Pad EQ | How To Make Roland Drums Sound Better
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- Learn how to make Roland drums sound better by effective use of Pad EQ. Apply these EQ tips for electronic drums (kick, snare, toms, cymbals) on your V-drums module to improve Roland sounds!
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I am very new to this but I have realised that the kits that are supplied by Roland in their modules are a blank canvas and you have to modify them to achieve an even more realistic sound ,if you make no changes you are doing yourself no favours and probably find yourself using 3 or 4 of the kits out of the 60 kits as in my case in your module because of the drab sound from the factory kits ,I have been playing. For 40 years I am 62 and have just sold all my acoustic kits I kept 2 snares and a pair of hi hats my vad 503 kit I added extra cymbals and purchased some of your kits online now I have at least 30 kits which I am proud to use I just recently quit working full time and now I practice 2 hours a day some off the 400 plus songs in the set lists for the 2 bands I am permanently a member off your channel has been extremely helpful, I did not realise the amount of effort required to have a great Ekit but it is so worth it nobody in the audience believes that my kit is electric
Awesome, Bravo
I used the eq recommendations you suggested and it really woke up my snare and kick. Good stuff!
Honestly the most useful, straight-to-the-point video I've seen on the in-built Roland 3-Band EQs. Can't wait for future videos! As someone who doesn't really know a lot about Mixing, Sound and Audio Production, endlessly adjusting individual settings until you find something that suits your needs can be daunting and tiring. This provides a good base-line that eliminated some of the most common issues with Roland sounds. Love it!
Thank you for the kind words! That's what I was hoping for with this video, happy to help!
Thanks! These modules are so deep with features, thanks for explaining some of them. I wish Roland would invest time in more how to's for their drums, like they are currently doing for the fantom/jupiter keyboards.
Ah, this was a life saver, thank you. These settings are like adding salt, pepper, and some smoked paprika to your cooking. So much fuller sounds, especially for the bass drum and snare. Bass drum literally goes from robotic, to being able to hear the drum head resonate.
I haven't updated yet for fear of my computer ignorance, but a friend is gonna help me soon. Look forward to getting some of your kits also.
Great stuff, you really have to get in there on these kits and modify, they wake up the sounds, especially using samples. You’re sample packs are fire, I can’t wait to hear the next one.
Great job. Especially for a guy like me that hates to read manuals. Keep these vids coming!
Awesome! Thank you, you saved my life, I couldn't figure it out what to do to get a better sound!
Luke I applied these exact settings. To me the Kick drum sounds just like a well mic’d drum. I love it! The toms sound like real drums. Snare drum sounds terrific! All I have to do is mess with the mic settings.
Awesome, glad you like how they sound now!
This run through on how to set EQ levels has been really useful for my Roland acoustic V-Drum kit. The levels 'out of the box' for all the pads, cymbals and kick base were all over the place. The TD-27 sound module's menu is pretty intuitive. It now sounds way better.
Man, this is some seriously useful and helpful content. Nothing more and nothing less. I followed along while sitting at my TD17 and already can notice a world of difference. Thanks for all your videos and your work in the e-drum ecosystem. It’s really needed and I hope you’re being compensated well for your thoughtful expertise.
Thank you, really glad you've already found it to be useful in practice! The channel's still reasonably store so the main support comes from the store but I'm happy with how that's going!
The eDrum Workshop glad to hear it. Been thinking about picking up some of your packs. Also, I watched your sensitivity video but still haven’t been able to dial in my kit perfectly. Any recommendations for a jazz style drummer? EXP1 is *almost* perfect but it’s tough to get ghost notes and normal hits sounding as intended. any tips? Spline is okay but for large hits it’s excruciatingly loud. Appreciate any advice.
It's really difficult to recommend settings as everyone plays differently and what "feels" like the right response to you might not to me. If EXP1 gets you close, the closest other setting to this curve is EXP2 - it's the same kind of curve but keeps the ghost notes down comparatively (EXP1 takes a while to go from ghost to loud, 2 takes even longer). I'm not sure why Spline would become any louder than other settings at the top velocities as it's not meant to affect the volume of the samples, just the response of the samples. But it does make a very dramatic jump between velocities, kinda kills the mid-range dynamics completely. Don't think I've ever used that curve myself.
I don't play jazz and the LOG1 curve often works best for my style as it brings the ghost note dynamics up a bit more - they go from super quiet to medium faster, then the dynamics taper off towards the top. So it depends how you're expecting the transition from quiet to loud to go, really.
Apologies, had to edit that as I got EXP1 and 2 mixed up for a minute!
The eDrum Workshop dude. Just tested out LOG1 and it’s perfect. I don’t know why I always skipped over it. Thanks again for taking the time to respond
Do you have any videos/tips on pad sensitivity? For example the PDX-100 toms on my TD27 trigger quite loud even with the lightest of taps and means hitting a long crescendo is difficult.
I agree. Have fully grasped transient either
I have been searching for this information for a year!!!!!!! Thank yoooooooou
Wow! Really good stuff here! I will have a go at some of these tips.
Nice tutorial for all the Roland drummers out there! Nice job...
Thanks John!
Excellent video. I didn't know a thing but with hours tweaking the kits instead of playing paid off . Learned a lot n now have confirmation my ears are pretty good at finding the unpleasant frequencies. I lost a great fat kit trying to copy it. Other than that it's all been good. I will be waiting for the transient video. I haven't fully grasped that.Thanks.
I'm glad the video helped! The Transient video is already out, here's the link - czcams.com/video/m6nIm7Nlh1w/video.html
Yeah, great sound design tips. Just got mine and have been HEAVily customizing all the factory kits. And making ones with custom samples. For such an amazing module Roland really managed to make some boring (and simply weird) kits. Like Bottle? Who’s gonna use that? Even their kits near the bottom aren’t that strong. Thanks for the tips!
This was awesome! Love the sound out of the snare now! Thank you!!
Holy cow!!! This video is a game changer for my kit! Thank you!!!
This is great! I’m about two weeks into my new TD-17 and loving it. Thanks for all the videos. I’ll be buying some kits 👍
Thanks. Our drummer Dave is appreciative of the difference ive helped make. Now to figure out the other settings!
This video helped so much!
Yup! I've purchased the kits and less hassle to setup and more time to play. The StarEncore kit really sounds great. I have a Tama Jam Club converted to Electric, and the TCJ Bob sounds exactly the same!
Thank you so much for your support with the purchase, I'm really glad you're enjoying the kits 🙏
Thank you for this! Great vid. I would LOVE to see a video like this for the Alesis Strike Pro!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Unfortunately I don't have an Alesis Strike module to do such a tutorial. I would imagine that many of these tips would also work on the Strike, but it might be best to start with smaller gain tweaks in case the sounds are more sensitive to it!
Few of the td17 kits cymbal sounds at max level are not loud enough, so this was helpful right off the start with the db increase section, im gonna start there..
As always great video with very helpful information. I made sure to hit like and save into my favorites so I can use as a helpful reminder/cheat sheet when I need to do some EQ work with kits. Will definitely recommend to anyone who asks about what EQ does and how to get best sounds out of their custom Roland Kits. For my Roland td-11 kit I wrote down all the EQ settings from Vexpressions apex settings pack I bought from them. 80% of the time those EQ settings would help my custom kits for that module
Just saw the video and it is great. Is there a sheet I can download with the settings
Really useful stuff, thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Thank you !!! 🙂
Brilliant vid, I’ve always been reluctant to interfere with the EQ settings but I will now try some subtle changes where I think they may make a difference 👍🎵🎶
Thank you!
Sincerely, Some meathead who doesn’t know anything about electronic drums, mixing, EQ, etc. who bought an electronic drum kit.
Hey thanks so much for an enlightening and educating tutorial. I've been using Roland V-Drums for 12 years now and I've never tweaked these EQ settings and normally would purchase settings from VEXpressions. But you've provided me the knowledge to do it myself.
I bet I could apply the same EQ ideas to the Roland Handsonic HPD-20, because it also has a 3-band EQ.
Thank-you, will have a good go at that .. honoured to be hooked up with the Sonic Boom Six drummer. Just in case this helps, I'm presently trying to work out how to make the ride bell (only) louder. I know, rtfm.
Hey John. Thanks again for the kind words! If you want to adjust the volume of only one zone on a Roland module, hit the "H&R" button so that it becomes transparent. This turns off the "head and rim link", then hit the zone you want to adjust and change the volume. You'll see that it now only adjusts on that single zone rather than all zones of the pad together.
Good stuff! It would be nice if you can do a video on how to use the effects like chorus,flanger,phasers etc etc. on the Td17
I'm planning similar videos to this one across various features, MFX should be one of them! Stay tuned!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop awesome! I watch everything you put out! I am going to buy all of your kits for the td17 but I was reading where I may have to install update 1.02 I carry my kit in the sleeper of my 18wheeler so it’s somewhat hard to find WiFi I can get close to
Ah brilliant, if you do get chance to purchase any kits, I hope you enjoy them! Yes, that applies for The eDW Originals Studio, the other two will work on 1.01. You would need an internet connection to download the kits files too so I guess it would be best to do all of it together!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop yes I think so too. I have v expression kits which to me are not for me and I have the drumtech which are good but your kits have the things I like. Like the pop and the ring in your snare drums and the studio kits and the compression kits. Just wished I had found your channel before I wasted all that money on the others. Keep up the awesome work and useful content.
As you say CHEERS!
Good stuff dude. Utilizing the full extent of the single path on your module is the only way to get these things sounding decent, that and a proper calibration of each pad.
Here are some things I have learned along the way in regards to EQing may be helpful:
1. Be mindful of what else may be downstream. The compressors on these modules for example come after the EQ, so depending on if that is activated and what that may be set at, your EQing may be fighting against that.
2. When filtering/cutting frequencies it may be helpful to start with a 6db or so boost with a wide Q band. You then sweep to find the range that holds the most offensive frequencies. After that, narrow the Q width while sweeping until your are only boosting the frequencies range you would like to cut. Then you cut that shit! :)
3. A-B often. Basically turn your EQ or whatever off and on to see if you're actually doing anything good.
This all makes for good ear training too.
I look forward to your Transient section video. Roland's way of processing the sounds ADSR probably has the most effect on making some good sounds IMO.
This is literally the most underrated channel in the world
Wow, thank you!
Fantastic video! Does this need to be done for each kit? Or are these settings globally.
I just set up my TD27 kit. Please tell me how to get into my eq settings to make the proper settings you recommend.
This is a great video. Thank you.
This was the most informative guide to getter better sounds off the TD17
All the suggested settings did the trick. I now have a better understanding of EQ
My question is the settings on Tuning where it shows key to head. How does this effect the sound. Should I set at 0
Thank you! 🙏 The Tuning changes the pitch of the drum. If you turn the Tuning up it will become higher pitched and sound "tighter", turning it down will make it lower pitched and sound "looser". If you like how it sounds already when you select the instrument, leave it as it is!
Just watch out for any kits that are using a SUB instrument layer - the Tuning button menu will only affect the "main" layer of the instrument. You'll need to go into the SUB instrument menu to change the Tuning of that layer too. Depending on the instrument, the Tuning parameter might become one named Pitch instead which is pretty much the same but the increments between the numbers might be a bit different. Hope that helps!
Great video Luke! Thanks for share with us your work.
Thanks! Really helped me a lot.
Just came across your video. Thanks for the tips on the EQ! Definitely a difference make. I am new to the electric drum world. Just got a Roland VAD306 with a TD-17. Good stuff here!
I'm really glad it's helped. Enjoy your new kit!
Amazing stuff mate! Ive been doing similar stuff on my td17 but always needed that extra bit of clarity and understanding. Can't wait for more
exactly what I was looking for, and your drums sound amazing!
Very good! 🙌
Thankyou Thankyou for your video BIG HELP!
Amazingly helpful video. Thanx
This is a deep topic, great job explaining...
Thanks Steve!
Great tutorial. Appreciate all of the work that you guys do.
I chance the eq settings base on your videos, and it totally change my kit, so much better.
I am still not happy with the sound of the crossticks on my roland td07, too much steel sound, any advice will be appreciated, i did not find something about that in your videos.
Thanks for your channel
Great tips! keep it up
This video is great
Really awesome EQ tips man. Thanks
Thank you!
Super Tipps...great ✌👍👍👍
I have the TD27, and digital snare, and I've been struggling to find a way to make that super high ting happen like playing reggae music when you hit the snare head and rim as close to the edge as possible.
It's like a high pitched ringing if you tighten the snare head up nice and tight around where yer crotch area is on an acoustic snare...lol
Wack that rim shot to make it sing like a bell almost.
But I just can't find a nice high pitched sound or if it's even possible on edrums yet....
I definitely get lost in the settings, and I hit so much stuff trying to get what I want, that I just give up and try a new setting and User patch numbers, for example: 81-82 - 83- 84 are unusable now, because unless I go and do a master reset on my module to get those channels back to where they were they're pretty unusable.
I don't know how to reset them again....lol
Most are just the snares that are just stuck in crazy world and I don't know how to just reset the snare back to user 82 settings as they were.
It's a bit too much of a maze for me honestly.
Anywho, if anyone knows if this is even possible to keep trying, let me know.
I'm running out of presets....lol
I don't know if I'm just chasing a dream or if I'm just not capable of knowing how to do it in the settings.
Thanks !!!
Have a great day !
:-)
Great video! I purchased a used CY-5 that I would like to setup as a splash in my TD-27 module. Can you recommend settings to get a great sounding 10" splash cymbal? TIA
Hey Luke! Thanks for the great overview on tweaking sounds. I am looking for the best settings for “live” playing vs recording. If the preset kits that you have tweaked have some great kits for live playing situations (ie. church) for purchase, I am definitely interested. My church is using a TD-27. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks!
Hi Jeffrey! It's difficult to determine the "best" settings for live use - all PA systems are different, every room is different and what sounds great at one gig might sound weird or even awful at another. This is why I don't specifically market any of the kits I sell on the store as "for gigs" or as "live kits" - there are too many variables to make that kind of guarantee. That said, many of my kits should translate well to a PA with a few simple tweaks as I always test them through my own and I believe that the samples I use often helps cut well on loudspeakers.
I include notes for live usage in the ReadMe PDFs I provide with the kits, but generally speaking it's a case of turning off the ambience settings on the kit, and maybe turning down the levels of the "Overheads" function so that the modelled room is less "forward" in the sound. Basically, the more you can do to make the kit sound dry, the better is should translate to a PA. From there, you may still need to tweak the EQ depending on the PA, but if you have a decent engineer it probably won't take a lot. If you are using the direct outputs it should be even easier. The muffling options can help too if you have any excessive resonances. I have some kits in The eDW Originals Premium pack that are already dry and should work well for this.
I recently made a video about setting up a kit for a stand-in drummer and I used the TD-27 module and a tweaked preset from the Premium pack. I explained the changes that I made, so it's probably worth a watch - czcams.com/video/BFPnPLVdQOo/video.html
I hope that helps shed some light on the matter and guide you towards your goal. I'll probably try and make a video specifically on this topic again soon as I think it's something that people struggle with!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop
Fantastic! Thanks for the info. It’s been so long since I’ve used electronic versus acoustic drums so I wanted to be sure to dial-in what I needed. I appreciate your time and information and look forward to talking with you again as I venture down this new path. Have a great weekend!
Great vid. My only question is which sample are you using for your snare? Is it your own or are you using one of the kit standard snares?
What's an EQ? Seriously ridiculous how many settings there are, I'm kidding about EQ though. I hope I can get the kit sounding and feeling just right, wish me luck 🤞🏼.
Great video, so moral of the story cut the mids. Poor mids keep getting cut out of Slap bass tuning, electronic drum tuning and most car stereos.
Pretty much haha! The exact region differs I guess, but the mids are pretty harsh on a lot of Roland sounds!
I’m a studio recording engineer of 20-years AND I’m a lifelong drummer, and I’ll tell you with no hesitation that he’s got it exactly right in EVERY instance here. 👍👍
Yes, it’s better to subtract than to add whenever possible - just as he said.
Yes, always remember that adding EQ makes the instrument louder - just as he said.
The only problem that he didn’t mention is that scooping the boxy frequency out of the toms will make them sound smaller on small playback systems, because those systems usually cannot reproduce much of the lower frequencies that will be remaining on your toms. So it ends up sounding like you’ve just made them sound thinner and smaller….on small playback speakers and systems.
Solution = There isn’t one. It’s a trade-off. As a drummer myself this has always bugged me, but that’s compromise for you…🤷♂️
So just keep that in mind when you tweak your Tom sounds’ EQ. Find a balance between “I like this tone” and “it won’t work against me on small speakers”.
Often the solution is just making your EQ cut smaller than you’d ideally want. That way the tone is still closer to what you want, but won’t be too skinny sounding on small speakers. 👍👍
Thank you 🙏 Great point! If you're using these kits for videos or recordings that anyone might listen to on potentially any speakers, you definitely need to consider this!
Thanks for the video great job. How do I add a Tom 4 pad to my td27. There’s only one kit in the module that actually has fourth Tom assigned to it. This is my first electronic drum set and Yep, I’m lost. The manual wasn’t helpful at all. Thanks again
Salut et merci pour vos conseils .
Savez vous comment retirer l’effet réverbération qui est à mon goût trop présent sur le module td 17 v2 peu importe le kit .
Je n’ai pas trouvé dans l’option réverbération l’option pour le retirer complètement.
J’aimerais un son plus sec …
Merci à vous en tous cas
Bye
Love your vid. Thing is I just about to start using a Bose L1 with the kit and I just can’t get the snare sounding like a snare. Sounds more like a hiss with a thud. Any ideas?
RSQ warning! Do you have/recommend upgrades drum sounds for TD11? Or just buy a TD17 module?
Great stuff, very useful! I have a question that no-one seems to be able to answer- on a lot of the cymbals on TD-27 module, when you hit the bow gently, you get one sound, but when hitting harder the pitch increases. Same effect even with bow sensor turned off. With everything on, still get a doppler / peeow effect and pitch increase when hitting harder. Something to do with the samples that are triggered with edge switch and bow sensor I think?
I’m getting a weird thing when I lift my foot off the hihat it changes the pitch of the snare!
Also getting double triggering from the hihats!
Can you explain the master EQ not separate interments EQ but overall? EQ i have a TD50KV2
Thankyou as always for your videos. I have one question for the td 27 module.. Lets say I managed to create a good snare sound on e.g. user kit 70, and I need that exact snare sound on another kit. Is there any way I can save that particular sound and use it somewhere else? Thanks and keep up the good work.
I've got you covered with this copy menu tutorial! -
czcams.com/video/1b4faWD-DWY/video.html
The only thing to keep in mind is that even though you'll copy all of the pad/layer/EQ/compression etc settings, if the Overhead and Room ambiences are very different between the two kits, you might still get a slightly different result. Otherwise though, that will get you what you need!
Luke for me the compression menu is a little daunting. Are there any videos u have providing some tips on compression settings and how to use the master compressor in the td27?
Hi Steve. Unfortunately I haven't got a video about compression yet. It was planned back when I created this video but it fell by the wayside. I hope to still make it but I'm not sure when that would be.
If you have any of my kits (or third party kits from other vendors), the simplest thing would be to check how compression is used on those. If you don't, have a flick through the stock kits and see if any use compression that you could experiment with. Or you could create a new kit and just go wild with the settings and see what happens! It's quite difficult to explain things clearly over a CZcams comment as there are a lot of things to learn. I'll try to get round to the video as soon as I can! 😵💫
Hello from Colombia great stuff dude, I own a td12 i have tweak it to my linkin but can you make and sale a custom kit for me?
Hello! Thanks for watching! Unfortunately, I don't have a TD-12 module, so I'm not able to develop custom kits for it. Sorry about that :(
I have a TD 25 KV kit but unfortunately you cannot split the triggers on the TD 25 so I am using a TD 17 KV brain on a TD 25 kit so I can split the triggers so on my two front Tom triggers I have made the rims of the two front Tom’s the low and high conga sound, now the downside to this is those condos are not cutting through so will me raising the gain In the EQ setting? I’m going to attempt this tonight playing live and we will see but I played Wednesday live and you could not hear them through the PA at all although I could hear them in my ears in my in your monitors just fine.
Just got y mitis on a secondhand td30 ,clearly the guy who had it must of been tripping and every drum has been played with , should i just factory reset or just my own drum sounds on the Empty programs ? all the best Jeremy
It's entirely up to you! If you want to hear what the factory kits were like and you're not interested in the previous owner's edits, you may as well factory reset. You could still then make your own kits in either the empty kit slots or overwrite the factory ones you don't like/use.
i've followed the EQ settings here but when i record on myy daw the volume is really soft. not sure if i screwed up somewhere. plls send help
Roland td4 has nothing for any of this lol. Think i might have to pay more for one as it sounds shite atm 😔
Is this at all possible on a TD9 in any way, shape or form?
Hey man I cant figure out how to change the EQ setting on my backing output to my phones - speech on drumeo tutorials sound a bit muffled and echoey coming in through MX In, are you able ti pount me in the right direction?
Hey! I don't recall there being a Mix In EQ control on any Roland module. If you're running into an "echoey" sound, that makes me think it could be a cable issue. Are you using a TRS cable?
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks for replying mate. No you're right there isn't one. I am using a TRS cable but it's old and cheap so will try replacing that. Cheers 🤘
Are these Pad EQ settings per kit or do they apply to all the kits on the module?
Pad EQ is a per kit setting, yes.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks!
Do you have master eq on aswel???
Hi. Auny
advine for Hihat EQ? Best regards
As I said in the video, I grouped hi-hats together with the other cymbals and gave advice for their characteristics rather than each type because all cymbals can be quite different.
got any sheet music for that vid opening beat? sounds nasty af
Glad you liked it! Unfortunately not though, I don't really read or transcribe music. Sorry about that!
Is eq for vh-14 HH any different than your other cymbals?
It shouldn't be, no!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop is there a way to DM you? We are the owner’s off WARM AUDIO.
Yeah ok but what roland drums are you actually playing here? Which TD number and which preset?
TD-50 (old version) from what I remember, with custom presets that I made for the video.
Anyone know where these settings are on a td 25
Looking at the manual, I don't think the TD-25 has Pad EQ, unfortunately.
hi! what did you use to record your sound on this video? thanks
Straight out of the master outputs of the modules into 2 inputs on my Focusrite 18i20 interface.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop thank you so much! im having a problem how to get an a good audio with my roland td-17.
Would this work for a TD-15?
I think the TD-15 only has a kit/master EQ setting, not "pad EQ" for individual drums/cymbals, so I don't think this will help. I will have a video about the "master" settings like kit compression, EQ and Multi FX, so look out for that in the future!
What kit are you adjusting on?
The module that you see me adjusting throughout most of the video is the Roland TD-50.
I have the Roland 506 kit with the TD 27. In my opinion there are only a few kits that are actualy useable, that was after a great deal of tweeking and re eqing. Now I have the one kit that sounds brilliant and that will be the only one I need, just like haveing a real acoustic kit. All the I have to say very silly sounds that are the majority of the kits that will never get used are just a waste of space. The rock kit for instance, sounds nothing like any rock kit I have ever come accross in all my years of live eneneering. I have mixed lots of drummers from Art Blakey to Bill Breauford. I am trully supprised at the very poor sounds on the Roland and many other makes. It has taken me hours and housr to clear out the crap.
This is why in iss tjenowral mimic pro be.csise Roland sounds suck never. changed just.like zildjianncymbals
Unfortunately you could do all the eq ing available it won’t change the shitty sounds in Roland modules!
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Compression and EQ … never seperate them
Going to fast I will never get, I will need to read about it
Improve Roland sounds, put it away and buy a Pearl Mimic Pro 😂
Heard no difference or very little.
Lol tune your ears. There’s huge difference
nice they really dont sound that good out the box ,very flat dead sound imo
This is very, very helpful!! would like it in dutch or german, we also play a lot Roland...
TD 17 KVX😎