Damn it was a fast one, thank you tastosis for a good time. Not every match can be a barnburner. I hope Jaedong takes this knowledge and comes back 10 times as strong. I will always love the old Gods. Jaedong, flash, stork, bisu, etc. You guys have made everyones life more brilliant with your play. Thank you for your perseverence.
Artosis "It's like magnets" Tasteless "Yeah... How do those work..?" Bro I haven't laughed that hard at such an old reference in so long. I love you guys.
@@bramo1825 that line (miracles in general, but especially that line) was a pretty massive meme like, a decade ago, i haven't thought about it in ages, really caught me off guard, i laughed good
Some advice that I'm taking straight from old TotalBiscuit VODs, add some dead space buffer to the end of the video, like just silent blank screen, for like an hour plus. Means for series like this a viewer can't intuit the winner based on the current score and remaining runtime. Cuz while I respect the intention down to the ground, it's hard to buy into the casters hyping up a reverse sweep when i can see less that half an hour left in the video.
I may be wrong, but I think Hero was putting scourge in the control group with the mutalisks then using A+click on the JD's topmost mutalisk. The scourge will continue to fly after the mutalisk attack and finish off the targeted mutalisk. Might be able to see this at 57:20.
This has been a wild season with most of my favorite players getting eliminated early on but I'm so glad we are 100% safe from getting ZvZ finals. I was very scared when I saw we had so many zergs in RO.8
Whew, that last match was one hell of a dramatic ZvZ! So many amazing little plays from both players across the matches; only wish there could've been more of them.
I... suppose I shouldn't be entirely surprised at the outcome of this particular series. What I didn't expect was just how horrifically one-sided the whole affair was. Jesus.
@@Lykyk Oh, and you are such a good person looking out for all those others (not yourself, naturally) who can't be bothered to watch the games instead of browsing the comment section? So selfless of you.
So little was said during that pre-match interview that it actually looped all the way back around to being amusing; both players basically getting asked the same question and politely saying "Pass" over and over.
I feel like JD was too impatient in the last attack in g3. He was only ahead by 3 red mutas, this doesn't advantage enough for a cross map attack. Tasteless was bang on in recommending he lay back and macro while his surplus mutas recover.
Artosis mentioned the old 6 pool build, and I was thinking the same thing. These days, you see 4 and 5 pools (depending on the map and matchup), 7 pools (very rarely), and 9 pools (as a standard build), but you never see 6 or 8 pools. But in the early days, the 6 pool rush was a pretty common opening. I wonder if that went away because map designs changed or if it was just always a bad build from the start.
@@utarian7 I used a despoiler addon before but it is really annoying for all other videos and I watch youtube on many different devices and addons like that dont work in the app.
@@utarian7 and then you forget to turn it on one time or the video shows up in your recommended unexpectedly or whatever when you are watching other videos with it off. It is not a very practical or good solution in practice for me and how I use youtube unfortunately.
Don't confuse tournament winnings with net winnings. Because tournament winnings doesn't account for the buyin amounts. Example: if i win a $10 tournament for $100 my tournament winnings are $100 but my net winnings (profit) would be $90.
Is there any way to watch these without seeing the length of the VOD? I try to avoid it looking at it but it's kind of hard to, I hate realising which way a series has gone after the first game because I know there's not enough time for a reverse sweep
Third-party browser extensions can hide the video duration and progress bar. Some searchable examples would be "Firefox anti spoiler for videos" or "Chrome hide video duration". Some can be configured to use keywords, but I just toggle the extension icon before I load the video. There are additional extensions to customise or filter youtube's video recommendations to hide spoilers. I'm not an authority on browsers or extensions, I hope you can figure it out.
Did Tasteless say Jaedong dominated for 14 years, until he switched to SC2? If I remember correctly Jaedong did not emerge as the dominant Zerg until the downfall of Savior at the hands of Bisu and FirebatHero, which was around 2007
Might have meant to say four, that would fit the 2007->end of kespa BW. Or if he was thinking how its 14 years ago Jaedong was at top or 14 years since he emerged and stayed relative in BW/SC2 for many years.
Reminder for people to block the other ASL english youtube channel temporarily if you don't want spoilers showing up on your feed in the coming weeks. Nothing against those guys at all, but if you watch tastosis their videos WILL show up and spoil RO.4
The ZvZ’s are so interesting. Some of the Muta and scourge engagements are weird. It seems like one Z has the upper hand and then the other Z ends up on top. I hope Artosis can dissect this game one day and explain to us how some of those engagements ended up so lopsided. Crazy stuff.
One of the main things I noticed was Jaedong kept finding himself in all-in muta on muta fights and herO kept reinforcing with scourge at the perfect moment. It honestly felt like JD just completely misread the muta battles. I actually thought his micro was fine in them but herO always had more. For example in that final game I have NO idea why JD was pushing across the map(regarding the mutalisks). I'm pretty sure Artosis even said earlier in that game that pushing across the map when your builds are very even with muta's is a mistake (because of defenders advantage) and JD promptly pushed across the map and lost the muta battle.
@@dogboneman69 yes makes sense. I rewatched it a bit, and I think the other key play was the scourge micro of her0. That may have made the biggest difference. JD is a bonjwa but her0 is just on another level these days.
Didn't watch you for a long time. Always takes ages (literally 1week+) for you to cast the games. I'm already waiting for RO4 since what feels like a week. But you've not even finished RO8. Kudos to your fans, who are very loyal. Me can't sit still that long, while scan/nyoken already uploaded a good cast, too. they did it immediately.
Yeah, nail-biting games, but... SPOILER it is a good thing next VOD is gonna be in a day or two. I'm really sad and don't even wat to watch anymore ASL right now. Jaedong said in some interview that this is the last season he's gonna try as hard. So there's probably no chance to see him in the finals ever again. No offense to the modern players like herO, but the they just don't have the star power like the greats of the old days like JD and Bisu and Flash and Savior and Boxer. Not to mention imo ZvZ is the worst match up where everything can turn on a dime or be decided on a build order in the first 2 seconds. Oh, well. Here's to Mind or Best getting the trophy.
GG you guys should run the vod for another hour or so after quick games like that so we dont know who won Keep us guessing. :) thanks for your continued casting of great games though
Sad noises... at least... Spoiler warning . . . JD got through to the round of 8... i was hoping for at least that, but still i wished he could have gotten to the round of 4, seeing him so close yet so far makes me sad because i fear he won't be competing in ASL for much longer... and JD is and was always one of my top 4 favorite players to watch next to stork, flash, and Bisu
The interview at the beginning was very confusing didn't understand the dialog at all :O She would ask a question and they would answer in a completely different way
And this is why most people don’t like a ZvZ finals. The games are just too damn short. Don’t get me wrong I love and appreciate the micro battles. But it just doesn’t quite scratch the itch since games are usually less than 10 minutes
I think the reason JD won that muta battle was because he sent that zergling to counter attack and herO had to focus on the other side of the map as well
Does anyone know the outro song? It feels so out of place like it's a church song, but it's kinda growing on me because it's so uplifting and positive.
When I saw that this whole video was just over an hour, I thought one of two things: either we're going to see some ling rush connect or somebody is going to go 3-0. Fantastic playing from JD though.
Hello Tastosis. I'm a Patreon donator. I really like your content, but I'll let you know that much that I'll definitely stop donating if you don't start to speed it along a little. Otherwise would be stupid innit? I mean the next match Soulkey vs JyJ was like a week ago. I mean, if i lay my hat somewhere, that's my home. Know what i mean? Don't mind me cockney accent
Quite the contrast between this and Best vs Action lol. Doesn't ZvZ make organising these events terribly difficult? Like.. If you're an event organizer and you book out a massive venue for a final for a whole day, then it turns out it's ZvZ...
i think that in the final game the fight that jd won at his nat turned out like that because his scourge were hitting hero's mutas in pairs and hero's scourge split in to several different mutas and his mutas didnt target those mutas. though im not 100% sure. and the final fight might have gone the other the other way because several of jd's mutas were already damaged and hero had more scourge
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Damn it was a fast one, thank you tastosis for a good time. Not every match can be a barnburner. I hope Jaedong takes this knowledge and comes back 10 times as strong. I will always love the old Gods. Jaedong, flash, stork, bisu, etc. You guys have made everyones life more brilliant with your play. Thank you for your perseverence.
JD said this is the last season he will be trying to seriously win ASL, I believe.
JD is done, just stop pitting him in zvz constantly, very gambly match
THE LEGEND Elky putting on his shades was the most epic moment of this series.
Yes! at 29:13
Artosis "It's like magnets"
Tasteless "Yeah... How do those work..?"
Bro I haven't laughed that hard at such an old reference in so long. I love you guys.
What it the reference? Would like to know, I didn't understood when he answer this.
@@DjAtmaWeapon ICP's miracles. was a pretty big meme for a while, i lol'd
Damn that ended so freaking quick, can't wait for next ep!
yeah, try to not look at the video length
The commentary about the muta fights being like magnets and how do they even work...I love Tastosis 🤣
Yeah i believe that was an ICP reference
@@FreestyleFlame huh never would have caught that...I've actively avoided ever listening to them.
@@FreestyleFlame Or SNL making fun of ICP
@@bramo1825 that line (miracles in general, but especially that line) was a pretty massive meme like, a decade ago, i haven't thought about it in ages, really caught me off guard, i laughed good
Some advice that I'm taking straight from old TotalBiscuit VODs, add some dead space buffer to the end of the video, like just silent blank screen, for like an hour plus. Means for series like this a viewer can't intuit the winner based on the current score and remaining runtime. Cuz while I respect the intention down to the ground, it's hard to buy into the casters hyping up a reverse sweep when i can see less that half an hour left in the video.
As CZcams tracks how many percent of the video was watched, having dead space at the end will kill the video for the sake of the Algorithm.
@@HasekuraIsunanot if everyone commits to watching it
😂
@@detrockcity3 ?
I may be wrong, but I think Hero was putting scourge in the control group with the mutalisks then using A+click on the JD's topmost mutalisk. The scourge will continue to fly after the mutalisk attack and finish off the targeted mutalisk. Might be able to see this at 57:20.
Checks video: Only 1 hour?
Realizes its ZvZ: Oh.
No anti spoiler extension?
@@FW2FThere are extensions for Android apps?
@@HasekuraIsuna no, i meant manually by pressing enter repeatedely
This has been a wild season with most of my favorite players getting eliminated early on but I'm so glad we are 100% safe from getting ZvZ finals. I was very scared when I saw we had so many zergs in RO.8
Yeah that’s always a dreadful ending.
When Jaedong said "I'll see you in the interview", I jaedonged all over the room.
ugh i came
Best part of the match was when Jaedong looked straight into the camera and said, "It's dongin' time."
Whew, that last match was one hell of a dramatic ZvZ! So many amazing little plays from both players across the matches; only wish there could've been more of them.
It always struck me how a ZvZ series can be shorter than a movie, while the same series in TvT can last an entire evening.
GG Hero!
I was a little bummed to see JD getting knocked out so fast like that but I was still very impressed by his skill!
Yay! Z v Z = 1h video haha oh my... my favourite race, two of my favourite players and just 1 hour to watch. Hope it's gonna be amazing!
Ahhh good Ol’ ZvZ. Where the breaks between games are longer than the games themselves.
I... suppose I shouldn't be entirely surprised at the outcome of this particular series. What I didn't expect was just how horrifically one-sided the whole affair was.
Jesus.
It's one of the things I hate most about ZvZ. Mutas are too impactful, the game might as well be called the minute one side has more.
Zerg won every game. So OP!
Mutas rly are something else.
Had different hopes for this, but the winner deserved the win.
Damn I am so sad I wanted him to win
You might think this isn't a spoiler, but it is.
@@Lykyk You might think reading comments before watching and then complaining about "spoilers" is something smart people do, but it is not.
@@fredhurst2528
I didn't, others will.
You sound like a bad person.
@@Lykyk Oh, and you are such a good person looking out for all those others (not yourself, naturally) who can't be bothered to watch the games instead of browsing the comment section? So selfless of you.
Interesting builds.. I think everyone was hoping this to last longer
Tastosis casts give purpose to my otherwise meaningless existence
🤣🤣
Life always has meaning since we always have Jesus.
@@michaelcallisto ufff
Hahaha, you are a beast!
i'm fine being a pawn in nestea's dream
So little was said during that pre-match interview that it actually looped all the way back around to being amusing; both players basically getting asked the same question and politely saying "Pass" over and over.
I feel like JD was too impatient in the last attack in g3. He was only ahead by 3 red mutas, this doesn't advantage enough for a cross map attack. Tasteless was bang on in recommending he lay back and macro while his surplus mutas recover.
Agreed. Too aggressive.
Artosis mentioned the old 6 pool build, and I was thinking the same thing. These days, you see 4 and 5 pools (depending on the map and matchup), 7 pools (very rarely), and 9 pools (as a standard build), but you never see 6 or 8 pools. But in the early days, the 6 pool rush was a pretty common opening. I wonder if that went away because map designs changed or if it was just always a bad build from the start.
Definitely bummed at the outcome, but I can't fault the winner, he simply outclassed here.
OK I am a HUGE JAEDONG fanboy but congrats to hero for closing it out. He is a strong competitor. I am still a JAEDONG fan FIGHTING!!!
Hero played with a chip on his shoulder. JD played with old man hands
45:40 Artosis "Dont lose all hope yet" -Lol we saw the lenght of the video ,we know differently.
Yeah, they should add anti-spoiler padding in the end...
CZcams Despoiler add on for brave.
@@utarian7 I used a despoiler addon before but it is really annoying for all other videos and I watch youtube on many different devices and addons like that dont work in the app.
@@dutubsucks You can enable/disable with three clicks.
@@utarian7 and then you forget to turn it on one time or the video shows up in your recommended unexpectedly or whatever when you are watching other videos with it off.
It is not a very practical or good solution in practice for me and how I use youtube unfortunately.
Elky has won $13.5m fom poker wtf that's crazy.
Yellow is also doing pretty good, won big tournament like a year or 2 ago.
Don't confuse tournament winnings with net winnings. Because tournament winnings doesn't account for the buyin amounts.
Example: if i win a $10 tournament for $100 my tournament winnings are $100 but my net winnings (profit) would be $90.
Would love to see them add extra time to these videos to avoid spoiling how long it goes for
I started the vod, got up to make breakfast. It was over by the time I came back, lmao
Damn it. Damn it. Damn it.
Is there any way to watch these without seeing the length of the VOD? I try to avoid it looking at it but it's kind of hard to, I hate realising which way a series has gone after the first game because I know there's not enough time for a reverse sweep
Agreed
Wonder if there's a plug in for browsers.... I doubt Google will implement anything that hides video length
Third-party browser extensions can hide the video duration and progress bar. Some searchable examples would be "Firefox anti spoiler for videos" or "Chrome hide video duration". Some can be configured to use keywords, but I just toggle the extension icon before I load the video. There are additional extensions to customise or filter youtube's video recommendations to hide spoilers.
I'm not an authority on browsers or extensions, I hope you can figure it out.
In the old days of klazart and violetak, etc. they used to add filler to lengthen the videos.
@@W77W excellent, thanks
Did Tasteless say Jaedong dominated for 14 years, until he switched to SC2? If I remember correctly Jaedong did not emerge as the dominant Zerg until the downfall of Savior at the hands of Bisu and FirebatHero, which was around 2007
Tasteless definitely got the time wrong
Might have meant to say four, that would fit the 2007->end of kespa BW. Or if he was thinking how its 14 years ago Jaedong was at top or 14 years since he emerged and stayed relative in BW/SC2 for many years.
don't trust anything tasteless says.
Reminder for people to block the other ASL english youtube channel temporarily if you don't want spoilers showing up on your feed in the coming weeks. Nothing against those guys at all, but if you watch tastosis their videos WILL show up and spoil RO.4
The shortest interview for the shortest matchup lmao
Edit: Artosis, the Mini vs Best match was shorter! By about 14 minutes
The muta fights always go badly for the attacker. With even muta counts, the defender replenishes scourge more quickly, and they all arrive together.
This and Her0's 2nd base strategy > JD's single base strategy.
ZvZ is like this: See match duration, watch who wins first match, leave the video assuming who won. Be correct on assumption in the next round :/
THE INTRO IS SO DAMN GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
YES! tastosis heed my words, soon my life is in order and i will be able to support you finally. KEEP IT UP!
The ZvZ’s are so interesting. Some of the Muta and scourge engagements are weird. It seems like one Z has the upper hand and then the other Z ends up on top. I hope Artosis can dissect this game one day and explain to us how some of those engagements ended up so lopsided. Crazy stuff.
One of the main things I noticed was Jaedong kept finding himself in all-in muta on muta fights and herO kept reinforcing with scourge at the perfect moment. It honestly felt like JD just completely misread the muta battles. I actually thought his micro was fine in them but herO always had more. For example in that final game I have NO idea why JD was pushing across the map(regarding the mutalisks). I'm pretty sure Artosis even said earlier in that game that pushing across the map when your builds are very even with muta's is a mistake (because of defenders advantage) and JD promptly pushed across the map and lost the muta battle.
@@dogboneman69 yes makes sense. I rewatched it a bit, and I think the other key play was the scourge micro of her0. That may have made the biggest difference. JD is a bonjwa but her0 is just on another level these days.
@@danielkurzyna7394 Agreed!
Didn't watch you for a long time. Always takes ages (literally 1week+) for you to cast the games. I'm already waiting for RO4 since what feels like a week. But you've not even finished RO8. Kudos to your fans, who are very loyal. Me can't sit still that long, while scan/nyoken already uploaded a good cast, too. they did it immediately.
When I saw the time I knew what would happen to JD
It was the scourge in the control group that won all those fights.
Always glad to see more matches!
Yeah, nail-biting games, but...
SPOILER
it is a good thing next VOD is gonna be in a day or two. I'm really sad and don't even wat to watch anymore ASL right now. Jaedong said in some interview that this is the last season he's gonna try as hard. So there's probably no chance to see him in the finals ever again. No offense to the modern players like herO, but the they just don't have the star power like the greats of the old days like JD and Bisu and Flash and Savior and Boxer. Not to mention imo ZvZ is the worst match up where everything can turn on a dime or be decided on a build order in the first 2 seconds. Oh, well. Here's to Mind or Best getting the trophy.
Elky showed up!
GG you guys should run the vod for another hour or so after quick games like that so we dont know who won Keep us guessing. :) thanks for your continued casting of great games though
JD smashes 5 scourges to kill one Muta, Hero carefully uses two at a time to inflict maximum damage. This is most apparent in Game 3
12:00 are those matrix plugs being covered on JD neck lulz
I hope the winner goes on to win the tournament :')
That's a mighty quiet studio
JD in the round of 8, gotta love it!
I havent watched the games yet. From the USA, JAEJONG FIGHTING!!!!! ⚔⚔
8:13
24:27
Jaedong always seems nervous/uneasy, which doesn't help.
Definitely! He looked like he was going to throw up during the interview. Was really pale too
Really wish they would stop showing supply. Thanks for the upload!
Sad noises... at least...
Spoiler warning
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JD got through to the round of 8... i was hoping for at least that, but still i wished he could have gotten to the round of 4, seeing him so close yet so far makes me sad because i fear he won't be competing in ASL for much longer... and JD is and was always one of my top 4 favorite players to watch next to stork, flash, and Bisu
hurry up with match 4 already
Wow... I finally saw a pro microing workers on minerals.. it was only like 3 of them though, and not done well.
The interview at the beginning was very confusing didn't understand the dialog at all :O She would ask a question and they would answer in a completely different way
And this is why most people don’t like a ZvZ finals. The games are just too damn short.
Don’t get me wrong I love and appreciate the micro battles. But it just doesn’t quite scratch the itch since games are usually less than 10 minutes
I wish I could enjoy zerg vs zerg
Same here. Zed vee Zed is terrible
Thanks Tasteless. 😊👍
I think the reason JD won that muta battle was because he sent that zergling to counter attack and herO had to focus on the other side of the map as well
Damn, quick set and not the result I wanted, oh well, got it next season! >:0
There were some real hero mutas in these games!
Does anyone know the outro song? It feels so out of place like it's a church song, but it's kinda growing on me because it's so uplifting and positive.
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Come On and Sing (feat. Silas Clay) - Leroy Wild
oh my god 1 hour vod... let's hope it's just because ZvZ and not a 3-0 stomp
Weird. I was thinking about that Insane Clown Posse song earlier today o_0
Right on time!
Jaedong please!!!!!! 🙏
I think Hero’s mutas were just so damaged that JD could micro to a victory in that fight.
Please like the video! It does much to support the guys! Keep BW alive! Just click Like! Or thumbs up… W/E.
When I saw that this whole video was just over an hour, I thought one of two things: either we're going to see some ling rush connect or somebody is going to go 3-0.
Fantastic playing from JD though.
praying for as few mirror matchups as possible
Sadd, but can't say im surprised
Im sure the pros know, but I dont. Why dont they make Spores in ZvZ and like go a different tech rout?
I just can’t stand Z vs Z. I wanted Hero to win too but god, there’s just so much RNG.
Hello Tastosis. I'm a Patreon donator. I really like your content, but I'll let you know that much that I'll definitely stop donating if you don't start to speed it along a little. Otherwise would be stupid innit? I mean the next match Soulkey vs JyJ was like a week ago. I mean, if i lay my hat somewhere, that's my home. Know what i mean? Don't mind me cockney accent
Quite the contrast between this and Best vs Action lol. Doesn't ZvZ make organising these events terribly difficult? Like.. If you're an event organizer and you book out a massive venue for a final for a whole day, then it turns out it's ZvZ...
29:18 Oh heck it's Jason Mo next to Elky. xD
can anyone tell me what is the song at the end starting 1:13:16
No spoilers but damn 😢
spoiler:
If JYJ beats soulkey I think JYJ would also barely beat hero but if soulkey beats JYJ then I think hero would beat soulkey
i love zed v zed, ok it's moota / ling / scourge like 99%of the time, but it's the most volatile matchup
still better than that Mini versus Best round of 8 match
Well . . . Uh . . . Not much to say . . . Uh . . . Oh, wait, I got something: "I'm looking forward to JyJ vs. Soulkey!"
These ASL VODS get more views than the GSL VODS... But Afreeca cancelled it because foreigners don't like Brood War?!
That's correct. GSL is much more popular with foreigners than ASL
@@eurapeon soo all the views come from koreans?
Now that's a ZvZ video length.
Wanted JD to win so badly but hero was the better player better luck next time JD
Hero getting more gas than JD every single game was too much
Are those scars on JD's neck?
I think they're medical plaster, might be to ease pain on neck/shoulders?
This was not what I wanted from a JD match :(
thx u
Hero mindgamed the F out of JD. Sadness a bit cuz JD nostalgia :(
Elky!!!
14:22 game1
32:13 game 2
49:37 game 3
Everytime i see JD lose its ZvZ Muta Fights. ZvZ the worst mirror in any RTS games ever.
When you open up a one hour best of 5 and before watching you know…someone got clapped
Well... I guess we can all be thankful the final won't be to be ZvZ. Don't understand how some of those engagements turned out.
i think that in the final game the fight that jd won at his nat turned out like that because his scourge were hitting hero's mutas in pairs and hero's scourge split in to several different mutas and his mutas didnt target those mutas. though im not 100% sure. and the final fight might have gone the other the other way because several of jd's mutas were already damaged and hero had more scourge
It was all about scourge hits. Look again, closely.
Go JD! Win it all!
OK HEAR ME OUT HERE.. HOW ABOUT 3 ASL SEASONS A YEAR?