? Weak and unexplained Thrawn with zero backstory, nor reason to fear him as "blue data" does nothing.
The 30 minute runtime of a penultimate episode of the season? Open plot points that lack any logic, especially that hilariously inept court scene.... there is no evidence of the testimonial experiences... Especially of the space whales... despite a starship, that had a very close encounter with everything spoken of, that's docked right there... with hundreds, maybe even thousands of eyewitnesses, nevermind the entire officer corp, fully capable of affirming the entire experience.... but that takes highschool writing to acknowledge... So... There's no evidence at all, of the "unbelievably fictitious claims".... Right. Excellent storytelling.
Since when does the Star Wars universe NOT have star maps? Voice and/or video recording? How is civilizations in a galaxy capable of faster than light travel....NOT REALIZE that there's other galaxies?
Why did Thrawn go back to precisely where his sworn enemies left him, instead of going to the Empire Remnants location? Why then did he send a handful of troopers to "delay" when completely eradication from atmospheric bombardment was one button away?
It's so stupid. All of it.
Drinking "memberberry" Kool aid is just self-chosen ignorance.
Finn was useless
Finn is the youngest brother of every family that the parents over cared for and the siblings bullied. It’s sad.
What I never liked about the last season is that Duke basically comes out of nowhere. And at first he is just a swift pickpocket with a big mouth and a troubled relationship with his new familiy, but suddenly he is this super committed Peaky Blinder and a cold blooded killer.